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cmh6476 09-18-2020 08:19 AM

Could the sausage be a competent goalline back?
 
In no way am I giving up on CEH after one week in the same role, but just throwing out food for thought (pun intended). A lot of teams use a lot of different backs in a lot of different ways. For teams that don't have a bruiser or a pounder, could the sausage fill that role and be a TD machine at the goalline?

I'm also not as smart as our coaches and don't pretend that I am qualified to suggest I know better than them how to get the most out of our players, or utilize them in the best ways to win. Again, I'm just asking a question specific to the sausage in general.

FloridaMan88 09-18-2020 08:25 AM

I prefer the jet sweeps near the goal line with Tyreek/Hardman.

Also it pads Mahomes’ stats since those count as TD passes.

RealSNR 09-18-2020 08:33 AM

CEH will be fine. McCullough and Bieniemy said he didn't always follow what was given to him on those plays, which would indicate that it's a coaching thing, not an ability thing. We all know Clyde is super coachable, so we'll be alright. Darrell Williams also has a good track record at short yardage carries. I believe he's never failed to convert for first downs when we've given him the ball on 3rd and 4th and short.

If we go to Sherman once in awhile, it will surprise teams, but he shouldn't be our version of the Fridge. That's not really who he is. The Packers years ago tried that with their FB John Kuhn, and it almost never worked. I was pretty shocked they kept coming back to him again and again to be honest.

oldman 09-18-2020 08:54 AM

Short answer, HELL YES!! I'm not saying he should get the ball at the 5, but 1st and goal at the 1 or 2, why not? We need to quit trying to outsmart the other team every time and just punish them instead.

R Clark 09-18-2020 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 15175219)
Short answer, HELL YES!! I'm not saying he should get the ball at the 5, but 1st and goal at the 1 or 2, why not? We need to quit trying to outsmart the other team every time and just punish them instead.

I agree right behind that left side

hometeam 09-18-2020 08:57 AM

I mean not saying the guy couldnt score at all, but hes got 25 career carries, lets just let the professional ball carriers do the thing.

gblowfish 09-18-2020 09:06 AM

Better as a lead blocker for Williams.

Hammock Parties 09-18-2020 09:09 AM

No. He's not worth anything more than an occasional surprise FB dive down there.

I don't think he's explosive enough for a critical situation. Best used as a surprise attack.

Dante84 09-18-2020 09:12 AM

I prefer my fullbacks to catch 30 yard wheel routes against divisional opponents.

R Clark 09-18-2020 09:12 AM

He looked good in Denver a few yrs ago ,pats 1st start?

KCrockaholic 09-18-2020 09:22 AM

I'd rather we just throw a deep fade to him at the goal line

scho63 09-18-2020 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15175192)
I prefer the jet sweeps near the goal line with Tyreek/Hardman.

Also it pads Mahomes’ stats since those count as TD passes.

Take a look at the video highlights I posted from last weeks game.

Tyreek could have walked into the end zone had Mahomes tossed it to him. :hmmm:

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smithandrew051 09-18-2020 09:48 AM

Maybe.

Reid needs to (and will) open up the playbook more in those situations when it matters. Put the ball in Mahomes’s hands with options. He’ll get a TD with three attempts within the 10 almost every time.

Dunerdr 09-18-2020 09:50 AM

He can be our Peyton Hillis.

Demonpenz 09-18-2020 09:50 AM

Sherman should never touch the ball unless it is a play where he is the last option. I guess you could do the fake toss fullback trap once a game to keep the defense honest but it seems like in the NFL he is just going to get stacked up after he runs right into the guards ass.

ChiTown 09-18-2020 09:52 AM

It’s one game. Not sure I’d change a damn thing at this point. He’s our guy. Let’s keep giving him the rock.

Bewbies 09-18-2020 09:57 AM

There was a game a couple years ago where he was the main back, and he looked great.

KChiefs1 09-18-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15175192)
I prefer the jet sweeps near the goal line with Tyreek/Hardman.

Also it pads Mahomes’ stats since those count as TD passes.


They always seem to work too.

RealSNR 09-18-2020 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15175249)
I prefer my fullbacks to catch 30 yard wheel routes against divisional opponents.

That's still one of my favorite Mahomes plays ever. Certainly not his most impressive, but it was just the timing of it all. Week 1, his second career start. He's already looked great in the game, and if Chiefs fans couldn't get a bigger boner, they just did when the goddamn fullback caught that long wheel route and rumbled into the end zone like Jerry freakin Rice.

If I recall correctly, due to a 1-week suspension for Demetrius Harris, Sherman was basically the #2 TE that game, and the fact that Mahomes got even him involved with a score was jaw dropping and amazing

RealSNR 09-18-2020 10:09 AM

Also, I think people are overrating size and muscle bulk in these kinds of situations.

Sherman is built like a tank, yes, but that doesn't mean he would run like one. You're far better off giving the ball to RB who can churn his legs and better identify where the weakest point in the line is. Sherman doesn't have that experience as a ballcarrier.

He's big and strong? Cool story bro. Guess what? So are all the massive elephants lined up on the defensive line. If you need to break/wiggle out of a tackle, Sherman isn't the guy to get that done. Odds are he's not going to overpower that many fat guys and get across the line, particularly if the DL gets any kind of pushback or penetration. Then we're REALLY screwed.

Pablo 09-18-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15175315)
That's still one of my favorite Mahomes plays ever. Certainly not his most impressive, but it was just the timing of it all. Week 1, his second career start. He's already looked great in the game, and if Chiefs fans couldn't get a bigger boner, they just did when the goddamn fullback caught that long wheel route and rumbled into the end zone like Jerry freakin Rice.

If I recall correctly, due to a 1-week suspension for Demetrius Harris, Sherman was basically the #2 TE that game, and the fact that Mahomes got even him involved with a score was jaw dropping and amazing

The moment I knew we had an elite qb. It blew my mind he threw that pass to that guy and it was feathered in perfectly. Just a beautiful play.

keg in kc 09-18-2020 10:31 AM

As much patience and change-of-motion as CEH demonstrates already, he'll be a beast in the red zone sooner rather than later.

MIAdragon 09-18-2020 11:12 AM

CEH will be fine, you don’t have to pound it over center each attempt.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-18-2020 11:14 AM

They need to develop Chris Jones or Mike Pennell to blow the Goal Line. They can also be a good decoy to toss to Hardman/Hill/ Watkins on a sweep.

You fake a handoff to Jones and you're gonna see 14 defenders trying to plug the goal line.

Megatron96 09-18-2020 11:37 AM

Sherm probably will score a couple times this season, and likely at least once from the GL, but running the ball is not really his strength.

Bowser 09-18-2020 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15175315)
That's still one of my favorite Mahomes plays ever. Certainly not his most impressive, but it was just the timing of it all. Week 1, his second career start. He's already looked great in the game, and if Chiefs fans couldn't get a bigger boner, they just did when the goddamn fullback caught that long wheel route and rumbled into the end zone like Jerry freakin Rice.

If I recall correctly, due to a 1-week suspension for Demetrius Harris, Sherman was basically the #2 TE that game, and the fact that Mahomes got even him involved with a score was jaw dropping and amazing

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 15175326)
The moment I knew we had an elite qb. It blew my mind he threw that pass to that guy and it was feathered in perfectly. Just a beautiful play.

Perfect route, perfect pass, perfect play. That shot at :30 -

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Bowser 09-18-2020 11:43 AM

I love how all the other running backs sprint down to the end zone to show Sherman some love

Sorce 09-18-2020 11:47 AM

In those situations we were already going to win. No need to get fancy, everyone knew he was running right up the gut. A sweep or screen probably would have scored but we were running clock and didn't need to show any cards.

threebag 09-18-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 15175222)
I mean not saying the guy couldnt score at all, but hes got 25 career carries, lets just let the professional ball carriers do the thing.

Keep ****ing Doubting The Sausage :)

Pitt Gorilla 09-18-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15175416)
They need to develop Chris Jones or Mike Pennell to blow the Goal Line. They can also be a good decoy to toss to Hardman/Hill/ Watkins on a sweep.

You fake a handoff to Jones and you're gonna see 14 defenders trying to plug the goal line.

Literally none of this is correct.

ToxSocks 09-18-2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15175667)
Literally none of this is correct.

I agree. Substitute Jones and Pennel for Sasquatch and the Abominable Snowman and he may be on to something.

They could literally just interdimensionally teleport to the end zone.

Deberg_1990 09-18-2020 01:23 PM

Absolutely. I wish Reid would stop playing ‘hide the sausage’ and just unleash him.

ReynardMuldrake 09-18-2020 01:51 PM

Just often enough that the defense has to watch for it, maybe 5 carries a season.

scho63 09-18-2020 02:01 PM

I would not see the Sausage as a lone back but the up back in a FB/RB alignment and him getting the ball for a carry.

Coach 09-18-2020 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15175249)
I prefer my fullbacks to catch 30 yard wheel routes against divisional opponents.

With the football placed perfectly in the right location that my fullback does not break stride.

crispystl 09-18-2020 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 15175326)
The moment I knew we had an elite qb. It blew my mind he threw that pass to that guy and it was feathered in perfectly. Just a beautiful play.

It was the Pittsburgh game for me. We couldn't win there to save our lives for so many years, and then here comes this kid that goes in there and throws 6TDs effortlessly and just blew their freaking doors off. I said to myself then..."holy shit...we're going to win a Superbowl with this guy"

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-18-2020 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15175667)
Literally none of this is correct.

OK . I suck. But it was a thought.

Easy 6 09-18-2020 05:16 PM

I've long said he's criminally underused in the offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want him being our primary goal line guy

That sorta thing works best in limited doses

But to have him in there blocking more often, and catching a few more passes... absolutely

Pitt Gorilla 09-18-2020 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15176162)
I've long said he's criminally underused in the offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want him being our primary goal line guy

That sorta thing works best in limited doses

But to have him in there blocking more often, and catching a few more passes... absolutely

Why? CEH runs best out of a single back set. If your fullback is catching passes, one of our other real weapons is catching fewer.

How does a greater workload for his slow ass improve things?

Deberg_1990 09-18-2020 06:57 PM

Does Sherman play on special teams? Not sure why the Chiefs keep him around if he’s not used much anymore?

Coach 09-18-2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15176479)
Does Sherman play on special teams? Not sure why the Chiefs keep him around if he’s not used much anymore?

Yes, he still play special teams.

ChiefsCountry 09-18-2020 07:31 PM

Remember when dipshit KCJohnny thought Kris Wilson should be our starting running back?

crispystl 09-18-2020 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15176119)
OK . I suck. But it was a thought.


Dude, don’t worry about it. This place has always been harsh.


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scho63 09-18-2020 08:30 PM

Or we could just bring back Dontari Poe for goal line situations? :hmmm:

Coochie liquor 09-19-2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 15176748)
Or we could just bring back Dontari Poe for goal line situations? :hmmm:

I’m telling you. Nnadi is that guy. I’d love to see him run hungry pig.

Easy 6 09-19-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15176588)
Remember when dipshit KCJohnny thought Kris Wilson should be our starting running back?

LMAO I'd forgotten about that

carcosa 09-19-2020 10:26 AM

Sign Jon Baldwin and convert him to running back!!!

JB4RB!!!!!

Halfcan 09-19-2020 03:29 PM

Sausage ran at least a dozen straight goal line plays during the open Saturday practice at Arrowhead. Scored every time.

Easy 6 09-19-2020 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15177934)
Sausage ran at least a dozen straight goal line plays during the open Saturday practice at Arrowhead. Scored every time.

Yeah he can definitely get it done, we all remember him being the bell cow vs Denver and doing quite well... but going to that well too often at the goal line or in short yardage isn't a good idea IMO

Once teams start keying on him, the effectiveness will wane


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