Which CB, other than PP, is Veach going to trade for?
 

It seems very probable that Veach is going to trade for a CB before the season starts.

Who do you think is a realistic option and Veach is going to trade for? Who would you prefer?

I would think a trade with the Vikings is likely as they look to have 5 starting CBs on their roster right now. So Rhodes? Waynes?

I'm actually pretty excited about that defense. There is only the CB position to sort out really.

I know it's been discussed some in the PP thread by the way.

Josh Norman isn’t happy in Washington. Has chemistry with Fuller. Past his prime but a realistic option, I think.

A former 1st or 2nd rnd pick who got injured and then lost his starting spot with a new coaching regime change.

prophet

Rhodes would be my preference

I'd actually be OK with that. He might be most willing to do either a discounted long term deal or much more likely a very short term deal where we overpay but have an easy exit.

This is one of those positions where id rather find a stopgap until we groom our own.

Obligatory Jack Schitt

Someone from the Vikings (Tre Waynes probably) to help them free up cap space.

None ****ing stop with the stupid trade ideas

Another Scandrick or Amerson type signing is more likely. Gotta hope for zero injuries at corner, would hate to see Mike Williams go off for another 3 td performance on our secondary again.

I like how Rhodes is being mentioned like he’s just a throwaway piece in a trade. He’s a top 10 CB that we would have no chance at getting lmao.

Breeland, Fuller and Ward. Thornhill, HB, Lucas, Sorenson. I'm probably forgetting somebody. CP may not agree but I think the Chiefs are ready to roll with what they got unless something just falls into their lap. I don't see them actively trying to trade talent away to get another DB.

There is like zero chance Veach doesn't trade for a CB IMO.

Right now the CB situation has the potential to just ruin the defense.

Fuller is good.

Breeland you hope he can stay healthy and then hope he can be good. That guy was signed for cheaper than Jason "made of glass" Verrett. Think about that for a second.

Ward looks like he could be decent but that's again hoping.

Keenan Allen as far as I'm concerned is absolutely right laughing at that group of CBs.

Now you add a good one and it looks like a solid group.

He was a 10 CB before having a bad season last year and he is now 29 years old.

Veach went into last season with first Amerson and then Scandrick as his answer at cornerback. He refused to make a trade at the deadline and has avoided drafting any cornerbacks outside of some Gamble's at the end of the draft. Why exactly is it a guarantee that he'll do any different this year?

Hopefully Ward is legit and/or Mark Fields is a hidden gem, because what we have is likely it. I hope I'm wrong.

I doubt that Veach trades for a CB. We will most likely pickup someone that gets cut.

Is his contract expiring? If we trade I don’t want a giant ass contract.

Can always pick up a cb in season too. I don’t feel we are far away from being serviceable at that spot. No injuries and we are fine.

I think he is done unless our corners look like a disaster in PS.

What about the scrub in Pittsburgh that was a 1st or 2nd round pick a couple years ago but was benched last year and who they have effectively scrapped by signing nelson and drafting a cb high? He'd seem to fit the bill wouldn't he?

Don't forget about Reasor. Veach was high on him last year, but he wasn't ready. He got some good experience in the AAF. I'm not expecting him to start or anything, but he may be another good depth piece this year. I had forgotten about him, but I was watching that BJ Kiesel podcast the other day and he was pretty optimistic about him.

We have young depth (Reaser/Ward), just need a reliable starting veteran to pair with Fuller & Breeland.

36 days

Don’t forget Watts. I think he’s gonna surprise.

And I agree. Unless Arizona’s giving PP away, don’t think V will do any trading.
Personally, I think we’re OK with the cb’s we have, shall see?

A lot of these guys have mentioned the coaching this year. I think that’ll make a huge difference this year.

I don't see them trading for anyone unless there's an injury.

Veach flat out said they are waiting till training camp to revisit some trade opportunities that require cap space AND draft picks to obtain.

If the cost is realistic, he’s going to add somebody.

A top flight corner makes a ton of sense.

This.

Basically then if someone steps up in TC and is balling out then we aren't acquiring anyone is what I read into the "waiting till TC" comment.

Somebody from the receiver pool is going to be used as trade-bait for a CB. There will be a trade written up and ready to go as soon as Hill returns to the lineup.

The Chiefs currently have at cornerback for 2019 -
Age and contract listed

Bashaud Breeland, 27 years old, 1 year contract for $2,000,000.

Kendall Fuller, 24 years old, 1 year left on contract for $2,025,000.

Charvarius Ward, 23 years old, two years on contract at $570,000 and $660,000.

Keith Reaser, 27 years old, 1 year contract at $820,000. Fifth round draft pick in 2014 by San Francisco

Tremon Smith, 22 years old, three years left on contract for $617,95`, $707.951, and $798,451.

Rashad Fenton, 22 years old, 4 year contract at $533,205, $632,705, $723,205, and $813,205.

Mark Fields, 22 years old with 3 year contract at $495,000, $585,000, and $675,000.

D’Montre Wade, 24 years old 1 year contract for $495,000.

Dakari Monroe, 1 year $495,000 .

Herb Miller, 21 years old with 3 year contract for $495,000, $585,000, and $675,000.

With Breeland, Fuller, Ward and then Reaser, Smith, Fenton and Fields competing for the 4th and 5th CB position, the Chiefs could open the season with this group. It is not a position of strength for them though and it would not be what KC needs for play-offs.


There are some potential trade partners though.

Minnesota Vikings could be a potential trade partner because they are up against a cap space problem both for 2019 and 2020. A week ago the Vikings only had $1 M of cap space but some recent contract changes now shows the Vikings with $5 M of cap space. Mike Hughes is trying to recover from a torn ACL injury and Holton Hill has been suspended for 4 games. Not having these two players might make Minnesota more likely to wait until a few games into season to make a trade.

• 20 Mackensie Alexander CB 25 years old with 1 year left on contract for $1,373,370.
• 49 Terrence Alexander CB
• 38 Kris Boyd CB
• 24 Holton Hill CB
• 21 Mike Hughes CB
• 36 Craig James CB
• 44 Nate Meadors CB
• 29 Xavier Rhodes CB – 28 years old, 4 years on contract at $13,337,500, $12,900,000, $14,150.000,and $13,850,000
• 34 Duke Thomas CB
• 26 Trae Waynes CB 26 years old with 1 year left on contract for $9,069,000

Not a trade partner but a possible CB pickup for Chiefs.


Pittsburgh Steelers
• 29 Brian Allen CB
• 25 Artie Burns CB 24 years old, 1 year contract with $956.862 base but Steelers could save $1,757.862 with cut.
• 23 Joe Haden CB
• 28 Mike Hilton CB
• 38 Kameron Kelly CB
• 31 Justin Layne CB
• 33 Alexander Myres CB
• 22 Steven Nelson CB
• 20 Cameron Sutton CB
• 35 Herb Waters CB

If the Pittsburgh Steelers (Only $1 M Cap Space) were to release Artie Burns, he could be a possibility. He is only 24 years old and could compete for playing time with this secondary. Burns is due $800,000 if Steelers keep him when training camp starts on July 26th.

Philadelphia Eagles another possible trade partner

• 21 Ronald Darby CB 5-11, 193, age 25, 1 year 6.5 M, only 17 total games in last two seasons
• 32 Rasul Douglas CB 6-2, 209, age 25, 1 year left for $2,044,214. Seven starts in 2 years
• 48 Josh Hawkins CB
• 22 Sidney Jones CB 23 years old two years on contract at $1,674,564 and $1,953,658
• 34 Cre'Von LeBlanc CB 24 years old with 1 year contract for $720,000
• 46 Jay Liggins CB
• 29 Avonte Maddox CB 23 years old with 3 year contract at $726,478, $816,478, and $906,478
• 38 Jeremiah McKinnon CB
• 31 Jalen Mills CB 25 years old with 1 year on contract for $2,044,214

We don't have an abundance of proven WR.

we can't afford to lose Hill
Watkins is still an injury concern
We aren't trading Hardman
I doubt Robinson or Pringle has significant value

The rest of our WRs aren't worth much yet.

Dieter, Gehrig
Grayson, Davon
Custis, Jamal
Thompson, Cody
Kemp, Marcus
Davis III, Felton
Davis, Rashard
Forson, Joe

So which WR will bring us significant CB talent without handicapping our offense?

Patrick Peterson trade with Cardinals might happen a few games into the season.

Cards schedule of first six games Lions, Ravens, Panthers, Seahawks, Bengals, and Falcons.

Dependent on how those games go while Peterson serves his suspension might affect a possible trade.


Cards then play Giants and Saints. The Saints game would be October 27th which is two days before the NFL trade deadline of October 29th.

So as others have said, it's possible we start the season with what we have at CB with a possibility of a trade during the season.

We don't have WR depth and value that would allow us to trade for a good CB.

I agree, especially if Kelce gets hurt. We need Hardman to be productive his 1st season.

According to incoming reports, we're very much headed to having an abundance of WR talent and I'll be ****ed if we're carrying 10 Receivers into the season. We're at a point where our projected #4 could handle #2 duties with ease on a less talented roster and we WILL use that to pull a CB trade.

Thanks, Wilson8. Good stuff! Maybe add Jalen Ramsey and Jacksonville to the list?

Guys I’d be interested in...

Hilton Hill
Trae Wayne
Rasul Douglas
Sidney Jones
Jalen Ramsey
Patrick Peterson
Xavier Rhodes

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Fuller
Breeland
Ward
Fields
Reasor

My preference is obviously a fully elite guy like PP or Ramsey, but I’d gladly take any of those guys.

Mahomes is going to get a lot of guys promoted and priced out of town.

Like Ray Lewis in Baltimore, or Peyton everywhere he went.

I’m not sure the WRs have increased value yet, but they will.

Yep

Mahomes got Wilson paid above his worth with one game.

Breeland was going to get paid big money and actually had that contract offer to him until his foot problem showed up, so yes he was considered a quality starting Corner. He looked like that corner to and Green Bay last year. 2 INT’s, 4 passes defended and a return TD in only five game started? This guy is a starting caliber corner and he’s proven it.

I’m proud of Veach for not going full reerun in the draft and trading way up into the early second for a corner because honestly I thought there was a strong chance he would’ve done that.

Keep an eye on Peterson and both corners in Minnesota, but don’t get butt ****ed into giving up too much for one of those guys.

It’s ridiculous to say the position will ruin our season as if we are the only team that has that situation. Literally every team in the league has a position where you could say that.

I would love Ramsey, but his comments about getting paid make me pretty leery you could actually make that work.

That’s what’s interesting. Veach got a big range of corners this offseason. They got a speed burner type in Hardman, they got a big jump ball freak with athleticism in Custis and a detailed route runner in the slot in Thompson.

I like the versatility on the roster.

That ain't no shit!

Why the Chiefs should go all in and trade for Jalen Ramsey
 

Nope. I absolutely want another corner, but I don't want to blow up our salary cap and also lose a #1 pick. Adding a #2 type is enough.

Ramsey is not a realistic option at all.

The guy is about to ask for a massive long-term contract.

The Chiefs already have to pay massive contracts to Mahomes, Clark, Jones and possibly Hill.

If the Chiefs swing big, it will be for Peterson not Ramsey.

The right thing to do is to either to acquire a veteran who has a few years of good play in him and draft a CB next draft or acquire a CB who won't cost too much and whom you feel is on the rise.

Drafting a corner (or two) is an absolute necessity next year. Breeland and Fuller are free agents, so as it is we are pretty barren after this season at the position.

Count me in the anti-Jalen Ramsey camp. I remember when Josh Norman was god's gift to coverage. Change of team, change of scheme, change of production. No thanks.

I'd much rather take aim for one of the under-26-year-old guys who for one reason or another aren't blue-chip players. The problem is there is close to zero chance that any AFC team will trade with us.

Would love to see one of those Philly CBs coming over, however.

Having Ramsey would push this defense into a top 5.

If it is just 1 First round pick- it would be a steal. Do it Veech! We have to play the Jags and it would be awesome to see Ramsey in Red instead of on the other side of the field.

That's not really a good comparison though. Norman was physically limited and set in the perfect scheme for him in Carolina.

Once he got away from that, meh.

Ramsey is a 6-4 behemoth that can run and play really in any system.

He just talks a lot and is going to cost a lot.

The thing with Ramsey though is that he would be the ideal candidate to tag.

You could have him for 3 years without paying him a big long termer, tag him and trade him then.

Can’t afford to pay Ramsey huge money when Clark, Jones, Hill and Pat will be on huge contracts.

Don't pay Jones yet, let him play this year, then tag and trade him if the young players play well.

Nice! He knows Breeland, too. Doesn't happen like that very often.

You may want that tag in your pocket for Hill.

Veach has something up his sleeve.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mitchell Schwartz’s base salaries under the new extension <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Jason_OTC</a> <br><br>2019: $930k<br>2020: $5.32M<br>2021: $5.905M<br><br>Previous bases: <br>2019: $6M<br>2020: $6M<br>2021: Free Agent</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1141187338061529089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Of course he does. We are an Elite franchise now and are forever bound to stay one step ahead.

He cleared about 5 mil in cap space with the Schwartz extension. Veach ain’t done yet!! PP!!!!!!

And if so with the suspension we could do it cheaper.

You are probably right- but never say never.

I think we trade for a vet but I doubt it's a stud.

I think we are clearing money for a Fuller extension.

Not a bad idea. Fuller isn't a star but he's dependable and our cornerback depth chart is shit after this season.

Traded for Ward in the preseason last year.

I think a similar move could be made, maybe with a more proven guy, somewhere between Ward's level and the more high profile guys that keep getting thrown around.

Like someone already mentioned, we are going to have some talent at receiver left over that could be intriguing for some team. Same with D-line, imo. Someone like Tanoh could be flipped for a corner with upside.

So, his total base salary amount didn’t change even though we added a year to the deal?

So, he had to get an 11m signing bonus.

That should have cleared up 5m in 2019 cap space.

That leaves us with somewhere around 30m in cap space.

I'm as pessimistic and cynical as they come but even I can't imagine Veach just sitting on all that cap space with no plan in place.

I read somewhere they made his 19 and 20 salaries guaranteed. That must be how they did it.