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Buehler445 12-21-2020 11:03 PM

2020-2021 NFL Coaching Carousel
 
This started a long time ago, but there are getting to be enough it's hard to keep track of. I'm sure I missed a bunch. Post them up and I'll try and keep it up to date.

Front Office
Panthers GM Marty Hurney
Texans Whatever Bill OBrien
Jags GM Dave Caldwell

Head Coach
Texans HC Bill OBrien
Falcons HC Dan Quinn
Lions HC Matt Patricia
Jets HC Adam Gase
Jags HC Doug Marrone
Chargers HC Anthony Lynn

Coordinators
Jets DC Greg Williams
Faid DC Paul Geunther

DJJasonp 12-22-2020 09:18 AM

rumors that Bill O'Brien interviewing for next head coach of the Mean Machine.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 12-22-2020 10:16 AM

Schefter thinks Bieniemy and Kafka could got hired

mnchiefsguy 12-22-2020 10:17 AM

Jim Caldwell interviewing for the Texans HC gig.

Coochie liquor 12-22-2020 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 15417537)
Schefter thinks Bieniemy and Kafka could got hired

Man hope we don’t lose Kafka.

TomBarndtsTwin 12-22-2020 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 15417537)
Schefter thinks Bieniemy and Kafka could got hired

As head coaches? Doubtful.

Of course, Bieniemy, but Kafka doesn't have near the experience or resume that Eric does. And let's be real, people (schefter) are ONLY throwing that out there because of him being the QB coach for Mahomes. As if that is why Mahomes is Mahomes.

I mean, look, not trying to shit on Kafka, I think he will be a fine offensive coordinator for us when Eric leaves, but again let's be real; it's Andy's show and his system and everyone that operates it (on offense) is doing what they are doing because they learned it from him. And then you have that Mahomes guy.

Andy and Mahomes are going to make a LOT of QB coaches and offensive coordinators look good running KC's offense.

That's why KC keeps losing offensive personnel (Pederson, Nagy, etc.) to other teams and doesn't miss a beat.

We all know who the straw is that stirs this offensive drink . . . . . . .

Titty Meat 12-22-2020 03:42 PM

Well Zac Taylor got hired when he was a QB coach for the Rams though he did have previous OC experience. Kafka is the passing game coordinator so I guess it's possible

OrtonsPiercedTaint 12-23-2020 07:42 PM

https://twitter.com/Bengals_News/sta...199323136?s=19

Marvin Lewis hasn’t coached in the NFL since 2018, but he wants to return.

The Texans are expected to interview Lewis for their head coaching vacancy, NFL Media reports.

Bl00dyBizkitz 12-23-2020 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 15420033)
https://twitter.com/Bengals_News/sta...199323136?s=19

Marvin Lewis hasn’t coached in the NFL since 2018, but he wants to return.

The Texans are expected to interview Lewis for their head coaching vacancy, NFL Media reports.

RIP DeShaun Watson if that comes to pass.

Why Not? 12-24-2020 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 15420033)
https://twitter.com/Bengals_News/sta...199323136?s=19

Marvin Lewis hasn’t coached in the NFL since 2018, but he wants to return.

The Texans are expected to interview Lewis for their head coaching vacancy, NFL Media reports.

While I fully expect the Texans to at least explore to see if Bienemy is interested, BOB may have left them so ****ed that their only play is a Caldwell or Lewis, “just give me another shot at being a head coach” type.

Buehler445 12-24-2020 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 15420073)
RIP DeShaun Watson if that comes to pass.

Depends on who he staffs up with. Remember Lewis presided over the Bengals when Chad Johnson and Carson Palmer were tearing up the league prior to cheap shots from those Steeler ****s.

Renegade 12-24-2020 11:56 AM

If you are a GM and your choice comes down to Lewis or EB, do you take Lewis just to deny the Chiefs an extra 3rd round pick?

Coochie liquor 12-24-2020 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 15420726)
If you are a GM and your choice comes down to Lewis or EB, do you take Lewis just to deny the Chiefs an extra 3rd round pick?

No because someone is gonna hire him and give it to KC anyway.

FloridaMan88 12-24-2020 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 15420726)
If you are a GM and your choice comes down to Lewis or EB, do you take Lewis just to deny the Chiefs an extra 3rd round pick?

If any team is dumb enough to do that then they deserve the mediocrity that would come with hiring Marvin Lewis.

displacedinMN 12-24-2020 01:18 PM

didnt know where else to put this


Detroit Lions interim coach Darrell Bevell will be the NFL's first head coach to miss a game because of COVID-19 protocols even though he has not tested positive for the coronavirus.

FloridaMan88 12-24-2020 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15420852)
didnt know where else to put this


Detroit Lions interim coach Darrell Bevell will be the NFL's first head coach to miss a game because of COVID-19 protocols even though he has not tested positive for the coronavirus.

I heard also he’s had to isolate from his wife/family this week which is his 28th wedding anniversary... talk about a shitty week.

Buehler445 12-29-2020 03:37 PM

Added Gase.

Buehler445 01-03-2021 10:54 AM

Who gets shitcanned this afternoon?

chiefzilla1501 01-03-2021 10:57 AM

I know offense is king. But especially with the head coaches available I don't know how Robert Saleh can be skipped over yet again. Way too good of a coach to have missed out twice.

dirk digler 01-03-2021 08:17 PM

Gase is gone

alanm 01-03-2021 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15431601)
Added Gase.

He get fired after the game. I haven't heard.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 01-03-2021 08:26 PM

Usually someone gets fired right after the last game. Gase it is

mnchiefsguy 01-03-2021 08:42 PM

NFL app just notified me that EB is interviewing with Atlanta on Monday.

dirk digler 01-04-2021 08:18 AM

Doug Marrone Fired.

Zac Taylor coming back

Buehler445 01-04-2021 08:32 AM

Updated for Marrone

WhawhaWhat 01-04-2021 09:22 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a> have put in requests to interview <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a> DC Matt Eberflus for their head coaching jobs, per sources. A hot candidate.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1346109888057978880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WhawhaWhat 01-04-2021 09:30 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We will reportedly interview Eric Bieniemy on Monday for the head coach position. <a href="https://t.co/DhlH8jmjhA">https://t.co/DhlH8jmjhA</a></p>&mdash; Atlanta Falcons (@AtlantaFalcons) <a href="https://twitter.com/AtlantaFalcons/status/1345924465155338240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

chiefzilla1501 01-04-2021 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 15442218)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a> have put in requests to interview <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a> DC Matt Eberflus for their head coaching jobs, per sources. A hot candidate.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1346109888057978880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's a solid choice too. He and Saleh probably got boned because everyone was hot on offensive coaches for a while.

Sassy Squatch 01-04-2021 10:10 AM

Don't worry, they'll find work elsewhere.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SOURCE: Two of the coaches Nick Saban is considering for Alabama’s soon to be vacant offensive coordinator role: former Jets head coach Adam Gase and former Texans/Penn State head coach Bill O’Brien.</p>&mdash; Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1346124297148907522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Coochie liquor 01-04-2021 10:21 AM

Any word on Gruden paying back his salary for sucking yet?

wazu 01-04-2021 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 15442235)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We will reportedly interview Eric Bieniemy on Monday for the head coach position. <a href="https://t.co/DhlH8jmjhA">https://t.co/DhlH8jmjhA</a></p>&mdash; Atlanta Falcons (@AtlantaFalcons) <a href="https://twitter.com/AtlantaFalcons/status/1345924465155338240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"reportedly"

Falcons can't confirm, but just want to let you know there have been reports.

Sassy Squatch 01-04-2021 10:23 AM

The hell?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaguars owner Shad Khan said he had roster control in 2020 and will make sure GM coming in knows he will keep that control for now, at least.</p>&mdash; Michael DiRocco (@ESPNdirocco) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNdirocco/status/1346121779081842690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

displacedinMN 01-04-2021 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15442344)
The hell?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaguars owner Shad Khan said he had roster control in 2020 and will make sure GM coming in knows he will keep that control for now, at least.</p>&mdash; Michael DiRocco (@ESPNdirocco) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNdirocco/status/1346121779081842690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

i.e. We will still have a shitty team thanks to my leadership.

smithandrew051 01-04-2021 10:40 AM

I’m on thankful to be a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs

Sassy Squatch 01-04-2021 10:41 AM

****

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chargers fired Anthony Lynn this morning, per source. Two seasons ago, Lynn led the Chargers to a 12-4 record, then this year they finished 7-9, winning their last four games, giving him a 33-31 record in LA.<br><br>Chargers now become the sixth NFL team to have a head coach opening.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1346133959806128129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dirk digler 01-04-2021 10:43 AM

Darn it Chargers you should have kept him

Chris Meck 01-04-2021 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15442381)
****

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chargers fired Anthony Lynn this morning, per source. Two seasons ago, Lynn led the Chargers to a 12-4 record, then this year they finished 7-9, winning their last four games, giving him a 33-31 record in LA.<br><br>Chargers now become the sixth NFL team to have a head coach opening.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1346133959806128129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I would think that might be the most attractive spot to land for any new coach. Loaded defense and good young NFL proven QB.

FloridaMan88 01-04-2021 10:45 AM

Shad Kahn, tied for second fastest owner in NFL history to reach 100 losses under his ownership (tied with the original 'Aints owner John Mecom and just behind Hugh Culverhouse with the Bucs).

RealSNR 01-04-2021 11:48 AM

No source, but I've just got this sinking feeling.

I'll betcha Byron Leftwich gets hired as a HC. There's always a WTF coaching hire every offseason that nobody saw coming. I'll bet this is the one this year.

FloridaMan88 01-04-2021 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15442572)
No source, but I've just got this sinking feeling.

I'll betcha Byron Leftwich gets hired as a HC. There's always a WTF coaching hire every offseason that nobody saw coming. I'll bet this is the one this year.

That would be a WTF hire... is he getting credit for “developing” Tom Brady?

wazu 01-04-2021 12:46 PM

I assume Toub is being called in for interviews as per usual, right? RIGHT?!

Megatron96 01-04-2021 12:47 PM

I doubt Marrone gets another HC job. Ditto Gase.

Anthony Lynn might get another look. Most of his issues appeared to be mostly about inexperience, rather than serious coaching flaws.

Megatron96 01-04-2021 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15442755)
I assume Toub is being called in for interviews as per usual, right? RIGHT?!

I don't see why not. Toub has an excellent resume, and it's not like NFL teams haven't hired ST coaches to be HCs. Has happened a lot. And some of the best HCs in history were ST coaches previously.

chiefzilla1501 01-04-2021 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15442755)
I assume Toub is being called in for interviews as per usual, right? RIGHT?!

Still don't understand why he isn't more of a serious candidate. Think front offices are mostly too afraid to sell to their fans hiring a special teams coach.

staylor26 01-04-2021 12:51 PM

Toub seems like he missed his window of opportunity to be a HC.

Which is great for us.

T-post Tom 01-04-2021 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15442572)
No source, but I've just got this sinking feeling.

I'll betcha Byron Leftwich gets hired as a HC. There's always a WTF coaching hire every offseason that nobody saw coming. I'll bet this is the one this year.

I could see the Jets doing that. 🙂

staylor26 01-04-2021 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15442572)
No source, but I've just got this sinking feeling.

I'll betcha Byron Leftwich gets hired as a HC. There's always a WTF coaching hire every offseason that nobody saw coming. I'll bet this is the one this year.

There will most definitely be 1 WTF hire and that’s as good of a bet as there is in terms of NFL assistants.

But I think it’ll be a college coach like Dan Mullen who’s already been rumored to be interested in the Jets job.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-04-2021 01:06 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Falcons announce that they completed a virtual interview with Kansas City Chiefs’ offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy.</p>&mdash; Alison Mastrangelo (@AlisonWSB) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlisonWSB/status/1346163962585505795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

New World Order 01-04-2021 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15442797)
There will most definitely be 1 WTF hire and that’s as good of a bet as there is in terms of NFL assistants.

But I think it’ll be a college coach like Dan Mullen who’s already been rumored to be interested in the Jets job.

Hopefully it involves Jeff Fisher

staylor26 01-04-2021 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15442817)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Falcons announce that they completed a virtual interview with Kansas City Chiefs’ offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy.</p>&mdash; Alison Mastrangelo (@AlisonWSB) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlisonWSB/status/1346163962585505795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like they want everybody to know they interviewed a black guy so they can now hire a white guy LMAO

New World Order 01-04-2021 01:11 PM

We'll miss you Anthony Lynn

dirk digler 01-04-2021 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15442825)
Sounds like they want everybody to know they interviewed a black guy so they can now hire a white guy LMAO

They had already interviewed their temp head coach so I don't think that is it.

dirk digler 01-04-2021 01:22 PM

Not head coaches but Chan Gailey is out in Miami and sounds like Kubiak is going back into "retirement".

Edit: ESPN has retracted the story about Chan Gailey being out.

Buehler445 01-04-2021 01:22 PM

Updated for Lynn.

Pour one out for my homie. RIP sweet prince.

staylor26 01-04-2021 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15442848)
They had already interviewed their temp head coach so I don't think that is it.

It was a joke.

Sassy Squatch 01-04-2021 01:27 PM

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Urban Meyer is reportedly seeking $12M per year to come out of retirement and become the Jaguars&#39; new head coach, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ProFootballTalk</a> <a href="https://t.co/02KRxFNeSS">pic.twitter.com/02KRxFNeSS</a></p>&mdash; Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1346168992818286592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

displacedinMN 01-04-2021 02:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gary Kubiak will be ending his stint with the Vikings and opting for retirement after two seasons in Minnesota.. Mike Zimmer will be looking for his 6th OC <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Skol?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Skol</a> <a href="https://t.co/MgmSQXDOaW">pic.twitter.com/MgmSQXDOaW</a></p>&mdash; Rick Sosa (@sosarick) <a href="https://twitter.com/sosarick/status/1346179551060238337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

displacedinMN 01-06-2021 10:04 AM

Chan Gailey OC of Miami resigned.

I did not know he was OC there . He needs to retire too.

Bowser 01-06-2021 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15442865)
LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Urban Meyer is reportedly seeking $12M per year to come out of retirement and become the Jaguars&#39; new head coach, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ProFootballTalk</a> <a href="https://t.co/02KRxFNeSS">pic.twitter.com/02KRxFNeSS</a></p>&mdash; Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1346168992818286592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://media.tenor.com/images/a036f...4cb3/tenor.gif

smithandrew051 01-06-2021 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15442865)
LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Urban Meyer is reportedly seeking $12M per year to come out of retirement and become the Jaguars&#39; new head coach, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ProFootballTalk</a> <a href="https://t.co/02KRxFNeSS">pic.twitter.com/02KRxFNeSS</a></p>&mdash; Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1346168992818286592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Smart on his part. Watch them pay it too.

DeepPurple 01-06-2021 10:29 AM

Here in Florida they're saying Dan Mullen the Gators head coach has thrown his hat into the NFL ring for a job.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...NG_400x400.jpg

Easy 6 01-06-2021 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15442388)
I would think that might be the most attractive spot to land for any new coach. Loaded defense and good young NFL proven QB.

Yep, thats a choice gig

Megatron96 01-06-2021 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15442388)
I would think that might be the most attractive spot to land for any new coach. Loaded defense and good young NFL proven QB.

Yeah, that would be a great starting point for any coach. They even have a nice complement of weapons to work with. Don't need to fill any gaping holes on the team, just need to mentor Herbert properly, and you're pretty much all set.

In58men 01-06-2021 12:49 PM

The Jets announced they have completed their interview with Eric Bieniemy #nyj

htismaqe 01-06-2021 12:55 PM

Herbert is now a "proven" NFL QB?

He looks good and he's young, so he can still get better.

He's FAR from "proven" though. That's just silly.

A coaching change at this point could actually ruin his career.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-06-2021 01:35 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs&#39; OC Eric Bieniemy interviewed today for the Jaguars&#39; HC job, as well as the Jets&#39; HC position, per source. Bieniemy interviewed for the Chargers&#39; HC job Tuesday, and Atlanta and Detroit on Monday. He now has interviewed for all teams with HC openings -- except the Texans.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1346899504486887425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

displacedinMN 01-06-2021 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15448584)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs&#39; OC Eric Bieniemy interviewed today for the Jaguars&#39; HC job, as well as the Jets&#39; HC position, per source. Bieniemy interviewed for the Chargers&#39; HC job Tuesday, and Atlanta and Detroit on Monday. He now has interviewed for all teams with HC openings -- except the Texans.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1346899504486887425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He will have to be offered one of those.

Megatron96 01-06-2021 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15448363)
Herbert is now a "proven" NFL QB?

He looks good and he's young, so he can still get better.

He's FAR from "proven" though. That's just silly.

A coaching change at this point could actually ruin his career.

Guess it depends on your definition of "proven."

At this point, in my estimation, Herbert has proved that he's a legitimate starting QB in the NFL. He could start for at least half the teams in the NFL and either improve or not see a drop off in the offensive efficiency of about 16 teams. to me, that's proven enough to keep starting him.

As for the changing of coaches, well, you could say that about any young QB. But I think we've seen enough to think that Herbert is going to have at least some success, unless he gets saddled with Gase, BOB, Kitchens or the like.

htismaqe 01-06-2021 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15448691)
Guess it depends on your definition of "proven."

At this point, in my estimation, Herbert has proved that he's a legitimate starting QB in the NFL. He could start for at least half the teams in the NFL and either improve or not see a drop off in the offensive efficiency of about 16 teams. to me, that's proven enough to keep starting him.

Certainly, if your definition of "proven" is "did enough to continue starting" I absolutely agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15448691)
As for the changing of coaches, well, you could say that about any young QB. But I think we've seen enough to think that Herbert is going to have at least some success, unless he gets saddled with Gase, BOB, Kitchens or the like.

Which happens once or twice EVERY YEAR in the NFL. SOEMBODY will make a complete WTF hire, it will happen. Just keep that in mind. ;)

DaneMcCloud 01-06-2021 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15442388)
I would think that might be the most attractive spot to land for any new coach. Loaded defense and good young NFL proven QB.

Except that no one cares about the Chargers in Los Angeles.

It's not as if there's an apathetic fan base in LA, which would be one thing, but the fact is that there's zero fan base for the Chargers in LA.

Megatron96 01-06-2021 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15448861)
Certainly, if your definition of "proven" is "did enough to continue starting" I absolutely agree.



Which happens once or twice EVERY YEAR in the NFL. SOEMBODY will make a complete WTF hire, it will happen. Just keep that in mind. ;)

See, I think "proven" can have more than one meaning, depending on the circumstances. If we're talking rookies, IMO "proven" means "able to hold your own in the NFL." If we're talking vets, it means being one of the top-half players at your position. Different context. Rooks, imho, need to be evaluated slightly differently than a 3- or 4-year vet.

And as far as Herbert is concerned, I think he's shown enough to say that he's "proven" himself as a NFL QB, considering he's a rookie. Some of the errors he made this season would be less forgivable as a 3rd or 4th year QB, sure, but he's expected to make rookie mistakes in his first year, so we throw most of those out as a matter of course.

If he keeps making those kinds of mistakes two seasons from now, then we have something actual to criticize.

And yeah, those coaches will get regurgitated somehow someway, but the odds aren't great that one of them will end up coaching Herbert.

Megatron96 01-06-2021 02:25 PM

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Except that no one cares about the Chargers in Los Angeles.

It's not as if there's an apathetic fan base in LA, which would be one thing, but the fact is that there's zero fan base for the Chargers in LA.

Do you think that will continue even if they start winning? Just asking because the LAC could become a better team, or at least far more exciting to watch than the Rams in just a year or two. Or maybe a lot of the Chargers fans that gave up being Chargers fans over the move might come back if the team starts winning?

Or is LA just not a good football town? When I lived in SoCal there wasn't an NFL team, so I can't judge how the city would react.

dlphg9 01-06-2021 02:38 PM

The Lynn firing is kinda surprising. Coaches don't usually get fired when they have a rookie QB show so much promise under them.

Megatron96 01-06-2021 02:44 PM

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The Lynn firing is kinda surprising. Coaches don't usually get fired when they have a rookie QB show so much promise under them.

It is a little surprising, but Lynn was personally responsible for losing 3-4 games through inept game management? Just saying I can see why ownership would go that way. Find a legit HC that won't those kinds of mistakes, or at least a legit offensive-minded coach to try and get them to the next level. A defensive-minded coach probably will only hold Herbert and the offense back at this point.

htismaqe 01-06-2021 02:53 PM

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See, I think "proven" can have more than one meaning, depending on the circumstances. If we're talking rookies, IMO "proven" means "able to hold your own in the NFL." If we're talking vets, it means being one of the top-half players at your position. Different context. Rooks, imho, need to be evaluated slightly differently than a 3- or 4-year vet.

Okay. I don't necessarily disagree.

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And as far as Herbert is concerned, I think he's shown enough to say that he's "proven" himself as a NFL QB, considering he's a rookie. Some of the errors he made this season would be less forgivable as a 3rd or 4th year QB, sure, but he's expected to make rookie mistakes in his first year, so we throw most of those out as a matter of course.

My issue with the word "proven" is that it means that something has been decided as factual. Is he good for a rookie? Yes. Has he arrived at "NFL QB"? Not yet. We've seen lots of guys have success early only to fall by the wayside when the surprise factor is gone. Does that mean it will happen to Herbert? No. Plus, Herbert's body of work isn't just average, it's above average, for a rookie, so there's reason to believe the drop off for him might not happen. He's just not "proven" yet because that simply takes time.

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And yeah, those coaches will get regurgitated somehow someway, but the odds aren't great that one of them will end up coaching Herbert.

Have you looked at the Chargers head coaches under the Spanos family?

Since Dean took over:

Kevin Gilbride (hired 2 years after Bobby Cox took them to a Super Bowl. Cox was hired prior to Dean taking over operations.)

Mike Riley
Marty
Norv Turner

and Mike McCoy

He ceded operations to his sons in 2015, they fired McCoy and hired Lynn.

Other than the complete shit storm that was Mike Riley's 3 years, they've had 3 QB's in all of those years:

Stan Humphries, Drew Brees (future HOF), and Philip Rivers (potential future HOF).

Never, ever underestimate the ability of the Chargers ownership to **** things up.

MahiMike 01-06-2021 03:03 PM

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I assume Toub is being called in for interviews as per usual, right? RIGHT?!

Equipment manager for the Lions?

DaneMcCloud 01-06-2021 08:33 PM

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Do you think that will continue even if they start winning?

No one gives a shit about the Chargers in Los Angeles, period. "Winning" isn't going to make a damn bit of difference because most of the people who live here don't even care about the NFL and those that do care about their hometown team or the Rams, who still had a massive following.

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Just asking because the LAC could become a better team, or at least far more exciting to watch than the Rams in just a year or two. Or maybe a lot of the Chargers fans that gave up being Chargers fans over the move might come back if the team starts winning?

The Chargers couldn't "excite" their fans in a city in which they spent more than 55 years, even when they had three future HoFers in Rivers, LT and Gates. Maybe they'll garner some fans if they have a prolonged run of excellence but one winning season isn't going to win over people who didn't give a crap about them in the past.

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Or is LA just not a good football town? When I lived in SoCal there wasn't an NFL team, so I can't judge how the city would react.

The Rams sold out from their first season at the Coliseum to their last in 1980, so yes, LA can be a great football town. Many in the city embraced the Raiders but the business leaders didn't want them back due to the violence associated with their last 5 years in LA.

USC and UCLA are nearly always sold out and the Rams broke a preseason attendance record back in August 2016. But I seriously doubt the Chargers can build a fan base and if they do, it'll take at least a decade or more.

staylor26 01-06-2021 08:45 PM

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The Lynn firing is kinda surprising. Coaches don't usually get fired when they have a rookie QB show so much promise under them.

Only surprising if you didn’t pay attention to the Chargers all season.

RealSNR 01-06-2021 08:56 PM

Lynn was a shitty head coach. And it's not even his gameday decisions that made him shitty.

The guy couldn't prepare his team. He is reportedly a very good leader and delegator, but the Chargers just never got creative or tried anything new. Offensively or defensively. That might be a staff issue, but if it's a coaching staff issue, then you have to look to the top at the guy who won't change when the wins aren't occurring.

Maybe he'll be more flexible if he gets another job somewhere else. But for now, I'd be optimistic about the team improving if I were a Chargers fan. Or at the very least excited.

In58men 01-06-2021 09:27 PM

If EB doesn’t get a HC position, I truly think foot on the gas all of next year.


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