What is Trevor Lawrence worth?
 

I think this kid is the next "generational" QB along with Mahomes....albeit different playing styles. I really hope he gets drafted to the NFC.

His highlight reel...in which he's a freshman, is pretty fantastic. To play like that, a year removed from high school,...yikes.

What is he worth in draft capital?...hypothetically, if the #1 (drafting) team just chose a top QB the year before?

Two entire drafts? 3-4 first round picks?

What would Mahomes go for...if teams knew he was a 50 TD QB?

A generational QB can define your franchise....for like 15 years.

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Dude is definitely impressive...very Mahomes-ish...

Bout tree fitty

I think he’s a great prospect, but it’s just so hard to tell how good a college QB really is when they’re surrounded by NFL talent and have all day to throw.

This.

Mahomes had a bunch of scrubs at Tech, plus a terrible defense.

he's worth one twitter tard and one piece of shit.

Dude obviously has skills though. Wonder what his football IQ is. Better than half the battle is in the brains...

Deez nuts

He's going to be the one player most affected by the looming strike/lockout.

Imagine being in his shoes your shot to be #1 and boom no football.

He’s good but he’s also on an insanely talented team. Nothing I’ve seen from Lawrence is as impressive as Mahomes vs LSU.

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I actually started to write about Mahomes and the LSU game as a perfect example of what I was getting at, but I decided not to. Thanks for making a good point that I should’ve included.

His value is off the charts. It's so rare these days to have a can't miss qb prospect who's nfl ready from day 1. I mean, how many have we had in the past decade? Andrew luck. Arguably Jameis (that hasn't really come true yet).

He had a lot of talent around him. But so does every Alabama qb. What's more impressive is the stuff that lots of college qbs don't do. Looking off defenders, going through progressions, making changes at the LOS...and this dude isn't even old enough to be drafted.

Assuming he can keep it up, of course...

except he doesnt play for alabama...

He's a generational talent

I just hope the Donks don’t realize Lock isn’t it until after Lawrence is drafted.

Chargers broncos and raiders are all thirsty as hell for a QB. If I’m them, considering Mahomes is in the West, I do anything I can to make it happen.

Broncos won’t because Elway just got Lock and will sit him.

Chargers are loaded elsewhere with young talent - they should try hard but it will cost them a fortune since they are a fringe playoff team.

Raiders will be picking top 15 and have a need, plus they are jerking off for anyone who went to Clemson. I could see them going all in.

Hopefully, though, it’s someone random from the NFC like Tampa Bay or Detroit.

If somehow the Chargers got him, that wouldn't be ideal for the Chiefs at all.

I've never seen that before. Amazing. That's shades of the left handed Bronco game from last year.

Can you imagine what Mahomes could do if we get a respectable facsimile of the offensive line* Trent Green had to play with for him? Good lord.












*yes, I know we aren't going to find two future Hall of Famers and a couple of perennial All-Pros for our line, I'm just saying.

I dunno man, our line is pretty damn good as constructed. There's an argument that if the C spot is ok, it's a top 5 ish line in the NFL.

Obviously it's not early 2000's though.

Best possible situation is that QB-needy team from the NFC is picking first. They won’t trade the pick.

Worst situation - outside of a division rival picking at #1 - is an NFC team with a young QB they’ve invested in picking first, because they would entertain offers and would look to AFC teams first.

You always want to win for sure, but if a situation came up like the Chargers were in with all the good players they have and Rivers just falls off the cliff, wouldn't you entertain just tanking and trying to get the kid?

Let's pump the brakes a tad. Not saying Lawrence is going to go all RGIII in the league, but let's see what he does when some bottom feeding shitass NFL team takes him #1 overall, and he doesn't have an overload of talent at every position playing with him every Sunday like he enjoys now in college. And I say that as someone that thinks the kid is a bona fide badass in the NCAA game.

Good thing there’s almost no chance that happens lol.

Sure, he has alot of talent around him, but it's not like he's just relying on that and making a few throws per game.

Dude was throwing legit NFL throws left and right.

He's good.

Yeah, I didn't mean for that to sound as critical of our current line as it did. Those Vermeil era o-lines just raised the bar a couple of miles, so that comparison probably isn't fair.

The whole "he's got so much talent around him" thing is always weird to me. Ok, so he won't have NFL talent around him in the actual NFL?

Pretty much.

It's like comparing defenses to the 85 bears. If thats what the bar is, you aren't getting there. Those Chiefs OL's were just unreal.

Agreed, again. Some of those throws in the championship games were just ridiculously good. Like, undefendably good.

Let him go to the Redskins or Falcons or some NFC team.

I woulnd't mind him in the AFC if it's in a different division. Would be cool to have our own little Manning Brady thing going in the playoffs.

I'm hoping thats what Watson and Mahomes get going but i dunno.

Yea and he’ll be playing against NFL talent also.

That’s not the case in CFB just about every week when you’re playing for Clemson. This isn’t that complicated, but like usual you’re lost.

The playing field will be WAY more level in the NFL. How may times in a season does Clemson go against teams with Clemson-like talent?

We won't know until he gets into the league, but I'm just hesitant to call a sophomore college player a future "generational talent".

So in the natty this year, Alabama didn’t have a lot of nfl talent in that d?

Great minds, staylor

I don’t have a problem with saying generational talent, he is that talented.

But we’ve seen those types of talents flame out before once they get to the league

He seems to have a good head on his shoulders but I also think it’s way to early to say either way and it’s ok to just let it play out

The point is that Alabama has a ton of talent and has had shit qbs for years. Lots of CFB teams are loaded with talent. Very few shine like Lawrence did.

Only guys that play for the Chiefs or could potentially play for them are good. You should know this by now.

One game. Watson looked great against Bama twice too. Clemson is the one team that has the talent to match up with Bama.

I said he was a great QB prospect. Im just simply pointing out that it’s hard to tell just how good he actually is when he plays on the best team in the country.

It's almost like the kid wasnt an elite talent in high school too.

“Mahomes played on a stacked offense so it’s hard to tell how good he really is”

Obviously that’s not true though, we know that

Yea that’s it. I’m saying Lawrence isn’t good :rolleyes:

Butt****ing moron

Ummm that’s in the NFL and he threw for 5,000 yards and 50 TD’s. False equivalency.

Take your prozac. It will be entertaining to see the gymnastics you will do if the Raiders tank and draft the kid.

DON'T GO OFFERIN NO LOCH NESS MONSTAH NO TEE FIDDY!

There won’t be any “gymnastics”. I’d say they got a great QB prospect, but ours is better.

Mahomes is so ****ing nasty. Good God, we are lucky to have this guy in red, white, and gold.

Watson has also been good in the nfl though.

At this point I think Lawrence is a better prospect than those two were at the same point in their collegiate career.
Long way to go though

But we're not talking about a system qb. Or a guy like Watson who by and large used superior athleticism. What's driving rave reviews is the things he does that most bcs bowl qbs don't do. Lots of those guys have loaded supporting casts, sometimes nfl level physical talent. It's not like his players were bailing him out or that he was constantly locking onto his primary read.

It reminds me of luck in college. He had an NFL oline. Not a terribly difficult conference. But we just saw him mentally process the game like an actual NFL qb. There's no guarantee he stays this good. But he's clearly stood out as something special in a decade where that doesn't happen much for a college qb

But we all know Watson isn’t going to be as good as people thought.

I agree that Lawrence is a better prospect. I literally called him a “great” one.

I don’t know why simply saying it’s tough to gauge just how good a guy that’s played one year on the best team in college football really is means I’m being unreasonable.

I never said anything about the system. I’m talking about the talent around him. Stanford and Clemson aren’t even remotely comparable.

One of the biggest deal breakers for me when evaluating a QB is how they do under pressure and facing adversity.

Until we actually see him under pressure and facing adversity, it’s hard to tell how great he is.

He's been good for a long time...

"His sophomore year to his senior year, Lawrence led the Purple Hurricanes to 41 straight victories, winning two state championships and four region titles."

He starts, mid-season, as a freshmen, in a big-time college program. He sets the record for TDs by a freshman in only 11 games. 30 TDs vs. 4 INTs. Wins national title...

He's about as close to a "sure thing" as you are going to get....he's making some NFL-level throws already. Probably the best prospect since Luck (2011)...so when he's drafted, in a decade. That's generational...of course he can flop....but I dont see it.

I would still rather have Mahomes...he's a much more entertaining QB to watch....but that wasn't the point of the thread.

If KC didnt have PM...I would be begging them to tank for Lawrence.

[QUOTE=Bowser;14296407]I've never seen that before. Amazing. That's shades of the left handed Bronco game from last year.

Me either that was freaking AWESOME

LMAO

It’s absolutely useless to look at HS when evaluating a QB.

Probably Mayfield and Mahomes more than Watson.

Thank GOD we don't have to watch out defense chase him around for an entire game. Damn that has to be SOOOOO FRUSTRATING!

You realize you're walking into the same exact argument people have used to rip down mahomes, right? Goff and mahomes both are surrounded by talent. It isn't hard to see the major difference in how they're winning. And anyone who's actually seen mahomes play knows it's not just about his supporting cast. Sure, we gotta see how he does in pressure situations, but he was also dominant on the biggest stage possible. There's always something with college qbs. Too easy, too difficult, too much talent, couldn't carry a bad offense, couldn't carry a bad defense.... At some point you have to trust your eyes. Without a doubt assuming no severe regression he's the best qb prospect since Andrew luck (prospect... Based on what we saw out of college...)

Not when he duplicates his performance out of the gate...I guess Clemson just throws darts when recruiting.

Dumb comment...

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Comparing that to Mahomes doing in in the NFL against the Pats (2x), Ravens, and Chargers (2x) is completely different.

Have we seen Lawrence under consistent pressure and facing adversity? No.

I’ve already said he was a great QB prospect. I don’t understand why this is so hard for some of you to get.

He hasn't lost in 52 straight games....going back to HS. Jesus...that's insane.

He's as good of a prospect as any but he's proven nothing. Watson did the same shit at Clemson and he's not a generational talent.

How many college qbs do? It's a system built around lots of poor competition often capped with a boring bowl game. Most qbs are out of playoff contention by the end of the first month. Do you really think Eli showed his ability to work under pressure? Did Andrew luck really have signature big games? Of course we'll need a larger sample size, but when you're talking "can't miss" qb prospects, you can't wait for the absolute flawless qb.

This reminds me of the Parcells rules. The reason it's failed miserably the past decade. If you put too many rules in place you stop trusting your eyes. Lawrence has popped off the page in ways guys like Haskins and soon to be Tua haven't. These guys also had outstanding supporting casts.

Simple ones too.

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Apologies for annoying you, esteemed college QB whisperer.

That's...….I don't know the word for that.

Thrashing an outstanding Alabama team is certainly not nothing. If Watson and Lawrence did the same shit, then why was Watson not top 10 where Lawrence is already considered a #1 pick even if he was drafted this year. Clearly most people can see that they won in very different ways. Not even close to the same shit.

Chiefs get Miami’s 1st overall pick, next years 2nd and 2021s 2nd + Devonte Parker

Dolphins get Mahomes.

huh?

Have you never heard that line before?
Where someone says "Great minds think alike." and another person says "so do simple ones".

No slit meant. Just a funny line.

I see that you have your narrative. That means you're not willing to accept other points of view without bias. It's always the same with you. You really should just post and then debate / argue with yourself. It will save all of us a lot of time. :shrug:

Ken Dorsey.

Dude, you still don’t get it. I said he’s a great QB prospect. He should and will be the #1 pick in 2021. Why do you continue to act like I’m saying he’s not good or he’s going to fail? How many times do I have to say this before it gets through your head?

And no, most cfb QB’s deal with more pressure and adversity with less talent than he did last year. This isn’t even debatable.

Look at Mahomes vs. LSU. That game told me more about Mahomes than any of the rest. It was by far his most impressive despite it being a blowout loss and not his best game statistically by any means.

I was fully on board with him despite not seeing that game until after we drafted him. I didn’t watch any of his sophomore tape so I had no idea it existed. If I watched it before the draft, I would’ve been pounding the table that much harder.

LMAO @ the irony of you calling anybody simple minded.

****ing idiot.

Anyone that isn't blind can see Lawrence is a MUCH better NFL prospect. I mean c'mon!

I'm confused about what my narrative is

And literally nobody in this thread said he wasn’t the better prospect.

Seriously, do some of you lack even elementary school level reading comprehension?

Anyone comparing Watson to Lawrence hasn’t watched them play. They are completely different QB’s. The only thing they have in common is that they both play(ed) for Clemson.

It is like comparing Jamal Charles to Christian Okoye because Chiefs

Very accurate, smart quarterback. Confident, hard worker, supposedly good character. Poised.

Extremely rare

“But he’s too skinny!” Lol. Dude is already fast, by the time he gets to the NFL he’ll be pretty big. The man will be a monster. And the Broncos and Chargers won’t get him. Their rosters are way too talented to drop to the #1 pick in 2021. And believe me, nobody’s trading out of 1.1

And if the Raiders get him...well what, are you guys afraid of a good old AFC West shootout? I’m not. Because we’ve got the baddest mofo in the valley on our side

Without a blue-chip QB, your franchise is essentially doomed. You might get lucky for a year with a top defense but that isn't sustainable.

So if you're a GM of a meddling franchise...Tampa, Titans, Bengals, Raiders, Bills, Broncos ..or a franchise with an aging star...Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, Saints. What is a "sure thing" prospect like Lawrence worth (initially cheap labor) for the next 10-15 years? 4 first round picks? Would Brady have been worth that? Rodgers? Is Mahomes?

If you hit on him...he could generate over a billion dollars for that franchise/city over the course of his career. Do you think the NFL Draft comes to KC without Mahomes?

I think there is going to be an unprecedented amount of interest to land him...it's just the nature of the current QB-driven NFL. The have and the have nots.

He's a white, blonde, 6-6 QB phenom...

I was referring to this...is pretty ambiguous...

"At this point I think Lawrence is a better prospect than those two were at the same point in their collegiate career.
Long way to go though"[/QUOTE]

He said "he thinks but there's a long ways to go" .Well IMOP it's pretty obvious and already cut and dry. Lawrence is light years ahead of where Watson was at this point. Hell you could put them on the same team RIGHT NOW and Lawrence would have more success. Dude has a rocket-arm and is a prototypical NFL QB. Watson's an amazing athlete that tries to play QB. I wasn't taking any shots at anyone personally so I don't see why all the animosity is necessary.

NO WAY

He’s just trolling