Is the Saints 2 QB offense the future?
 

Very interesting pod today from our guy Terez Paylor. He mentioned specifically that everything he heard has banked on the 2 QB system being used and will be the next big thing. Terez even went as far as to say that football today could be viewed like the 80’s in 10 years with this type of new innovation that will create tons of new packages for offenses.

He actually makes it sound like every team will be getting one in the near future like the Eagles just did with Jalen Hurts.

The premise here is having that extra QB to be your Taysom Hill and put tons of stress on defenses by having him be a runner and efficient passer.

Sounds pretty interesting, but I would like the ball to be in Mr. Mahomes caring hands. I do admit I would love for Andy to put a few package plays in our playbook with John Lovett running this type of stuff.

Not a consistent thing obviously. But I’d love to see Andy trying it out

No.

Nope.

Mods, close up the thread.

Nah

They're gonna need 2 QBs to even try and match what 1 Mahomes II can do...

There are several former QBs on this team

Tysom Hill is the most overrated and overpaid player in the NFL....

Lovett is an interesting player. He can catch, was a QB in college and he can also run. I’m intrigued

Sean Payton and Doug Pederson. Two super bowl winning offensive coaches that are looked upon favorably in regards to innovation.

One paid quite a bit of money to Taysom Hill. The other drafted Jalen Hurts in the 2nd rd.

Not sure if this will be “the new trend” but I’m fascinated to see what some teams do with this model.

It would be awesome if Lovett is healthy. He could be a beast.

I can see him being the #3 TE this season. I’d much rather see Lovett try and throw than Tyreek or Kelce

For teams that have two QBs with completely unique but also limited skill sets, this isn’t a terrible idea. I can see a lot of teams finding it to be something they would look at.

However, for the Chiefs this is not something that would be of any use or consideration. It would be like going for a drive in your uncle’s 1988 Buick Skylark while you have a ‘69 Mustang Boss 429 sitting in your own garage.

No. If you have 2QBs you really have none.

The saying, “if you have two starters, you have none” seems to apply fairly well.

See? :thumb:

Every team has at least 1 backup QB.

Maybe if you have a 40 year old starting QB with declining arm strength.

Otherwise, no.

I've been waiting for someone to do this in earnest since Kordell Stewart. I thought that's what Tebow should have been, and I wanted us to draft Lamar Jackson to try it. To be clear, I'm not saying it'll definitely work, but I want to see it.

The Saints love Taysom Hill so much that they’re sniffing around Winston. And the Eagles drafted Hurts because Wentz can’t stay healthy.

"Not a consistent thing obviously. But I’d love to see Andy trying it out"






**** that.

Why would we want Mahomes off the field ever? He can run, and he can consistently make throws most QB’s don’t make in their life.

Saints just gave Taysom Hill a 2 years $21 million deal.

As for Hurts...

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Problem is Jalen Hurts ain't the same level of athlete.

For this to work, you need a guy who can run and catch fairly well. There aren’t too many QB’s that have all those skills and can learn a new position quickly.

Chad Henne runs the traditional drop back stuff.

Mahomes and Ta’amu run the gadget plays.

Trust in Veach and Reid.

If you have a Lamar Jackson or Mike Vick type of athlete in addition to a Mahomes, then you can probably come up with all sorts of interesting gadget plays and 2-QB looks.

The odds of have that sort of personnel is unlikely. It’ll likely never be more than a gadget type of look to cause confusion. Kinda like the wildcat.

Certainly not for the Chiefs for the next 15 years.

John Lovett is a much bigger, faster player than Jalen Hurts. He’s also been here learning the offense for a year.

I think people are taking this out of hand. I’d like to have Lovett be our do-it-all player. Short yardage, screens like Sherman, soe TE routes and 3-5 plays in the playbook of him throwing a pass with Mahomes on the field.

Keep in mind that Lovett would only throw a pass every once in awhile on a trick play forcing teams to respect the fact that he can pass and run at the same time. All it takes is one pass.

I’m not advocating for us to run the 2 QB package where the ball is out of Mahomes hands a lot of the time. I think it is fascinating that the Eagles and Saints are doing this though.

We could sign Alex Smith once he’s finally cut. :hmmm:

Sometimes people just overthink things. It’s fun for coordinators to come up with new things so they love the idea but realistically it’s pretty stupid.
-if you have a MVP QB why take the ball out of his hands? I’ll take Mahomes every play please.
-not enough talented people like this for it to be some catchy trend.
- what has Hill ever gotten the Saints? They have Brees. They can’t with out sprinkling in a little Hill? Did Hill lead them to some super bowl I’m not aware of? 10mil a year for some gadget plays and he can play some special teams, great!

He seriously is the most overrated player I can remember.

Pittsburgh did this 25 years ago with Kordell Stewart as a gadget back-up QB... it’s not exactly a new concept.

I think drafting a decent backup just makes sense economically.

I mean some back up qbs make too much. Look at what we have paid Henne. Now I don’t want to invest a 2nd or 3rd in a backup QB but in the right situation I’d be all for getting a QB in here to backup Mahomes on a rookie contract

Straight up.

The Bills drafted Frank Reich in the third round and he backed up Jim Kelly for 9 seasons and 4 Super Bowl appearances, one of which definitely wouldnt have happened without Reich's still-largest comeback in playoff history.

Fairly successful. Obviously was an asset in the QB room, considering how successful of a coach he's been already.

Or you could just convince a veteran QB to come out of semi-retirement like the Chiefs did with Matt Moore last year.

Even 2 QB fantasy leagues suck.

Truth.

This right here. Who's even entertaining this idea?
Good luck with THAT.

The Rams used Bob Waterfield and Norm Van Brocklin in the 50's.

In 1951 both passed for over 1500 yards, both had 13td'. Both were making pro bowl teams, this was more about having two equal QB's than a passer and a runner however.

In Partrick Mahomes we have a once in a generation QB, you don't mess around trying to get cute with anything, you leave this stud alone,

Here's a first....

1950 and 1951 both Waterfield and Van Brocklin in the pro bowl.

Personel and misdirection can work, but every snap that you are taking passes away from your starting QB to give them to someone less talented at throwing the ball, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.

The saints have a QB and a half not 2 QB

It might be neat to have 2 people who can lateral and throw it deep but it's a gimmick that will get run eventually like the wildcat or whatever

Tom Brady could be the first starting QB to be the 5th best in his division of 4 teams. Kind of crazy to think about.

Interesting in theory and fun for gadgets, but a dynamic offense of the future... dunno about all that.

Stick this guy in the slot at Mami, give him 6-8 might pass plays a game meaning the D is thinking....pass?

It could work there just not with us.


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55% comp% last season, so....???

Saints should have 4 QB's - that would really trick the defense. They would not know who would be throwing.

Lulz...Debergodante thread

After you blow 6 guys consecutively and swallow their load, do you pee or poop out cum?

Oh I got a tricky play. Put the defense in on offense. They wouldn't know what hit them.

If you have to resort to bullshit like this you aren't winning a championship.

Talking about a guy tailor made to pull off what this thread is talking about brings that, why?

Stay on topic son.

You didn't approve of Kelce running the wildcat or the direct snap to Williams?

And if the roads are really icy and there are a bunch of idiots on the road...

I'll take my chances with my Uncle's POS sedan.

Nope!

Not applicable when you have a Mahomes.

OMG IT'S THE RETURN OF THE TWO HEADED MONSTER

They're only doing it because their starters are unreliable. Brees is old as ****/declining and Wentz is just a broke dick. Any team with an elite starter (like us and the Seahawks) have zero use for this lame shit.

Has the 2 QB system ever worked? I don't recall anyone winning anything of importance while splitting playing time between 2 QBs. And you can't say Philly because they were playing Wentz, then he got hurt. It wasn't like they were splitting time between Wentz and Foles.

Takes a lot of nerve posting this on this board when we have Pat ****ing Mahomes.

Also the Saints initially acquired Taysom Hill as an undrafted free agent... the Eagles used a freaking second round draft pick on Hurts.

Doesn't seem worth a second round pick for a situational/gadget player.

I view it like the wildcat offense... it was "wow" when NFL teams started doing it again and that quickly faded. You do have a number of teams that have a few of those plays in their bag, but it's kinda no big deal.

This is something you can do when you grab that tweener QB that isn't really a QB at this level, but is an athletic freak and you're finding a way to validate him taking a roster spot. Now, Taysom did really well catching TDs, but this is not a new thing that is about to hit the league.

Exactly...

And the wishbone is making a comeback, too.

We just had that dude in Blake Bell and nothing really came of it.

This whole Taysom Hill thing is odd to me. I don't know why they value him so much. I'm not going to sit here and say I've seen a ton of Saints games last year but based on his production & usage I don't understand why he's so coveted.

He's also going to be 30 next season. If his best skill is running the football and athleticism, I don't quite understand the allure or why you would pay a guy like this almost 11M a year when he seems to only be worth 2M.

Just my hot takes, but no, the 2-QB thing is not the wave of the future. the 2-Qb thing is for teams that don't have a true franchise QB or they have an aging/oft injured franchise Qb that needs to be spelled for significant time during the season. If you have a Russell Wilson or a Pat Mahomes or even a Deshaun Watson you don't take the ball out of those QBs' hands for significant plays or minutes. To do so is just saying, "we don't believe our starting QB can make it happen in this spot."

amen!

Hmmm

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Brees is a big enough guy to share a piece of the limelight with.

Rodgers, though? :hmmm:

To the OP - No. PM2 is the future. And the future is now. Everyone else is just throwing stuff at the wall.

Just one less blocker or skill position player.

Cowboys alternated Morton and Staubach by plays. It did pump up Morton’s value so they could trade him for Randy White the next season.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qfQd1UZxhOU

Whatever we can do to create confusion among the pass rushers and slow them down, we should do.
We were blessed with Pat, let's do all we can to make this blessing last through the next two decades.
I'd love to see Lovett and Mahomes on the field at the same time on some gadget plays designed by Andy, same as the Saints do with Taysom Hill.

Wow.


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They don't want the turnover risk. I don't blame them.

surprising

How's this going?

I would like to see this guy go to New Orleans and play with Taysom Hill.

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LMAO

You’re a moron of Jake-ian proportions.

Was the Wildcat going to revolutionize offenses? No.

Were running QBs like RG3 and Lamar going to revolutionize offenses? No.

Will this? No.

Should your mom have aborted you? Yes.