Would we be going for title number 3 in a row if Hunt wasnt released?
 

For Pitt Gorilla.

Hunt looks amazing like he did at times last year and his whole time as a Chief.

However William's I believe set some records for post season touchdowns.



Discuss.

Let it go, man.

I’m not one of those bitches who whine about Hunt being released, but yes, I find it hard to believe they wouldn’t have won SB 53 with him on the roster.

Wouldn't he have been suspended or on the exempt list during the 2018 postseason run?

:facepalm:

How many times does it have to be explained that Hunt wasn’t playing again in 2018 whether we released him or not?

Our offense put up 31 points in the second half to force overtime against Patriots in AFC championship.



**** you Dee Ford.

The real question is would we be worse in the long-run if we won 53?

I’m not sure Veach would’ve had the balls to overhaul that defense nor do I think Reid would’ve fired Sutton. Hell, we might’ve even extended Ford.

Also, Kareem screwed Kareem. Don’t be a ****ing idiot and things tend to work out better in life.

Every day for Billay's alcohol induced dementia.

This board's obsession with Kareem Hunt is ****ing weird. You'd think we hadn't done anything without him.

Would they have won if the video didn’t exist?

Yes.

Does it matter now?

No.

I miss Kareem as much as anybody. His style of play has always been really fun to watch for me. But he’s gone. We won the super bowl without him. We have a guy now who is younger, cheaper and potentially a better fit for what Andy is trying to do.

We’re defending super bowl champions. The era of “what if” and “woe is me” for this fanbase needs to end.

Most of it is that ****ing loser Pitt Gorilla.

It was his first offense bruh

Only if he had kicked Bob Sutton rather than the chick.

Pretty good point :thumb:. Butterfly effect.

I think the primary person to blame for us failing to win a title in 2018 was Bob Sutton. Right behind him, though, is Brett Veach.

He failed to sign or draft or trade for a single defensive playmaker. If he had, maybe the Chiefs can stop a runny nose in the AFCCG and we win the game.

Dee Ford is probably third.

But Bob Sutton is clearly the #1 culprit.

Simple answer: Yes

I think they would have went undefeated last year too.

Yeah I refuse to believe Sutton had zero input in thinking Speaks could be a productive OLB.

DJ has pointed out Mathieu was there to be signed but then I guess the question is whats his value after a ring and could we have resigned him?

The last one not on your list is Berry. I'm curious what he himself and the Chiefs knew.

Looking back at that first half theres no doubt BB owned Reid. Reid owned the 2nd half but maybe we dont get shut out with Hunt that first half.

It's a fun what if game.

:rolleyes:

Logically this is known as an “argument contrary to facts.” It means that the whole thing is speculation and fruitless. There is no way of knowing because it didn’t happen. Thus, considering, discussing, pondering, or analyzing this topic is ultimately a waste of time.

We would also be in the last year of Hunt's contract, and might very well have been forced to give him a Kamara/Dalvin Cook type contract, given what we just saw those two do in the last year of their deals. They pushed their teams into big deals in the last year of their rookie deals.

Do we re-sign Hill, Kelce and Chris Jones if we're giving Hunt 70 million?

I think OP means if Hunt was still playing through the end of 2018. Basically if that film never surfaced or if the dumbass just stopped his kick a foot shorter. That is the interesting question.

Isn’t that kind of the point of a sports message board?

He was commissioner exempted the rest of the 2018 season and didn't get taken off the list until the offseason.

That was an NFL thing. Not a Chiefs thing.

He wasn't playing for us. He wasn't playing for anybody else, either. The Chiefs could have screamed as loud as they could at the NFL and it wouldn't have mattered. He wasn't going to play another down that year.

Also, **** Kareem Hunt. I hope he dies so everybody on this place shuts the **** up about him.

We won a Super Bowl, and the only thing that makes me happier than winning a Super Bowl is winning a Super Bowl without a selfish butt****ing moron like Kareem Hunt on the team. He gets what he wanted-- to play in his shitty awful home state of Ohio with all his loser trash friends and party it up in hotels and kick women and get caught.

If Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray had a reerun baby together, that kid would have more braincells than Kareem Hunt.

Things that have happened since Hunt was released:

A. Chiefs win SB

B. Chiefs draft and employ a running back who seems to have been made in a lab just for Andy Reid’s offense.

C. Kareem Hunt runs over the Bengals (missing their best defensive player, I might add) and rather than focus on A and B, some fans want to daydream about irrelevant what if scenarios.

Don’t make much sense to me.

The defense was so ****ing bad with Sutton (I was a Sutton apologist before the end of the 2018 szn also).

Chiefs needed to lose in the fashion they did to the Patriots in order to jettison ol’ man Sutton, bring in Spags and put a spotlight on the need of a defensive leadership overhaul.

The main problem was the horrible defense caused by Bob Sutton, Eric Berry contract, Justin Houston contract, Anthony Hitchens contract, Dee Ford offsides, etc. All they needed was one damn stop at the end to win that game.

We'd be going for the 3rd Super Bowl if Kareem didn't kick a bitch and/or Dee Ford didn't line up offsides.

Next up on Chiefs hypotheticals: would we be going for title number 3 if Haglund's didn't exist?

Yes.

Greed is a fun killing bitch

Not sure how having Hunt would have allowed us to get to or win SB 53. It was our defense that failed us, not the offense.

How much would we have to be paying him for slightly better production at the position than the pennies we pay for it now?

It cost us a ring.

But then again, getting Spags may win us many more.

It cost us a ring? How? Last I checked, it was the D that couldn’t make a stop In the AFC CG, and a Defensive player that made a HUGE penalty that cost us an opportunity to get to the SB. It wasn’t a lack of KH, IMO.

BOOM! Roasted. **** Kareem Hunt.

WooHoo, just think how nice our backfield would be now with Hunt/CEH. Damn!

I hate Dee Ford. He's the REAL reason we're not going for #3.

Chief fans should have red parts on Fridays. I guess a chapped ass qualifies

If Kareem being on the roster would have won us a championship, the only person to blame is Kareem.

I think there's a better chance we'd still be looking for our first title.

Damien Williams was outstanding in both post-seasons. Kareem probably would have been as well, but I'm not sure he would have been better. I also think that given chaos theory the entire 2019 season would've played out differently across the NFL. Crazy big changes like what if Baltimore made it to the AFC Championship game? Does some random thing result in us having a key injury to a player that derails our season? Do we draft all the same players in 2019?

Agreed. We might have won in 2018 with Hunt, but the defense would have still been terrible last year and we likely would have been looking for a new D Coordinator after the 2019 season.

How many Super Bowls would the Chiefs have won if Carl kept Gannon over Grbac?

How many beaten dead horse what if’s can we bring up.

WE MISSED THE SUPER BOWL BECAUSE DEE FORD LINED UP OFFSIDES. HOPE THIS HELPS

Amazing how Billay can take the cock out of his mouth long enough to make a stupid thread at least once a week.

It sure as **** failed in the first half. People seem to forget that 14-0 halftime hole they had to dig out of. Could Hunt have made a difference? Yeah, probably. If we're down 7 instead of 14, or down 11 instead of 14.... ugh. :banghead:

It's great that we are where we are now, but one Super Bowl doesn't cancel out all the heartbreaking, missed-it-by-that-much losses we suffered through.

True. BUT I took EXTREME satisfaction in beating the team Dee Ford was on in the Super Bowl the following year! Watching him do NOTHING, while watching our NEW #55 WRECK SF at crunch time was AWESOME! :clap:

Yes it does. It absolutely does.

Why are people still whining about Kareem Hunt? He's a dumb****, and the NFL took action. It's done, it's history, and we're world champions.

I don't give a single **** about Kareem Hunt.

Niners fans: "Quit crowing, Chiefs fans. Ford was still gimpy from his injury in the Super Bowl."

Chiefs fans: "Exactly."

Well, I'm glad it does for you. But for me, one championship doesn't make five decades of suck instantly vanish.

If we beat the pats and win the superbowl, sutton doesn't get fired we don't majorly overhaul the defense we may not win last year.

Kareem who?

You mean Abdul Jabbar?

Apparently Hunt is Barry Sanders and Jim Brown combined into one.

He can't even establish himself as the lead back in Cleveland. He was a product of our offense.

Seriously...

There’s a reason every player looks their best on the Chiefs. Especially in the Mahomes era.

We're better off without him, in my opinion.

We've got a potentially better RB for what we do on offense with fewer miles on him that will be on his cheap rookie deal much longer into the Mahomes years.

Hunt would have required a Dalvin Cook-type extension if he weren't an idiot doofus who gets into trouble. His extension he got from Cleveland pales in comparison to what he was in line for, if not from us then from some other team.

I fail to see where our run game was the issue in the first half of that game. There is literally zero evidence Hunt would have made any difference. And he wouldn't have been eligible to play anyway he was suspended by the league.

what does Kareem Hunt have to do with 5 decades of suck? Nothing.

What did Kareem Hunt have to do with Dee Ford being offsides? Nothing.

Who ****ing cares?

He wouldn’t have. He would have been on the commissioner exempt list even if he were on the roster.

Kareem did it to himself and the video of his recent traffic stop doesn’t inspire confidence that he’s changed his behavior since.

We're the defending champions, with the best player in football, who is TWENTY-FIVE YEARS OLD.

We're in good shape to defend that title. We'll be in good shape in 2021, too. With Reid, Veach, and Mahomes, we'll be fielding contenders for the forseeable future.

I don't get why anyone is wet blanketing over Kareem ****ing Hunt. Who ****ing cares?

I didn't even mention Hunt in my last post. His absence only potentially affected one devastating playoff loss. There were so many others.

I didn't get a memory wipe on February 2. I still remember them all. My whole point is one Super Bowl doesn't make them all magically go away.

I made the mistake of thinking the Super Bowl would let me watch Marty’s A Football Life from an objective standpoint.

I was wrong. Marty’s A Football Life makes Se7en feel like it had a happy ending.

It's the past man. It's over.

At least in Chiefsland, the present and future are great. Why you want to wallow?

It's a wallowy thread. :D

Yes

This :thumb: We probably would still have Dee ****ing Ford also. :mad:

Hunt was suspended, moot question. Move along.

Would you be straight if you stopped sucking dicks?

Discuss

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Maybe the idea is that he would have been eating nachos in the press box so powerfully it would have stopped the Patriots from running the ball down our throat 50 times

Hunt had no bearing on our failure. Williams balled out. Played out of his mind in both post seasons. The RB position was not to blame for the loss to Brady.

It took Andy not even getting the ball in OT of the afc title game because his putrid ****ing defense led by grandpa Bob Sutton surrendered THREE third and long plays on the drive that the Patriots bent him over and pushed his shit in to FINALLY fire his friend.

No, we would not be going for title 3. We likely would have one title, had Dee Ford been able to handle the complexity of lining up on his own side of the ball, in which Patrick Mahomes dragged that pathetic _fense, kicking and screaming to a championship. He would be more legendary than he is now, having been the only reason we won a title, but I don't see him able to keep up that pace to offset a defense that seemed to believe its objective is to give up points as fast as Mahomes can score them.

Look what he had to do to overcome that. 5000+ yards, 50 TDs, everything on him.

Losing that title game hurt badly. But the team got SO much better in that forced purge where Reid had no choice but to acknowledge that Sutton and his staff simply were not up to the challenge.

We are now set up to be the odds on favorite for the forseeable future.

Hunt would have been nice to have, but he screwed us, his teammates, and himself. He could have been a champion, a star player on an amazing offense. Instead, he will spend his time playing football for a team that likely does not see post season play.

Kareem Hunt is a fantastic football player, and an unfathomably stupid person. He should thank his lucky stars he is still able to play, and make decent money.

Well, we lost to the Rams with Hunt, and they were who we would've played in the SB.

Having Hunt wouldn't have made Sutton suddenly not be the worst DC in football.

Shit take.

The Rams that showed up in the Superbowl were not the same Rams we played in that Monday night shootout.

Cooper Kupp was out with an ACL, and Gurley was clearly hurt.

In the first meeting, against a healthy Rams team in LA, we turned the football over FIVE TIMES, twice for touchdowns, and lost the game BY THREE POINTS.

If you truly believe that given a rematch, that Mahomes would still turn it over five times, then youre a knuckle dragging mouth breathing butt ****ing moron.

The real question is

Would the Chiefs be going for the three peat if Kareem Hunt didn’t act a fool in the hallway and then lie about it?

I’d say yes

If we win the SB in '18, I think Andy most likely keeps Sutton. I have serious doubts we repeat with Bob as DC last season.