Wr round 1
 

So obviously the Chiefs aren't desperate for a WR. They do need one with Watkins probably leaving though. I like Pringle but I don't know what he really is.

If you're sitting there at say 29-32 and one of these big WR's falls thru the cracks, you take a swing?

This draft is pretty loaded at WR, so I wouldn't but if say one of the Alabama guys fell, I might think about it.

NAH.

We have holes to fill. In their first year, a WR isn't going to do much for you in this offense anyway.

Hill, Hardman, and D. Rob/or Pringle is still damned good.
We need LB'ers, OL, and CB's. Perhaps a RB in that mix, too.

DRob is a FA too. So it’d be Hill, Hardman and Pringle.

I wouldn’t unless some sort of injury/catastrophe occurs with Hill or Hardman.

Ya think D. Rob is going to be uber-expensive though? I don't.

We're going to re-sign SOME guys, just probably not the big money guys other than Jones. ( whom I think we will.)

NO!

I'd rather look to free agency and grab a guy like Nelson Agholor

A team that desperately needs WRs will overpay for him.

I wouldn't mind drafting a WR but not until late.

It's a deep class, I don't think you need to invest a first round pick to get someone that will work in this offense.

Trade Watkins for a 3rd or 4th. Whatever you can get.

Then trade down to the 2nd rd in the draft. Get a 3rd or 4th from some desperate team (there is always a desperate team).

IOL will be strong in the top of the 2nd. It always is.

Get your IOL, corner and LB. Use the extra 3rd on a WR

This might be a good year to go bargain bin hunting on a veteran WR who just wants to play with Patrick. Or a prove it year type.

I’d bring Robinson back for something like 1-2 years and $3-4M per.

Nelson Agholor needs a 1 year prove it contract so he can cash in the following year.

There is no better place than KC for that.

One year deal with some incentives. If he blows up we get a nice parting gift in a compensatory pick.

Hill, Hardman, Agholor, Pringle, Draft Pick

Sammy is gone. Don’t expect any draft comp in return. Need is to replace his skill set best they can.

I would agree with another thread where someone posted that the team should look for a WR who is best in route running, possession and YAC (what Sammy currently provides). Hill and Hardman to stretch the field. Kelce for intermediate stuff.

They could get that one day 3 of the draft or even a mid tier FA. Andy is pretty at WR development. Obviously, Mahomes accelerates that.

All depends on the market.

If Brady is back in NE do you think NE might be wiling to send a 3rd or 4th rounder for Sammy? I do, and he would be great there. Same goes with the Jets, Raiders, Bears....

WTF? You must not watch him. If you think our back up TE's suck, you'll hate this guy.

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https://insidetheiggles.com/2019/11/...r-latest-drop/

Philadelphia Eagles fans are once again upset with wide receiver, Nelson Agholor, as he dropped another touchdown pass on Sunday.
There aren’t too many guarantees in the football world nowadays. For the Philadelphia Eagles, though, they can almost always count on their wide receiver Nelson Agholor to literally drop the ball in crunch time. It has just become routine at this point.

I don't think a butterfingers guy is a good idea.


I'd rather just keep D. Rob.

I'm fine with D-Rob - I just think if you can sign a guy like Agholor on a cheap 1 year deal because of said issues, he has the ability to blow up.

If signed right, its a low risk, high reward idea, that's all.

guy's got bricks for hands. I don't see any reason to sign him at all.

No on spending a high pick on a WR.

Yes to signing a cheap FA or spending a later pick on a WR once you’ve addressed OL, CB and LB.

If Robinson can be reasonably retained, great.

Give me a Center or a Linebacker in round 1 this year. No to everything else, especially a wide receiver. Hell, I think I'd take a TE before I take a receiver in this draft (basing on where we'll be picking).

Round 1 is a good spot to get a CB, too, especially the back end of round 1.

Hardman was drafted(outside of Hill insurance at the time)to be a #1 or 2. You don’t go there again in the very next draft. Only teams like the Lions do that.

Exactly.

I really think we need to go CB in the first round. I could see a offensive linemen, but really like to use the first round to get playmakers.

CB, OL, LB in the first round or, if you are determined to have an offensive toy, TE. Only reason to deviate from these positions would be DL if we lose somebody like Jones. WR and RB can wait until at least round 3.

Hardman was drafted to replace Hill, i dont think he fits as a 2.
we need a big strong fast 2

Fiber takes care of that... :thumb:

If a top end WR slid close to us, I wouldn't hesitate. Shouldn't pass up an elite talent for need, but there's no chance Jeudy or Lamb are falling that far.

Lamb was kind of what I was thinking. There's zero chance of it happening i'd imagine, but if it did, yeah, that's what i'd jump at.

When you look at the mock drafts on here, its hard not to think that the Chiefs could be taking a step back in terms of offensive weapons next year. A real quality first round TE to be apprentice to Kelce would be an amazing addition to the offense, but I just don't see it in this years draft.

As said above, if some amazing guy drops then you have to. Otherwise, maybe we just take a middle round guy to develop and hope improvements to the O line overall improve the O next year in both the run and pass games even if the skill position talent is down a little.

With it looking like a real possibility that we lose both DRob and Watkins thought this was a topic worth discussing again.

If somebody like Tee Higgins, Laviska Shenault, or Brandon Aiyuk falls to us, would you take them?

I think WR class is so strong that there’s likely going to be a guy there that is BPA.

If we really love one of those prospects and think they will be elite, I think we should consider it. Unless we believe another position will make that much more of an impact.

Because the luxury of this being a deep WR class is that you can still get someone later. Same with the RB position. It just depends on how much we personally grade the prospects. If someone falls that we feel will truly be elite, I don't see how we pass it up. I could see the same thing with RB if we feel an elite one falls.

Now if we feel there is not a big difference between the prospects, then we can indeed wait. But same might be said for the positions of "need". Perhaps we think there will be O Line, LB, or corners just as good later in the draft.

We can worry about filling the holes later if a big impact player falls to us. That's just my perspective.

the only reason I would hesitate is this-

WR's seldom make a big impact as rookies; and this offensive system is more complicated than most.

CB's in particular can a)make more of an immediate impact and b)the extra 5th year on that rookie contract may be important as CB's get PAID even if they're just decent and we'll be in the middle of Patrick's massive contract at that point.

But this will be a draft in which I don't really care what Veach does. I figure he's earned my trust in his evaluation skills.

I'm MOST concerned about the interior offensive line as the one area where we NEED to upgrade.

I've been thinking about this, and I'm sure Veach does... Who do we have draft resources to replace or could we get the draft resources to replace? In my mind, right now, Sammy Watkins is not on that list. I don't think you can go out and get a WR of his caliber in the draft without spending a high pick, and then you're not going to replace those draft resources by trading Sammy. If you cut Sammy, you're losing the potential for any draft resources and all you are gaining is money. You're not replacing Sammy with a like receiver for less money than you could realistically spend if you restructure and extend him.

On the other hand, a player you can get substantial resources from and replace with those draft resources and still likely gain is Chris Jones. Jones is, in all likelihood, brining you a 1st round pick plus another pick and you're keeping free probably over 17.5 million per in cap space. So, even if you spend a 1st to replace Jones, you still gain a pick and probably 15 million to add to the roster after you deduct for added draft pick salaries. As much as I like Jones as a player, I really think the best way to make this team better is to tag and trade him and keep Sammy on an extension.

I can agree with that. I hope we can find a way to keep Jones. But I don't know if it will be realistic. It helps that we have a lot of young talent on the D Line ready to step up. And staples to our defense like Clark and Honey Badger on the roster. Depth on defense likely makes our defense better. Maybe it is still possible if we can keep Jones but we will see.

I don't see us going WR early, fine with D Rob walking, would love to see us keep Watkins at a lower contract but more likely we find a quality vet for cheap. Chris Jones Tag'n Trade seems likely. Maybe Chiefs end up with Watkins > Jones.

Q: If offered a fair contract, why would AJ Green choose NE over KC?

Here's some vets that could replace Robinson/Watkins: Emanual Sanders, Phillip Dorsett, Robby Anderson, Demarius Thomas, Jermaine Kearse.

a 1st round WR this year would be an over investment in the position IMO.

We Paid Hill top WR money he's only 25
We used our top pick on Hardman last offseason

Im not opposed to drafting one, but not one in the first round. We have bigger needs on the line and at CB.

And this is a deep draft for WR talent. Guys like Tyler Johnson or Von Henderson are good fits and may make it to the 4th round.

Shenault in our offense wouldn't be fair to the rest of the league.

I was kind of thinking how sick Jalen Reagor could be as an addition. Which speed are you covering?

It's really not a bad idea to take a WR in the 1st. If I heard right there are like 52 WR's invited to the combine which is a HUGE pool to choose from. When you have a pool like this the quality you can pick up is off the charts.

We can draft defense with the rest of the draft.

If there is not a LT, CB or Pass Rusher worthy then I hope we trade back.

It's sort of win win, either an elite guy drops to the end of the round due to the depth of talent, or what we can get in the third might be as good as what was in the 2nd round last year and it's sort of like trading up for free.

The only reason a team would trade for Sammy right now is if they thought it was very likely he would restructure with the Chiefs at a big pay cut. In that scenario, they'd contact the Chiefs with a trade deal and offer Sammy better compensation. Otherwise, you'd just wait for him to be cut and scoop him up.

It seems very unlikely that we would receive any draft picks for Sammy at this point.

Been thinking about this again. The more I look at boards and who the Chiefs have looked at, the more Tee Higgins looks like a real possibility at 32. I really like Higgins for a variety of reasons but being that big target when things get tight in the red zone helps his cause more than any other.

Higgins would be very hard to pass on. He would compliment Hardman and Hill perfectly.

The guy that fits perfectly in this offense and you can get him late second or early to mid 3rd round is Lynn Bowden Jr. His size and skill set is a perfect match. He is a dynamic receiver and punt returner plus he also played QB, Andy could use him in multiple ways.

I want to give Mahomes toys, but I don't see spending a first on a WR. He'd be fourth or fifth in line for touches. We're not a place where we're developing people. We're in a place where we're trying to put the best 22 on the field so we can keep winning Super Bowls. We should be concentrating on short term goals from my perspective.

I can agree with you in terms of the 1st round pick but that's a place where I'm more of the thought that you just look to improve a spot regardless. If it fills an immediate need, then great.

Outside of that, I honestly hope Veach takes the exact opposite approach. I think you are, ideally, drafting to replace what you expect to lose. The Chiefs stand to lose a starter and/or quality depth in 2021 at WR, CB, DE, RB, and SLB. You look at difficulties players have digesting Reid's playbook, drafting a couple of WRs in 2021 is less than ideal. You'd like to see one come this year.

Denzel Mims is my guy, no links with the Chiefs though so I doubt he gets taken at 32 if hes there.