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UChieffyBugger 10-16-2019 11:25 AM

WHO currently on the roster is good at stopping the run?
 
Because when we know the answer to this question, we will be able to comprehend just what may be needed before the deadline.

Clark= He had a good rep before he came here of stopping the run

Okafor= He too seemed to hold up well against the run from what I remember

Jones= We all know it's not his strength

Nnadi= Last year folks said he done well against the run, this year? Looks like he's regressed

Williams= Had a decent grade against the run in Zona...not sure he's lived up to it here

Kpass= He's tall and has length, but he's never had a reputation of stopping the run from what I remember

Ogbah= Not sure what his strength tbh

Saunders= Known as more of a pass rusher in college

Lee= His strength has been in coverage, not run defense

Hitchens= Really what is he best at?

Wilson= Not impressed thus far as far as stopping guys

Neimann= No chance

Ragland= This system was never his favourite but some Chiefs media folks believe he's decent against the run but garbage in coverage

DOD= Against dump offs maybe but not anything else

So that's pretty much the list right now. Folks say Mcclain is decent so we'll just have to wait and see once he gets on the field. But the bottom line is we really don't have many proven guys In that front seven who are known for being good run stoppers, do we? Nnadi may well be another Veach bust tbh and Jones is gonna do what Jones does. A DT and LB who are proven run stoppers may be what's needed before the deadline I think.

God of Thunder 10-16-2019 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14530300)
Because when we know the answer to this question, we will be able to comprehend just what may be needed before the deadline.

Clark= He had a good rep before he came here of stopping the run

Okafor= He too seemed to hold up well against the run from what I remember

Jones= We all know it's not his strength

Nnadi= Last year folks said he done well against the run, this year? Looks like he's regressed

Williams= Had a decent grade against the run in Zona...not sure he's lived up to it here

Kpass= He's tall and has length, but he's never had a reputation of stopping the run from what I remember

Ogbah= Not sure what his strength tbh

Saunders= Known as more of a pass rusher in college

Lee= His strength has been in coverage, not run defense

Hitchens= Really what is he best at?

Wilson= Not impressed thus far as far as stopping guys

Neimann= No chance

Ragland= This system was never his favourite but some Chiefs media folks believe he's decent against the run but garbage in coverage

DOD= Against dump offs maybe but not anything else

So that's pretty much the list right now. Folks say Mcclain is decent so we'll just have to wait and see once he gets on the field. But the bottom line is we really don't have many proven guys In that front seven who are known for being good run stoppers, do we? Nnadi may well be another Veach bust tbh and Jones is gonna do what Jones does. A DT and LB who are proven rub stoppers may be what's needed before the deadline I think.

So.....what you're saying is......?

KC Hawks 10-16-2019 11:35 AM

Andy Reid is excellent at stopping the run.

loochy 10-16-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 14530319)
So.....what you're saying is......?

Nobody can stop the run. Everyone we have has always sucked against the run or has recently discovered how to suck against the run.

ToxSocks 10-16-2019 11:37 AM

The Opposing team's O.C.

TinyEvel 10-16-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 14530337)
Andy Reid is excellent at stopping the run.

On his own offense, yeah.

loochy 10-16-2019 11:37 AM

IF ONLY WE HAD ERIC "HOBOSPIRIT" BERRY!

MIRITE?

UChieffyBugger 10-16-2019 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 14530319)
So.....what you're saying is......?

We can't be surprised at what we're seeing IF most of the front seven don't have a reputation stopping the run and Veach needs to address this QUICKLY :evil:

New World Order 10-16-2019 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 14530348)
IF ONLY WE HAD ERIC "HOBOSPIRIT" BERRY!

MIRITE?

He's still available!

KC_Lee 10-16-2019 11:39 AM

Only way we stop the run is be up by 21 points early in the 2nd quarter.

UChieffyBugger 10-16-2019 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 14530348)
IF ONLY WE HAD ERIC "HOBOSPIRIT" BERRY!

MIRITE?

I think he'd put up a better fight than most of the front seven tbh.

dlphg9 10-16-2019 12:22 PM

Cam Erving is excellent at it. Can't believe how good he is at it.

Flying High D 10-16-2019 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 14530337)
Andy Reid is excellent at stopping the run.

He hasn’t ran since he could see his Winkie.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-16-2019 12:37 PM

Next draft should be nothing but front 7. Mostly linebackers.

Maybe one O-lineman.

lcarus 10-16-2019 12:40 PM

I feel like eventually we'll get better at stopping the run. At least to the point of not being historically bad. Then we'll be right back to complaining about how we can't stop the pass and have no pass rush.

jimidollar 10-16-2019 12:40 PM

Joe.

Mecca 10-16-2019 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14530472)
Cam Erving is excellent at it. Can't believe how good he is at it.

This is hilarious because Erving spent 2 years at FSU playing DE.

Mecca 10-16-2019 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jimidollar (Post 14530547)
Joe.

Mama?

jimidollar 10-16-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14530553)
Mama?

Exactly! Sorry, I love that joke.

chiefzilla1501 10-16-2019 12:47 PM

Ogbah is good against the run. I think if we have guys like okafor, ogbah, McClain out there... We'll get terrible qb pressure but our front 4 should hopefully be adequate against the run. I still think adding Pennel or peko makes for a solid run front.

If we land Zach brown and bump hitchens outside our LBs could actually be passable vs the run. I'm also surprised Brandon Marshall is still out there. Sucks in coverage but a decent run lb. All 3 or 4 moves would cost nothing to add.

It will be frustrating that we'll be worse in pass D. But right now we can't stop the run or pass. If we can stop the run we can maybe get creative with blitz packages and take some gambles. More importantly we'd stop getting pummeled in TOP.

ScareCrowe 10-16-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 14530354)
Only way we stop the run is be up by 21 points early in the 2nd quarter.

So Mahomes is the Chiefs best run stopper?

KC_Lee 10-16-2019 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ScareCrowe (Post 14530611)
So Mahomes is the Chiefs best run stopper?

Be up 3 scores early and the opponent gives up on the run game. It's almost like the D was built with this line of thinking.

Megatron96 10-16-2019 01:05 PM

Of the defensive lineman, Clark has been the best against the run, at least through the first 5 games. Statistically, runs to his side average less than 3 yards per carry. Everywhere else on the DL, rushers average more than 4yds/carry.

Nnadi was decent against the run last year. He's been good most of the time this year, from what I can tell. But he's had some bad plays as well. Of course, he's in his second or third year? Second system? Still a lot to learn.

None of the LBs played particularly well in the middle against the run on Sunday. 50 and 54 apparently have never played against the run before. 50's recognition skills seemed pretty slow against both the run and pass.

Molitoth 10-16-2019 01:06 PM

I think Spags is shit.

These players were good on their previous teams.
That many players don't just all of a sudden suck shit because they "lost talent".

loochy 10-16-2019 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 14530620)
Be up 3 scores early and the opponent gives up on the run game. It's almost like the D was built with this line of thinking.

So it's really the O-line's fault that we get gashed by the run? :hmmm:

KC_Lee 10-16-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 14530666)
So it's really the O-line's fault that we get gashed by the run? :hmmm:

That and the fact the Andy thinks we can keep running deep pass routes every play and not using the quick lassing game or screens.

UK_Chief 10-16-2019 01:31 PM

The O line

lcarus 10-16-2019 02:01 PM

It really doesn't feel like we're lacking that many capable players to be at least average. But stopping the run takes a team effort and it seems they aren't playing well together. Pretty sure Matthieu alluded to exactly that.

FAH-Q 10-16-2019 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 14530640)
I think Spags is shit.

These players were good on their previous teams.
That many players don't just all of a sudden suck shit because they "lost talent".

Exactly. I refuse to believe all of our freaking players are so woefully inept at playing football that they happened to end up on the same team. At some point there needs to be serious skepticism pointed towards the coaching staff.

Aspengc8 10-16-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FAH-Q (Post 14530807)
Exactly. I refuse to believe all of our freaking players are so woefully inept at playing football that they happened to end up on the same team. At some point there needs to be serious skepticism pointed towards the coaching staff.

Most of the time, Spags has them 1-gap. Players are in position to make a play, they either don't get off the block or are slow getting to their gap. There is also some confusion I see with mis-alignment, especially when the offense motions a tightend or Hback. I think its a combination of players not being aggressive with their assigned gaps and Spags not bringing more in the box or sending people.

bevischief 10-16-2019 02:31 PM

What they call cheerleaders on the sidelines...

Gravedigger 10-16-2019 02:32 PM

Every time Damien Williams gets the ball I think the run has stopped.

BossChief 10-16-2019 02:34 PM

The ends and secondary are doing their job in run defense. The DTs and LBers (outside of Wilson, who is average) are all trash.

The Chiefs should sign Ellis and Foster to provide help.

MahiMike 10-16-2019 02:45 PM

I saw Ben Neimann tackle someone.

Warrick 10-16-2019 03:22 PM

I heard Frank Clark could stop the run before he tore his UCLs...

Hoover 10-16-2019 03:43 PM

Shady when he fumbles the ****ing ball

Chiefs4TheWin 10-16-2019 03:46 PM

Usually the goal line slows them down after they cross.

TEX 10-16-2019 04:08 PM

Austin Reiter? Cam Erving? :shrug:

Kman34 10-16-2019 04:16 PM

Houston is pretty good against the run.. oh..wait a minute... (reading thread title)... opps..

Easy 6 10-16-2019 04:26 PM

Nnadi is our best run stopper, those who think he sucks or has regressed aren’t watching him... but he can’t do it by himself

BossChief 10-16-2019 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 14531002)
Nnadi is our best run stopper, those who think he sucks or has regressed aren’t watching him... but he can’t do it by himself

Bullshit.

cdcox 10-16-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 14530620)
Be up 3 scores early and the opponent gives up on the run game. It's almost like the D was built with this line of thinking.

Actually, it was. It does better against the pass. If you have Mahomes as QB, you can expect to be playing with the lead more often than not. In which case, it only makes sense to design the defense to defend against the pass.

If, as many of us hypothesize, the refs make calls in an attempt to keep games "competitive", it is egregiously unfair to a team like KC that is built to get an early lead and just run away with the game.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 10-16-2019 09:50 PM

If we are running the ball I want Shady or Darrell. Damien should not be the RB moving forward. He’s great as a receiving back yes

Easy 6 10-17-2019 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14531354)
Bullshit.

Shut your hole, cletus

MahiMike 10-18-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14530839)
I saw Ben Neimann tackle someone.

This.

ChiTown 10-18-2019 10:32 AM

No matter who the opponent was, the tackling last night was VERY good. That was extremely encouraging.

chinaski 10-18-2019 10:38 AM

Saunders was pretty effin convincing last night.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 10-18-2019 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 14537204)
No matter who the opponent was, the tackling last night was VERY good. That was extremely encouraging.

I didn’t see one miss tackle at all. You know why?? Darron lee only played 2 snaps last night!! Sorenson esentially is now Lee’s replacement. Played 62% of the snaps last night


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