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dannybcaitlyn 10-13-2019 02:08 PM

FIRE SPAGS!****
 
ANDY had to hire his unemployed buddy!! Don’t see a mid pack defense here and instead of getting a little better each week it has been regressing!

JakeF 10-13-2019 02:09 PM

Andy Reid is the real problem.

Matrix 10-13-2019 02:09 PM

"Fire Spags"

What a classic.

In58men 10-13-2019 02:09 PM

This team is atrocious.

Back to back home losses lmfao

UK_Chief 10-13-2019 02:09 PM

Andy playing Madden

kcclone 10-13-2019 02:09 PM

I think you fire Veach and tell Spags he has 3 weeks to fix the D.

If he can’t by then, fire him and hand the keys over to one of the Assistants.

TribalElder 10-13-2019 02:09 PM

Who you gonna hire

Harbaugh

ShowtimeSBMVP 10-13-2019 02:10 PM

This D has no players

rabblerouser 10-13-2019 02:10 PM

He's worse than Sutton.

-King- 10-13-2019 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14521831)
Who you gonna hire

Harbaugh

**** it, do a raffle and hire a random fan. What difference would it make?

chiefsfan15 10-13-2019 02:11 PM

Doesn’t matter who is coaching that bunch of chumps. It’s about personnel. You can’t fix personnel in the middle of a season.

rabblerouser 10-13-2019 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 14521826)
Andy playing Madden

Let's run the ball on 2nd and 15 from our own end zone!

jonzie04 10-13-2019 02:11 PM

Spags has almost zero talent on defense. Not sure what any coordinator can do with that.

TLO 10-13-2019 02:12 PM

I thought this was Bob Sutton's fault?

tyreekthefreak 10-13-2019 02:12 PM

Frank Clark is a million dollar a game waste of space! Honey Badger ain't much better. Veach screwed the pooch again this offseason!

dannybcaitlyn 10-13-2019 02:12 PM

We all know when we punted at the end it was all over! Sutton all over again!

ARROW2 10-13-2019 02:13 PM

**** SPAGS!!!!

Mulliganman 10-13-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kcclone (Post 14521827)
I think you fire Veach and tell Spags he has 3 weeks to fix the D.

If he can’t by then, fire him and hand the keys over to one of the Assistants.

This is where it starts I think with Veach. Who is flying the banner to motivate Clark?

petegz28 10-13-2019 02:14 PM

Baldy basically ripping Spags on how Clark is being used......

jonzie04 10-13-2019 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 14521888)
Frank Clark is a million dollar a game waste of space! Honey Badger ain't much better. Veach screwed the pooch again this offseason!

Honey badger has been balling... one of the only guys

dannybcaitlyn 10-13-2019 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 14521864)
Spags has almost zero talent on defense. Not sure what any coordinator can do with that.

I’ll take my chance and hope we could get someone who could scheme to player strengths!

ljmhawk 10-13-2019 02:18 PM

offense has struggled but hard to get in a groove on offense when the other team has the ball for 45 minutes because the sorry ass D can’t stop shit.

petegz28 10-13-2019 02:21 PM

Baldy pretty much ripping Spags and Reid

jonzie04 10-13-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 14521929)
I’ll take my chance and hope we could get someone who could scheme to player strengths!

What strengths would that be? Aside from
Jones, and honey badger, and maybe Ward, they all suck.

I’m not saying spags was the right hire, but when your lineman, can’t rush the passer, get mauled vs the run.

Linebackers can’t tackle, diagnose plays, get off blocks, or cover the pass.

Corners, can’t cover, can’t stop getting penalties.

I’m not sure what anyone can do?

scho63 10-13-2019 02:25 PM

Is Buddy Ryan still alive?

dannybcaitlyn 10-13-2019 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 14521997)
What strengths would that be? Aside from
Jones, and honey badger, and maybe Ward, they all suck.

And you don’t think Spags had any input on the 6 or 7 new players on defense that Veach got him?

PAChiefsGuy 10-13-2019 02:28 PM

Spags hasnt been any better than Sutton. Great hire Reid

KC Hawks 10-13-2019 02:28 PM

Did Belichick plant Brendan Daly here to make the defense even shittier? He's supposed to be the run d-coordinator.

The Franchise 10-13-2019 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 14521987)
Baldy pretty much ripping Spags and Reid

They both deserve it.

dannybcaitlyn 10-14-2019 05:32 AM

NEW ORLEANS (AP) The New Orleans Saints have fired defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo after one season - a record-setting year in the wrong way.

New Orleans ranked last in the NFL in total defense and run defense, yielding the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints went 7-9 this season and allowed 454 points; only Tennessee gave up more!

I don’t think REID will fire his little buddy. Sean was quick to fire his ass and deservingly so!

tyreekthefreak 10-14-2019 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 14521918)
Honey badger has been balling... one of the only guys

He makes a couple plays each game, of late......I wouldn't say "he's balling!"

He's two or three steps late on every pass....better against the run but still misses tackles.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-14-2019 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 14524207)
NEW ORLEANS (AP) The New Orleans Saints have fired defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo after one season - a record-setting year in the wrong way.

New Orleans ranked last in the NFL in total defense and run defense, yielding the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints went 7-9 this season and allowed 454 points; only Tennessee gave up more!

I don’t think REID will fire his little buddy. Sean was quick to fire his ass and deservingly so!

I was repeatedly told that this was not his fault, though.

Mecca 10-14-2019 06:23 AM

It's probably just time to admit, Andy Reid has the same faults he always did, that places him above a lot of head coaches in the NFL but couple that with Brett Veach and it's not a winning formula.

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 14521864)
Spags has almost zero talent on defense. Not sure what any coordinator can do with that.

Spags had a chance to get a bunch of his guys. The talent isn't great but there is more than enough to not be this horrendous. The defense is new enough that we can still get better with experience. But that's a thin thread thus deep in the season and given spags track record.

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 14524207)
NEW ORLEANS (AP) The New Orleans Saints have fired defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo after one season - a record-setting year in the wrong way.

New Orleans ranked last in the NFL in total defense and run defense, yielding the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints went 7-9 this season and allowed 454 points; only Tennessee gave up more!

I don’t think REID will fire his little buddy. Sean was quick to fire his ass and deservingly so!

To be clear, I was never crazy about the hire and furious about it now. But you can't blame spags for what happened in bountygate or mcadoogate.

Chiefnj2 10-14-2019 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 14521864)
Spags has almost zero talent on defense. Not sure what any coordinator can do with that.

Zero talent? All I read all off-season on here was that: it was great to get rid of Houston and Ford, Clark was just a hair below Mack in terms of talent , Jones is a beast, Hitchens will shine now that he's back in a 4-3, and the honey badger solved all safety problems.

What do they have, 8 new starters on D?

All of a sudden none of geese guys fit the new scheme and are devoid of talent? The primary off-season plan was to fix the run, and none of the schematic or personnel changes has yielded a positive result.

Mecca 10-14-2019 06:55 AM

Don't give me the talent argument, it's either on Veach, Spags or both of them. They went and spent a shit ton of money on that side of the ball, to see the performance be worse than last year or at best similar is unacceptable.

If you pulled that shit at your job you'd get fired.

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14521814)
Andy Reid is the real problem.

He is and he isn't. He is only because he was instrumental in bringing in spags and hiring veach. Fix those things (or hope they become magically better) and Reid isn't the problem. Clark Hunt needs to be the guy to hold Reid accountable. He is a great coach getting in his own way but he's still a great coach.

Aspengc8 10-14-2019 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14524271)
Spags had a chance to get a bunch of his guys. The talent isn't great but there is more than enough to not be this horrendous. The defense is new enough that we can still get better with experience. But that's a thin thread thus deep in the season and given spags track record.

They aren't going to get 'better' as the season goes on unless they start playing their assignments aggressive in the box. There are guys in position to make a play, they just don't make it. I wouldn't blame that on scheme. Ragland has been the best run defending linebacker so far and he's not even playing..

Mecca 10-14-2019 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14524279)
He is and he isn't. He is only because he was instrumental in bringing in spags and hiring veach. Fix those things (or hope they become magically better) and Reid isn't the problem. Clark Hunt needs to be the guy to hold Reid accountable. He is a great coach getting in his own way but he's still a great coach.

Why would he do that? Clark is probably doing backflips that we aren't winning 2-4 games a year now.

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14524281)
Why would he do that? Clark is probably doing backflips that we aren't winning 2-4 games a year now.

I'm not saying he will. Just saying he can.

Red Dawg 10-14-2019 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14524237)
It's probably just time to admit, Andy Reid has the same faults he always did, that places him above a lot of head coaches in the NFL but couple that with Brett Veach and it's not a winning formula.

This. Andy is hard heaeded and terrible in the game.

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 14524280)
They aren't going to get 'better' as the season goes on unless they start playing their assignments aggressive in the box. There are guys in position to make a play, they just don't make it. I wouldn't blame that on scheme. Ragland has been the best run defending linebacker so far and he's not even playing..

I wasn't at all excited about spags. I was crazy excited about house and Daly. That's why this part is so damn puzzling. Granted, we've had a really tough lineup of slippery qbs or power running games. But our lack of fundamentals is shocking and disappointing.

morphius 10-14-2019 07:09 AM

Didn't want him, hope they are willing to admit the mistake and move on. The players are obviously not helping, but this D is a train wreck.

Aspengc8 10-14-2019 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14524279)
He is and he isn't. He is only because he was instrumental in bringing in spags and hiring veach. Fix those things (or hope they become magically better) and Reid isn't the problem. Clark Hunt needs to be the guy to hold Reid accountable. He is a great coach getting in his own way but he's still a great coach.

I know this is a defensive focused thread but Andy sure could help the defense by sustaining some longer drives to give them time to adjust on the sideline. KC's line from the center left is dogshit right now and Andy should be at least trying to run a bit and aim for 3rd and 3-5. I think the RB's averaged 5 per carry yesterday and they just abandoned it completely. Some 21 personnel stuff needs to be mixed in asap which can help mahomes from getting hit as well with the play action game.

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 14524314)
I know this is a defensive focused thread but Andy sure could help the defense by sustaining some longer drives to give them time to adjust on the sideline. KC's line from the center left is dogshit right now and Andy should be at least trying to run a bit and aim for 3rd and 3-5. I think the RB's averaged 5 per carry yesterday and they just abandoned it completely. Some 21 personnel stuff needs to be mixed in asap which can help mahomes from getting hit as well with the play action game.

I don't buy that. This defense never makes stops even when we sustain drives. At this point we are only going to win games if we have a score at all costs mentality on every possession.

petegz28 10-14-2019 07:44 AM

Heard a blip on the radio this morning that Honey Badger said the defense isn't buying into the scheme. Is that accurate?

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 14524365)
Heard a blip on the radio this morning that Honey Badger said the defense isn't buying into the scheme. Is that accurate?

God I hope so. Our only hope is for players to get mad enough to "revolt." Honey Badger is the only guy on D with the leadership and fire to make something happen.

Mecca 10-14-2019 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14524394)
God I hope so. Our only hope is for players to get mad enough to "revolt." Honey Badger is the only guy on D with the leadership and fire to make something happen.

They will not fire a DC in the middle of the season in his first year, there is no way Reid signs off on that.

Chief_N_Bama 10-14-2019 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 14524274)
Zero talent? All I read all off-season on here was that: it was great to get rid of Houston and Ford, Clark was just a hair below Mack in terms of talent , Jones is a beast, Hitchens will shine now that he's back in a 4-3, and the honey badger solved all safety problems.

What do they have, 8 new starters on D?

All of a sudden none of geese guys fit the new scheme and are devoid of talent? The primary off-season plan was to fix the run, and none of the schematic or personnel changes has yielded a positive result.


THIS!

Now all these idiots wanna play dumb...

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2019 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14524421)
They will not fire a DC in the middle of the season in his first year, there is no way Reid signs off on that.

I don't see that happening. The revolt I'm talking about is the players pointing out the stupidity of our scheme. We didn't have leaders last year vocal enough to call out grandpa Bob. I don't think we do this year either except honey Badger. At this point I'm only hoping to be below average enough to not lose big games for us.


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