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Direckshun 05-13-2020 07:21 PM

Sweeney: I think Mike Remmers wins starting LG.
 
Generally speaking, Pete Sweeney is a sharp dude and rarely shoots off the hip at these things. He is also pretty connected at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

Currently, he sees the competition boiling down to Remmers v. Wylie, with Remmers winning out.

Pretty interesting, if Remmers takes the job, look at these other OL we have that he got the gig over:

Andrew Wylie
Martinas Rankin
Lucas Niang
Nick Allegretti
To say nothing of two outstanding UDFA prospects in Yasir Durant and Darryl Williams, and Ryan Hunter, who has seen (horrific) snaps at guard.

I wonder what he’s seen or heard that lead him to this conclusion.

R Clark 05-13-2020 07:23 PM

Refresh my memory on remmers?

Mecca 05-13-2020 07:24 PM

Wylie is going to have to battle to make the roster, getting benched for a street FA will do that.

bobhill 05-13-2020 07:28 PM

Martin Rankin is who should start there

Kman34 05-13-2020 07:31 PM

Can Rankin play center?? if so we may have something good at last.. run and pass at will..

Direckshun 05-13-2020 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Clark (Post 14970040)
Refresh my memory on remmers?

Was signed shortly after we cut Cam Erving, many assumed he’d be our new swing tackle.

Has started 10 games, I think, across three seasons with the Giants.

Titty Meat 05-13-2020 07:34 PM

Hes trash so is Wylie hopefully its Niang and Rankins

DaneMcCloud 05-13-2020 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 14970035)
Generally speaking, Pete Sweeney is a sharp dude and rarely shoots off the hip at these things. He is also pretty connected at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

Pete Sweeney is an epic douchebag that doesn't know jackshit.

If Remmers sees the field this year, it's due to injuries.

The guy is garbage and he's been passed around more than Direckshun's whore mother.

kcclone 05-13-2020 08:12 PM

Rankin was very good when he played guard this year. Hopefully he's healthy.

Also, it would be great if Allegretti could be capable of being a solid backup at least.

ChiTown 05-13-2020 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14970108)
Pete Sweeney is an epic douchebag that doesn't know jackshit.

If Remmers sees the field this year, it's due to injuries.

The guy is garbage and he's passed around more than Direckshun's whore mother.

LMAO - never change, Brother - LMAO

Chief Northman 05-13-2020 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14970108)
Pete Sweeney is an epic douchebag that doesn't know jackshit.

If Remmers sees the field this year, it's due to injuries.

The guy is garbage and he's passed around more than Direckshun's whore mother.

ROFL

BryanBusby 05-13-2020 08:24 PM

Sweeney is a dumb ass. It's gonna be Rankin job to lose.

Baby Lee 05-13-2020 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14970108)
Pete Sweeney is an epic douchebag that doesn't know jackshit.

If Remmers sees the field this year, it's due to injuries.

The guy is garbage and he's passed around more than Direckshun's whore mother.

Never expected to read a Dane McCloud post in the voice of SNL's Sean Connery.

Pitt Gorilla 05-13-2020 08:41 PM

Watching this 2018 Chiefs/Ravens game, Morse was so, so good.

smithandrew051 05-13-2020 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14970139)
Sweeney is a dumb ass. It's gonna be Rankin job to lose.

Assuming he recovers fine from his injury, I agree.

RustShack 05-13-2020 08:47 PM

I would go Rankin. But I don’t think it will be long before Niang comes for either LG or RG. I think we have some good depth/competition. The only “safe” bets are our OT’s.

Hammock Parties 05-13-2020 08:47 PM

Sweeney's a clown.

RustShack 05-13-2020 08:52 PM

It’s hard to say until the guys are all in camp with the pads on.

BigCatDaddy 05-13-2020 09:00 PM

I like Rankin in that spot as well. I would also like to see someone take away Reiters job. Maybe Niang plays RG and the good doctor can play C :shrug: I know Andy is all about just getting the best 5 on the field.

wazu 05-13-2020 09:01 PM

Wylie is almost as bad as LDT.

Baby Lee 05-13-2020 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 14970195)
It’s hard to say until the guys are all in camp with the pads on.

2022 can't come fast enough!!

alpha_omega 05-13-2020 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14970139)
Sweeney is a dumb ass. It's gonna be Rankin job to lose.

So it would seem.

Sweeney is stankin, it’s gonna be Rankin.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-13-2020 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14970108)
Pete Sweeney is an epic douchebag that doesn't know jackshit.

If Remmers sees the field this year, it's due to injuries.

The guy is garbage and he's been passed around more than Direckshun's whore mother.

That...

I see Wylie, Niang, or Rankin coming ahead of Remmers.

srvy 05-13-2020 09:25 PM

At this point in time how the **** would Sweeney know anything in the rona world that's going on.

Pitt Gorilla 05-13-2020 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 14970211)
I like Rankin in that spot as well. I would also like to see someone take away Reiters job. Maybe Niang plays RG and the good doctor can play C :shrug: I know Andy is all about just getting the best 5 on the field.

Reiter was a beast the last 1/3 of the season plus the playoffs. He's no Mitch Morse, but not many are.

Hog's Gone Fishin 05-13-2020 09:34 PM

We won a SB with a shitty line. I expect it to be less shitty this year.

RunKC 05-13-2020 10:08 PM

Pete Sweeney dresses like a woman

RealSNR 05-13-2020 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14970170)
Watching this 2018 Chiefs/Ravens game, Morse was so, so good.

And now he's so, so expensive.

I don't really miss him, to be honest.

BossChief 05-14-2020 12:18 AM

Fisher
Niang
Williams
LDT
Schwartz

gonefishin53 05-14-2020 06:01 AM

Rankin, if recovered from injury, is first choice left guard. Allegretti impressed the Chief's staff with his center play at the East-West Shrine game. I think they see him as having Mitch Morse potential.

Fisher
Rankin
Allegretti
LDT
Schwartz

bobhill 05-14-2020 06:02 AM

They should leave Niang at tackle

Dunerdr 05-14-2020 06:08 AM

I think Sweeney was just looking for filler in his new editors show podcast. It's the first anyone has said about him playing guard that im aware of.

rabblerouser 05-14-2020 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14970073)
Hes trash so is Wylie hopefully its Niang and Rankins

Rankins had a hell of an injury last year. Hope he's able to be the starter this year.

RustShack 05-14-2020 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonefishin53 (Post 14970442)
Rankin, if recovered from injury, is first choice left guard. Allegretti impressed the Chief's staff with his center play at the East-West Shrine game. I think they see him as having Mitch Morse potential.

Fisher
Rankin
Allegretti
LDT
Schwartz

Put Niang at RG and we are talking.

jjchieffan 05-14-2020 08:08 AM

I'm hoping for Rankin too. But most of what I've been hearing is that Rankin likely won't be recovered from his injury in time.

scho63 05-14-2020 08:26 AM

I'm curious to see what if anything we get out of Nick Allegretti. I think he was our last pick in the draft and has been invisible up to this date in both any playing time, roster move or news.

Hoover 05-14-2020 08:49 AM

Look if Remmers wins the job that's fine, but when you look at age and contract you have to think the Chiefs will give an edge to Rankin and Niang if its close.

lcarus 05-14-2020 09:02 AM

Is my memory faulty or does Reid typically not like to play rookie offensive linemen a lot? If that is indeed the case, I'd think Niang would have to look really impressive if he started anywhere on the line this season.

The Franchise 05-14-2020 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 14970645)
Is my memory faulty or does Reid typically not like to play rookie offensive linemen a lot? If that is indeed the case, I'd think Niang would have to look really impressive if he started anywhere on the line this season.

Reid doesn’t like to change continuity during the season unless he absolutely has to. If Rankin wins the job.....then he’s there all season barring a complete ****ing meltdown or injury.

oldman 05-14-2020 09:31 AM

I believe the wild card here is Allegretti. If he can move into the starting C spot, that gives us a lot more flexibility. I'm kind of opposed to either Rankin or Niang being moved to a G simply because we need a swing OT.

jjchieffan 05-14-2020 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 14970645)
Is my memory faulty or does Reid typically not like to play rookie offensive linemen a lot? If that is indeed the case, I'd think Niang would have to look really impressive if he started anywhere on the line this season.

Morse, Fisher, and I believe LDT were year 1 starters. So, I don't think that he has a problem starting a rookie on the line.

Direckshun 05-14-2020 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 14970445)
I think Sweeney was just looking for filler in his new editors show podcast. It's the first anyone has said about him playing guard that im aware of.

It is literally the first time I’ve heard of it.

Direckshun 05-14-2020 10:11 AM

You guys suggesting Allegretti or Williams at C are misguided.

It’s still Reiter’s job to lose.

nychief 05-14-2020 10:17 AM

Remmers is a able vet. Rankins is coming off a knee injury, but played well last season before that. Might be a situation where Remmers starts the season and MR comes on later when healthy.

Wilson8 05-14-2020 11:32 AM

The good news is there will be competition for positions on the interior offensive line.

Mike Remmers, since 2015, has actually started 68 games, but mostly at right tackle.

He started for the Carolina Panthers for two seasons. He started for the Minnesota Vikings for two seasons.

Overthecap.com shows if we cut Remmers we will have $887,500 of dead money so I assume the Chiefs are kind of counting on him making the team.

DaneMcCloud 05-14-2020 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 14970978)
Overthecap.com shows if we cut Remmers we will have $887,500 of dead money so I assume the Chiefs are kind of counting on him making the team.

Nope.

Remmers, like Sherman, Hamilton, Pennel, et al, is a Vested Veteran.

If Remmers is on the roster Week 1, his salary is guaranteed for the entire season, so if the Chiefs were to cut him after Week 1, they'd take a Dead Money hit of $887,500. The same holds true for the others I listed.

That in no way guarantees a roster spot for Remmers.

smithandrew051 05-14-2020 11:48 AM

Are we allowed to blame Cam Erving for Rankin’s injury?

Cam got pushed back, which caused Schwartz to get rolled up. Schwartz came out, Rankin moved to RT and got hurt immediately.

BigCatDaddy 05-14-2020 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14971006)
Are we allowed to blame Cam Erving for Rankin’s injury?

Cam got pushed back, which caused Schwartz to get rolled up. Schwartz came out, Rankin moved to RT and got hurt immediately.

Absolutely.

Pitt Gorilla 05-14-2020 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14971006)
Are we allowed to blame Cam Erving for Rankin’s injury?

Cam got pushed back, which caused Schwartz to get rolled up. Schwartz came out, Rankin moved to RT and got hurt immediately.

Cam was really bad at tackle. I saw him completely whiff against Judon and it's a wonder that Mahomes' head is still attached.

Dunerdr 05-14-2020 01:11 PM

is remmers of a guard build? I know nothing about him but assumed because he played tackle he was probably a little longer and leaner type.

scho63 05-15-2020 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14971006)
Are we allowed to blame Cam Erving for Rankin’s injury?

Cam got pushed back, which caused Schwartz to get rolled up. Schwartz came out, Rankin moved to RT and got hurt immediately.

Blame EVERYTHING on CAM ERVING! :LOL:

OKchiefs 05-15-2020 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14971087)
Cam was really bad at tackle. I saw him completely whiff against Judon and it's a wonder that Mahomes' head is still attached.

It's amazing we got by with Can Erving as our best option at swing tackle.

Wilson8 05-15-2020 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14971001)
Nope.

Remmers, like Sherman, Hamilton, Pennel, et al, is a Vested Veteran.

If Remmers is on the roster Week 1, his salary is guaranteed for the entire season, so if the Chiefs were to cut him after Week 1, they'd take a Dead Money hit of $887,500. The same holds true for the others I listed.

That in no way guarantees a roster spot for Remmers.

I agree that he could be cut, but according to spotrac.com that $887,500 is guaranteed, so it would be dead money.

Quote:

Mike Remmers signed a 1 year, $1,187,500 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $137,500 signing bonus, $887,500 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,187,500. In 2020, Remmers will earn a base salary of $1,050,000 and a signing bonus of $137,500, while carrying a cap hit of $887,500 and a dead cap value of $887,500.
The Chiefs currently have $10,255,709 of dead money with Eric Berry and Cameron Erving making up most of that.

If it comes down to keeping the better younger OL rather than Mike Remmers, I'm sure Chiefs swallow the dead money, but it is something that the Chiefs have to consider.

Wilson8 05-15-2020 11:44 AM

Overthecap.com says same thing but we could trade Mike Remmers (like we did Carlos Hyde) and then it would only cost us the $137,500 bonus money.

DaneMcCloud 05-15-2020 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 14972756)
I agree that he could be cut, but according to spotrac.com that $887,500 is guaranteed, so it would be dead money.

Either you didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand it.

Remmers is a Vested Veteran. His salary is guaranteed ONLY if he's on the roster Week 1. If he's not on the roster Week 1 the Chiefs owe him nothing and he has a ZERO cap number. For salary cap purposes, he counts toward the 51 as of today.

The reason for the $137k, which is the same for Sherman, Hamilton and Pennel, is because the Veteran Minimum for guys with 10 years service is $1,050,000 dollars but if they're on the roster for Week 1, there's a exemption of $137k.

The Chiefs are not on the hook for any of those salaries or Dead Money unless they're on the roster the first week of the season.

Direckshun 05-15-2020 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14973385)
Either you didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand it.

Remmers is a Vested Veteran. His salary is guaranteed ONLY if he's on the roster Week 1. If he's not on the roster Week 1 the Chiefs owe him nothing and he has a ZERO cap number. For salary cap purposes, he counts toward the 51 as of today.

The reason for the $137k, which is the same for Sherman, Hamilton and Pennel, is because the Veteran Minimum for guys with 10 years service is $1,050,000 dollars but if they're on the roster for Week 1, there's a exemption of $137k.

The Chiefs are not on the hook for any of those salaries or Dead Money unless they're on the roster the first week of the season.

We saw a living example of this in 2017 with C.J. Spiller.

Chiefs kept bringing him back in for the first few weeks, but since he was cut hours before the first game and re-signed hours after it, he never had a cap hit.

Wilson8 05-16-2020 12:41 AM

C.J Spiller did not have a contract like Mike Remmer.

The Chiefs are taking advantage of the Veteran Salary Benefit rule.

From Article 27, Section 16, page 183 from the NFL CBA.

Quote:

Section 16. Guarantees: If a Qualifying Contract, or a Four-Year Player Qualifying Contract, with guarantees is terminated, the player shall continue to receive the guaranteed portion of the contract and that money shall continue to count against the Salary Cap, but the benefit portion of the player’s compensation (including the subsidy) shall cease. For example, if a player with a $910,000 Qualifying Contract, which includes a $750,000 Paragraph 5 guarantee, is terminated after the eighth week of the regular season, he receives $750,000 of the $910,000 Minimum Salary. If the player signs multiple guaranteed Qualifying Contracts covering the same League Year at the applicable Minimum Salary, the maximum guaranteed salary he can earn under all such Qualifying Contracts is $750,000.
The Chiefs have signed several players using this Veteran Salary Benefit, Sherman, Hamilton, Pennel, and Remmer. Look for contracts that have a $137,500 bonus and a reduced cap hit. I'm not sure if Demarcus Robinson got this kind of deal too.

The good news, it can save the Chiefs money against the cap. But overthecap.com says it is guaranteed. Spotrac.com says their money is guaranteed. The above portion of the CBA says the player will be paid.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap/
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.n...rch_5_2020.pdf

Direckshun 06-25-2020 07:47 AM

Herbe Teope said on yesterday's Sportsbeat KC podcast that he believes Remmers is the current starter at LG.

Says with the nonexistent offseason, Niang will be too far behind and Wylie would be his only serious competition.

Kiimo 06-25-2020 08:22 AM

I really wouldn't expect any rookie to win the starting job other than CEH at this point.

Dunerdr 06-25-2020 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15036573)
Herbe Teope said on yesterday's Sportsbeat KC podcast that he believes Remmers is the current starter at LG.

Says with the nonexistent offseason, Niang will be too far behind and Wylie would be his only serious competition.

That would make sense if Wylie didnt already have serious time in the system imo. The short offseason would hurt a new guy.

kcclone 06-25-2020 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 15036610)
I really wouldn't expect any rookie to win the starting job other than CEH at this point.

Yeah, it's tough for rookies, especially more complex positions like QB, OL, WR, DB.

Overall that should help us though, as we're returning a lot more than most.

Simply Red 06-25-2020 09:30 AM

PS isn't very good, much like Carrington Harrison. In fact; Carrington is worse, IMO - yet dude has a 2 hour time slot on Fridays for his show on ESPN radio. God only knows how.

patteeu 06-25-2020 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14971006)
Are we allowed to blame Cam Erving for Rankin’s injury?

Cam got pushed back, which caused Schwartz to get rolled up. Schwartz came out, Rankin moved to RT and got hurt immediately.

Alternatively, Cam Erving saved Schwartz from a season ending injury.

TRR 06-25-2020 11:00 AM

Remmers has a lot of experience, but not at LG. I have a hard time envisioning him being handed the spot already. Time will tell.

JakeF 06-25-2020 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15036612)
That would make sense if Wylie didnt already have serious time in the system imo. The short offseason would hurt a new guy.

Wylie blows, any quality lineman will push him out even without much time in the system.


I'm hoping that Allegretti steps up this year. LDT better get his shit together again this year.

RunKC 06-25-2020 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15037107)
Wylie blows, any quality lineman will be him out even without much time in the system.


I'm hoping that Allegretti steps up this year. LDT better get his shit together again this year.

LDT was recovering from his leg being snapped in half. People forget these guys are human beings and serious injuries can have an effect for at least a year.

I expect him to be a solid G again this year now that he’s had time to recover.

Redbled 06-25-2020 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 15036710)
PS isn't very good, much like Carrington Harrison. In fact; Carrington is worse, IMO - yet dude has a 2 hour time slot on Fridays for his show on ESPN radio. God only knows how.


Not to be political but he fits what they want exactly to further the agendas they support.

KChiefs1 06-25-2020 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 14970035)
Generally speaking, Pete Sweeney is a sharp dude and rarely shoots off the hip at these things. He is also pretty connected at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

Currently, he sees the competition boiling down to Remmers v. Wylie, with Remmers winning out.

Pretty interesting, if Remmers takes the job, look at these other OL we have that he got the gig over:

Andrew Wylie
Martinas Rankin
Lucas Niang
Nick Allegretti
To say nothing of two outstanding UDFA prospects in Yasir Durant and Darryl Williams, and Ryan Hunter, who has seen (horrific) snaps at guard.

I wonder what he’s seen or heard that lead him to this conclusion.


Daryl Williams is the one to look out for. He’s a stud.

JakeF 06-25-2020 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15037141)
LDT was recovering from his leg being snapped in half. People forget these guys are human beings and serious injuries can have an effect for at least a year.

I expect him to be a solid G again this year now that he’s had time to recover.

Yea, it will be really nice to have him as his old self this year.


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