Day 1 - AFCW Thoughts
 

Ok, so Day 1 is done... what are your thoughts so far on how the AFCW teams drafted? Admittedly, I was unable to watch much college football last year, so I don't have much to add on some of these guys.

Chiefs:
R132 - RB, Clyde Edwards-Helaire (LSU)
Day 2 Picks - R2P31 / R3P32

Raiders:
R1P12 - WR, Henry Ruggs (AL)
R1P19 - CB, Damon Arnette (OH St)
Day 2 Picks - R3P16 / R3P17 / R3P27

Chargers:
R1P6 - QB, Justin Herbert (ORE)
R1P23 - LB, Kenneth Murray (OU)
Day 2 Picks - none

Broncos:
R1P15 - WR, Jerry Jeudy (AL)
Day 2 Picks - R2P14 / R3P13 / R3P19 / R3P31

I think the Chargers were trapped into taking Herbert there - maybe should have traded out. I like Murray, but they gave up a lot - they're SOL on Day 2. I can't really argue with the other picks by the Raiders or Chiefs - it's all value and who do you figure is better in your system.

Chiefs - I have no idea about which RB was the better option or if they would have fared better by taking Xavier or someone else.

Very glad Denver didn't have to move to get a WR - was holding out hope that Wirfs might make it to them, but that's how it rolls.

Denver needs a few things today, starting with OT/C... then they can look at DL, CB, would like to see a QB with last pick of R3 or in R4, depending on who is there. You can't invest in all these weapons and then not have someone viable if Lock gets hurt.

What are your thoughts on Day 1?

First thought this morning...**** Donk forever.

We own the division! Good luck stopping us from putting up 40 every game

Broncos and Chiefs did the best.

Jerry Jeudy should have gone top 5..it was incredibly stupid of the Raiders to take Ruggs over him.

Chiefs just added a piece that Reid/Veach felt was missing to make a very good offense unstoppable.

Raiders failed passing on Jeudy. Ruggs is not a #1 but a good vertical #2 like a Will Fuller. But they made up for it with Arnette. I thought Arnette was the #2 CB in this class..better than soft CJ Henderson.

Chargers did the worst. Herbert is a smart game manager, doesn't have what it takes to be top 15 QB. Murray is talented but a terrible scheme fit for Chargers defense as he is terrible in zone coverage. Guess their 5 fans can get even more depressed.

My thoughts are:

Raiders: Drafted the fastest receiver in the first round, passing up much better actual receivers. Reached like crazy on Chris Carter’s son. D

Broncos: Having Jeudy fall to them was incredibly fortuitous. They didn’t overthink it. A

Chargers: They drafted Blaine Gabbert 2.0 (looks the part, stuff, mechanical, has shitty instincts) and gave up a bunch to go get Kenny Murray. Murray is a dynamic player with everything else they have, which saves them. C

Chiefs: Added a pass catching back who is more versatile in the passing game than Damien Williams, has better stop-start, and is a better/more patient inside runner. Based on the way it fell, the only option other than RB that would have made sense was a trade down - which was hard once Love was off the board.

Donkos - A. Got the best or second best WR in draft and didn't have to move any picks. A win for them.

Chiefs - B+. Would have preferred an instant impact defender, but really like the CEH pick. He will fit well in our system and make this offense MUCH tougher to defend.

Chargers - C+. Like the Murray pick, but gave up way too much draft capital to get him. Herbert will probably be a bust, but I certainly understand why they took him. Don't agree with it, but understand it. I would have grabbed one of the elite OT's myself.

Faiders - C-. Of the top WR's available, thought Ruggs was the worst fit for their offense and their QB. Good player, but questionable pick for the Faid. The other CB was a reach. Not a bad player, necessarily, but way overdrafted. Nothing the Faid did in the first round concerns me going forward as a Chiefs fan.

Jeudy isn't gonna be Julio Jones.....he can be a good receiver but that was one knock on this class there is depth but there is no dominator.

I think Jeudy will be in the conversation for best WR's in the NFL quickly. He's a wow prospect.

I think Lamb is Chad Johnson, Jeudy is a bit harder for me to get a handle on, on who I think he really compares with.

How about a bigger, faster, stronger Antonio Brown without the drama?

You need to send the Raiders a gift for taking Ruggs over Jeudy. I watched them both in every game they played in and my jaw hit the floor when the Raiders made their pick.

#raiderthings

I don't think he's as smooth as Brown was, Antonio Brown was on a HOF trajectory until he went nuts.

Trying to replicate the Chiefs....

Good luck with that.

I was happy with the move as well. I would have been happy with either, but I like Jeudy more, just never imagined him getting past 9.

The new mantra...

Yes, and Jeudy will be too. He's that good. Route running matters and Jeudy breaks ankles. He will always be open in the NFL.

Agreed. I couldn’t believe Jeudy wasn’t the first WR taken. Honestly thought Lamb would go before Ruggs also

Broncos- A Jeudy was the best WR in this draft and they paired an outstanding young WR to go with their QB. Add in that they could sit put in drafting him is even better. I hate the Broncos but it’s hard to argue that they did not hit a home run with their pick.

Raiders- C Ruggs is a high risk high reward type of player. He is lightning quick and hopefully his YAC is outstanding as they do not have the QB who can maximize his speed to the fullest. This is very much a product of Tyreek as they want to try and get their version of him. Unfortunately they don’t have anyone close to Mahomes to take full advantage of it. Their second pick was a head scratcher. They used the second of their two Mack picks for a kid who almost quit on football. When you trade away an elite talent like Mack for picks you hope to get back solid talent. Not sure Jacobs and this kid are worth the loss of Mack.

Chargers- C Herbert has all the makings of a bust. Outside of measurables I am not sure why people were so enamored with him. This is a pick they could end up regretting. Murray is a stud, but I question if their team is so solid across the board they can afford to give up picks for him

Chiefs- A If what keeps being said about Reid thinking this kid is better than Westbrook then watch out. While I like Williams and appreciate how he is a beast in the playoffs he struggles with health. We need a solid RB to pair with our offensive genius HC and the best player in football. While many think he wasn’t the best RB in the draft, Veach and Reid felt he was the best RB for this team in the draft. An already deadly offense got even more deadly. Fans need to realize that while the front office needs to address defense, they will always emphasize providing toys for the best QB in football. I think as this kid gains familiarity with the offense he will become a nightmare for opposing teams.

Day 2 for Denver needs two OL, including a center. And I would like a DL and LB.

Lots of quality out there.

Very interesting how the division is collecting the best WR's in the league.

Marvin Harrison

I like it... maybe we're set up for a decades worth of aerial shows within the division.

The Ruggs selection reminded me a little bit of Darrius Heyward-Bey from several years ago. Ruggs went further down in the draft and is probably going to be a better player, but it still had everybody going, "THAT'S the first WR taken in the draft?"

There are too many elite assets to what REALLY makes this Chiefs offense work. Tyreek Hill isn't just really fast-- he also tracks the ball in the air better than just about any other receiver in the league. Travis Kelce isn't just a big strong TE-- he does all of the little things to make his pass defenders miss-- he's just like a WR out there. And I'm not even going to talk about Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.

Yeah, you can get players you THINK are similar, but you're just not going to replicate this shit. The Raiders clearly think they can try to replicate it, and it's just going to fail.

Chargers:

Justin Herbert- I’m not going to give them an F because it’s. QB, but I do not like Herbert and didn’t even have his as a 1st round player, so for a top 10 QB that I’m pretty sure isn’t going to be much better than Josh Allen? D+

Kenneth Murray- This would be an A+, but since they gave up a 2nd and a 3rd to go up and get him and still don’t have a LT, I’m going to go with an A-.


Broncos:

Jerrry Jeudy- They got one of the top 2 WR’s at 15. A

Raiders:

Henry Ruggs- I thought there was a significant enough gap between Lamb/Jeudy and Ruggs that I just can’t praise this pick even though I like Ruggs. It also doesn’t help that Carr can’t get him the ball downfield. B-

Damon Arnette- This dude is a pretty old rookie that was the 3rd best corner at Ohio State last year. I liked him in the 2nd for us, but 19 with Gladney/Johnson/Igbinoghene/Fuller/Diggs are all better prospects IMO. C-

I think the Chargers would’ve been wise to avoid QB once Tua was off the board.

Drafting Simmons and then a pass rusher would’ve been the best moves for them. They only had 30 sacks last year.

The Raiders only had 32 sacks last year. They signed Nassib which is okay, but they still won’t have much of a pass rush either. I don’t think it’s smart for a team with Derek Carr to try and outscore the Chiefs.

The Broncos grabbed the best player available at a position of need. They have a nice young group of receivers. Their ceiling really comes down to how good that OL and Lock are.

Chiefs are still the absolute front runners for the West for the foreseeable future.

The Raiders would have been way better off drafting Kinlaw and Jefferson with their 2 picks...

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...brating_being/

Damn Arnette is celebrating his draft selection in front of an adult novelty store...pleasure palace.

Kinlaw for sure. If I’m the Raiders, I’m not letting Mahomes sit in a clean pocket.

LMAO

He'll work out great in LV.

Really surprised at the price they paid for Murray.

It would be interesting to be in the room though. SURELY Mayock knows that. This sounds to me like someone standing on the table yelling this is our guy.

That just made no sense. I like Murray the player but they need OT's so ****in bad.

They are desperate to compete with the Chiefs and Gruden is friends with Reid and probably thinks speed is why he can't compete.

Said this 2 weeks ago. Denver is building a good team. They did a mostly nice job in FA and now they got the best WR in the draft to go with a very good amount of weapons they drafted in recent years.

Add to the fact that they are likely going to get Cushenberry or Jones on the OL.

It all depends on Lock, but it’s hard to see him not looking really good with the weapons he now has and the coaching he has as well.

Remember that Pat Shurmur is an Andy Reid disciple. Daniel Jones looked solid as a rookie last year under that guys. Hell Shurmur made Case ****ing Keenum look awesome in 2017.

Yeah and there are viable LBs at the picks they gave up. The value just doesn’t add up, I’m sure the Patriots were more than pleased.

My only thought is that it literally doesn't matter what the other three teams in the division do because Mahomes

Their ceiling is still probably wildcard early playoff loser though, Drew Lock is probably at best a mid tier QB.

Baby steps, I’ll take a playoff spot with consistent improvements. They have a nice young nucleus.

I'm talking about that group if they develop, todays game, doesn't matter how good the supporting cast is, if you don't have one of the elite QB's you lose.

We shall see... I think Lock has great upside, can easily be a top 10 QB consistently.

Jerry Jeudy reminds me way too much of Amari Cooper. Drops too many balls at the absolute worst possible time. I wanted absolutely NOTHING to do with Jeudy. Seriously, look at JJ's drop stats. It isn't good. I was hoping we took Lamb at 12 if I'm honest, but I'm thrilled with Ruggs. Kid doesn't drop balls, and his athletic ability is better (yes faster too) than Hill's, and his hands are impeccable. Plus he is a few inches taller than Hill. We needed the deep threat, not another WR that defenses can sit on. He opens it up for our Elite TE and Elite RB.

He isn't the quick twitch athlete Hill is, he doesn't start and stop like that......Ruggs upside is like Santana Moss.

They're all going to have flaws... and I think the top 7 WRs are all going to have pretty nice careers in the NFL.

You are wrong, but I suppose we'll find out. Ruggs had better measurements in all the quick twitch skills like the broad jump and vertical, and beat Hill's 40 time.

T. Hill (2016)
5'8 185lbs
Arms: 30.5" Hands 8.0"
40: 4.29 VJ: 40.5". BJ: 129"

Ruggs
5'11 188lbs
Arms 30.5" hands 10"
40 4.27 - VJ 42.0. - BJ 131.0

What really stands out to me is Hill's TINY hands. No wonder he has anger issues.

Ruggs doesn't run fast unless he has the ball or is running in a straight line.

Hill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ruggs

I think Ruggs can be a Will Fuller style WR for the Raiders.

Jeudy has the highest floor of the three WR. Least chance to bust but I do not think he’s special. Lamb should have been the pick IMO, but I’d gamble with Ruggs over Jeudy. Ruggs could flop but he has the better chance to be something in the NFL than Jeudy. His biggest hindrance is probably Derek Carr is his QB.

The “poor them” pick goes to the Chargers with Justin Herbert. We all know Herbert isn’t that great but the Chargers were locked in on QB and once Tua went it was just a formality at that point. Herberts the guy who has all the measurables on paper but it just doesn’t translate to the football field.

Ruggs could flop but he has the better chance to be something in the NFL than Jeudy.

Just running a fast 40 doesn't make him better than Jeudy. Jeudy is a wizard at the position..best route runner many people remember coming out of a draft.

Running routes to gain separation > Running in a straight line

I'm grabbing Jeudy in every fantasy league where I can..no interest in Ruggs.

If you watch them on film, you see Hill running routes full speed and cutting at full speed, with really great stop-start.

Ruggs has two speeds: 1) Max speed (seen only when he has the ball in his hands or running a straight ine) and 2) Route speed (about 75 percent of his max speed).

He's not smooth in and out of breaks and doesn't run them at full speed, which hurts his separation.

Jeudy is going to be a stud because he runs routes well and separates cleanly and easily.

When you watch Alabama guess who is usually farther down the field? Jeudy is at full speed on his first step...Ruggs behind him..

Raiders will never excel beyond mediocre at best as long as Carr is their QB.

Ruggs was a strange pick as Carr doesn't really stretch the field...Lamb is who I would have taken.

Raiders second pick was even more strange...could have landed him in 2nd round and drafted Murray instead,

Helaire's fit in Reid's scheme improved the Chiefs more than the addition of Ruggs/Jeudy did for their teams.

AFC west doesn't really matter with Mahomes being twice the QB as Carr, Lock and Herbert....they can battle it out for a wild-card berth for the next decade.

See they didn't really need Murray they signed 2 FA LB's.......their ****up is pressure is how you win, shoulda gone Kinlaw and taken the WR that fell in their lap which would have been Jefferson, that draft would be far better.

Maylock seems to have the "smartest guy in the room" complex...like he has information on players that nobody else does.

I used Murray as an example for missed opportunity...they over-drafted a corner for no reason.

He out-thinks himself...

If I was LAC, I would've signed Cam Newton for a few yrs rather than draft Herbert.

Roster wise, Chargers are ready to win now...they just need a solid QB. I think they have many other pieces in place, esp on D. Not sure if they can afford to waste yrs on their roster while Herbert hopefully develops.

I just don't think he's going to be good, thought the Chargers panicked.

This.

Even if you think Ruggs will be better than Hill (which is a major stretch), you still have to consider who is throwing the ball to each.

Mahomes to Hil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Carr to Ruggs

I took a shit today and when I looked in the toilet just before flushing, I thought of the rest of the division.

Broncos and Chargers have done a good job of bolstering the talent on their team.

It literally comes down to their young QB’s.

Or, more specifically their OLs.

Unfortunately for both, unless Lock or Herbert become elite level QBs it won’t matter much. They’re stuck in a division with the greatest QB talent ever and one of the best HCs ever.

Even if both become well above average, they’ll be lucky to steal the West more than a couple times over the next 15 years.

Tom Telesco is actually a really good GM, this year he either got his captains for both sides of the ball or he ****ed his dog...it's gonna be that kind of turnout.

His defense improved, but he hitched his offense’s wagon to Blaine Gabbert.

He’s going to waste a lot of really good defensive players with this draft. Sucks for them.

That was my immediate reaction to the Herbert pick and then again to the Murray pick.

“All of that talent on defense going to waste”

It’s so obvious that is what’s going to happen there.

I can already see them playing us tight for 3 and a half quarters before our weapons wear that defense down and Mahomes takes over to win it.

It’s going to happen over and over and over. We’ve been on the other side of this enough.

Some interesting looks at Day 2... don't care for the CBS draft as much. Always interesting to see how vastly different these things look right now.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...in-third-round

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...atriots-go-qb/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...319kygpa2tiihq

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/galle...2nd-3rd-round/

The AFC West is transitioning to an all offense, no defense Big 12-like division.

I must remember to revisit this thread at the end of the season.....if we have one

For the record I`m guessing Ruggs will be paydirt for Vegas....

Murray’s gonna be a stud, character and talent to spare... but they don’t have the program/staff to do anything with Bobby Hebert besides ruin him

Even though I allowed for the idea that the Chiefs could take a RB, I didn't think it was a probability. However, after watching every highlight reel I could last night, I think we might have gotten a steal with "El Aire." Lots of potential with this kid. Solid "A" pick.

Raiders are obviously trying to emulate the Chiefs with the Ruggs pick. Not sure what the plan was with Arnette, but he's talented, so we'll see. B-'/C+.

Chargers had to pick a QB. Not like they're going to rest easy with Tyrod as their QB past this season. Never watched Hebert so i can't speak to his potential. And Murray was a solid pick at LB. Of course, as a Sooners fan I might be biased. But I know if we'd picked Murray, I'd have been really happy. Solid B.

Denver did well picking Jeudy. Solid WR. B+.

Have not digested all of Day 2, but I’m loving the Cushenberry pick. And I’m intrigued by the two WRs. Still believe they need an OT, but we shall see.

Donks might only lose by 14 now...

Horseface got an immediate raging hard-on when the Packers selected Love....hoping he can get a 38 year old Rodgers "in his prime" once Lock flames out.

BTW Jeudy scored a whopping 9 on the wonderlic...which is just barely above basic motor functions. Lamar Jackson scored a 13....if that puts it in perspective.

I'm sure he and John will have lots to talk about....

Agim McTelvin was a very good pick as well.

I swear over the last few years, I never really care for Elway’s starts, but he usually does a good job in the mid to late rounds.

What you thinking? Might try to score double digit points against KC this season??

That burner from Penn State should be a really nice addition. Didn't want to see him at any other AFCW team.

I think Ruggs can resemble Hill and that Chucky will use him appropriately.

Yeah, Carr is no Mahomes, but there isn't a QB in the NFL today who can really compare to Mahomes.

I love both WRs the Raiders added in the 3rd. Combined with a TE that is maybe a half step behind Kelce, a stud RB, and a damn good OL, Carr can play like a top 10 QB. Last year he actually had his best year from a yards per attempt and all that crap, and we had dog crap at WR due to our mistake trading for AB and Williams playing hurt all year.

Not enough to threaten KC, but maybe a playoff spot.

Ruggs does not resemble Hill.

With the ball in his hands/running straight line, he has the same type of speed.

It doesn’t show up when he’s running routes. He runs routes at a much slower speed and is not in and out of breaks like Hill.

I’ve seen Santana Moss comparisons. I think that’s a good/better one. That’s a good player.

Ruggs will be a nice vertical #2 WR.

Gonna have to put up points in a big way. I mocked that WR WR thing a few times just for kicks, never imagined it would happen. I was afraid they would miss Cush by doing so, but they got him and that’s nice

They can’t fix it all in one draft, but I’m happy with it so far.

Denver was the rival that had the best draft so far.

Jerry Jeudy, KJ Hamler, Lloyd Cushenberry

Loved all of these guys. If Lock doesn't take a big step this year he never will.

Yeah, they have the weapons. Slot dynamo (Jeudy). Physical X receiver (Sutton). Explosive outside receiver to stretch the field.

Should create room for Fant and the run game. Pair it with Pat Shurmur running the show, and the Denver offense should be productive. No excuse not to (unless their OTs remain a fatal flaw).