Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate
 

In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?

find the same compromising photos of Goodell that Brady has....

Figure out how to prevent injuries. That’s what tanked us this year.

On the serious though.....
Let Sammy and DRob walk.
Find a young X receiver.
Figure out the OT position.
Tell Wylie to get ****ed.
Find another DE.

Good luck.

That's the only advice I can offer.

We've already wasted two..

It's going to be difficult to maintain this level of playoff consistency. We needed to cash in these last three years. I'm glad we got one and understand you can't win them all but I'm thinking we should have at least two.

We've got a lot of holes to fill. Outside of Niang coming back and being a Quentin Nelson type of presence to transform this OL, I don't see any quick fixes.

I think Mahomes will keep us competitive though. I'd guess probably an 11-5 or 12-4 kind of season incoming. Give or take a win based on injuries/lucky breaks.

O-Line
Tailwinds: Niang coming back, LDT coming back
Unknown: Schwartz's back, KO's knees
Headwinds: Fisher's achilles

WR
Tailwinds: Tyreek is elite, Hardman runs fast, Pringle can be WR 4/5
Unknown: If Hardman will learn how to play professional football, Watkins/Robinson are FA's
Headwinds: We need 2 legitimately good WR's either in FA or draft

Edge
Tailwinds: n/a
Unknown: If Frank will play well in the regular season
Headwinds: Tanoh is JAG, Okafor is JAG - the cupboard is bare here.

TE
Tailwinds: Kelce is elite
Unknown:
Headwinds: Nothing behind Kelce - Cupboard is bare if Kelce is ever hurt.

LB
Tailwinds: Gay will be back, Hitchens is fine but overpaid
Unknown: If Hitchens will restructure
Headwinds: Niemann is garbage, Wilson is JAG

Time to start cleaning out some of the deadweight on this team... Watkins, DRob, Wylie, etc.

We are set at QB, RB, and the secondary.

Despite the flavor of the week after that SB thrashing, I think we will be okay on the Oline once we have Fish, Niang and LDT back.

Need an edge rusher badly.

Need a receiver badly. Hardman ain't it. DRob ain't it. Sammy might be cooked like Mitch.

Yeah I'm not even sure where to start right now

There is no reason to believe Fisher will be available next year.

Left tackle is priority 1.

Just saw the other thread - my bad. Rough morning.

In order:
Priority 1: OT
DE
LB
WR2
TE2
CB

Get rid of Neimann. My God he’s terrible

We have a lot of holes to fill. We'll need to have an amazing draft/UDFA.

OL is a rebuild. DL needs pass rush help. LB could use help. Backup TE. WR needs another starter.

Veach can do it, but we need have some major holes, especially considering we may have lost both Pro Bowl tackles unexpectedly.

In no order.

OL, Edge, LB, WR, TE, CB

Fish isn’t back until late in the year most likely.

If we could just go to the store and pick these up

Talented Young Left Tackle

Good Center

Edge Rusher

3 Down LB

I think we can be a little more accurate in our speculation once we know what the nfl is going to do with the salary cap. If they cut to 175mil us and a lot of teams are going to have some tough decisions to make. If they just freeze it right where it is, we'll be a lot better off

My advice would be to start by looking at who is about to hit free agency from the Chiefs...

Sammy Watkins
Daniel Sorensen
Bashaud Breeland
Alex Okafor
Damien Wilson
Demarcus Robinson
Austin Reiter
Kelechi Osemele
Mike Remmers
Anthony Sherman
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Daniel Kilgore
Stefen Wisniewski
Antonio Hamilton
Mike Pennel
Le'Veon Bell
Ricky Seals-Jones
Taco Charlton
Deon Yelder
Andrew Wylie
Gehrig Dieter
Chris Lammons
Darrel Williams
Ben Niemann
Charvarius Ward
Byron Pringle
Alex Brown
Nick Keizer
Emmanuel Smith


By the way.. look at that list.. we are not set in the secondary by any means...

No, it is not, unless Fisher has unknown complications with his rehab and recovery.

General recovery time for an Achilles tear is 9 months for athletes, which puts him somewhere around Mid-September. I'd guess he'll start the season on the PUP and be ready by mid-season at the latest.

Terrell Suggs tore an Achilles and was back on the field in 5 months.

Worth monitoring. If that's the case we have more flexibility.

While I do want OL early I agree with the concept of not reaching.

If the choice is Kadarius Toney and a tackle who is solid but not high upside take Toney.

Take the dead money hit and move on from Hitchens.

Get Aj Green or Allen Robinson

You must reeruned.... Hitchens had his best year yet with this team. He was really good. What we really need tho is a damn coverage LB

Didn’t we just draft one of those?

Yea but Gay was out. Niemann needs to kick rocks

Fitzgerald or Curtis Samuel.

If Fitz isn’t retired I feel like he will re sign with AZ. Curtis Samuel would be a phenomenal get. But rn we are currently 15 mil over the cap

Trade up in the draft with to get Penei Sewell, we use Patrick Mahomes jizz in a cup to tell the Jets they are getting their franchise QB for the 2nd overall pick
Use blackmail pictures from Ballard's time in Kansas City to have him trade us Quention Nelson for Chad Henne since Colts need a QB
Sign Brandon Scherff for right guard.
Have Jason Kelce force his way to get cut from the Eagles, sign him.
Draft whatever tackle is there at pick 31.

We might have 1 of those. He just needs some good coaching-which we have

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/p...gho/o8dyTWpVhT

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...20pwanogho.php

Edge needs to be taken in the 1st if possible, if not grab center and get edge in the second.

Some WR help is needed too. Mecole isn't trash, but he might be better suited to just be our PR/KR guy. **** Sammy and **** DRob.

Some really need to hit the brakes a little and take a step back. Yeah there are holes and moves to be made, yeah we need to draft well again, but there’s a lot of good, cheap young talent already on the roster to pair with some obviously great veteran players.

With Niang and LDT coming back, you could maybe sign Osemele back for the minimum I think, that’s a start with the line. Damien Williams coming back is a forgotten but important piece. Ideally adding two major speed elements on defense with good Thornhill and Gay. I wonder if they move Sneed back out to outside CB cause I felt like his upside there was top notch. There are a lot of answers already in place.

I said last week this team will be set up to get back to the SB in a major way for 2021 and I still believe that looking at the offseason picture.

How about signing Osemele and Jason Kelce if he’s indeed released...

Your interior is solidified then with LDT returning.

We don’t even know when Osemele is going to be back.

Osemele tore up both knees. Maybe we can revisit in a year or two.

On Kelce, of course you do that.

Task #1: Figure out the Eric Fisher contract situation. My guess is that they want to keep him and he'll be ready by late October. The problem is that he only has 1 year left on his contract and a $12M cap hit. Kind of hard to extend him when he's just starting an Achilles rehab but also hard to just cut him and take the cap hit if he plans on coming back. So they're going to have to get creative there.

Task #2: Do something with Frank Clark's contract. Dude needs to take a pay cut but the Chiefs have very little leverage unfortunately. I think what ends up happening is he gets extended, lowering his 2021 cap hit but kicking the can down the road again. The other option is to eat his salary for 2021 and cut him after the season, which I just don't see the Chiefs doing.

Task #3: Extend Matthieu. Get some cap space and give him some guarantees. He's the heart of the defense, make sure he's here for the rest of his career.

Task #4: Rework Chris Jones' deal. That should give some cap space as well and his contract seems to be structured to do exactly this.

Task #5: Figure out who you want to replace Schwartz and if he's not on the team, go get him. Don't care if it's a FA, trade, the draft, or whatever. Just make sure you've got a guy you believe in at that spot going into the season.

Task #6. Figure out who you want to replace Reiter. See #5 above.

Task #7: Figure out who you want to replace Sammy Watkins. See #5 again.

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

That's a good list and puts the #1 pick in play for the most talented guy who can check one of these important boxes.

1.Can play tackle
2.Replace Watkins
3.Rush the passer

Don't you feel like between Niang, Durant, and Remmers we have RT covered? I realize Remmers is a UFA but I'm guessing he would re-sign.

Those would be at the top of my draft list, yes.

Niang and Durant are unproven at best and Remmers is a backup.

I don't think RT is covered at all, especially if any of those 3 are called up to sub for Fisher for a spell.

I know we don’t know exactly where he’s at, but if he can play, it seems clear he loves it here and will play for the minimum. IF he can play, it’s a no brainer.

We need all the value signings we can get moving forward. Hopefully a Jason Kelce is willing to come play for much less than he maybe deserves just for that one shot to win with Travis.

Frank Clark is making $26.3 million in 2022 and $27.8 million in 2023, do you really want to see them kick the can down the road and see that 2023 number go up to $30 million? That's an insane contract for someone who isn't even a top 20 DE in the NFL.

lol really?

If wasting years is 3 straight afc champ games, 2 sb appearances and 1 win I hope we waste a bunch.

The pats and Brady have skewed so many people’s thinking on these things it’s hilarious.

****ing hell that Clark contract sucks.

This. We find his replacement this year or next and let him go in the 22 offseason if he doesn't agree to a payout. In a perfect world we trade out of the 1st round altogether and get someone's 1st next year, they stink and we can grab a monster DE.

It sounds a bit elitist, but yeah. We’ve got the best player in the world, one of the best coaches, a bunch of studs on the roster and (what appears to be) a great front office. It’s disappointing when we don’t win the whole thing.

I understand how hard it is and that’s exactly why I say we “wasted” those two years by getting so close and not taking home the hardware. The one Lombardi is great and comforted me after the loss in the 2018 AFCCG and this last Super Bowl, but realistically we should have cashed in on one more in these last three years.

It’s only going to get more difficult as time moves on.

What do you want them to do?

If they do nothing, his cap hit in 2021 is $25M.

They can't cut him. His dead cap hit would be almost $40M. They either have to kick the can down the road or use up almost 15% of the cap to pay him in 2021.

It's a no-win situation honestly.

If everything you say in the first paragraph is true, no, it won’t get “harder”

There won’t ever be another patriots type run. It’s just not gonna happen. Stop holding it up as anything.

Yup Rodgers hasn’t even been to a Super Bowl in more than a decade. Russel Wilson hasn’t been to a conference championship since 2014 and Drew Brees didn’t ever make it back to the SB.

Dan Marino went to ONE SB and then never made it back either.

His cap hit for 2021 is $25M. In order to cut him after the season, they'd have to pay that. That's almost 15% of the total cap.

I don't see any way to get around it, they're going to have to extend him because paying him is going to kill their free agency plans.

Kick the can

Get him healthy. He was good in the playoffs

Love Frank, but goddamn. That is ****ing brutal.

As great as Tom Brady is, he only went to 2 Super Bowls between 2004 and 2014 and lost both of them.

There's no guarantees.

That being said, it isn't doom and gloom. As long as we have Mahomes, we're in the hunt. The front office just has to be better than GB and Seattle, which should be too hard - they're awful.

I would prefer to see him gone after 2021 myself.

I just don't see any way to get there without taking a huge chunk out of the plan for 2021 itself.

They're stuck.

Exactly.

If you wanna say they wasted 2018, fine. Maybe understandable.

But any season that ends with a super bowl experience especially after you’ve won 1, whatever.

Stack appearances and you’ll win a few.

I don’t think he was healthy this year. He’s hopefully still got that playing ability somewhere

Clark is fifth all time in playoff sacks. CP criminally underrates him

Yeah he really tore it up against Bucs in the SB.

God damn....you are stupid as ****.

He had the only sack and stopped a end around for a loss of 3

I feel good about our drafts the last 2 years. Even 2018 wasn’t terrible since we got Charvarious Ward for pennies to go with Nnandi.

I can’t state how good I think last years rookies will be. Clyde and Sneed are A+ picks. Niang has potential.

I really think Danna, Gay and Wharton will improve a lot in year 2. They all suffered from the pandemic.

Gay flashed a ton but didn’t know what he was doing. Should be ready next year.
And Wharton/Danna were smaller guys who didn’t have the opportunity to bulk up. I think they’ll get bigger and faster with a real NFL training program.

Gotta extend Frank to reduce his cap hit this year and move it to a season when the Cap expands dramatically in the next two-three years.

He single-handedly handed the Bucs a 3-and-out before the refs took the fight out of our defense.

Yep, seems to be the only logical choice. We don't want to be hamstrung next year when we have so many needs.

The defense did their job until they were effectively neutered by officiating. The coaching and offense shit the bed.

We had 7 dollars in cap space this time last year and ended up bringing everyone back

And y’all worried

They’ll figure it out.

Yep.

We're $15M over right now and the cap could be going down (not likely but it could).

So, bye-bye broke dick Watkins? Or does he not count?

http://japanalytic.com/wp-content/up...10/Rikishi.jpg

He is UFA so he wouldn't count.

He's a FA so he's not part of any cap number. They should let him walk.

Watkins can get the ever loving **** out now.

And?

Extend, convert whatever.

They know the cap will continue to explode. Kick towards the future and keep winning

Interesting take with Clyde and Sneed being A+ picks. I come to that conclusion if I switch the rounds they were drafted in. Meaning I switch the picks around and see excellent value as a pair. Sneed is A+ regardless, Clyde maybe a B for a 1st round pick.

You can restructure Mahomes, Hill and Kelce’s deals plus extend Mathieu to gain cap space.

Extend hill right?

CEH was near the top of the league in yards after contact and near the bottom in yards before contact.

The offensive line has a lot to do with how he played.

It's not that easy when you have guys like Fisher and Clark that you might want to jettison but can't because of their deals.

Just pushing everything to the future is how you end up not making it back to the big game.

Hill and Mathieu both need to be extended. Kelce just signed a huge deal so I do how you can restructure that and Mahomes I have no idea

That works as well, yeah.