***** The Official "Bashaud Breeland doesn't suck" thread*****
 

Just thought Breeland should get some kudos for his performance tonight.

His INT in the first half resulted in Kelce's rushing TD (1st by a TE in the NFL this season), and his swat of TB12's pass was the dagger in the Patriots' evil heart to end the game.

Great job, Breeland. Keep up the good work . . .

Agreed. Just turn that head.

No major complaints about any of the secondary at this place really. They're not all stars, but they're good enough to win a ton of games.

They can't all be Marcus Peters /CasmSar

I can’t help but think the honey badger is helping to speed up the development of guys like Breeland. That was textbook fundamentals and discipline coming together in the clutch. Really awesome to see!

He also had that nice hit going into the half which set a nice tone.

Dude came to play for sure today. He has cut down on his penalties by a huge margin.

Seems to be playing with a high degree of confidence. :thumb:

Has Andy been spending time with him on the bench?

Got a pick and made the game winning knock down
He was the man.

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Funny cuz a few minutes earlier Deion was trashing our defense as garbage.

He's no Orlando Scandrick.

**** Eric Mangini. He just said that Brady made a great play on getting that ball off on the last pass of the game and said Breeland made a decent play on the ball..... I swear get Brady’s cock out of your mouth

I can't stop watching this play. Over and over again. It was a thing of beauty.

It was absolutely perfect. Times it perfectly. Didn’t hit him earlier and put himself in a great position to get his hand in there to knock the ball away. Props for Mathieu as well on that play. He passed that guy off to Breeland and HB went to cover another guy

I cant help but think hes starting to hit his stride, post injuries, and picking up the defense. Fuller looks like our worst corner, id say we lost the AS11 trade but washington sure isnt winning it either.

All thanks to a 3000 post CP thread that directly lead to us signing this piece of shit a year or so later. It was meant to be; he’s the chosen one.

Kept saying we should keep Fenton out there instead of Fuller. Too bad he’s injured

Yea Fuller needs to GTFO, for a guy in a contract year, he's played like a bitch, thats when he even played.

Props to Veech and all his guys he brought in this year. You know he sat down with each one of them and said "We need you to beat Brady" And look who had the big game, all of Veech's new guys.

And dammit I hope we can find a way to pay Chris Jones. But I just don't see it happening

I really wish that Veach had signed him to a multi-year deal. Now he's going to be a free agent and will probably get a huge contract from another team. So that leaves us looking for another starting corner this off-season.

Breeland is average. Still draws too many penalties. We can always draft one. Ward is still our best CB

Takes two to tango. Breeland wanted to bet on himself. Chiefs could've either paid him the $6-7 million/season he was asking for on a multi-year pact or get him virtually free on a 1-year deal and see how it goes. It was a sensible decision from Veach.

And also this. Breeland has a great attitude and is a willing tackler who doesn't shirk his responsibilities. He also isn't an excellent athlete and could easily hit a wall sooner than we would expect. He's still susceptible to penalties because of his fringy athleticism. He's...fine. He made an OUTSTANDING play on that ball (as good a play as you'll see from a CB), but he also had a few really bad beats. The penalty, got juked out of his draws on the flea flicker, just flat fell down trying to hang with his man on the halfback pass.

Would I like to keep him? Sure, at the right price. But I'm not gonna go paying him Kyle Fuller money or anything. You'd like to see a player development pipeline where a guy like Breeland can be developed rather than re-signed.

Our CB's have been better than average this year, IMO.

If we can get Fenton and Claiborne healthy, this unit is playing well enough to win a Super Bowl with.

The safeties have made such a big difference.

The CBs can play team defense and actually get help when/where they expect it. So they cut back on freelancing and they just play.

It's impossible to overstate the damage that safety unit did to this defense last season.

Mathieu has been worth every dollar of his contract. Not only is he awesome safety but he’s a great leader as well. Stats don’t do the HB justice. He makes a impact on every single play. He’s getting guys lined up in the right spots, getting the correct calls, making tackles. He does it all

I'm not convinced.

He only made the INT because he was so hilariously out of position after being beaten by Edelman on a simple slant.. the 4th down swat to save the game was a great play, though. He easily could have panicked and gotten really grabby trying to go over top of the receiver to get a hand on the ball.

Mathieu brought it up to someone on Twitter, but the slant isn't Breelands job there. I believe he passed it off.

Yep he even said the same thing when talking to Deion

I still think not getting him last year was a costly mistake.

This guy is legit.

That's factually incorrect. Breeland was exactly where he was suppose to be. Brady was fooled by the coverage.

Well if Mathieu says so then that’s fine.

It was tough to tell without knowing the call because someone ****ed up. Ragland was trailing that man while Edelman ran underneath.

Oh, I think he's a little better than average.

You'll notice though, they got after him a lot more than they do Ward. That's a nice sign of respect to Ward.

That hit was nice as hell lol.

If not Breeland, someone definitely messed their assignment up on that play

https://i.imgur.com/75MqU5n.gif

Sure looks like Ragland. And if Ragland was really in man on the TE there, then it looks like Hitchens has just hit the back of his 'drop' and is starting to come downfield to blast anyone on the cross (though he's late) and he reads Brady's eyes so he starts to bail.

Hard to really be positive at all, but it looks like MAYBE Hitchens took a false step to stick with the inside slot guy (probably supposed to drop him off to Wilson with Mathieu maybe providing help over the top) and it let Edelman get clean out of his break. If Ragland wasn't supposed to be dropping off the TE there to take that short zone, then it almost has to have been Hitchens that ended up responsible for it.

Ward is clearly in man on the bottom of the field but that doesn't mean that Breeland was supposed to be up high. He could been in a zone there and passing Edelman to Hitchens fairly easily.

After watching that clip about a hundred times, it's pretty obvious that Breeland wasn't supposed to follow Edelman across the field. It was subterfuge; he was always supposed to fall up-field. It was a trap and it worked.

Though it seems obvious that someone was supposed to cover Edelman (can't leave him just wide open?), but not sure who that was supposed to be.

Not Ragland; he's not in any position to cover Edelman once he turns up-field to trail the TE. It's an impossible ask for him, or really any LB from where the play starts.

Maybe Hitchens?

Well unless Ragland was never suppose to trail the TE and it was supposed to be Breeland picking him up on an exchange just like he did. If he was supposed to just pop the TE off the line to knock him off his route and then stay in a short zone on the left side, that would seem to cover Edelman out of his break, then Hitchens takes him as he comes across.

That puts a TON of stress on Thornhill because the inside guy from the bunch formation (81?) got behind Mathieu as Mathieu picked up the RB and Ward was in man, so if Brady had seen Breeland and waited out that route, Thornhill would've had a touch choice on who to provide help to, the deep crosser or the possible deep flag from the TE.

But that's the kind of thing you can risk when you have Thornhill's speed and Tom Brady's wobble-launcher of an arm.

That Patriots offense has some REAL problems if they can't get their running game picked up in a big way. Anything beyond a 3rd and 5 means they need to get deep into their bag of tricks or hope for a busted coverage (or penalty). They hardly have anything to attack even the intermediate areas with.

Have we given this piece of shit a new contract yet

Our corners and safeties have been fantastic. Get Fenton healthy, and we're set in the back end. With our front four playing really well and our linebackers looking better, of course our D is going to look good.

Fenton is the one guy in this draft that I was like oh great pick, CARL, he's just gonna suck.



What a draft. It's as good as last year's is shitty. Hell even that Illinois center may eventually do something. Amazing.

The truly sad thing is that we KNEW our safeties were garbage last year. It's awesome that they addressed the position for THIS season, but what could have been...

I mean, that's not even close to correct. They've been passing guys off well for weeks now. How do you watch that and see Breeland at fault?

Are you serious? Watch the play. There’s a lot of shit going on. We’ve got some dudes playing man, others playing zone, some trailing, guys late to fill their zone.

I was wrong for making the assumption that he ****ed up. You’re just as wrong for assuming he was right.. we can’t know for sure without knowing the play call.

Ward, Fenton, Breeland, Claiborne/Fuller

if I had to rank em

This is possible also.

It's hard to say, because Ragland just turns and takes off after the TE ASAP; which is kind of weird, because there's no way he has the speed to keep up. In fact, he's beaten almost immediately off the line. Not to mention that Ragland isn't a coverage LB at all. At all. AT ALL. The only way I see Ragland being effective at all on that play is if he were lined up at least two yards farther up-field than he actually was at the snap. Then MAYBE he has a chance to jump Edelman as he catches the ball, assuming it's delivered at about the same time of the actual pass. But even then it'd be tough for Ragland to make that tackle, wouldn't it? I mean, Tom's not an idiot, so he would've delivered the ball when Edelman was even or past Ragland, and then Ragland really has no chance of catching Edelamn, so . . .

Is it possible that Edelman was really Hitchens/Wilson's responsibility? I mean they were both right there in the middle, and if the ball came to Edelman instead of to the TE, one of them would've probably been in a position to make the tackle.

I don't know. But Edelman wasn't Breeland's man on that play, that much is for certain.

Afterthought:

Maybe Ragland was supposed to chase the TE as part of the trap? Make TB think "well look at that ridiculous match-up, I just have to take that." Would Spags create a design that subtle? Would any DC? If he did, the man's a certifiable lunatic genius.

If we had Breelend last year which almost happened, we win the SB.

:sigh:

He was still hurt last year and his foot was clearly bothering him and he did NOT play this well last season.

He's clearly in a zone drop. I'm not sure how you can watch that and think otherwise.

Nah, no chance.

I mean how would you even have time to practice something like that? The only way - I mean the ONLY way - I can see that even being a gleam in Spags eyes is if that's a play the Chiefs have seen on tape literally a dozen more more times this season. Like if they KNOW the Pats are going to run that play at some point and are going to run it out of that formation. Then MAYBE you do that.

And even then, something tells me that the defensive version of running a screen pass is gonna implode horrifically far more often than it doesn't. The number of guys who would have to simultaneously make the correct call/read on that play is staggering. Nah, I don't think you could ever have an intentionally 'blown' coverage - the risk is just way too high.

As for Ragland not being a coverage backer - you're correct, but look at the personnel group. That's their base formation and at that point, you have on the field who you have on the field. Ragland's been playing the SAM well for several weeks and if he's gonna be your SAM backer, well you have to treat him like one. And that means he's gonna have to occasionally cover that short zone, even if it's Edelman running through it. You look at the fact that he'd have had Breeland over top of him, Hitchens crashing the middle and even Thornhill evidently with a shade to the strong side...well you're not actually asking much of Ragland there. You're not really even asking him to break up a pass - just see if the guy cuts in front of you and if he catches it, de-cleat him.

That's kinda all you ever ask of a SAM in an underneath zone like that. I don't think it's impossible.

Now I will agree with you that I THINK he was in a drop zone.

But I can't state it with authority. You don't generally see a guy let the WR get that far into his body, forcing him to turn his hips and try to break like that if he's in a true zone coverage.

I think that was a designed drop, yes. I also think that there was some really bizarre technique getting back into his zone, especially with that little jab step he took towards the slant as he flipped his hips.

That's not a natural movement if you're in a drop zone. I figure you don't let Edelman eat up the space that quickly and then you stay in your backpedal longer if you were intending to drop the whole way.

I mean unless your ultimate conclusion was that he was baiting Brady into THINKING it was man coverage to force the throw. But man, that's 4D chess kinda shit that you usually only see from the truly elite CBs.

And even his biggest fans won't call Breeland this super-savvy, elite CB, would they?

Yeah, I think you're right. That makes more sense anyway. And at least with Ragland chasing the TE, it does make the throw just a tiny bit harder to execute; not that much, but a little.

Not nearly as fun and interesting as the "lunatic genius" idea though.

What do you think about Mathieu's pick against the Raiders a week ago?

I think he probably set Carr up. I also think safeties are more able to do that sort of thing because they have the play in front of them and aren't responsible for primary coverage very often. I also think Mathieu has been notable throughout his career precisely BECAUSE he has shown an ability to do that sort of thing.

That's a skill that very very few players have so it's not one I'm just going to assume Breeland possesses or was demonstrating on that play.

Like I said, I think Breeland was probably in a zone look there, but I don't think we can take it as any kind of article of faith. There's a big difference between an average CB changing his backpedal and faking a jab step vs. a premier safety watching a QB and not breaking early.

While that’s true, both were zone/mix calls with elements of man looks. Spag’s scheme has been incredible in disguising looks for 3-4 weeks now. I’m certainly not saying Breeland is good; I’m saying the call put him in outstanding position to make the pick.

And I'm not saying he WASN'T trying to bait him.

I'm just saying I wouldn't take either as a given. He's a veteran corner; he's learned a few tricks. It's possible he was. And it's also possible he just screwed up and got a little lucky.

And then again, the theory I subscribe to is that a combination of a good defensive call and Breeland's generally utilitarian and somewhat awkward style is what led to that rep looking as odd as it did and he ended up in the right place at the right time.

My point being that he MAY have ****ed up and I think dismissing that possibility out of hand is probably giving him more credit than his track record warrants.

He was one of the best CBS over the last 7 or 8 games.

I wonder a lot how much pull the defensive coordinators have in the draft. I mean, Veach did have a bad first draft but a great second draft. Was Bob Sutton pounding the table for Breeland Speaks and Dorian O'Daniel insisting that they would be a boost for his defense? I think that most of the rest of the people involved in the draft were relatively unchanged to the best of my knowledge. Defensive picks were overall bad during the entire Reid era until Sutton was replaced by Spags. Is it a coincidence?

Thing about it is how effortless it looked.

I haven’t paid enough attention to Edlemans career to know if he’s lost a step, but he hasn’t lost that much. I know he’s been injured and whatever but that ****ing guy is always open.

Breeland made him look like a kid out there. Like blocking a 5th graders shot in basketball. Maybe it was more lucky than good but man it looked the part from the couch.

I must reiterate, that bastard is always freaking open. And he looked silly there, where there was no slip or bumped off his route or anything. Dude looked silly.

I have a hard time believing Sutton would shut off Matlock long enough to look at draft cut ups.

I suspect strongly, and I say STRONGLY that The Chiefs were planning on letting Sutton go, and had decided to go to a 4-3. I think they didn't want to blow up both sides of the ball in one offseason, opting to keep continuity on defense for a year since we were handing the offense to a then unproven 2nd year QB in Mahomes. Pat was better than anyone dreamed, and so here we are.

Speaks is not a known quantity right now. He was miscast as a 3-4 OLB, but not as a 4-3 down lineman. He's been injured this year, and so we don't know what he is, really. I think Speaks was a pick for the future; for Veach and Andy's move to a 4-3.

O'Daniel should've been Sorensen's replacement; basically your big safety/coverage backer. It doesn't seem that he's developed of course. But he's not a better fit in a 3-4 than a 4-3 skillset-wise.

I think they were looking at skillsets in a general way in the '18 draft; I think the numbers favor a 4-3 IF half the league is running a 3-4. I don't think they knew exactly WHO yet or what sort of 4-3 they'd go to.

This offseason, Spags was in pre-draft, and so I'm sure had some input on the shopping list. So it was a more targeted approach. It makes sense that it would be more successful.

In short, I'm saying Sutton was a lame duck, they didn't draft anyone that last season for his 3-4, they drafted in a general way for a switch to the 4-3.

Sorenson is one of the better players on this defense. I am glad to have him on this defense

He's never "sucked"

So is Breeland just gone? He made so many huge plays down the stretch. I'd really hate to go into next season with what - Ward, Fenton, and some draft pick as our top 3 CBs?

It doesn't seem like Fuller has what it takes anymore to be an edge corner - and Fenton seems pretty solid in the slot CB role.

We signed him to a 'prove it' deal and he proved it. He'll be able to get more than we can afford from someone on the open market.

As awesome as he was down the stretch, I think locking up Fuller and Ward would be a higher priority due to age.

I forgot I started this thread.

So glad Breeland turned out to be the CB that I thought he would be for us. Wish we could keep him, honestly. Again, he plays exactly the kind of physical, hand-checking style that the refs tend to allow in the playoffs, plus he defends the run like a safety. Gonna miss him if he goes elsewhere, but can't blame him. He balled out in the playoffs; really in the last two-to-three months of the season.

Congratulations to Breeland and wish him all the best going forward.

He did his job for us and got his ring. Now go get your money!!

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We’re ****ed unless we trade for Jalen Ramsey!!!!!!!1111