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O.city 01-10-2020 12:27 PM

Andy and his clock management
 
https://twitter.com/ringer/status/12...288648704?s=21


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F150 01-10-2020 12:30 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You may think Andy Reid doesn’t understand clock management, but he might actually have a better understanding of it than you’d think. People close to the Chiefs head coach—from Joe Banner to Steve Mariucci to Michael Vick—explain.<a href="https://twitter.com/Danny_Heifetz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Danny_Heifetz</a>: <a href="https://t.co/boAWYonjHA">https://t.co/boAWYonjHA</a></p>&mdash; The Ringer (@ringer) <a href="https://twitter.com/ringer/status/1215701397288648704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

chiefzilla1501 01-10-2020 12:33 PM

I'm not going to comment on mistakes in game management. My bigger issue is his intentional approach to managing games. We HAVE to better in the second halves when protecting the lead. We can blame whomever we want but everyone from Reid to mahomes (yes, mahomes) become very ineffective in those situations. Consistently.

We need to keep our foot on the gas when we're up.

ToxSocks 01-10-2020 12:51 PM

I havent read the article yet, but ive always thought this "he can't manage the clock" was a bunch of bullshit.

It doesn't always work out, like scoring back to back at the half. But you can usually see what he's trying to do.

Megatron96 01-10-2020 01:01 PM

Every coach has their own 'clock management' strategy. Some employ metrics, some don't. And none are always right. Google Bill Belichick's worst clock management decisions, and you'll find plenty of mistakes that the great Bill made over the years.

Andy's 'issues' are only in the spotlight because he's basically the winning-est coach without a ring. So now we have this lazy man's narrative.

And even when he wins a ring, this nonsense will follow him just 'because.'

Coochie liquor 01-10-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14708868)
Every coach has their own 'clock management' strategy. Some employ metrics, some don't. And none are always right. Google Bill Belichick's worst clock management decisions, and you'll find plenty of mistakes that the great Bill made over the years.

Andy's 'issues' are only in the spotlight because he's basically the winning-est coach without a ring. So now we have this lazy man's narrative.

And even when he wins a ring, this nonsense will follow him just 'because.'

Hopefully it does down some after we hoist the Lombardi in February.

Wallcrawler 01-10-2020 02:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-bsHJt1-_M

1:05.

Hydrae 01-10-2020 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14708810)
I'm not going to comment on mistakes in game management. My bigger issue is his intentional approach to managing games. We HAVE to better in the second halves when protecting the lead. We can blame whomever we want but everyone from Reid to mahomes (yes, mahomes) become very ineffective in those situations. Consistently.

We need to keep our foot on the gas when we're up.

This all day long. I want to see the playbook opened up all the way these next three games and show the rest of the league that we are here to stay and this is what they have to contend with for many, many years to come.

mdchiefsfan 01-10-2020 03:22 PM

Great read. Thank you for sharing.

FringeNC 01-10-2020 03:25 PM

I think Reid's clock management issues are overblown. There are very few coaches better than Reid, but he's not perfect: he was too loyal to Bob Sutton, and he's much too risk-averse on 4th downs.

Pitt Gorilla 01-10-2020 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 14709168)
This all day long. I want to see the playbook opened up all the way these next three games and show the rest of the league that we are here to stay and this is what they have to contend with for many, many years to come.

One pick-six on an "open-playbook" play and fans would be calling for his head. "Just run the damn ball! We were up 17! That's a 14-point swing!!!!1"

Hydrae 01-10-2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14709260)
One pick-six on an "open-playbook" play and fans would be calling for his head. "Just run the damn ball! We were up 17! That's a 14-point swing!!!!1"

I keep trying to remember (or find) that old quote from Gunther about the wailing and lamentations of his enemies. It would fit into this quite well.

DaFace 01-10-2020 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14708845)
I havent read the article yet, but ive always thought this "he can't manage the clock" was a bunch of bullshit.

It doesn't always work out, like scoring back to back at the half. But you can usually see what he's trying to do.

Agreed. In very rare situations, he has made actual mistakes in clock management. More often, he just makes decisions that are different than we like (particularly with regard to burning clock with a lead). The reality is that burning clock with a lead works out a vast majority of the time. It just makes the games much less comfortable to watch.

MahiMike 01-10-2020 06:33 PM

Clock management and aggressiveness are 2 different things. There's a science to clock management. A mathematical formula based on predetermined scenarios.

Aggressiveness on the other hand (keeping the pedal down) has to do with one's personality. Anyone that has played poker knows that they need to be more aggressive. But not everyone has the personality that lets them feel comfortable enough to do it.

AussieChiefsFan 01-10-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14709498)
Clock management and aggressiveness are 2 different things. There's a science to clock management. A mathematical formula based on predetermined scenarios.

Aggressiveness on the other hand (keeping the pedal down) has to do with one's personality. Anyone that has played poker knows that they need to be more aggressive. But not everyone has the personality that lets them feel comfortable enough to do it.

This is an interesting take. But I agree. The confidence needs to be there.

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TinyEvel 01-10-2020 07:16 PM

IIRC it seems he make the biggest goofs when we have the ball right before halftime. But it was much worse and more frequent in 2015 /16 the earlier tenure.

-King- 01-10-2020 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14709260)
One pick-six on an "open-playbook" play and fans would be calling for his head. "Just run the damn ball! We were up 17! That's a 14-point swing!!!!1"

Yep.

TinyEvel 11-02-2024 12:52 PM

Bump. Just because I remember being really frustrated with Andy's clock management back in 2015-2018. Blown timeouts at odd times (once back-to-back) and just weird mismanagement that left points on the field seemingly always right before halftime.

Feels like all that has gone away. They did a great job sneaking in 3 points before the half against LV.

DaFace 11-02-2024 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 17777750)
Bump. Just because I remember being really frustrated with Andy's clock management back in 2015-2018. Blown timeouts at odd times (once back-to-back) and just weird mismanagement that left points on the field seemingly always right before halftime.

Feels like all that has gone away. They did a great job sneaking in 3 points before the half against LV.

Yeah, feels like that's been years ago. If anything, I feel like we're one of the best clock management teams in the league.

Obviously it helps to have a QB who can score in 13 seconds or 10 minutes depending on the situation, though.

Couch-Potato 11-02-2024 02:29 PM

Dated stereotype.

Coochie liquor 11-02-2024 03:16 PM

I’d say he’s currently best in the league at it. He knows exactly what to do to bleed the clock at the end of games, or get us in position to get down the field to score with only seconds to go. Also wanna add his “inability to run the ball” is completely wrong at this time. Definitely was a bit of an Achilles heel at times during his career, but he’s dialed in to exactly what this team has and what we excel at. We are so effing blessed to have him here.

dlphg9 11-02-2024 03:52 PM

I've never thought Andy was bad with clock management and it was always significantly over blown. The one thing I have more than pretty much anything when it comes to those complaints are the "he scored too fast" shit. It's hard to score and if you're down by more than a FG, then you should score as fast or as easily as possible.

dlphg9 11-02-2024 03:55 PM

Ever since Andy got Mahomes there isn't a better team in the league at preserving TOs for the end of the half/end of game, than the Chiefs. When we had Alex it seemed like he'd burn TOs pretty regularly.

TheGuardian 11-02-2024 04:15 PM

I was wondering at first why this was bumped, because Andy figured out whatever clock management issues it was he had, and basically ended whatever weakness in coaching he had.


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