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Mecca 01-05-2021 06:38 PM

Houston hires Nick Caserio to be GM
 
More New England trash, these teams will never learn.

DaneMcCloud 01-05-2021 06:40 PM

LMAO

So is Josh McDaniels next?

Sassy Squatch 01-05-2021 06:40 PM

Finally hired him. Maybe if they got him before the 2019 season they'd not be in a world of shit.

chiefzilla1501 01-05-2021 06:43 PM

So the remedy for Bill O'Brien is another bellichick stooge? Houston gonna Houston.

Sassy Squatch 01-05-2021 06:48 PM

Understandably Texans fans seem to be devastated

ChiefsCountry 01-05-2021 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15446397)
LMAO

So is Josh McDaniels next?

He was teammates with him in college. I would say very likely.

tk13 01-05-2021 06:51 PM

Maybe we'll start seeing all the Pats guys fleeing the ship here.

If they hire McDaniels those Colts/Texans games will be fire.

Coochie liquor 01-05-2021 06:51 PM

What a shit franchise. Enjoy mediocrity, Texans!!

Wisconsin_Chief 01-05-2021 06:54 PM

Doubling down on stupidity and failure.

It truly boggles the mind. The people who run half the franchises in this league are honestly just plain dumb. There’s no cute or fancy way to say it. They’re just idiots.

MahomesMagic 01-05-2021 06:54 PM

What a terrible idea. Plus they still have that creepy pastor guy making trouble.

FloridaMan88 01-05-2021 06:57 PM

Look at how awful the Faketriots have drafted the past several years now... amazing there are still sucker teams who are willing to buy into the Faketriots Way bullshit.

MahomesMagic 01-05-2021 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15446429)
Look at how awful the Faketriots have drafted the past several years now... amazing there are still sucker teams who are willing to buy into the Faketriots Way bullshit.

They passed on DJ Metcalf, Terry Mclaurin, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman for N'Keal Harry.


:mad:

tredadda 01-05-2021 06:59 PM

Deshaun Watson might as well keep making as much as possible from that organization as they don't have a desire to win.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 01-05-2021 07:00 PM

Watson needs to bad mouth Belichick to get traded. They probably need to trade him & restart anyway

ChiefsCountry 01-05-2021 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 15446435)
Watson needs to bad mouth Belichick to get traded. They probably need to trade him & restart anyway

Probably trade Watson to New England for nothing knowing those idiots.

staylor26 01-05-2021 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 15446435)
Watson needs to bad mouth Belichick to get traded. They probably need to trade him & restart anyway

This is classic overthinking.

It doesn’t matter how bad you are. If you have a young franchise QB you don’t need to trade him.

chiefzilla1501 01-05-2021 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15446460)
This is classic overthinking.

It doesn’t matter how bad you are. If you have a young franchise QB you don’t need to trade him.

I think the point is that bellichick stooges underthink and will bring in players and coaches who suck off the bellichick teat vs the best available player.

Jewish Rabbi 01-05-2021 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15446432)
They passed on DJ Metcalf, Terry Mclaurin, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman for N'Keal Harry.


:mad:

Imagine taking ****ing N’Keal Harry over Dick King Metcalf.

RunKC 01-05-2021 07:30 PM

If this happens Watson should demand a trade

Buehler445 01-05-2021 07:34 PM

Holy brother****ing hell.

I have no idea why in the depths of ****ing hell anyone would go back to brother****ing Cheatriot.

I’m beyond words

Mecca 01-05-2021 07:48 PM

(Mike Garafalo)The #Texans interviewed Matt Bazirgan, Trent Kirchner, Omar Khan, Louis Riddick and were scheduled to interview Scott Cohen. Sources say those five were on the final candidate list search firm Korn Ferry presented to the team.

Nick Caserio was not.

Jack Easterby is a wizard.


Uh Mike, you're dumb...

Mecca 01-05-2021 07:53 PM

Jack Easterby is all Joel Osteen up in this bitch.

chiefzilla1501 01-05-2021 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15446515)
(Mike Garafalo)The #Texans interviewed Matt Bazirgan, Trent Kirchner, Omar Khan, Louis Riddick and were scheduled to interview Scott Cohen. Sources say those five were on the final candidate list search firm Korn Ferry presented to the team.

Nick Caserio was not.

Jack Easterby is a wizard.


Uh Mike, you're dumb...

Yeah, in most circles that's called tunnel vision. Not wizardry. Why even hire a search firm when you only have one GM in mind. God I hate this mother****ing tree so much. I hope this fails miserably.

Mecca 01-05-2021 08:07 PM

Jack Easterby is Littlefinger, that's the best comp I got.

RealSNR 01-05-2021 08:11 PM

Does Nick also know Carl the Janitor like Scott did?

staylor26 01-05-2021 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15446476)
I think the point is that bellichick stooges underthink and will bring in players and coaches who suck off the bellichick teat vs the best available player.

I was talking about the part where he said they “probably need to trade him and restart”.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-05-2021 08:16 PM

That's embarrassing

KC Hawks 01-05-2021 08:18 PM

Anytime you can hire someone who has drafted 2 pro-bowlers in the last 8 years, you gotta do it.

Just Passin' By 01-05-2021 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15446432)
They passed on DJ Metcalf, Terry Mclaurin, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman for N'Keal Harry.


:mad:


That pick was reportedly another instance of Belichick overruling the scouts, and that's something Belichick does with frequency. Also reportedly, that sort of thing is part of why the scouts (and now possibly Caserio) have been leaving the Patriots in recent years.

tredadda 01-05-2021 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 15446575)
That pick was reportedly another instance of Belichick overruling the scouts, and that's something Belichick does with frequency. Also reportedly, that sort of thing is part of why the scouts (and now possibly Caserio) have been leaving the Patriots in recent years.


Brady made him look like he was a better talent evaluator than he really was.

Just Passin' By 01-05-2021 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15446582)
Brady made him look like he was a better talent evaluator than he really was.

They had good/great draft runs in a couple of patches. They just followed that up with bad stretches, which isn't really surprising, because GM work is largely hit and miss. But there's no question that Brady made it easier for Belichick to take gambles on picks against the advice of the scouts, and he did it a lot.

The Chiefs, because of Mahomes, are one of the teams now in position to do that same sort of thing, if they choose.

Just Passin' By 01-05-2021 08:34 PM

Something to watch



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So Nick Caserio wasn’t even in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a>’ GM presentation from Korn Ferry? C’mon y’all. Bob LaMonte, the prominent agent, represents....<br><br>1. Jack Easterby<br>2. Nick Caserio<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>3. Brian Daboll <a href="https://t.co/trzlkaAKrR">pic.twitter.com/trzlkaAKrR</a></p>&mdash; Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1346641143535198213?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

CasselGotPeedOn 01-05-2021 08:34 PM

Imagine having this creep pulling the strings in your franchise...

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...2fmk0dubap.jpg

Just Passin' By 01-05-2021 08:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a> and Nick Caserio have an agreement in place, source said. The former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a> Director of Player Personnel is the new GM in Houston.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1346645953370071044?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 01-05-2021 08:40 PM

Patricia as DC?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-05-2021 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15446538)
Jack Easterby is Littlefinger, that's the best comp I got.

He's not nearly that clever, despite the players saying that in the SI article. He's closer to the High Sparrow with McNair as Tommen.

Just Passin' By 01-05-2021 08:44 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Houston Texans now officially have hired former Patriots’ exec Nick Caserio as their general manager, as <a href="https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@McClain_on_NFL</a> said they would. The man they tried to hire in 2019 is hired in 2021.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1346646380979384322?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 01-05-2021 08:45 PM

Go back in time to 2013. The Chiefs have finally fired Pioli after years of protest by fans begging for a culture change. Clark Hunt goes out and hires not Andy Reid but......... Bill O Brien. That's how Texans fans feel right now. **** me.

carcosa 01-05-2021 08:50 PM

Lol

T-post Tom 01-05-2021 08:51 PM

I remember when the “Oilers” left town. I remember thinking, “Wow, it doesn’t get any worse than this for a NFL city.” Maybe I was wrong.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 01-05-2021 09:02 PM

Limited draft picks & cap issues. Watson may have to be MVP for several seasons

RealSNR 01-05-2021 09:07 PM

It’s not necessarily the best 53 players— it’s the right 53 players

Deberg_1990 01-05-2021 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 15446679)
I remember when the “Oilers” left town. I remember thinking, “Wow, it doesn’t get any worse than this for a NFL city.” Maybe I was wrong.

Yep. The NfL should have kept the name, colors and history there like Cleveland did the Browns

htismaqe 01-05-2021 09:37 PM

Poor Watson. He's going to be running either McDaniels' or Daboll's offense.

tredadda 01-05-2021 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15446843)
Poor Watson. He's going to be running either McDaniels' or Daboll's offense.

Allen seemed to benefit from it so who knows how Watson will fare in it.

Deberg_1990 01-05-2021 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15446843)
Poor Watson. He's going to be running either McDaniels' or Daboll's offense.

Daboll could end up being good? Who’s knows? Stranger things have happened

wazu 01-05-2021 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15446996)
Daboll could end up being good? Who’s knows? Stranger things have happened

I honestly don’t claim to know which of these guys will be good. Just what I’ve seen I guess Daboll seemed like a pretty good HC prospect. Not sure what all the negative vibes are about other than CP likes to shit on anything a non-Chiefs team decides to do.

Red Dawg 01-05-2021 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15446729)
It’s not necessarily the best 53 players— it’s the right 53 players

Those words should be a banable offense. How dare you sir!

Sassy Squatch 01-05-2021 11:01 PM

Haha

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">some things never change....</p>&mdash; Deshaun Watson (@deshaunwatson) <a href="https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1346682764523839488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ChiefsCountry 01-05-2021 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15447038)
I honestly don’t claim to know which of these guys will be good. Just what I’ve seen I guess Daboll seemed like a pretty good HC prospect. Not sure what all the negative vibes are about other than CP likes to shit on anything a non-Chiefs team decides to do.

You don't remember the shit show offense that Daboll was in charge of here?

wazu 01-05-2021 11:12 PM

Wow! Not a good look for Watson.

Deberg_1990 01-05-2021 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15447170)
You don't remember the shit show offense that Daboll was in charge of here?

Of course I remember. But he had no talent to work with on offense.

He’s done a good job in Buffalo

He might be a good HC or a bad one. None of us know yet.

Sassy Squatch 01-05-2021 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15447172)
Wow! Not a good look for Watson.

It's got to be a huge kick in the balls thinking you've finally escaped the culture of OBrien and Easterby only for your team owner to show himself as completely full of shit.

MahomesMagic 01-05-2021 11:17 PM

Plus Watson knows Easterby the pastor behind the DHop trade.

wazu 01-05-2021 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15447180)
It's got to be a huge kick in the balls thinking you've finally escaped the culture of OBrien and Easterby only for your team owner to show himself as completely full of shit.

Maybe, but unless he plans to try to force a trade this seems pretty dumb. (Trying to force a trade would be dumb, too.)

Deberg_1990 01-05-2021 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15447142)
Haha

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">some things never change....</p>&mdash; Deshaun Watson (@deshaunwatson) <a href="https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1346682764523839488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Some are saying he was reacting to the Jacob Blake cop getting off clean.

wazu 01-05-2021 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15447210)
Some are saying he was reacting to the Jacob Blake cop getting off clean.

If that were the case I think he’d have clarified by now.

Buehler445 01-06-2021 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15446532)
Yeah, in most circles that's called tunnel vision. Not wizardry. Why even hire a search firm when you only have one GM in mind. God I hate this mother****ing tree so much. I hope this fails miserably.

A couple things.

1. Now that all things Brother****ing Cheatriot have been scrubbed from Arrowhead, I’m fine with the competition doing dumb**** things like hiring Brother****ing Cheatriots. I do legitimately feel bad for Watson. Seems like a decent dude. Shit break man.

2. You don’t have to hope. It has failed miserably everywhere it’s been. Until it proves you otherwise, don’t worry about it. Foregone conclusion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 15446563)
Anytime you can hire someone who has drafted 2 pro-bowlers in the last 8 years, you gotta do it.

ROFL. Right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 15446616)
Imagine having this creep pulling the strings in your franchise...

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...2fmk0dubap.jpg

WHAT

THE

****

That shits worse than Pennywise creeping around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15447038)
I honestly don’t claim to know which of these guys will be good. Just what I’ve seen I guess Daboll seemed like a pretty good HC prospect. Not sure what all the negative vibes are about other than CP likes to shit on anything a non-Chiefs team decides to do.

Duuuuude. He was ass here. And de berg can say all he wants about no talent but a monkey could look at a play card and draw up a play that sent Jamaal Charles to where dudes weren’t and throw him the ball. I don’t even want to hear that noise. What he did here is on the record. Like it or not.

rabblerouser 01-06-2021 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15446490)
Imagine taking ****ing N’Keal Harry over Dick King Metcalf.

Imagine taking Mecole "I Gots It!" Hardman over Dick King Metcalf.

rabblerouser 01-06-2021 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15446432)
They passed on DJ Metcalf, Terry Mclaurin, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman for N'Keal Harry.


:mad:

They passed on DK Metcalf, too.

Wilson8 01-06-2021 02:03 AM

Texans are going to have to battle to dig themselves out of the pit they are in.

They don't have a 2021 draft pick until the 3rd Round and they are near the bottom of the league for Cap Space for 2021.

A story with some more information below.

Yep, I could see Josh McDaniels coming in as head coach and Matt Patricia being the new DC.

Quote:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...erby-wins-big/

Reactions are trickling in following the news that the Texans will make Patriots V.P. of player personnel Nick Caserio the team’s next General Manager. The common thread consists of two messages.

First, Easterby wins. As in executive V.P. of football operations Jack Easterby. Caserio is an Easterby guy, who presumably will defer to whatever authority Easterby will have.

Second, Easterby really wins. As reported by Mike Garafolo of NFL Media, the Korn Ferry search firm identified five candidates for the job: Texans director of player personnel Matt Bazirgan, Seahawks V.P. of player personnel Trent Kirchner, Steelers V.P. of football and business administration Omar Khan, Louis Riddick, and Ravens director of football research Scott Cohen. Korn Ferry did not include Caserio on its list of finalists.

But Caserio got the job, because that’s who Easterby wanted — and Easterby won the power struggle with Korn Ferry. (Korn Ferry presumably still gets paid its six-figure fee for creating a menu from which the Texans ultimately didn’t select.)

“Easterby is a wizard,” Garafolo declares.

Others in league circles would use other terms to describe Easterby. In the hiring of a G.M., however, Easterby got the guy he tried to get in 2019. Which, as one league source observed, allows Easterby to continue to pull the strings without the accountability that goes with being the G.M.

Next, the question becomes whether Easterby will get his preferred coach. Some wonder whether it will be Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who spurned the Colts three years ago and who has gotten less interest in recent hiring cycles.

The first question is whether McDaniels on Korn Ferry’s list. If not, McDaniels could be the man for the job.

wazu 01-06-2021 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15447497)
Duuuuude. He was ass here. And de berg can say all he wants about no talent but a monkey could look at a play card and draw up a play that sent Jamaal Charles to where dudes weren’t and throw him the ball. I don’t even want to hear that noise. What he did here is on the record. Like it or not.

It was one year on a sinking ship with Matt Cassel and Romeo Crennel. Whatever he was then, he’s proven to be a pretty good offensive coordinator lately. Maybe he’ll fail as a head coach but if his one year as Chiefs o-coordinator 8 years ago is the entire case for that it’s pretty weak.

RealSNR 01-06-2021 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 15447502)
Imagine taking Mecole "I Gots A Super Bowl Trophy!" Hardman over Dick King Metcalf.

FYP

Deberg_1990 01-06-2021 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15447497)



Duuuuude. He was ass here. And de berg can say all he wants about no talent but a monkey could look at a play card and draw up a play that sent Jamaal Charles to where dudes weren’t and throw him the ball. I don’t even want to hear that noise. What he did here is on the record. Like it or not.

He was part of a much larger culture problem.

Charles did have a great season that one year he was here.

Daboll had Cassell and Brady Quinn as his QBs. Enough said there.

Dunerdr 01-06-2021 07:49 AM

Is Deshaun the new Matty Stafford? Will everyone look back and say "Damn he was talented should have atleast challenged deep in the playoffs at some point."

Coochie liquor 01-06-2021 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15447610)
Is Deshaun the new Matty Stafford? Will everyone look back and say "Damn he was talented should have atleast challenged deep in the playoffs at some point."

He’s still got 10 years in him. That’s at least 2 more new GM’s and 4 coaches.

staylor26 01-06-2021 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15447588)
FYP

Exactly. Didn’t mean to downvote.

htismaqe 01-06-2021 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15446951)
Allen seemed to benefit from it so who knows how Watson will fare in it.

Daboll has a coach in McDermott who:

1. Doesn't care if they run Earhart/Perkins, he wants an offense that can win and

2. Isn't Patriot Way trash.

Daball as HC under Caserio won't be forced to tailor his offense to his QB's strengths, like he was asked to do with Allen in Buffalo.

Sassy Squatch 01-06-2021 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15447210)
Some are saying he was reacting to the Jacob Blake cop getting off clean.

Nah, I think it was about football.

https://i.redd.it/4quzziv5eq961.jpg

Buehler445 01-06-2021 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15447535)
It was one year on a sinking ship with Matt Cassel and Romeo Crennel. Whatever he was then, he’s proven to be a pretty good offensive coordinator lately. Maybe he’ll fail as a head coach but if his one year as Chiefs o-coordinator 8 years ago is the entire case for that it’s pretty weak.

He’s sucked everywhere he’s been pre-2020.

Someone posted his history in one of these threads, SNR I think. It’s cringeworthy.

htismaqe 01-06-2021 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15447535)
It was one year on a sinking ship with Matt Cassel and Romeo Crennel. Whatever he was then, he’s proven to be a pretty good offensive coordinator lately. Maybe he’ll fail as a head coach but if his one year as Chiefs o-coordinator 8 years ago is the entire case for that it’s pretty weak.

His entire body of work is not impressive at all.

He's done well with Allen but he's also working for a HC that has a very strong idea of how to run a team and his HC is not a E/P or Patriots guy.

He's been a position coach on some awful offenses (and one good one which featured Brett Favre at QB) but here's his scoring offenses as an offensive coordinator.

29th
31st
20th
32nd
30th
23rd
2nd (this year)

Bowser 01-06-2021 10:16 AM

Hey, does anybody have that definition of insanity on hand by chance?

MahomesMagic 01-06-2021 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15447842)
His entire body of work is not impressive at all.

He's done well with Allen but he's also working for a HC that has a very strong idea of how to run a team and his HC is not a E/P or Patriots guy.

He's been a position coach on some awful offenses (and one good one which featured Brett Favre at QB) but here's his scoring offenses as an offensive coordinator.

29th
31st
20th
32nd
30th
23rd
2nd (this year)

Where you have to give credit Daboll is being humble. He has failed at pretty much every stop as an OC prior to Buffalo. He only got another shot in the NFL after going to college and working under Saban.

There it looks like he soaked up the college game and his ideas now include all sorts of modern college concepts that were lacking before.

In Buffalo he was handed a QB with a rocket arm, size, and mobility. But Allen was not going to work in a Tom Brady Patriot offense where it is about fast processing and finding the open guy.

So Daboll created an entirely new offense designed to max out Allen and hide his weaknesses (processing the field, throwing with anticipation, knowing what to do post snap).

That's really what teams should look for now. Not someone that preaches a system and tries to jam the QB into it. Someone that will build around their QB and make them successful.

Deberg_1990 01-06-2021 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15447842)
His entire body of work is not impressive at all.

He's done well with Allen but he's also working for a HC that has a very strong idea of how to run a team and his HC is not a E/P or Patriots guy.

He's been a position coach on some awful offenses (and one good one which featured Brett Favre at QB) but here's his scoring offenses as an offensive coordinator.

29th
31st
20th
32nd
30th
23rd
2nd (this year)

Why would a good head coach hire a bad offensive coordinator?

htismaqe 01-06-2021 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15447866)
Where you have to give credit Daboll is being humble. He has failed at pretty much every stop as an OC prior to Buffalo. He only got another shot in the NFL after going to college and working under Saban.

There it looks like he soaked up the college game and his ideas now include all sorts of modern college concepts that were lacking before.

In Buffalo he was handed a QB with a rocket arm, size, and mobility. But Allen was not going to work in a Tom Brady Patriot offense where it is about fast processing and finding the open guy.

So Daboll created an entirely new offense designed to max out Allen and hide his weaknesses (processing the field, throwing with anticipation, knowing what to do post snap).

That's really what teams should look for now. Not someone that preaches a system and tries to jam the QB into it. Someone that will build around their QB and make them successful.

He started his career under Saban at Michigan State. He's part of the Belichik good old boy network. He's a Patriot Way jag off.

And as far as tailoring his offense, it's far more about Allen maturing than it is about Daboll doing anything right. Their offense was horrible last year.

htismaqe 01-06-2021 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15447870)
Why would a good head coach hire a bad offensive coordinator?

Favoritism. The NFL recycles retreads all the time, how is this even a question?

MahomesMagic 01-06-2021 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15447876)
He started his career under Saban at Michigan State. He's part of the Belichik good old boy network. He's a Patriot Way jag off.

And as far as tailoring his offense, it's far more about Allen maturing than it is about Daboll doing anything right. Their offense was horrible last year.

The offense you see now started in Allen's rookie year. It was completely made after Allen got injured where Daboll turned it into "One Read and if that's covered Run".

That was needed because Allen doing pro-style reading a defense was a DISASTER.

chiefzilla1501 01-06-2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15447866)
Where you have to give credit Daboll is being humble. He has failed at pretty much every stop as an OC prior to Buffalo. He only got another shot in the NFL after going to college and working under Saban.

There it looks like he soaked up the college game and his ideas now include all sorts of modern college concepts that were lacking before.

In Buffalo he was handed a QB with a rocket arm, size, and mobility. But Allen was not going to work in a Tom Brady Patriot offense where it is about fast processing and finding the open guy.

So Daboll created an entirely new offense designed to max out Allen and hide his weaknesses (processing the field, throwing with anticipation, knowing what to do post snap).

That's really what teams should look for now. Not someone that preaches a system and tries to jam the QB into it. Someone that will build around their QB and make them successful.

I think so. But everyone thought the same for Bill O'Brien when he went to Penn state. A bellichick stooge like Caserio could be an enabler that reverts daboll back to the same patriot way habits. He may have some hope if he goes his own way. But feel like with Caserio and Pioli lurking he will get sucked back in.

htismaqe 01-06-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15447893)
The offense you see now started in Allen's rookie year. It was completely made after Allen got injured where Daboll turned it into "One Read and if that's covered Run".

That was needed because Allen doing pro-style reading a defense was a DISASTER.

And despite Daboll's changes, Allen still needed almost a whole season to "get" it.

If he goes to Houston, with Watson, he's going to have carte blanche to go back to his old offense and force it on Watson. The good news for Watson is that he's already familiar with those concept because he's been playing in an E/P offense already.

The bad news for Watson is that Daboll's version of the offense is terrible and the only time he's actually been decent is when he was forced to change the offense to specifically fit the QB.

htismaqe 01-06-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15447904)
I think so. But everyone thought the same for Bill O'Brien when he went to Penn state. A bellichick stooge like Caserio could be an enabler that reverts daboll back to the same patriot way habits. He may have some hope if he goes his own way. But feel like with Caserio and Pioli lurking he will get sucked back in.

yep


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