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DTVietnam 05-03-2020 07:26 AM

2-3 Jet Chip Wasp...Explanation ?
 
Might be a dumb question but I cant seem to figure out what the 2-3 or 2-3-5 mean in 2-3 Jet Chip Wasp?. .

or it is called just 3 jet Y Wasp Funnel?

any playbook guys get it?

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Y_py...5.16.23_PM.png


https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/wasp.png

rabblerouser 05-03-2020 08:03 AM

"2-3" is a 6 man slide protection call, "chip" tells the back and TE to chip block, and WASP is like, a concept, a 5 step drop with a shuffle or two, depending. Y is the Y receiver doing the deep post corner with the outside receiver running an in-route. I guess it "funnels" a zone defense? It sure took SF out of their cleats...

chinaski 05-03-2020 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14949942)
"2-3" is a 6 man slide protection call, "chip" tells the back and TE to chip block, and WASP is like, a concept, a 5 step drop with a shuffle or two, depending. Y is the Y receiver doing the deep post corner with the outside receiver running an in-route. I guess it "funnels" a zone defense? It sure took SF out of their cleats...

Tyreek's cut to the outside confused the hell out of them!

DTVietnam 05-03-2020 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14949942)
"2-3" is a 6 man slide protection call, "chip" tells the back and TE to chip block, and WASP is like, a concept, a 5 step drop with a shuffle or two, depending. Y is the Y receiver doing the deep post corner with the outside receiver running an in-route. I guess it "funnels" a zone defense? It sure took SF out of their cleats...

thanks..think i got it..I obviously got the chip, Y, and wasp part. . was just confused on the 2-3 . .

2-3 basically is just the orders to the O-Line on which way to slide when they block. . and the back is supposed to pick up the DE or LB if it comes and chip him before going. .

rabblerouser 05-03-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DTVietnam (Post 14949954)
thanks..think i got it..I obviously got the chip, Y, and wasp part. . was just confused on the 2-3 . .

2-3 basically is just the orders to the O-Line on which way to slide when they block. . and the back is supposed to pick up the stunt or LB if it comes and chip him before going. .

Right, but Damian kind of whiffed on his chip on Bosa

rabblerouser 05-03-2020 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 14949951)
Tyreek's cut to the outside confused the hell out of them!

Funny, the same route concept got Tyreek his only catch in the 2018 AFC Championship Game. That play wasn't a chip, it was Play Action and blocked a bit better, but the exact same route concept with the Jet WASP Y Funnel, so they got Belichick with it, too. The one who sucks the penis.

DTVietnam 05-03-2020 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 14949951)
Tyreek's cut to the outside confused the hell out of them!

Fred Warner told the saftey stay in the middle right before the play. . then seeing Tyreek running full speed he had no choice..that deep sideline wasnt even his responsibilty. .

i think this was just a perfect example of the Chiefs adjusting their calls while the 49ers stayed in that same cover 3 on big passing downs. . and never adjusted

still cant believe how it unfolded...getting the previous play overturned actually gave us the time to make that call..and the fact that Mahomes called the play is unreal. .

Bowser 05-03-2020 09:57 AM

This is the best explanation of that play I've seen -

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/t-t6tbS5waE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

DTVietnam 05-03-2020 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14950153)
This is the best explanation of that play I've seen -

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/t-t6tbS5waE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

yep..this and the HB and Frank Clark Mic'd up are 2 of the best videos ever in the history of videos


"Any down and distance...I dont care"

he literally dropped back 14 yrds from the line of scrimmage to throw that 57 yards in the air

Bowser 05-03-2020 10:07 AM

That play basically earned Mahomes the MVP of the game.

The look on Robert Saleh's face immediately after the play.....he knew that was it.

DTVietnam 05-03-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14950175)
That play basically earned Mahomes the MVP of the game.

The look on Robert Saleh's face immediately after the play.....he knew that was it.

yep and i love how they just turned business after that..Kelce hardly celebrated that TD..they ran off the field becaused they knew they still had work to do

the difference between having Mahomes and a mortal at QB

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RINGLEADER 05-03-2020 10:13 AM

Chris Simms also had a pretty good breakdown of the play that got into how the play worked because a) that route just shouldn’t work and with a lesser QB it wouldn’t and b) he dissected how the play used the 49er scheme against itself and once Tyreek left the safety’s zone he got handed off but was then able to cut back into the same space. It’s a pretty detailed breakdown that gets into some different things than the turning point video. Will try to find it.

Dayze 05-03-2020 10:15 AM

No, no, no. You guys are all wrong. Skip Bayliss told me that play was just all luck.
He’s on tv, so I trust that he doesn’t his research and knows what he’s talking about.

Donger 05-03-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 14950191)
Chris Simms also had a pretty good breakdown of the play that got into how the play worked because a) that route just shouldn’t work and with a lesser QB it wouldn’t and b) he dissected how the play used the 49er scheme against itself and once Tyreek left the safety’s zone he got handed off but was then able to cut back into the same space. It’s a pretty detailed breakdown that gets into some different things than the turning point video. Will try to find it.

This? I watched it a few days ago:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_60VptuDrCw" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bowser 05-03-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 14950197)
No, no, no. You guys are all wrong. Skip Bayliss told me that play was just all luck.
He’s on tv, so I trust that he doesn’t his research and knows what he’s talking about.

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suzzer99 05-03-2020 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DTVietnam (Post 14950172)
yep..this and the HB and Frank Clark Mic'd up are 2 of the best videos ever in the history of videos


"Any down and distance...I dont care"

he literally dropped back 14 yrds from the line of scrimmage to throw that 57 yards in the air

How ****ing cool is that our basically 2nd year QB, in the biggest game of his life, while still struggling and trying to pull out of arguably two worst quarters of football he's played as a Chief - has the presence of mind to basically be the coach and call the absolute perfect ballsy play?

And not only that - to continually coach Watkins and Hill in the huddle to run it a certain way. And then to drift back way farther than the play called for, because he knew he had to, and still execute perfectly - releasing the ball like 1/10th of a second before getting hit?

That is GOAT legendary stuff they'll be talking about forever.

rtmike 05-03-2020 03:21 PM

I watched them break the play down several times.
It's Hills responsibility to fake the Safety at the last second on which way he's running that makes the play.

displacedinMN 05-03-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14950153)
This is the best explanation of that play I've seen -

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/t-t6tbS5waE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

In awe........

Rain Man 05-03-2020 03:34 PM

When I watch the Wasp play, I often chuckle at the clip that showed Montana, Favre, and Brees watching the game together. At the end of the play, Montana says to Tyreek, "Get down, knucklehead." I don't why, but that's hilarious to me.

Iowanian 05-03-2020 03:51 PM

This reminds me, I wanted to make a "poster" with this play drawn out and named and super bowl 54 and over it 65 toss power trap and Super Bowl 4. I'd print and send one to someone who made that for me

PurpleRiders51 05-03-2020 04:13 PM

Wow, I just now seen Pat explaining the second INT he threw. He intentionaly threw behind Hill to attempt to slow him down, and save him from the big hit...WHAT A ****ING GUY! That's my QB, I want that guys mentality as my teammate.

PurpleRiders51 05-03-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 14950767)
This reminds me, I wanted to make a "poster" with this play drawn out and named and super bowl 54 and over it 65 toss power trap and Super Bowl 4. I'd print and send one to someone who made that for me

If you ever make one PM me, I'd like one as well if you wouldn't mind :IA:

eDave 05-03-2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleRiders51 (Post 14950792)
Wow, I just now seen Pat explaining the second INT he threw. He intentionaly threw behind Hill to attempt to slow him down, and save him from the big hit...WHAT A ****ING GUY! That's my QB, I want that guys mentality as my teammate.

That got me all tingly.

Skyy God 05-03-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14950153)
This is the best explanation of that play I've seen -

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/t-t6tbS5waE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

He’s just so preternaturally GD composed.

I don’t know what I did to deserve him.

suzzer99 05-03-2020 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14950748)
When I watch the Wasp play, I often chuckle at the clip that showed Montana, Favre, and Brees watching the game together. At the end of the play, Montana says to Tyreek, "Get down, knucklehead." I don't why, but that's hilarious to me.

It seemed like Brees understood the play concept and how Hill got that wide open, while Favre and especially Montana did not.

eDave 05-03-2020 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14951062)
It seemed like Brees understood the play concept and how Hill got that wide open, while Favre and especially Montana did not.

If I remember right, Brees was stunned.

mlyonsd 05-03-2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14950153)
This is the best explanation of that play I've seen -

Crap. Video blocked.

Skyy God 05-03-2020 07:56 PM

https://youtu.be/hMgSkWWRnTs

suzzer99 05-03-2020 09:18 PM

Yeah that was the good one that really helps you understand the play.

suzzer99 05-03-2020 09:22 PM

https://youtu.be/a8jivpvyen4?t=3370

Here's Brees, Farve and Montana. It starts after the 2nd and 15 with Montana talking about Mahomes short arming it to Tyreek on the play that was overturned.

LOVE it when Montana's eyes light up right after the go ahead score while they're reviewing - "What happens if you get the ball on the 6" line?" I always think about that. I'm pretty sure we go for it - and man what a moment it would have been, assuming my heart doesn't explode.

eDave 05-03-2020 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14951189)
https://youtu.be/a8jivpvyen4?t=3370

Here's Brees, Farve and Montana. It starts after the 2nd and 15 with Montana talking about Mahomes short arming it to Tyreek on the play that was overturned.

LOVE it when Montana's eyes light up right after the go ahead score while they're reviewing - "What happens if you get the ball on the 6" line?" I always think about that. I'm pretty sure we go for it - and man what a moment it would have been, assuming my heart doesn't explode.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20160221074136

Pitt Gorilla 05-03-2020 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14951062)
It seemed like Brees understood the play concept and how Hill got that wide open, while Favre and especially Montana did not.

Favre and Montana aren't in the same brain space as Brees.

Megatron96 05-03-2020 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14951225)
Favre and Brees aren't in the same brain space as Brees.

Ah, please fix this.

Pitt Gorilla 05-03-2020 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14951237)
Ah, please fix this.

Fixed. Thanks!

Megatron96 05-03-2020 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14951238)
Fixed. Thanks!

It really bothered me not knowing which name was in the wrong place. LMAOThanks.

DTVietnam 05-03-2020 10:23 PM

Ive never seen a bunch of more boring lifeless people watching a Superbowl.. Brees was the only one that showed emotion,.,

Montana had no clue about anything and u can see a bit of his soul die when Damien scores that TD at the end . .
Montana actuallly asked when a player steps out of bounds do they mark him where the ball is or his foot..???

could see Montana was really rooting for the 49ers and Brees seemed like he was pulling for the Chiefs. .

Farve just wanted things to be compared to him...

and the other guy was like weekend at Bernies trying to hold up 3 lifeless bodies

Demonpenz 05-03-2020 10:36 PM

Only one guy can take a 20 step drop out of a shotgun

ChiefsFanatic 05-04-2020 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14949942)
"2-3" is a 6 man slide protection call, "chip" tells the back and TE to chip block, and WASP is like, a concept, a 5 step drop with a shuffle or two, depending. Y is the Y receiver doing the deep post corner with the outside receiver running an in-route. I guess it "funnels" a zone defense? It sure took SF out of their cleats...

I think the funnel part is telling the other receivers that they should not adjust their routes because they are funneling the defense away from the Y receiver.

Usually, the receivers would go through their route tree based on the defense, and adjust their routes, but this play needed the other receivers to run their base routes.

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KChiefs1 05-04-2020 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 14950191)
Chris Simms also had a pretty good breakdown of the play that got into how the play worked because a) that route just shouldn’t work and with a lesser QB it wouldn’t and b) he dissected how the play used the 49er scheme against itself and once Tyreek left the safety’s zone he got handed off but was then able to cut back into the same space. It’s a pretty detailed breakdown that gets into some different things than the turning point video. Will try to find it.


https://youtu.be/_60VptuDrCw

OrtonsPiercedTaint 05-05-2020 08:40 AM

First a plague & now killer wasps!
WHAT HAVE THEY DONE

savchief 05-06-2020 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 14950767)
This reminds me, I wanted to make a "poster" with this play drawn out and named and super bowl 54 and over it 65 toss power trap and Super Bowl 4. I'd print and send one to someone who made that for me

This is a little rough, had to compress it to meet the size requirements here, but something like this?

Hydrae 05-06-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by savchief (Post 14956041)
This is a little rough, had to compress it to meet the size requirements here, but something like this?

I like the use of the white so both LIV and IV are in the same place. Well done!

displacedinMN 05-06-2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by savchief (Post 14956041)
This is a little rough, had to compress it to meet the size requirements here, but something like this?


rep


biggest I can do at home is 8.5x11 But I will give it a try

Coogs 05-06-2020 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by savchief (Post 14956041)
This is a little rough, had to compress it to meet the size requirements here, but something like this?

In 65 Toss Power Trap, I count 12 guys. Not trying to be critical, you just might want to double check your drawing.

Edit: After doing some checking, it appears the WR on the right needs to be removed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In front of Arrowhead Stadium &quot;65 Toss Power Trap&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/65tosspowertrap?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#65tosspowertrap</a> <a href="http://t.co/p24tH9Pw3b">pic.twitter.com/p24tH9Pw3b</a></p>&mdash; Edward Jones II (@Ed_Jones2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ed_Jones2/status/495603436898250752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

eDave 05-06-2020 03:38 PM

Yea, that's a real fine poster.

savchief 05-06-2020 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 14956056)
In 65 Toss Power Trap, I count 12 guys. Not trying to be critical, you just might want to double check your drawing.

Edit: After doing some checking, it appears the WR on the right needs to be removed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In front of Arrowhead Stadium &quot;65 Toss Power Trap&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/65tosspowertrap?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#65tosspowertrap</a> <a href="http://t.co/p24tH9Pw3b">pic.twitter.com/p24tH9Pw3b</a></p>&mdash; Edward Jones II (@Ed_Jones2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ed_Jones2/status/495603436898250752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah. It wasn't in there then just before i posted it i recounted and missed one so figured it had to be the other wideout. I'll fix it.

savchief 05-06-2020 07:40 PM

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here's the fixed one with the right 65 toss power trap diagram. Thanks for catching that.

Again this was pretty much just a concept done quickly in Paint. It could be done with higher quality to print.

JakeF 05-06-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 14950221)
This? I watched it a few days ago:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_60VptuDrCw" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Most of our QBs(Smith,Cassel,Huard,Green, even Montana) would have thrown it to Damien Williams underneath. Then it's touch and go about whether we get the 1st down or not.

Mahomes is a stud.

Coogs 05-06-2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by savchief (Post 14956480)
here's the fixed one with the right 65 toss power trap diagram. Thanks for catching that.

Again this was pretty much just a concept done quickly in Paint. It could be done with higher quality to print.

:thumb:

eDave 05-06-2020 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14951189)
https://youtu.be/a8jivpvyen4?t=3370

Here's Brees, Farve and Montana. It starts after the 2nd and 15 with Montana talking about Mahomes short arming it to Tyreek on the play that was overturned.

LOVE it when Montana's eyes light up right after the go ahead score while they're reviewing - "What happens if you get the ball on the 6" line?" I always think about that. I'm pretty sure we go for it - and man what a moment it would have been, assuming my heart doesn't explode.

And yea, we would have definately gone for it. NO doubt. Mahomes would have commanded it.

tatorhog 05-07-2020 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savchief (Post 14956480)
here's the fixed one with the right 65 toss power trap diagram. Thanks for catching that.

Again this was pretty much just a concept done quickly in Paint. It could be done with higher quality to print.

That's pretty sweet. My wife has access to a large format printer. I could see if she could print them possibly?

dj56dt58 05-07-2020 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14956526)
Most of our QBs(Smith,Cassel,Huard,Green, even Montana) would have thrown it to Damien Williams underneath. Then it's touch and go about whether we get the 1st down or not.

Mahomes is a stud.

Priest and Charles get it..but none of those qbs outsid of Green would have ever been in the sb anyway

savchief 05-07-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tatorhog (Post 14957000)
That's pretty sweet. My wife has access to a large format printer. I could see if she could print them possibly?

Sure but that version is not gonna look good when you embiggen it. I can send a better version if you want to try it

tatorhog 05-07-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by savchief (Post 14957357)
Sure but that version is not gonna look good when you embiggen it. I can send a better version if you want to try it

Let me see if she can get back into her room again or not. The current rules about entering/not entering the building are...interesting. If she can, I'll you a PM with my email to send a high res to.

BigRedChief 05-19-2020 05:33 PM

On the mic’d up shows, right before they run the play, they show the defense on the bench, close up shot of one of them Mouthing the words, come on Pat, come on Pat.

Who was the fat guy on defense?

R Clark 05-19-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58 (Post 14957306)
Priest and Charles get it..but none of those qbs outsid of Green would have ever been in the sb anyway

Bullshit, that team Montana was on had a lot of talent

rabblerouser 05-19-2020 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14956526)
Most of our QBs(Smith,Cassel,Huard,Green, even Montana) would have thrown it to Damien Williams underneath. Then it's touch and go about whether we get the 1st down or not.

Mahomes is a stud.

Montana went downfield constantly in that game in the Astrodome, Jan 1994. Hell, he would've had 450 yards and 5 TDs had Willie Davis not dropped around 150 yards worth of passes in the first half...

Bowser 05-19-2020 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14979909)
On the mic’d up shows, right before they run the play, they show the defense on the bench, close up shot of one of them Mouthing the words, come on Pat, come on Pat.

Who was the fat guy on defense?

Thinking that was Nnadi

RINGLEADER 05-19-2020 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14979926)
Montana went downfield constantly in that game in the Astrodome, Jan 1994. Hell, he would've had 450 yards and 5 TDs had Willie Davis not dropped around 150 yards worth of passes in the first half...

I just caught the Greatest Games broadcast last weekend (or was it the weekend before — this lockdown crap has me forgetting what week it is) and the Brandt/Schager rewind of it someone posted on CP. that was such a fun game. Was in Vegas surrounded by Oiler fans. The next week I missed most of the Bills game with 103 degree fever and flu. I tried to stay awake after the kickoff, woke up and saw Montana bang his head, then saw the final whistle. If I had known that would be as close as the Chiefs got to a Super Bowl for 25 years I would have tried harder to stay awake.

Pitt Gorilla 05-19-2020 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14979926)
Montana went downfield constantly in that game in the Astrodome, Jan 1994. Hell, he would've had 450 yards and 5 TDs had Willie Davis not dropped around 150 yards worth of passes in the first half...

Zero chance Montana can make that throw.

suzzer99 05-20-2020 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14979945)
Thinking that was Nnadi

Or maybe Saunders? Dude looked about 19.

displacedinMN 05-20-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14980243)
Zero chance Montana can make that throw.

especially in the later years


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