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FloridaMan88 02-04-2020 11:47 AM

Raiders/Broncos Epic Fear of the Chiefs/Mahomes
 
Apparently no one cares enough about the Chargers to fear/feel anything, but the Raiders and Broncos are scared shitless...

From the Las Vegas Review Journal regarding the Raiders:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports...homes-1947703/

Quote:

The current obstacle: Patrick Mahomes.

It doesn’t appear he’s going anywhere for some time.

Your move, Las Vegas.

Catch him if you can.

Mahomes is the NFL’s weekly example of an electric current charging across a 100-yard field.

It’s not so much about protecting a quarterback — although that helps — as it was against the likes of Buchanan and Bell and Lanier.
Rather, it’s about getting to one.

Which, when it comes to Mahomes, can feel hopeless at times.

In four career starts (and wins) against the Raiders, he is 82-of-135 passing for 1,194 yards with 11 touchdowns and one interception.
Gulp, is right.

“Obviously, the Chiefs are the team we haven’t been able to beat in the division lately,” said Davis, whose team is 2-12 against Kansas City since 2013. “It’s one of the reasons we drafted edge rushers (in Clelin Ferrell and Maxx Crosby) last year. We need more of them. We need another guy up the middle against Mahomes. We need linebackers to hold the edge. We need guys who can cover (Chiefs tight end) Travis Kelce and all their speed outside.

“Patrick Mahomes is unlike anyone else — he’s the monster now — and we need to improve all our phases of defense to deal with him.”
From the Denver Post regarding the Broncos:

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/02/0...hiefs-broncos/

Quote:

Denver, we have a problem. Super Bowl MVP Patrick Mahomes is face that will haunt Broncos’ nightmares for next decade.

Denver, we have a problem. His name is Patrick Mahomes, the face of the NFL’s future. This young Chiefs quarterback is the biggest thing to hit Kansas City since Arthur Bryant, or at least Len Dawson.

Mahomes is not only the NFL’s new above-the-marquee star, he’s the face destined to haunt the Broncos’ nightmares for the next decade.

Denver, we have a problem. What on earth can the Broncos do to about Mahomes? You mean other than dream about Tennessee running back Derrick Henry joining the orange and blue as a free agent? Not much, unless you consider begging for mercy a viable option.

Halfcan 02-04-2020 11:52 AM

Mahomes is 4-0 against the Faders and already has 5 wins against the Cheating Donks.

Both teams have QB issues and average defenses.

Looks like it might be another sweep year coming up in 2020!

Chiefspants 02-04-2020 12:18 PM

I'll just create a repo of these types of articles here:

It was amazing how many articles like this popped up from opposing teams websites during the playoff run.

https://www.republicworld.com/sports...ssessment.html

(The quotes from Haircut Davis in the above article are incredible - he calls Mahomes a monster and says countering him is the Raiders top priority).

Quote:

Raiders owner Mark Davis: "Patrick Mahomes is unlike anyone else — he’s the monster now — and we need to improve all our phases of defense to deal with him.
Pretty amazing contrast to 2 and a half years ago, where Raiders fans reacted to the Mahomes pick like this (seriously, check this out): https://www.reddit.com/r/oaklandraid...tm_name=iossmf

https://theathletic.com/1550678/2020...day-challenge/

The above article is great, and talks about how countering Patrick Mahomes is quickly becoming the rival AFCW teams top priority.

https://www.9news.com/article/sports...3-b548b2f72ce3

This article talks about how Drew Lock needs to develop into a great QB for the Broncos to have a realistic chance at competing with the Chiefs. It's a pretty good article - and features this section.

Quote:

Mahomes is Michael Jordan great.

A few months past his 24th birthday, Mahomes was the NFL MVP in his first season as a starter in 2018 and did even better in 2019 by demonstrating uncommon toughness and competitiveness while overcoming a dislocated knee injury to lead the Chiefs to the Super Bowl, then a fourth quarter rally to capture the world championship and trip to Disney World as MVP in LIV.

RELATED: Simmons has no qualms with agent Hurtado now serving Broncos interests

Yes, a Super Bowl MVP is better than a league MVP every time. Watch Mahomes’ body language and expressions during a game and it’s easy to conclude he not only has Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods’ talent, he has Jordan and Woods’ ever-present tenacious pursuit of victory.
It concludes that the Broncos need Fangio to develop a 49ers like defense and for Lock to develop into a better QB than Jimmy G. If Lock can be a great QB (while not Mahomes great), that can be what the Broncos need to compete.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2020/...-filling-holes

This puts the heat on Elway a bit. One wonders if Elway's status as a Denver legend has insulated him a bit from the Broncos recent struggles. Not a lot of GM's would have a stretch like this without being in the hot seat, but outside of fan forums, not a lot of the heat has been directed at Elway, that may change if the Broncos continue getting routed by KC. It has a few gems, honestly the following quote is honestly a dream come true.

Quote:

It’s poetic justice then for the Chiefs that the Broncos GM feeling the wrath of Mahomes is none other than John Elway. The MVP quarterback is 5-0 against the Broncos, and his Chiefs team hasn’t lost a game by more than 7 points since Mahomes became the QB.
Hilariously, they then come to this conclusion - and you have to hope Fangio feels the same way.

Quote:

That’s why it’s more crucial than ever this offseason that Elway fortify the defense - particularly at cornerback and interior d-lineman (preferably an inside pass-rusher...or two).

Because the only way to stop the Chiefs is to stop Mahomes.

And that means a solid defense top to bottom. Although the offense clearly needs a lineman and probably another speedy receiver, it’s time for Elway to focus again on the D this offseason.
It is a new era, and what an amazing feeling that is.

tooge 02-04-2020 12:24 PM

Yeah, Raiders and Donks. Draft tons of Defensive players. Please.

notorious 02-04-2020 12:25 PM

Don’t bother with going to their forums. They either realize the truth and give props or are completely delusional.

There is no in-between. In other words it’s a lot like Chiefsplanet.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-04-2020 12:34 PM

No matter what the Raiders do on offense they have no hope beating us with Derrick Carr. They want to build a defense to counter Mahomes but they better not neglect the offense because Mahomes can eventually pick apart any Defense.

The Rams last year beat us 51-50 and thats where the Raiders are going to have to get to.

But Good Luck. we Still have Mahomes and they dont.

Pointer19 02-04-2020 12:41 PM

Is Patrick undefeated in the AFCW?

TwistedChief 02-04-2020 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointer19 (Post 14776589)
Is Patrick undefeated in the AFCW?

Lost to the Chargers last year on defensive ineptitude (**** you, Scandrick).

JakeF 02-04-2020 12:44 PM

Raiders want Tom Brady.

O.city 02-04-2020 12:45 PM

It's like looking in a mirror of chiefs fans for the past however long. It's delusional.

Yeah, the best way to beat Mahomes is to …….go sign a running back? Really?

I love it.

Reerun_KC 02-04-2020 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14776595)
Lost to the Chargers last year on defensive ineptitude (**** you, Scandrick).

That was more of Andy’s fault than the defense. Mid management of the clock knowing how the defense was playing.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-04-2020 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointer19 (Post 14776589)
Is Patrick undefeated in the AFCW?

Chargers beat Him last year 28-27 I believe

Edit : 29-28 Chargers made a 2 point conversion last play of the game

TwistedChief 02-04-2020 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 14776600)
That was more of Andy’s fault than the defense. Mid management of the clock knowing how the defense was playing.

Eric Berry - playing in his first game of the season I believe - yelling at other defensive players to direct them where to be? A receiver going completely uncovered on a blown assignment for the game-winning 2pt conversion?

Are we really still blaming Andy Reid for stuff like this? I thought we had gotten past such nonsense.

Deberg_1990 02-04-2020 12:54 PM

But Drew Lock?

comochiefsfan 02-04-2020 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14776622)
Eric Berry - playing in his first game of the season I believe - yelling at other defensive players to direct them where to be? A receiver going completely uncovered on a blown assignment for the game-winning 2pt conversion?

Are we really still blaming Andy Reid for stuff like this? I thought we had gotten past such nonsense.

Bob Sutton was responsible for really every single loss last season.

Andy was the one that kept Gramps far beyond his expiration date though so I can see the argument in the big picture.

backinblack 02-04-2020 01:11 PM

Well yeah. But also you know we have Mark Davis and Jon Gruden running our team, that’s a more pressing fear I think.

Broncos got more reason to fear Mahomes, Raiders fans are preoccupied fearing our team’s own management(please no Brady we don’t need New England’s trash).

Eureka 02-04-2020 01:46 PM

I don't think their "scared shitless". Mark Davis recognizes that Mahomes is a great QB in the division/league and his team needs to improve if they want to win the division anytime soon.

All other 3 teams in the division need to draft QB's to compete and one of them might get lucky and hit on a good prospect.

Eureka 02-04-2020 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backinblack (Post 14776682)
Well yeah. But also you know we have Mark Davis and Jon Gruden running our team, that’s a more pressing fear I think.

Broncos got more reason to fear Mahomes, Raiders fans are preoccupied fearing our team’s own management(please no Brady we don’t need New England’s trash).

New England wants to resign their trash to a 30+ million dollar deal.

backinblack 02-04-2020 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 14776777)
New England wants to resign their trash to a 30+ million dollar deal.

I don’t care let them. Better them than us.

displacedinMN 02-04-2020 07:53 PM

Nothing about the Chargers??? Aren't they going to win the SB next year?

FlaChief58 02-04-2020 07:55 PM

Feels good to be the team other teams hate/fear. Totally new experience

suzzer99 02-04-2020 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 14777670)
Feels good to be the team other teams hate/fear. Totally new experience

A generation of kids is going to grow up in Denver wincing at the sound of Mahomes' name the way I still do at Elway's. :thumb:

I bought my car at Manhattan Beach Toyota which became John Elway Toyota right after I bought it. Ugh. So all my free service and correspondence stuff I had to see that name. It's back to Manhattan Beach Toyota again. I guess he isn't the genius businessman everyone thought.

I remember when Elway tried to open up one of his furniture stores in KC. Like any Chiefs fan would want to sit on a John Elway freaking couch. Dumbass.

Buehler445 02-04-2020 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14777674)
A generation of kids is going to grow up in Denver wincing at the sound of Mahomes' name the way I still do at Elway's. :thumb:

I bought my car at Manhattan Beach Toyota which became John Elway Toyota right after I bought it. Ugh. So all my free service and correspondence stuff I had to see that name. It's back to Manhattan Beach Toyota again. I guess he isn't the genius businessman everyone thought.

I remember when Elway tried to open up one of his furniture stores in KC. Like any Chiefs fan would want to sit on a John Elway freaking couch. Dumbass.

LOL. Props for waiting him out but I’d have sold that bitch car and bought something else somewhere else. Tainted.

TwistedChief 02-04-2020 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 14777665)
Nothing about the Chargers??? Aren't they going to win the SB next year?

An obligatory:

The Chargers need to be terrified of Mahomes too, bitch.

TEX 02-04-2020 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14777674)
A generation of kids is going to grow up in Denver wincing at the sound of Mahomes' name the way I still do at Elway's. :thumb:

I bought my car at Manhattan Beach Toyota which became John Elway Toyota right after I bought it. Ugh. So all my free service and correspondence stuff I had to see that name. It's back to Manhattan Beach Toyota again. I guess he isn't the genius businessman everyone thought.

I remember when Elway tried to open up one of his furniture stores in KC. Like any Chiefs fan would want to sit on a John Elway freaking couch. Dumbass.

Shit dude, I would have reported my car stolen, then put a brick on the gas pedal and launched it through the dealership window.

Chiefspants 02-04-2020 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 14777665)
Nothing about the Chargers??? Aren't they going to win the SB next year?

In order to have fan writers you have to have fans.

TEX 02-05-2020 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14776637)
But Drew Lock?

Oh noes, they have Nancy Drew, WTF is KC to do??? :rolleyes:

UK_Chief 02-05-2020 06:38 AM

Yeah and Derrick Henry won’t help (see AFCCG for details)

prhom 02-05-2020 06:48 AM

The last two days I’ve listened to Denver sports radio a bit on my way to work and pretty much the entire broadcast consists of them discussing how the Broncos can have even the faintest shot at competing with KC. They are counting on us not being able to keep key players from leaving for big money once we pay Mahomes. That’s about the best hope they have.

Chiefspants 02-05-2020 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prhom (Post 14778423)
The last two days I’ve listened to Denver sports radio a bit on my way to work and pretty much the entire broadcast consists of them discussing how the Broncos can have even the faintest shot at competing with KC. They are counting on us not being able to keep key players from leaving for big money once we pay Mahomes. That’s about the best hope they have.

Mahomes contract is literally a top thread on the Mane right now. Basically the only hope is that Mahomes commands so much salary that the Chiefs become a Packers like team from 2011-2019 (which, if that is our worst case scenario, wow).

Imon Yourside 02-05-2020 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 14777665)
Nothing about the Chargers??? Aren't they going to win the SB next year?

They will be favored to win the AFC West next year, count on it.

suzzer99 02-05-2020 04:43 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� Worst to first?<br>�� Most underrated free agent?<br>�� Most important offseason?<br>�� Intriguing MVP odds <a href="https://t.co/jYG67dP6HY">pic.twitter.com/jYG67dP6HY</a></p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1225177278679633923?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol - already predicting the Chargers could go from worst to first. Let's just ignore whose division they're in.

ToxSocks 02-05-2020 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14776596)
Raiders want Tom Brady.

Tom Brady isn't that stupid. He wants nothing to do playing Mahomes and the Chiefs twice a year.

Imon Yourside 02-05-2020 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imon Yourside (Post 14779605)
They will be favored to win the AFC West next year, count on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14780011)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� Worst to first?<br>�� Most underrated free agent?<br>�� Most important offseason?<br>�� Intriguing MVP odds <a href="https://t.co/jYG67dP6HY">pic.twitter.com/jYG67dP6HY</a></p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1225177278679633923?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol - already predicting the Chargers could go from worst to first. Let's just ignore whose division they're in.

That didn't take long.

warpaint* 02-05-2020 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 14776536)
Yeah, Raiders and Donks. Draft tons of Defensive players. Please.

For real. It's as if these teams never learn.
Denver might have a decent QB in Lock though time will tell.
Not that I'm sold but he's already done better than I thought he ever would.

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 02-05-2020 05:02 PM

Raiders and Bolts are totally ****ed. The Donks have a small sliver of hope that Drew develops into an elite gunslinger, but fat chance he will ever get close to Mahomes' level.

DRM08 02-05-2020 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 14780075)
The Donks have a small sliver of hope that Drew develops into an elite gunslinger, but fat chance he will ever get close to Mahomes' level.

Not gonna happen. Lock's ceiling is a guy like Cousins or Stafford.

PorkchopSamwchs 02-05-2020 06:42 PM

A nice change of pace for those two teams. Now they can get a break from writing about how mismanaged their teams are.

dannybcaitlyn 02-05-2020 06:54 PM

Faiders licking them chops for Jones! We better try to keep him or tag and trade him to the NFC.

BryanBusby 02-05-2020 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14776622)
Eric Berry - playing in his first game of the season I believe - yelling at other defensive players to direct them where to be? A receiver going completely uncovered on a blown assignment for the game-winning 2pt conversion?

Are we really still blaming Andy Reid for stuff like this? I thought we had gotten past such nonsense.

If the Jayhawk thing didn't tip you off, it's pointless to respond to his dumb ass.

comochiefsfan 02-05-2020 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 14780347)
Faiders licking them chops for Jones! We better try to keep him or tag and trade him to the NFC.

Not a chance lol.

We will trade him to the NFC before we let him walk to the Faid.

rabblerouser 02-05-2020 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14777717)
An obligatory:

The Chargers need to be terrified of Mahomes too, bitch.

ROFL

duncan_idaho 02-05-2020 07:54 PM

I’m in Denver for work. Multiple comments about my Mahomes/Super Bowl desktop background. They were glorious.

It’s glorious. They know how ****ed they are, even the ones who claim he isn’t that good.

petegz28 02-05-2020 07:59 PM

I'm not above sweet talking Von Miller away from the Broncos.

Chief_For_Life58 02-05-2020 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 14779418)
Mahomes contract is literally a top thread on the Mane right now. Basically the only hope is that Mahomes commands so much salary that the Chiefs become a Packers like team from 2011-2019 (which, if that is our worst case scenario, wow).

I mean this is a concern for us. It happened to Atlanta and Seattle

petegz28 02-05-2020 08:25 PM

I don't think Mahomes money grubs. I think dude knows he needs his pieces and will do the Brady gig. He will make so much more outside of his contract it doesn't matter.

You don't see Matt ****ing Ryan in any commercials...do you?

Pasta Little Brioni 02-05-2020 08:42 PM

Look at how many of their pussy fans disappeared from this board

Chiefspants 02-05-2020 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14780473)
I’m in Denver for work. Multiple comments about my Mahomes/Super Bowl desktop background. They were glorious.

It’s glorious. They know how ****ed they are, even the ones who claim he isn’t that good.

Oh yeah - I work in rural Colorado, that is a feeling my co-workers have had since the Monday Night game last year. Before the game, I got a lot of trash talk that season - especially when I wore my Chiefs tie - first the **** talk was about Mahomes interceptions in the pre-season, then it was that he was in for an awakening against Denver’s defense, but after the left hand pass?

It was just complete praise and resignation. He got multiple Elway comparisons that day and a bunch of people were just in awe of how he played (even from opposing fans). Since then it’s been nothing but praise, I even got several texts and congratulations from co-workers this week. Some have a faint hope about Drew Lock developing into a solid starter, but most of them seem to be in that resigned state. The only trash talk my students could muster was that Mahomes “didn’t play that well” in the SB - to which I said, “wait which QB came back down from 10 in the Super Bowl?” But honestly, I’ve received overwhelming congratulations from my students this week, in fact. it’s been pretty amazing to see how many of my students have been sporting Chiefs gear and may have even got into the NFL following Patrick Mahomes. It is truly a new era.

Funkstown 02-06-2020 12:54 AM

I live in Redskins country, also have experienced tons of Raiturds fans being very scared. Not just that, also Ravens fans claim they would have beaten us in the playoffs. Talk about insecurity and fear. Never met any Donkhoes fans around these parts.

TEX 02-06-2020 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 14780062)
For real. It's as if these teams never learn.
Denver might have a decent QB in Lock though time will tell.
Not that I'm sold but he's already done better than I thought he ever would.

And yet Trevor Siemian had slightly better numbers than Lock at the same their respective careers...You're right to not be convinced of anything. IMO, his ceiling is Jay Cutler.

RunKC 02-06-2020 09:18 AM

Denver is doing a nice job putting pieces around Lock. Fant, Sutton and Lindsay are good. Shurmur is a good OC from Andy’s tree. It’s like they are trying to copy us.

Won’t matter though. They aren’t getting to our level.

TEX 02-06-2020 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14781307)
Denver is doing a nice job putting pieces around Lock. Fant, Sutton and Lindsay are good. Shurmur is a good OC from Andy’s tree. It’s like they are trying to copy us.

Won’t matter though. They aren’t getting to our level.

They'll be jockeying for 2nd, along with everyone else in the division for yeas to come. There will be no drama for 1st place.

burt 02-06-2020 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14781307)
Denver is doing a nice job putting pieces around Lock. Fant, Sutton and Lindsay are good. Shurmur is a good OC from Andy’s tree. It’s like they are trying to copy us.

Won’t matter though. They aren’t getting to our level.

I love Lindsay. What a great find for them. The kid plays with reckless enthusiasm.

Oh Snap 02-06-2020 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 14776540)
Don’t bother with going to their forums. They either realize the truth and give props or are completely delusional.

There is no in-between. In other words it’s a lot like Chiefsplanet.

I ventured over to a donk forum before we played them the 2nd time last year. There were many of their delusional fans that said they would take Drew Lock over Mahomes. Lock might develop into a decent QB. Maybe even a good one. Hes only played 5 games. So a lot remains to be seen with him. But There is a different between a "good" QB and a QB like Mahomes.

TLO 02-06-2020 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14780011)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� Worst to first?<br>�� Most underrated free agent?<br>�� Most important offseason?<br>�� Intriguing MVP odds <a href="https://t.co/jYG67dP6HY">pic.twitter.com/jYG67dP6HY</a></p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1225177278679633923?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol - already predicting the Chargers could go from worst to first. Let's just ignore whose division they're in.

WHY WHY WHY? EVERY YEAR.. WHY????

duncan_idaho 02-06-2020 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLO (Post 14781747)
WHY WHY WHY? EVERY YEAR.. WHY????


Because they grade so well!

Touring Ryan Tannehill as a potential MVP candidate is goddamn ****ing stupid, too.

warpaint* 02-06-2020 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14781300)
And yet Trevor Siemian had slightly better numbers than Lock at the same their respective careers...You're right to not be convinced of anything. IMO, his ceiling is Jay Cutler.

Meh.

I'm not a Lock defender nor a buyer. I originally had him in the Ryan Leaf category of bustability so to speak.

He's just doing better than I thought he would, has a lot of raw ability, & is still young so it's possible he could have a good career.

InChiefsHeaven 02-06-2020 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLO (Post 14781747)
WHY WHY WHY? EVERY YEAR.. WHY????

Because PFF...

...see what I did there?

Pitt Gorilla 02-06-2020 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14777728)
Shit dude, I would have reported my car stolen, then put a brick on the gas pedal and launched it through the dealership window.

ROFL

Chiefspants 02-08-2020 08:57 PM

Want to read something great?

Check out the Raiderfan reaction when the Chiefs traded up for Mahomes: https://www.reddit.com/r/oaklandraid...tm_name=iossmf


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