Kelce cementing his HOF status
 

Fastest TE in history to get 450 receptions and 6,000 yards. Needs 167 more to get 1,000 yards and become the first TE in history to get 1,000 receiving yards in 4 straight years.

Yip

He good.

The best clutch player on this team

Too bad others couldn’t of matured and honed their craft as He did.

If he hadnt started really playing when he was 25 there's a chance he could catch Tony G in alot of categories. Kelce is averaging 67 yards a game and Tony was at 56, so if he would have started playing at 21 yo like Tony was, then he wouldn't need to play until he was 37 to catch Tony and let's be real, Tony was productive even in his final season and never hurt. Not many people are able to do what he did as long he did.

Kelce seems like the kind of player that can stay productive well into his 30s.

Seen a lot of people dismiss him as a HOF candidate for whatever reason, when his stats match up favorably with some of the all time greats at his position.

If he played for the Giants or Cowboys he would be a first ballot HOFer. Since he plays in KC, he probably needs a super bowl and a few more great seasons to get in.

What in the **** does this even mean?

That's what you took away from this? Oh btw dipshit, it's not "couldn't of", its "couldn't have" you dumbass.

I wish you fools would quit talking like the 1000 yards is guranteed. I can see a team (like the Gruden led Faider ****s) headhunting him because he’s been Mahomes go-to.

Not that I’m superstitious or anything but come on.

You seem nice.

Note to self, run all posts by you before posting.

I heard he’s ‘a little off’ this year...

Grow the fuck up man.

I really miss milkman and anyone else saying dumbass doesn't have the same effect. Only milkman should be able use dumbass or it gets filtered with numbnuts.

Wasn't much of a Kelce fan in the beginning. Thought he was kind of a knucklehead, tbh. Over time, however, he's become quite possibly my favorite non-Mahomes Chief in the history of the franchise. Incredible talent, NFL Man of the Year nominee, hilarious, team first guy...hands down one of the best Chiefs ever. I know almost every Chiefs fan loves him as a player and a human, but I still don't know if we truly appreciate what this guy has brought to our favorite football team - THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS!

Absolute 100% lock first ballot HOF-er. Gonna be a sad day in Chiefs history whenever he decides to call it a career.

Travis Kelce

Needs 1,000 receiving yards to become the first tight end in NFL history with seven seasons of at least 1,000 receiving yards. Kelce has at least 1,000 receiving yards in each of the past six seasons, the most in NFL history for a tight end.

Needs 103 receptions to surpass Jason Witten (806) for the most receptions by a tight end in his first 10 seasons in NFL history.

Needs 994 receiving yards to become the fifth tight end in NFL history with at least 10,000 career receiving yards, joining Tony Gonzalez (15,127), Jason Witten (13,046), Antonio Gates (11,841) and Shannon Sharpe (10,060).


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15k yards from Tony G is absurd.

Yet Kelce is going to break it........

The best thing about Kelce is minus one major and minor injuries he has stayed on the field.

If he goes for 6 more years (Asking alot) he only need 1k yards a year. Considering this next year he might be back to 1,400.... Its in reach to become the GOAT at TE.

Undisputed GOAT that is. The difference is Tony didn't have alot extra miles in the playoffs on his legs.

Clearly the AFC West is the Y Tightend Division on NFL football.

Fun fact: Besides his rookie year Kelce has only missed 2 regular season games. Those were bother week 17 when division was locked up. Kelce would have to play until hes 40 to pass Tony G. It’s doable but at what point does he actually slow down because hes 33 and he just gets better with age

Thanks for jinxing him

Hardware beats longevity. Kelce is the best TE in Chiefs history, Gonzo can lick my balls.

I think TK can be pretty elite for another 2-3 years. But after 35 years of age, and playing as many games as he has played.....that's asking for more than "a lot", IMO. I think it's probable that he could average between 1100-1200 yards/season over the next 2-3 years. After that? Injuries have a way of finding older bones when they've been heavily utilized over (what will be at age 35) a 12-year career.

Dude has been absolutely elite in the staying healthy department, so maybe he's a unicorn of sorts? I sure as hell hope so :)

They're TEs. They don't have enough impact on a Super Bowl run to hold that against them.

I don't know if he's hitting Tony's yard and I didn't think he'd be able to contend for GOAT because he was older when starting out but at this point, I think he's entered the conversation pretty convincingly. If he gets 2 more 1k seasons, I think it starts to get hard to argue that he's not the GOAT. Sustained dominance and already has done things no other TE has ever done.

I would imagine he's a lock for the HOF at this point... he could retire today and get the nod on his first attempt.

Kelce certainly did. There's no way KC wins the Super Bowl without him.

Tony played 17 seasons, which is just jaw dropping to me. As a freakin TE.

And how many games did he miss? 2. That's it. As a TE.

That's bonkers. Kelce has definitely outproduced him thus far, but he already lost a year as a rookie due to his injury, not to mention that Tony left college as a true junior, and Kelce left as a redshirt senior. So in a way, he's kind of 3 years behind in terms of the amount of time he has to catch Tony by the time he hits Tony's age at retirement.

He's going to have have to play past that mark by a couple of seasons, and I'm not sure how that's going to go.

But hey... sports medicine these days, man.

Agreed, but that's not my argument.

Simplest way to look at it..

Kelce in the four seasons prior to Mahomes:

2014: Missed playoffs entirely
2015: 128 yards and 0 TDs in win @ HOU followed by 23 yards and 0 TDs @ NE (loss)
2016: 77 yards and 0 TDs vs PIT (loss)
2017: 66 yards and 0 TDs vs TEN (loss)

I don't even need to show the stats after Mahomes. They're basically night and day.

Gonzalez was a victim of playing for a shitty team for many years. You swap them magically and the late 90s-late 00s Chiefs don't fare any better in the postseason while I'm not sure we don't still end up with a Super Bowl win in 2019.

He should be in the HOF just for his orchestration drive of 13 seconds. That's legendary. How well him and Pat were on the same page.

And he masterbated in the general direction of a ref.

HOF worthy in and of itself

Gonzalez had more talent than kelce. But I don’t know that Gonzalez had the leadership to match kelces playoff success. And kelces numbers above are very good disregarding the fact that we had a qb who was allergic to the end zone. Even if I think gonzo was a better player I’ll take kelce over gonzo every day of the week.

OK, so apparently I do need to show the stats before and after Mahomes lol..

Kelce in the four seasons prior to Mahomes:

Four games total. 294 yards and 1 TD. 1-3 record. One Wild Card Round win. Never made it past the Divisional Round.

Kelce in four seasons with Mahomes:

Eleven games total. 997 yards and 11 TDs. 8-3 record. One Super Bowl win. Never failed to advance to at least the AFC Championship game.

This isn't about some bullshit like leadership. It's about opportunity.

Is a world without Travis Kelce absolutely dominating the NFL really worth living in? :shrug:

Praying for the second coming happening before Kelce hangs 'em up, because I don't ever want to have to watch him give a retirement speech.

I don't know, his hof speech should be pretty good.

only his way to another 1400 yard, 12 td season

Right there with ya. 5 years later though we can celebrate him getting a gold jacket.

We can cry together in Canton.

Dude just keeps getting up.

What's every fat pitcher say? "You can't pull fat...."

Well...maybe that's why the ol' boy never gets his bell rung...

I love Kelce and I'm damn near as nervous when he gets hit as I am when Mahomes does. What's allowed him to keep these streaks alive is that the guy is just a tank out there. His durability is just incredible.

mahomes put one on his BACK HIP last night on that key third down late in the game

HIS BACK ****ING HIP

mahomes may not be the GOAT yet but Kelce is right there

Look at the games played to get to the numbers. It's wild how many more those guys played than Trav.

That catch was insane for anyone, let alone a 6'5 250 pound dude.

Kelce was a beast without mahomes and with him. Even with Alex smith we’d be having the same damn conversation.

Sorry, but I 100% disagree on intangibles. Leadership is the difference between mahomes pumping his team up and grinding out tough wins vs Lamar sulking when adversity hits. It absolutely is what separates him from Gonzalez who was a more gifted player than kelce on a number of levels. I don’t know that there has ever in chiefs history been a better example of a player who plays every damn snap the right way than kelce. He does it with ability, intelligence and max effort. And I don’t know that there’s ever been a player who wants to win more then kelce, and that’s putting him up against mahomes who is insanely competitive.

In the end, that’s why kelce - a guy who isn’t as physically gifted as some of the all time great TEs including in his own teams history - still belongs in the conversation of all time greatest.

Kelce isn't as physically gifted as some of the all time great TE's?

Did you really just type that?

Yeah - we've talked about this before, but Kelce's size makes him look so much less athletic than he is.

That dude is just a massive man and he takes those looooong strides. So he eats up space with every stride and doesn't look lightning fast. And it makes his agility seem less impressive (or explicable) than it is because his build just makes him seem more normally sized than he is.

That guy is enormous and to be able to do the things he does at that size is just incredible. He's faster than you realize (well, he was - he's a little slower these day). He's impossibly agile for a person that size. His body control is damn near without peer. He's a truly incredible athlete.

I believe he is every bit as good if not better than the all time greats. Overall.

He is physically gifted but we’re talking about the best of the best of the best. We are talking guys like Gonzalez who was unguardable. Gronk who was impossible to tackle. Gates who had elite ball skills. Or witten who was an elite blocker.

What makes kelce an all time great is how he plays the game. Matched with being terrific on every level. Of all the TEs in history there are few I’d want more on my team and in the locker room than kelce.

An elite blocker. Ok.

You've talked yourself off the rails. Just log out.

Athletically what did Gonzalez, Gates or Witten bring to the table that Kelce doesn't? Sharpe?

This is nutty. "Elite ball skills" - jesus, you see Kelce turn and catch a back hip ball as he was going to the ground? "Unguardable" - have you SEEN the things that Kelce has done to some of the best Cornerbacks in the game? I mean he put Ward on his ASS on a simple dig route last year.

What in the what? Did he have Gronk's bulk? Of course not - but he's no easier to tackle because you can't square the guy up.

This is...an odd argument. I don't get anything at all you're trying to say here.

Gates had amazing hands.

Gronk was just....big. Like trying guard Shaq in the paint.

But Kelce's fluidity, speed, route running, body control.....LONGEVITY....all elite.

Gonzalez never had the speed and quickness that Kelce has. And his hands were suspect at the start of his career. Witten was good, but i'd never rank him highly in terms of being some physically bad ass athlete. Gates got ****ing fat in his last few seasons.

Oh NOW I see what DJ was talking about in that other thread...

Good grief :facepalm:

Among the best of the best, there are several receiving tight ends who were way better blockers than kelce. Gronk and witten were way better. As receivers it’s hard to argue against Gonzalez or gates. Even today mark Andrew’s and a healthy kittle is a way better blocker. The reason kelce gets overlooked is because it is hard to compare kelce to the all time greats by talking about ability.

I would still take kelce over any of these guys. So why is that? Sometimes it isn’t just pure ability that defines a player.

The only person overlooking Kelce here....is you.

As a WR I'd take Gates. That's what you're saying here. Seriously saying that?

Kelce is better than football than Mahomes is. Its just that Mahomes plays the most previous position in fewtbawl

I think people forget how unstoppable Gonzalez truly was. He was a physical freak. He was carrying offenses on his back where guys like huard and thigpen and cassel were constantly throwing him prayer balls.

None of this is to say kelce isn’t physically amazing. He is easily among the best of the best on ability alone. But sorry on physically ability alone if you step out of kc you’ll get plenty of understandable debate about if he is the most physically gifted of all time. And that’s why he is in my opinion criminally underrated when it comes to any GOAT discussion. I believe it is the combination of everything that in my mind puts him in the conversation for best of all time.

Name the TE with the most 1000+ yard seasons in history that did it in consecutive seasons.

Tony was great but he was a bit of a douche. Kelce is the Goat.

Oversimplify much? Wow. In no way do I put gates in the same conversation.

I’d say gates in his prime was more physically gifted. But playing receiver involves more than that. Kelce always knows where to be, runs outstanding routes, maybe the smartest tight end as a receiver to play the game.

As a blocker, there are many who have a pretty fair point that whereas kelce is an elite receiver and a good blocker, you have a guy like gronk who was a great receiver and an elite blocker. Even today, you have people ranking andrews over kelce because he can both block and catch really really well. I would still take kelce over them and it’s not because of pure physical ability.

Have you ever heard of the term "clickbait?"

Dude saved someones life at a restaurant by giving them the Heimlich. He can be as big of a douche as he wants if he csme to someones aide like that.

Do you think cooper kupp is the most physically gifted wr in the game today? Jesus how are people interpreting any of this that any of this makes kelce anything short of a dominant receiver? You seem to be stuck on this idea that any hint of homerism is a criticism.

Again, I’d take kelce every single day of the week over any tight end in history. That doesn’t mean he’s the most physically gifted player of all time.

Every game I watch I realize how much of a pillar Kelce is to this team. He is Patrick's foundation.

We're a luck fanbase right now. :rockon:

There are still people who would rank that can’t stay healthy Kittle over Kelce. They are doucebags.

Do you think Cooper Kupp has had even close to the sustained success of Travis Kelce?

This is what makes you stupid.

You sit here and talk about how physically gifted and unstoppable these other TEs are yet NONE of them have had the career success of Travis Kelce through this point in his career. He is easily on his way to being the best TE to ever put on pads and here you are talking about how all these other guys were just clearly more dominant. It's pure ****ing ignorance.

Mark Andrews is an elite blocker who is also plenty good as a receiver. Kelce is an elite receiver who is plenty good as a blocker. Again I’m taking kelce every day of the week but Andrews absolutely belongs in the conversation

That is always going to be a hard conversation point when you’re comparing him to a guy like gronk who was elite on both levels. Kelce is a better receiver but gronk is a hall of fame level blocker.

100%

Must really suck for the Doom & Gloom Brigade who shit up every gameday thread, they're missing all the fun.

****ing hell

I’ve said kelce is probably the GOAT.

Stop spinning this because I’m trying to look at this objectively. I said other guys were clearly more dominant? Go **** yourself. I’ve said repeatedly I’d take kelce over any of these guys. But in terms of pure physical talent when comparing him to the best of the best of the best there are plenty who don’t wear rose covered glasses who know there is plenty of competition. Of course there is. We’re comparing him to the very best of all time.

If you're doom and gloom at this point you haven't been around long enough.

The only reason there is competition is because Kelce doesnt have the years accumulated yet. He is the best TE to ever suit up without question. The only question is will he remain healthy to play enough years to completely shit all over the career numbers of a Tony Gonzalez.

On Kelce's current pace, if you gave him Gonzalez's 270 games played Kelce would beat him by 12 TDs and 4,000 yards. It's not even ****ing close.

I don’t think there’s nearly as wild of swings as there used to be where people went from believing our players were infallible to thinking they are terrible. Led to fans and even the players getting cocky to where we felt we were going to win every game in blowouts for 10 years. Last season brought us down to earth. I think we’ve learned to recognize we have absurdly good talent but that it’s ok to be critical every now and then. even the best are not perfect.

I feel like fans are in a way better place about loving the hell out of this team while also staying grounded in reality.

Every time that Kelce reaches a statistical milestone, it’s worth noting he basically didn’t play his entire rookie season due to injury.

Crazy.

Same for Mahomes.

Any time they throw up the stats by season, Herbert is always ahead of Mahomes and it bugs me because Mahomes has done it all in less GAMES but because he didn't start his first year and guys like Herbert did, they get credit for a "season" he doesn't.

Again, when did I ever deny that kelce has a good chance of being the most productive tight end of all time? That doesn’t mean he’s more physically gifted as a receiver than Gonzalez. That doesn’t mean you can ignore that gronk was productive while also being an extraordinarily good blocker.

My point all along is that it isn’t physical talent alone. And that’s why with the eyeball test kelce is surprisingly underrated if anything. He does everything the right way. He has hall of fame level physical talent but he also has extraordinary football iq and has Tim Duncan like fundamental execution, in addition to being one of the hardest workers on the field on every damn snap. That is something I didn’t feel we had from Gonzalez. Hell, gronk does those things but I still feel kelces entire package is better.

What puts kelce in the conversation as one of the best of all time is physical talent. What puts him over the top is a lot of those underappreciated intangibles.

No. It means I dont have to give one actual **** if Gronk was an extraordinarily good blocker when I say Travis Kelce is the best TE the game has seen.

Then you are a homer who isn’t taking the debate seriously

I have every reason to hate gronk and kelce is easily one of, if not my absolute, favorite chiefs of all time. But there isn’t a shadow of a doubt that gronk is in the conversation for GOAT at TE.

The Most impressive Gronk Stat to me: 92 TD's in 143 Games played. That's pretty incredible.

lol.. Come on, dude. I love Kelce as much as the next guy but there is quite clearly some question.

Like I said, the only question is longevity. Kelce has six 1,000+ yard seasons in a row and is on pace for 1,300 this year. The next best TE only has 4 in their career. If those other guys were so unstoppable then what the **** is Kelce?