Surgery for Speaks and Henne
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breeland Speaks has an MCL sprain and a meniscal injury, per <a href="https://twitter.com/proatc?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@proatc</a>. He’ll have surgery this week. <br><br>Chad Henne has a high ankle sprain and fractured ankle as well.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1166011779459272705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Speaks may go on the IR with that...we'll see.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Backup QB Chad Henne and backup DE Breeland Speaks will have surgery tomorrow, Henne for a broken ankle, Speaks for an MCL sprain and a meniscus injury in right knee</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1166011899647025157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Speaks might play in 2019, if they don't need to repair the MCL.

Breeland Speaks, what a useless fat ****

I can't wait to see how much weight the fatass gains when he can't practice or exercise

Well, we definitely aren't going with just PMII and Henne now. That should assure Shurmur of a spot.

I'd see if you could trade for a backup from somewhere now.

If Henne has a long term break then yea he's getting IR'd and it's a young backup.

Shit!!!!! ****!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m done with Speaks. His lazy ass shouldn’t be here next season

Roll with Tanoh, Ogbah and develop Saunders

I was literally sprinting 3 weeks after my meniscus repair.

Speaks will be ready by week 3 for sure

So maybe just IR speaks and keep Ivey?

If Speaks knee is minor then they'd probably just have him inactive early in the year.

The Henne one though raises more questions.

Yeah, i'd look around at trading for a vet backup. Shouldn't take much, but you'd rather have someone in here that can be decent.

Shit - Henne's ankle is big news.

Neither Shurmer or Litton look good enough. We may have to keep both, too.

Aren't the Pats supposedly gonna cut Hoyer? That wouldn't be a terrible idea.

I think the idea was to PS Schurmer to take Henne's role next year, not already.

I completely missed Henne getting hurt. Was it in the game or was it a practice injury?

It really depends on the tear type. Recovery can be as short as three to four weeks. A mild mcl sprain may heal in 2-3 weeks as well.
Would be surprised if they put him on IR

Well Chris Jones tore his MCL and it was an 8-10 week recovery.

You’d think an MCL sprain would be something like 4-6 weeks

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OC on Kyle Shurmur and Chase Litton in wake of Chad Henne injury: &quot;We&#39;ve got two young guys. They&#39;re up and coming and we&#39;ve got to get them ready to play.&quot;</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1166013996371238914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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That's pretty quick. Is weight a factor?

Oh wouldya now?

1) Of course you would. If there's a way to trade for someone, water boy included, you're gonna do it.

2) Why? I mean unless you're going after Chase Daniel, any QB you bring in here is going to have to learn the system from the ground up without the benefit of any sort of training camp period. The odds of a 'veteran backup' who's never operated in Andy's system being better than Litton are pretty remote.

As for Daniel....ugh - I really don't have much interest in paying him $4 million. And the Bears would give him to us for a 7th in all likelihood given that he appears to be a likely cut candidate.

Nah, I'd let him get cut and offer him something like $1-2 million to return. Then I'd probably cut Henne with an injury settlement as I think Daniel's probably a better option here anyway. But I wouldn't give $4 million for him.

With 8 guys not dressing for games anyway he may just be that for the first month or so.

Your life must be ****ing miserable.

Player are often week to week with grade I or II sprains.

Daniel was my first choice. I don't like paying that, but it is what it is. They can't go into the year with Litton or Shurmur as the backup.

If Mahomes goes down for something long term, fine, throw one of them out there. It wouldn't matter.

But if it's a game or a half, they need someone respectable.

Sounds like good a plan. I'm in.

Serious question - how does this impact our playcalling?

I think we try even harder to avoid injury for Pat, moreso than before.

More runs? More 6-OL sets where one is a "TE"?

I was about 270-280 at the time. I didn’t do rehab, he may be forced to do so.

Meniscus repair is very minor. Easy peasy.

No. You don’t get scared with Pat. It’s business as usual.

Doesn’t matter if it’s Henne, Shurmur or Litton. If Pat is hurt, season over

For the love of god, why? We have guys that know the offense better than any we could bring in AND they don’t cost a pick.

How the **** did Henne break his ankle?

Gotcha.

Bring Andrew Luck in.

If Pat misses the 2nd half of a game against the Steelers or the Pats, you think either of those 2 are gonna come in and be able to keep things going the right way?

Yeah, they really can.

I mean, not Shurmer - he sucks.

But Litton can sling it. Yeah, you'll see more turnovers than you'd like but if you give him a little time and the same weapons Pat works with and he can give you 17-21 PPG; some rando 'veteran' isn't likely to give you any more than that.

Litton's a genuine NFL caliber thrower - he just needs to work on the 'passer' part of it. Andy can work with that.

Who are you trading for that will be better?

I’d absolutely roll with Litton for a half. Given our weapons, if he plays competently at all, you may be able to Patriot him to another team down the road.

Maybe.

Seeing as they seem to have Shurmer in front of him though, I dunno that Litton would be the guy they keep.

LMAO

Lol let’s get mad at Speaks for getting hurt

I'm thinking if it's a few games that Pat would be out and not the whole season, we would just need to weather the storm and get to the playoffs.

Neither of the other two guys would be able to get us through a few games. Henne might.

I hear Andrew luck is available...

I'm less mad and more ambivalent.

I'm not sure that's any less of an indictment of Speaks.

The guy's irrelevant. Okay - he's hurt. Whatever. IR him and keep Ivy. It's no loss - dude sucks.

We'll see what they think of Speaks, if he goes to IR then yea.

I had meniscus surgery in the late 90's and I was NOT sprinting in 3 weeks. Not even close. Maybe my surgeon sucked ass, it was work comp after all. Maybe it's because they took out 75% of my meniscus, but it took me quite a while to come back from it. They had to drain a large amount of blood from swelling on my knee a few weeks after the surgery. And I didn't have full range of motion for quite some time. And even now, i have 2 or 3 days a year where my knee hurts like hell for no particular reason. I was still young and in shape and weighed about 175lb at the time.

Speaks almost definitely has a better surgeon, and may bounce back in a few weeks, but it may not be a given.

Because we all know - especially those of us who have had 4 of them - that all meniscus tears are exactly alike. :facepalm:

Yeah, I guess it all comes down to how much they have to repair. My surgeon is definitely considered one of the best in town. There’s a multiple people at my job that had repairs done by him and was highly recommended.

I went back to work after two weeks with no restrictions.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With Chad Henne suffering a fractured ankle, the Chiefs are signing former Dolphins’ QB Matt Moore, per source. He now will back up Patrick Mahomes.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1166023715928363008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I agree, there's absolutely no reason to trade for any QB. I'm also in agreement that Daniel would be the only vet we should consider and I wouldn't pay him $4M. It's time to fish or cut bait with our backup QBs.

How in the hell did Henne get hurt? Did he kick the bench after his miserable performance Saturday? Did we miss the cart off while Ari and Trent were BSing with Donovan?

At this point, I think you have to keep Ogbah on the roster. See how severe the Speaks injury is and maybe put him on IR Designated.

Just signed Matt Moore

Matt Moore is a good option.

Well there you go. He is basically a Henne clone.

Matt Moore signed.

There, O.City - you got your shitty veteran.

Wonder if this means Henne is out...like being cut.

Yea but O.City would have traded for him LMAO

Moore is a respected vet who will know his role and help that QB room. WCO familiar and by all accounts a true pro.

He probably has a 12 - 16 week injury so no use keeping him around.

Moore is better than Henne

Ah so IR or a injury settlement.

Matt Moore is a really good back up, I like him over Henne. Sucks he doesnt have much time to learn the playbook.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting. Matt Moore was working with the Dolphins starting a career as a scout this offseason. Spent 2018 out of football. That bag and potential ring must&#39;ve lured him back. <a href="https://t.co/0HuWQSJ7y4">https://t.co/0HuWQSJ7y4</a></p>&mdash; Cameron Wolfe (@CameronWolfe) <a href="https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1166024895328862208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He doesn’t have to start in two weeks either. Hopefully he has all the time in the world.

I agree. Feel bad for Henne, but the Chiefs might have just improved regarding QB depth.

I want you guys to remember this moment the next time you wanna question my football knowledge.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs needed to sign another veteran quarterback &amp; Matt Moore is a good option. Interesting too that the Chiefs get this deal done ahead of the Colts, who are also looking for a veteran backup quarterback after Andrew Luck retired Saturday.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1166025382635757569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

PBJ

The last memory I remember of Moore is him being dead on the field after Bud dupree destroyed him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interestingly enough, the Chiefs also targeted Moore during free agency two years ago. They also brought in and ended up signing Chad Henne (who is now out with a fractured ankle) but now Moore is back in the mix.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1166025526252855297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You snooze, you lose I guess.

Heh. Suck it twice, Colts.

I enjoy how I am being told "theres no way they cut Schurmer have to have 3 QB's in this spot"

Video please

Your entire premise was to trade for someone. Even the Chiefs aren't that stupid.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also of note, the Chiefs are somewhat optimistic that Breeland Speaks might return late this season if his rehab goes well. The recovery timetable for Speaks, I&#39;m told, could be around 3 months.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1166027553901076483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wanted a vet backup. Didn't think Moore was an option.

I'd have traded a 6th or 7th for one, but this is better.

Shurmur\Litton must suck so bad they had to bring Moore who sucks as well and was out of the NFL.

I appreciate your approach to conducting a draft.

You just...don't. Trade all your picks all the time and just stay home during combine season.

It would give Veach a lot more time to take up guitar or needlepoint or even something like cycling.

I'd generally agree if you're trying to be a contender you probably need one veteran and a young project backup. We're talking about if PM misses a game... but even if Mahomes gets whacked and has to go through concussion protocol for a series or something, you want someone out there you know isn't going to turn into a puddle when he's thrown into actual competition.

I'd only ever have 1-4 round picks.

There's a scenario out there where i'm not a very good GM.