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MightyMouse 05-03-2020 07:00 PM

Spags deserves more credit
 
I think it was best coaching hire across the nfl last year. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t get another HC job.

The media barely talked about the crazy turnover of players, change of system and how spags nailed it.

eDave 05-03-2020 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouse (Post 14951014)
I think it was best coaching hire across the nfl last year. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t get another HC job.

The media barely talked about the crazy turnover of players, change of system and how spags nailed it.

We win the SB two years ago if...

chiefzilla1501 05-03-2020 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouse (Post 14951014)
I think it was best coaching hire across the nfl last year. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t get another HC job.

The media barely talked about the crazy turnover of players, change of system and how spags nailed it.

Everything just went right. The year off allowed spags to update his scheme. And we got hella lucky Brandon Daly got screwed in New England. I'm still stunned spags pulled Daly and house here. And just as stunned they're still here. But huge credit to spags for making adjustments and veach for listening. We got wrecked in the run game so we failed with McClain, then hit the jackpot with Pennel. Green Bay embarrassed us with their rb in the passing game so we adjusted Sorenson which gave honey Badger the chance to freelance. Losing Thornhill led to finding a brilliant way to use Fuller. All while questioning if frank Clark was damaged goods. It's crazy to think about what a journey last year was for this defense.

TLO 05-03-2020 07:44 PM

Here's some extra credit for him.

TribalElder 05-03-2020 07:50 PM

Send him two of the finest prostitutes in the kingdom and an extra week of bbq rations

Direckshun 05-03-2020 07:54 PM

It was the best week of defensive coaching I think I’ve ever seen in KC.

carcosa 05-03-2020 08:35 PM

Spags done good

Megatron96 05-03-2020 08:38 PM

I think Spags deserves a ton of credit. When he was hired, I did some research and discovered that that three times in his career he'd taken over a defense and by year two he had turned them all into top 5 defenses. Two of those defenses were lower mid-tier and the other was basically dead last.

But it took more than a full season to get all of those defenses turned around. So at the beginning of the 2019 season I said that we'd be lucky if the defense ended the season around 18th-20th, but next season we'd have a top 10 D.

Boy was I wrong. Gratefully so. Somehow, Spags turned this defense around in a little over half a season. In fact, if you take just the stats from Week 11 to Week 17, Spags fielded a top 5 defense. And they kept performing at a high level through the playoffs.

Now look around the league at all the DCs for the last 5-7 years and find one that did any kind of a similar job. Without bringing in a half a dozen All-Pros from Day 1. I can't find one.

And yet, even after the SB, you can't find many analysts or sports journalists giving him his due.

Steve Spagnuolo is definitely underrated and underappreciated around the league. I'm glad we got him, and that he's going to be our DC for a while to come. I think he's the best DC in the league, bar none.

FAX 05-03-2020 08:59 PM

Spaggyboots did a good thing. There's no doubt about that ...

However, I don't think he could have pulled it off without a couple of key, defensive leaders in the locker room.

The fact that those guys were willing to accept the coaching then support the vision on the field was critical to making it work, IMO.

FAX

Skyy God 05-03-2020 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouse (Post 14951014)
I think it was best coaching hire across the nfl last year. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t get another HC job.

The media barely talked about the crazy turnover of players, change of system and how spags nailed it.

He’s old and already flamed out as a HC.

Bury this stupid narrative.

Megatron96 05-03-2020 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14951186)
He’s old and already flamed out as a HC.

Bury this stupid narrative.

Spagnuolo is 59. Hardly old, as far as HCs go. But I hope he doesn't get a HC job any time soon either.

mlyonsd 05-03-2020 09:28 PM

It was fun to watch the whole thing develop. How many game threads were most of us screaming nothing had changed? And then it did. It just took time. Spags telling Veach what he needs for the future. Andy, Spags, Veach, could be dangerous for a long time.

Skyy God 05-03-2020 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14951193)
Spagnuolo is 59. Hardly old, as far as HCs go. But I hope he doesn't get a HC job any time soon either.

Nah, brah.

Average age of head coaches hired in the last 20 years is 48.

Megatron96 05-03-2020 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14951197)
Nah, brah.

Average age of head coaches hired in the last 20 years is 48.

Andy's 61. Time to put him out to pasture?

But I hope you're right. I don't want to see Spags go anywhere for a long while.

Skyy God 05-03-2020 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14951202)
Andy's 61. Time to put him out to pasture?

But I hope you're right. I don't want to see Spags go anywhere for a long while.

Andy was like 54 when hired and had a SB appearance on his resume.

Apples and hand grenades.

smithandrew051 05-03-2020 09:50 PM

It’s crazy. The more I think about it, the more I praise the job Spags did...AND the more inept Sutton seems by comparison

Pitt Gorilla 05-03-2020 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 14951194)
It was fun to watch the whole thing develop. How many game threads were most of us screaming nothing had changed? And then it did. It just took time. Spags telling Veach what he needs for the future. Andy, Spags, Veach, could be dangerous for a long time.

The knee-jerk idiots hated Spags, Clark, HB, et al. The rest of us said they'd get better with time.

RealSNR 05-03-2020 10:56 PM

Spags needs more carries

Hoover 05-03-2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14951169)
Spaggyboots did a good thing. There's no doubt about that ...

However, I don't think he could have pulled it off without a couple of key, defensive leaders in the locker room.

The fact that those guys were willing to accept the coaching then support the vision on the field was critical to making it work, IMO.

FAX

True of any team.

and when you think of who those players were and that they were specifically brought in I think Spags deserves credit there too.

SuperBowl4 05-03-2020 11:02 PM

He earned his pay and got a ring. That's plenty.

Simply Red 05-03-2020 11:13 PM

im horny

ChiefsFanatic 05-04-2020 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14951218)
The knee-jerk idiots hated Spags, Clark, HB, et al. The rest of us said they'd get better with time.

I don't remember anyone attacking HB, but the truth is that Clark played very poorly early on. We didn't really know that his poor play was due to the nerve issue until later in the season.

Without making his injury known, the people who criticized him were only doing so based on what they knew at the time.

I also think that most everyone realized that it was going to take time for the defense to pick up an entirely new system. However, it was still frustrating to see them performing at Bob Sutton levels of suck. We lost 3 consecutive home games, and that was tough to watch.

But, even with the defense coming to life late in the season, and helping to win the SB, I can't see anyone hiring Spags as a HC. He was absolutely inept with the Rams.

Defensive Coordinators like Spags and Gunther, and offensive coordinators like Weiss and McDaniels, are the epitome of the Peter Principle.

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ChiefsFanatic 05-04-2020 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 14951294)
im horny

I just watched the top 10 games of 2020, as decided by the NFL, and we were involved in 3 of them, all wins.

The Baltimore game, the Texans playoff game, and of course the Super Bowl.

So, I get where you are coming from.

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Cosmos 05-04-2020 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14951073)
Everything just went right. The year off allowed spags to update his scheme. And we got hella lucky Brandon Daly got screwed in New England. I'm still stunned spags pulled Daly and house here. And just as stunned they're still here. But huge credit to spags for making adjustments and veach for listening. We got wrecked in the run game so we failed with McClain, then hit the jackpot with Pennel. Green Bay embarrassed us with their rb in the passing game so we adjusted Sorenson which gave honey Badger the chance to freelance. Losing Thornhill led to finding a brilliant way to use Fuller. All while questioning if frank Clark was damaged goods. It's crazy to think about what a journey last year was for this defense.

Glad to see you mention Daly.

He’ll be a DC within 2 years IMO.

UK_Chief 05-04-2020 03:40 AM

Not sure he isn’t getting the credit he deserves TBH. Masterminded stopping the ‘unstoppable’ Derek Henry and turned a terrible D into a serviceable one in less than a year. Let’s see what he can do with another year (obviously the current situation doesn’t help)

Couch-Potato 05-04-2020 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouse (Post 14951014)
I think it was best coaching hire across the nfl last year. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t get another HC job.

The media barely talked about the crazy turnover of players, change of system and how spags nailed it.

So true! Can't believe he's not getting more praise. Those advanced DB stats last year tell the tail of how he turned our secondary around with basically no-name players.

ThaVirus 05-04-2020 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14951073)
Everything just went right. The year off allowed spags to update his scheme. And we got hella lucky Brandon Daly got screwed in New England. I'm still stunned spags pulled Daly and house here. And just as stunned they're still here. But huge credit to spags for making adjustments and veach for listening. We got wrecked in the run game so we failed with McClain, then hit the jackpot with Pennel. Green Bay embarrassed us with their rb in the passing game so we adjusted Sorenson which gave honey Badger the chance to freelance. Losing Thornhill led to finding a brilliant way to use Fuller. All while questioning if frank Clark was damaged goods. It's crazy to think about what a journey last year was for this defense.

Completely in retrospect, last year was definitely a fairy tale. Like a modern day Hero's Journey.

With all of the injuries to key starters, including the one to Patrick that had us all feeling like hope was lost midway through the season, coaching changes, under-performing FA acquisitions early in the season, surmounting incredible leads, bringing home the Lamar Hunt trophy, and finally winning the big one.

Now I feel like we've shaken the filthy stigma of being a loser franchise. We're winners. Top of the mountain.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 05-04-2020 07:26 AM

If there was a HOF for assistant coaches. He'd go in

Deberg_1990 05-04-2020 07:52 AM

I think hes been given plenty of credit already.

LiveSteam 05-04-2020 08:10 AM

The D was late to the games. Way to many times.
Being down 10 or 17 or 24 points in the 1st quarter is not how KCs D want to start games. Halftime adjustment were excellent. Having an offense that can put up 40 points a half helps bail out a defense that struggles in the 1st half.

Still. Was his 1st year in KC. I look for bigger and better things out of Spags as the years role on.

cwhocares 05-04-2020 09:23 AM

When we hired Spags, I was not a fan of his at all. He only had 1 or 2 good defenses and was a friend of Andy Reid. Between Veach getting him quality players and Spags coaching them, in hind sight. it was a fantastic hire. He has done a fabulous job. I'm surprised he wasn't approach for a head coaching job. This is my equivalent to eating crow pertaining to my first post when he was hired.

BWillie 05-04-2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 14951019)
We win the SB two years ago if...

We win the Super Bowl if it wasn't for Alex Smith & Bob Sutton in 2018.

We win the Super Bowl if it wasn't for Bob Sutton in 2019.

The only two men so far who have shown they can stop Patrick Mahomes.

RunKC 05-04-2020 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14951202)
Andy's 61. Time to put him out to pasture?

But I hope you're right. I don't want to see Spags go anywhere for a long while.

Spags turned 60 in December. I’m confident he’ll stay with us for a few reasons:

1. He’s 60. If you aren’t a known elite HC it seems like it’s hard to get a job at that age.
2. This is an offensive league now.
3. League wants young coaches.
4. Spags failed miserably as a HC already

I think we could get lucky and have Andy, Spags and Toub together for the 2020’s

JakeF 05-04-2020 03:45 PM

Who's not giving him credit?

Skyy God 05-04-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14952868)
Who's not giving him credit?

Your mom.

She’s cash only.

Maybe the occasional dime bag.

Easy 6 05-04-2020 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14952868)
Who's not giving him credit?

Yeah he’s getting plenty from me, like many great DC’s he’s no HC... but man can that guy masterfully juggle a million variables on defense

First year DC with new scheme
Players already here had to be coached into it
All the many new faces had to be coached into it
Late arrivals were brought up to speed quickly and effectively
Was dealt a shitty hand of multiple serious injuries to very important players at various points in the season

All of that, yet he still had them playing like a cohesive unit by week 8... and like a championship defense just in time for the playoffs

I’m raising a toast to that Glorious Guinea as we speak

jjchieffan 05-04-2020 10:24 PM

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a team hire Spags as a HC again. Look at Wade Phillips. He was never successful as a head coach, but that didn't stop Jerry Jones from giving him a 3rd shot as a head coach. But, if he goes, I feel confident that House or Daly will do a good job in his place.

Halfcan 05-04-2020 11:08 PM

This defense will jump out of the gate much better than last year. They have some great players, awesome coaching and Championship confidence.

We might be watching a top 10 D this year.


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