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Marcellus 01-12-2021 09:32 AM

‘Modern-day Joe Camel’: Did Nickelodeon broadcast gloss over NFL’s violence?
 
I usually wouldn't quote and post an entire article from the Athletic but this one is so ripe for conversation I couldn't resist.

If you want to know why there shouldn't be NFL games on channels like Nickelodeon look no further than this article.

Quote:

‘Modern-day Joe Camel’: Did Nickelodeon broadcast gloss over NFL’s violence?

By Daniel Kaplan Jan 11, 2021

Social media basked Sunday in the New Orleans Saints-Chicago Bears game broadcast on kids channel Nickelodeon, with raves for the augmented reality slime showers in the end zone to precocious channel personalities offering Football 101 explanations. At one point in the early evening, the Nickelodeon broadcast claimed the No. 1 trending Twitter topic.

Winning head coach Sean Payton even subjected himself to a real slime bath after the game. But is this all akin to back in the day cigarette marketing, masking harsh realities — in this case a violent sport — with cartoonish marketing?

Chris Nowinski, CEO and co-founder of the Concussion Legacy Foundation, wrote in an email, “In general, I have no problem with sports broadcasting on youth platforms to create the next generation of fans. But I do have a problem with the NFL broadcasting on Nickelodeon while it is still recruiting 5-year-olds to tackle football. The NFL is the only remaining major league that spends millions promoting to young children a sport that will expose them to hundreds of head impacts a year and may eventually cause CTE (brain-wasting disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy). Tackle football is not appropriate for children under 14, so until the NFL stops recruiting young children to play, I see the Nickelodeon broadcasts as a modern-day Joe Camel.”

He took particular exception to how Nickelodeon broadcaster Nate Burleson described a hard tackle of Taysom Hill mid-way through the first quarter. Burleson, an 11-year NFL veteran and NFL Network studio show co-host, had been talking about slime with his fellow broadcaster when Hill went down hard on the turf. As Hill visibly struggled to stand up and a referee checked on him, Burleson said, “Yeah and Taysom Hill getting up a little slowly. It’s like scraping your knee at recess. You get banged up, you get back up, you go out there and play another down. But he’s going to do everything. You’ll see him play quarterback. You’ll see him play running back, which is behind the quarterback.”
Hill visited the medical tent, sparking some concern with him hitting his head after being limited due to a concussion last week. According to the CBS broadcast, Hill visited the tent to address a knee issue.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL Nickelodeon broadcast was worse than I expected. Announcer, after Taysom Hill hit his head: “[He is] getting up a little slowly. It’s like scraping your knee at recess. You get banged up; you get back up, and you go out there and play another down.” <br><br>That’ll get kids killed. <a href="https://t.co/Nixh90S7nC">pic.twitter.com/Nixh90S7nC</a></p>&mdash; Chris Nowinski, Ph.D. (@ChrisNowinski1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisNowinski1/status/1348452579798372352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The NFL has made great strides over the past decade to regulate the violent effects of the game, whether it be unaffiliated neurotrauma consultants, taking the head out of tackling, and investing in new helmet and turf technologies to absorb hits. The ethos of playing hurt no matter how bad is supposed to be an outdated approach.

Like nearly all sports, the NFL struggles with declining youth participation in its game, as video games and other forms of entertainment attract kids. In 2008, 3.5 percent of kids ages 6 to 12 played tackle football, but by 2019 that was down to 2.9 percent, according to the Aspen Institute’s Project Play. In 2019, for ages 13-17, the number of football participants (1.46 million) trailed basketball (3.44 million), baseball (2.18 million), and soccer (1.48 million) and was only slightly ahead of tennis (1.41 million), according to Aspen.

And beyond playing, getting kids to watch sports, whether football or others, when they can just view highlights, is a tough task. Twitter on Sunday was filled with tales of parents finally getting their kids to watch NFL games because of Nickelodeon.
Mike Rose, a raceway marketing director, tweeted, “Whoever green lighted this Nickelodeon NFL playoff game ‘test’ nailed it. My 9 and 11 year old have never been so engaged. And I won’t lie, it’s quite entertaining.”

It’s too early to measure the efficacy of the Nickelodeon broadcast in reaching the Gen Z demo. So far all one has to go on is the anecdotes of parents with happy kids. Broadcast figures aren’t out yet for Nickelodeon, which shared the game with sister channel CBS. Patrick Crakes, a former Fox Sports executive, cautioned on Twitter, “So, agree the Nick feed has potential. That said, we should wait until we see the viewing in the U18 demos … before assessing impact & utility. The fact that a bunch of 40+ media types think it’s the bee’s knees might just be a counter indicator….We’ll see.”
Jon Solomon, editorial director of Aspen Institute’s sports and society program, worried like Nowinski about the broadcast’s failure to acknowledge the violence in the game.
“When you’re making a broadcast dedicated entirely for kids, is there a responsibility to accurately explain all aspects of the sport so parents and families have a full understanding of the benefits and risks of football? I would say yes,” Solomon said Monday. “But I’m not surprised that it did not occur yesterday.
“You know, will parents and kids get an accurate representation, that this is a violent sport? It doesn’t mean that you should or shouldn’t play it. But let’s just make sure that everybody has all the accurate information.”

The website nflnickplay.com offers five health and safety tips, but they are about training and nutrition, Solomon said. In fact, he added Nick missed a big chance to highlight flag football because Saints quarterback Drew Brees is a big proponent. “So you’re here with the star quarterback on the Nickelodeon NFL broadcast. And you could have talked about, you know, what his experiences have been like for maybe a safer path toward playing later in your career?”
Nowinski’s CLF, which is a founder and collaborator in the Veterans Affairs-Boston University-Concussion Legacy Foundation Brain Bank, offers media training for NFL broadcasters and reporters on how to describe hard hits and the violence in the game. He wrote that he reached out to the Nickelodeon coordinating producer Shawn Robbins offering to train his team to prevent exactly this debacle from occurring. “We did not hear back,” according to Nowinksi.
Efforts to reach Robbins were unsuccessful. CBS Sports, and the NFL, did not reply for comment.
Many offered glowing reviews of the Nickelodeon broadcast for its ability to connect with kids and offering a dumbed-down broadcast. Even Solomon said, “So this is the NFL appealing to a younger audience and trying to get them into their game. And I think we’ll see more sports do this. I think it’s actually pretty smart.”

But Nowinski sees a far darker side. Referring to Burleson’s remarks after the Hill hit, Nowinski said, “The NFL Nickelodeon broadcast sent an incredibly dangerous message to children on what to do after hitting their head; this advice has literally gotten children killed. We need the NFL to do better.”
(Photo: Chris Graythen / Getty Images)

Jewish Rabbi 01-12-2021 09:39 AM

Seems like an article Deberg would write.

Kman34 01-12-2021 09:51 AM

JFC...

joethomas 01-12-2021 09:53 AM

If you're scared don't play

BWillie 01-12-2021 10:01 AM

This is why we can't have nice things.

Marcellus 01-12-2021 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15470756)
This is why we can't have nice things.

It seems like no matter what you do, its not enough to make some people happy.

I think targeting a young audience for the NFL is pretty odd anyway so its a bit over the top but good grief the guy who wrote this article quotes a dude who is basically saying this is going to get kids killed.

FloridaMan88 01-12-2021 10:11 AM

Girl's soccer is a close second to football in terms of rate of concussions among youth sports.

Yet the same people who are pushing this anti-football bullshit are also constantly telling us how girl's soccer is the "wave of the future" and overhyping its supposed popularity.

DaFace 01-12-2021 10:11 AM

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IowaHawkeyeChief 01-12-2021 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15470763)
It seems like no matter what you do, its not enough to make some people happy.

I think targeting a young audience for the NFL is pretty odd anyway so its a bit over the top but good grief the guy who wrote this article quotes a dude who is basically saying this is going to get kids killed.

It's not odd, it's brilliant. Kids have so many other interest other than sports in this digital world. Dads or Moms can't take their kids to the game when they are little when it runs about $400 for two. This is a great way to engage the young fan base and gain their interest.

Tonka83 01-12-2021 10:12 AM

I was told having commercials about Katie Sowers being the first lesbian woman in the NFL would make these people happy and they would go away. No?

Deberg_1990 01-12-2021 10:13 AM

Just dump some slime on it kids. All good

WhawhaWhat 01-12-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonka83 (Post 15470783)
I was told having commercials about Katie Sowers being the first lesbian woman in the NFL would make these people happy and they would go away. No?

No you weren't.

Bearcat 01-12-2021 10:18 AM

I would venture to guess kids watch sports because their parents watch sports (a lot like drugs, apparently)... and then want to play sports because they watch it, play it in the street, are somewhat forced into participating in Red Friday at school, etc etc.

Probably not by flipping through channels one day like it's suddenly 1993 again and discovering a newfangled sport on TV that they'll suddenly want to play.

They should take a survey from kids under 14 to see what they remember of the broadcast.... I'm sure they were all taking notes and really paying enough attention to get this guy's analogy.

KCUnited 01-12-2021 10:21 AM

Can we also talk about how the conversation devolved into candy and one broadcaster admitted to being called Sugar Baby as a kid because that was his favorite candy

****ing disgusting, bro

wazu 01-12-2021 10:24 AM

Gonna put a damper on Nickelodeon's upcoming UFC showcase.

Easy 6 01-12-2021 10:25 AM

The article is definitely overblown, that said I'm betting that was the last game Nickelodeon broadcasts

Between the loud F bomb that got dropped, and that Bear punching dude in the head... its probably not something they wanna repeat of

KC_Lee 01-12-2021 10:31 AM

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htismaqe 01-12-2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15470785)
Just dump some slime on it kids. All good

Is that like the millennial version of "rub some dirt on it"?

wazu 01-12-2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15470817)
The article is definitely overblown, that said I'm betting that was the last game Nickelodeon broadcasts

Between the loud F bomb that got dropped, and that Bear punching dude in the head... its probably not something they wanna repeat of

It's like when you're on the playground and some kid sucker punches your ass to the pavement.

Easy 6 01-12-2021 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15470850)
It's like when you're on the playground and some kid sucker punches your ass to the pavement.

LMAO

dlphg9 01-12-2021 10:36 AM

Oh no, the NFL is bad because the commentators didn't emphasize how deadly and dangerous football is. They tricked millions of families this weekend into thinking football is just a slime filled, pillow fight.

BWillie 01-12-2021 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15470763)
It seems like no matter what you do, its not enough to make some people happy.

I think targeting a young audience for the NFL is pretty odd anyway so its a bit over the top but good grief the guy who wrote this article quotes a dude who is basically saying this is going to get kids killed.

There are plenty of other programming available much much worse than WATCHING football. It's up to the parent and child if they want to participate in the sport.

First person shooter video games, violent movies...all much worse than the ultimate team sport that values working together with your fellow man to come to a common goal. There is no sport out there where working as a team is more important than football IMO.

Buehler445 01-12-2021 10:58 AM

My son is almost 3. I can tell you he gives less than no ****s about traumatic brain injury.

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15470817)
The article is definitely overblown, that said I'm betting that was the last game Nickelodeon broadcasts

Between the loud F bomb that got dropped, and that Bear punching dude in the head... its probably not something they wanna repeat of

ROFL

ChiefsCountry 01-12-2021 11:04 AM

Sports writers hate sports. That is what I have come to the conclusion the last couple of years.

chiefzilla1501 01-12-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15470817)
The article is definitely overblown, that said I'm betting that was the last game Nickelodeon broadcasts

Between the loud F bomb that got dropped, and that Bear punching dude in the head... its probably not something they wanna repeat of

Feel like a lot of that can be fixed with a delay and just by training/experience for the broadcasters and crew. But yeah, a LOT to work on. The article is an overreaction but they're not wrong about being extra careful about the CONTROLLABLE things kids see. If they have these common sense safeguards in place that's life if some things slip through. Not like these kids weren't noticing these things during CBS and Fox broadcasts.

Marcellus 01-12-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15470934)
Sports writers hate sports. That is what I have come to the conclusion the last couple of years.

It certainly seems that way at times doesn't it?

Marcellus 01-12-2021 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15470922)
My son is almost 3. I can tell you he gives less than no ****s about traumatic brain injury.



ROFL

Truth, there isn't much more of a DGAF about injury than a 3-10 year old boy.

When I was a kid around 7 me and my uncle who is of similar age (Catholic family :)) hauled a red pedal car up to the roof of my grandparents shed and got in it and drove it off into a pile of leaves. Pretty spectacular crash.

I would have loved to hear the color commentary on that.

loochy 01-12-2021 11:25 AM

Daniel Kaplan - modern day bitch

Buehler445 01-12-2021 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15470962)
Truth, there isn't much more of a DGAF about injury than a 3-10 year old boy.

When I was a kid around 7 me and my uncle who is of similar age (Catholic family :)) hauled a red pedal car up to the roof of my grandparents shed and got in it and drove it off into a pile of leaves. Pretty spectacular crash.

I would have loved to hear the color commentary on that.

ROFL

FloridaMan88 01-12-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15470817)
The article is definitely overblown, that said I'm betting that was the last game Nickelodeon broadcasts

Between the loud F bomb that got dropped, and that Bear punching dude in the head... its probably not something they wanna repeat of

The Nickelodeon broadcast has received widespread praise other than from the usual concussion opportunists.

There will likely be similar future broadcasts.

chiefzilla1501 01-12-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15471063)
The Nickelodeon broadcast has received widespread praise other than from the usual concussion opportunists.

There will likely be similar future broadcasts.

If they can figure out how to do something similar for the YouTube and gamer crowd the NFL market would explode. I would never watch it, but it's just sitting there waiting to be taken.

eDave 01-12-2021 11:58 AM

Why were they hawking car insurance?

ChiefsCountry 01-12-2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 15470985)
Daniel Kaplan - modern day bitch

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jettio 01-12-2021 12:08 PM

It was somewhat cruel to expose the innocent wee ones to the Bears' offense versus the Saints' defense.

eDave 01-12-2021 12:12 PM

Best quote I saw was how was Nick going to explain to the kids why Chicago took Trub over Mahomes and Watson?.

haha

Easy 6 01-12-2021 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15471063)
The Nickelodeon broadcast has received widespread praise other than from the usual concussion opportunists.

There will likely be similar future broadcasts.

If so, they'd be well advised to do as chiefzilla said and have a solid delay on it

KChiefs1 01-12-2021 12:43 PM

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KChiefs1 01-12-2021 12:45 PM

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KChiefs1 01-12-2021 12:59 PM

NFLN is showing the Nickelodeon version at 3pm today.

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DaneMcCloud 01-12-2021 01:02 PM

The Bears-Saints game had 28 million viewers on CBS while Nickelodeon added an additional 2 million.

Deberg_1990 01-12-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15471138)
Best quote I saw was how was Nick going to explain to the kids why Chicago took Trub over Mahomes and Watson?.

haha

Funniest thing ever was Trubisky getting voted NVP.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mitchell Trubisky (1) has won more NVP Awards than Patrick Mahomes (0) and Deshaun Watson (0) COMBINED. <a href="https://t.co/bTqVBQa2OO">pic.twitter.com/bTqVBQa2OO</a></p>&mdash; CBS Sports (@CBSSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1348433591143948297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DaneMcCloud 01-12-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15471081)
If they can figure out how to do something similar for the YouTube and gamer crowd the NFL market would explode. I would never watch it, but it's just sitting there waiting to be taken.

YouTube doesn't have broadcast rights to the NFL, which would cost them at least $500 million per season.

So unless they're going to outbid Fox, ABC/ESPN, CBS and NBC, there won't be any broadcasts on YouTube.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-12-2021 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15470706)
Seems like an article Deberg would write.

The Athletic is such a joke

wazu 01-12-2021 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15471301)
Funniest thing ever was Trubisky getting voted NVP.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mitchell Trubisky (1) has won more NVP Awards than Patrick Mahomes (0) and Deshaun Watson (0) COMBINED. <a href="https://t.co/bTqVBQa2OO">pic.twitter.com/bTqVBQa2OO</a></p>&mdash; CBS Sports (@CBSSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1348433591143948297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It was completely due to PFTCommentor tweeting to all of his followers to vote for Mitch. I liked how the broadcast crew embraced the unexpected result. Even though they wouldn't get to talk to Trubisky they vowed that he would receive the trophy they had. Burleson even provided his justification for the award that "he never quit trying his best" or something like that which works well on a kids show.

Discuss Thrower 01-12-2021 01:31 PM

Paid agenda posting.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-12-2021 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15470921)
There are plenty of other programming available much much worse than WATCHING football. It's up to the parent and child if they want to participate in the sport.

First person shooter video games, violent movies...all much worse than the ultimate team sport that values working together with your fellow man to come to a common goal. There is no sport out there where working as a team is more important than football IMO.

^this^ well said

chiefzilla1501 01-12-2021 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15471320)
YouTube doesn't have broadcast rights to the NFL, which would cost them at least $500 million per season.

So unless they're going to outbid Fox, ABC/ESPN, CBS and NBC, there won't be any broadcasts on YouTube.

Nah, not talking about YouTube broadcasting. Talking about making the broadcast appealing to a teenager who follows YouTubers just as nick did for kids.

big nasty kcnut 01-12-2021 04:55 PM

Don't care didn't read and also stop with this concussion stuff. We know that concussions happen that why they make new helmet to reduce it.

fan4ever 01-13-2021 09:46 AM

I know this is going to be considered sexist but so much has changed in our society, and not necessarily in a good way, once women convinced men to think like them.


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