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tyecopeland 03-21-2021 08:31 AM

Family can't move into house they bought
 
Story involves covid eviction issue and California law so might end up in dc.

https://www.foxla.com/news/couple-bu...orium-loophole

Added article in spoiler for those who don't like clicking links.

Spoiler!

TLO 03-21-2021 08:37 AM

This house lived close to you?

DJJasonp 03-21-2021 08:44 AM

thats brutal.

It would take all I had not to go crazy/violent....

Jewish Rabbi 03-21-2021 09:00 AM

Two takeaways

1 - Don’t live in California.

2 - I’d **** the lady who bought the house.

Munson 03-21-2021 09:04 AM

Squatters deserve a special place in hell.

GloucesterChief 03-21-2021 09:07 AM

Owners should get a shotgun and do the eviction themselves. Dude is trespassing.

displacedinMN 03-21-2021 09:08 AM

i would say shut off utilities but that would not end well either
put a tent over that house and have it fumigated

time to start blaring the loud music

I do not understand how he has any legal right to be there even under covid rules. He is not a legal resident, he SOLD the house. But it is Kalifonia.

notorious 03-21-2021 09:26 AM

Hire a crew that will go in and beat the ever-loving shit out of him.

wazu 03-21-2021 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15596449)
i would say shut off utilities but that would not end well either
put a tent over that house and have it fumigated

time to start blaring the loud music

I do not understand how he has any legal right to be there even under covid rules. He is not a legal resident, he SOLD the house. But it is Kalifonia.

I'm guessing he has utilities in his name and is paying them. That's why he destroyed the sprinkler system.

Rain Man 03-21-2021 09:31 AM

I'm curious what the loophole is. The guy is not a renter. It seems like you just pull your moving truck up, start moving in, and then tell the police you've got a trespasser. You've got to think the police would be sympathetic in this situation.

Johnny Vegas 03-21-2021 09:35 AM

Time to break the law and physically remove the douchebag from the house. Go to court, open a gofundme to pay for legal fees. Problem solved.

tyecopeland 03-21-2021 09:49 AM

Worst part of it is isnt the landscaping. It is the fact that he is likely to be tearing up the inside of the house too. Or at least letting it go to complete shit. Probably going to a huge fixer upper whenever it does get settled.

Kellerfox 03-21-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15596461)
I'm curious what the loophole is. The guy is not a renter. It seems like you just pull your moving truck up, start moving in, and then tell the police you've got a trespasser. You've got to think the police would be sympathetic in this situation.

Unfortunately, In all states, tenancy is established after a few days or weeks staying in a location regardless if you are paying or have a contact. Per law, the squater gentleman established himself as a tenant and has a "right" to be there. He can only be removed willingly or through a formal eviction process (which is paused in most states right now - not just California). Stories like this are happening everywhere right now and aren't uncommon.

The weird part about this story is that it actually happened/started before COVID (Jan 2020). It was always his plan to not vacate after sale, the COVID loophole just offered him greater protection. Makes him a special kind of assh*le and I hope the buyers are able to find a good lawyer than can get them $$$$$$$ damages after eviction.

Deberg_1990 03-21-2021 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15596461)
I'm curious what the loophole is. The guy is not a renter. It seems like you just pull your moving truck up, start moving in, and then tell the police you've got a trespasser. You've got to think the police would be sympathetic in this situation.

Yea. What’s the point of this loophole in the law?

notorious 03-21-2021 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 15596478)
Unfortunately, In all states, tenancy is established after a few days or weeks staying in a location regardless if you are paying or have a contact. Per law, the squater gentleman established himself as a tenant and has a "right" to be there. He can only be removed willingly or through a formal eviction process (which is paused in most states right now - not just California). Stories like this are happening everywhere right now and aren't uncommon.

The weird part about this story is that it actually happened/started before COVID (Jan 2020). It was always house plan to not vacate after sale, the COVID loophole just offered him greater protection. Makes him a special kind of assh*le and I hope the buyers are able to find a good lawyer than can get them $$$$$$$ damages after eviction.

That's the worst part, they will receive damages, but this guy is worth NOTHING, so the new owners are ****ed

Mecca 03-21-2021 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15596461)
I'm curious what the loophole is. The guy is not a renter. It seems like you just pull your moving truck up, start moving in, and then tell the police you've got a trespasser. You've got to think the police would be sympathetic in this situation.

The problem with that is laws about this stuff don't favor who you think it should. Once it's established he lives there he has rights to live there and can draw you out for a long time.

In a lot of states it goes so far as that if you let a friend live in your house for a couple of weeks that's his established residence. He has renters rights and you can't just kick him out..think about that.

displacedinMN 03-21-2021 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15596487)
The problem with that is laws about this stuff don't favor who you think it should. Once it's established he lives there he has rights to live there and can draw you out for a long time.

In a lot of states it goes so far as that if you let a friend live in your house for a couple of weeks that's his established residence. He has renters rights and you can't just kick him out..think about that.

If I had the time and energy, I would do what ever I could to get him out. Party on the yard, music, find the utilities shut offs--anything. When he is out, tackle him and arrest him. Tie him up and leave him on the yard.

ThaVirus 03-21-2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15596486)
That's the worst part, they will receive damages, but this guy is worth NOTHING, so the new owners are ****ed

Where did it say the guy's worth nothing? I only watched the vid but it said the squatter was the previous owner of the home who accepted the $560,000 cash for the sale.

The Franchise 03-21-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15596502)
Where did it say the guy's worth nothing? I only watched the vid but it said the squatter was the previous owner of the home who accepted the $560,000 cash for the sale.

Article says he needed the cash in two weeks. I’d bet he doesn’t have that money anymore if he needed it that quick.

Hammock Parties 03-21-2021 10:39 AM

lol

i had a temporary housemate a few years ago who, when the lease was close to expiring, PUT HIS NAME ON THE MAILBOX

i told him he had to be out of the house by a certain date - two weeks before i had to be out

he really dragged his ass getting out of there - i had all my shit moved out and everything he owned was still in the spare bedroom

3-4 days before the house had to be vacant i had to lay down the law with this guy

he was pretty spineless so a couple of sessions of that told him i meant business and there would be no squatting whatsoever

i stared daggers through that mother****er after i saw his name on the mailbox

a few days later i was cleaning that nasty ****'s fecal matter off the toilet, so he got the last laugh - dirty bastard

Baby Lee 03-21-2021 10:44 AM

plop Jian Yang down in his living room.

1 year, . . . free rent!!

Cntrygal 03-21-2021 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 15596435)
thats brutal.

It would take all I had not to go crazy/violent....

Same here.

When I lived in Oklahoma, I had bought a house with 6 acres. The day after I closed on it, the former owner and a couple other guys showed up thinking that they were going to rip out the damn chain link fence. :#

Let's just say, it didn't happen and they all left pretty quickly. ****ers.

Mecca 03-21-2021 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15596501)
If I had the time and energy, I would do what ever I could to get him out. Party on the yard, music, find the utilities shut offs--anything. When he is out, tackle him and arrest him. Tie him up and leave him on the yard.

There are literally comedy movies about this very thing.

PHOG 03-21-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15596522)
There are literally comedy movies about this very thing.

"Guest House" with Pauly Shore :shake:

Fansy the Famous Bard 03-21-2021 11:08 AM

Justifiable manslaughter.

displacedinMN 03-21-2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 15596527)
"Guest House" with Pauly Shore :shake:

not sure if I saw that.

But....shows...yes. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

PHOG 03-21-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15596549)
not sure if I saw that.

But....shows...yes. Desperate times call for desperate measures.



https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10054316/

mlyonsd 03-21-2021 11:21 AM

I imagine the couple is carrying the homeowners insurance on the place. I'd be scared to death of what the idiot is doing to the inside of the house.

displacedinMN 03-21-2021 11:31 AM

retreat....let him think he is in the clear....then all out assault on him.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-21-2021 11:33 AM

As if I needed another reason to not like CA. I feel for that couple. That would haunt you every day.

Halfcan 03-21-2021 11:39 AM

Fraud- plain and simple.

Bwana 03-21-2021 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 15596474)
Worst part of it is isnt the landscaping. It is the fact that he is likely to be tearing up the inside of the house too. Or at least letting it go to complete shit. Probably going to a huge fixer upper whenever it does get settled.


That was my first thought as well. Any POS that would pull what the seller is doing, isn't going to give a damn about keeping up the house. The seller needs his ass kicked. I have mellowed out a little bit, but with that said, I would seriously go over and drag the deadbeat out of the house, if I were in this situation.

LoneWolf 03-21-2021 11:47 AM

I get that they can’t force him to move out, but why can’t they move in? Just show up with moving trucks and have a moving company remove his shit and move their shit in. Make his life miserable.

Chief Pote 03-21-2021 11:49 AM

Never pay cash. Lots of alarms should have been going off on this one.

SupDock 03-21-2021 11:49 AM

Can't they just break into their own house and start occupying it?

let the police know in advance what you are doing, and just start legally occupying your own house.

You would think the state would step in

SupDock 03-21-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 15596593)
I get that they can’t force him to move out, but why can’t they move in? Just show up with moving trucks and have a moving company remove his shit and move their shit in. Make his life miserable.

Beat me to it

dmahurin 03-21-2021 11:53 AM

Man, I close on my first house in the middle of April, this is a nightmare situation.

vonBobo 03-21-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15596449)
i would say shut off utilities but that would not end well either
put a tent over that house and have it fumigated

time to start blaring the loud music

I do not understand how he has any legal right to be there even under covid rules. He is not a legal resident, he SOLD the house. But it is Kalifonia.

Correct! We have zero housing law problems here in Missouri!

vonBobo 03-21-2021 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 15596597)
Can't they just break into their own house and start occupying it?

let the police know in advance what you are doing, and just start legally occupying your own house.

You would think the state would step in

I would hate moving into that situation, and I especially wouldn't do it with my family.

How about they move in their own tennant "enforcer" on a day by day rental agreement? Can't be too hard to find an unemployed dock worker to make squatter's day and night hell.

vonBobo 03-21-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dmahurin (Post 15596603)
Man, I close on my first house in the middle of April, this is a nightmare situation.

Congrats!

Bill Brasky 03-21-2021 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15596581)
Fraud- plain and simple.

Agreed. Taking the money and not transferring product means he stole 560k. Perhaps try to get a federal agency involved...

lawrenceRaider 03-21-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15596459)
I'm guessing he has utilities in his name and is paying them. That's why he destroyed the sprinkler system.

They should be able to have him arrested for criminal destruction of property.

Otter 03-21-2021 12:55 PM

That couple is behaving way more civilized than I would be in the same situation.

Couch-Potato 03-21-2021 01:09 PM

I live here in CA and this is exactly the kind of bureaucratic bullshit that gives us a bad name. Far too many examples of legal nonsense replacing commonsense.

vonBobo 03-21-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 15596691)
I live here in CA and this is exactly the kind of bureaucratic bullshit that gives us a bad name. Far too many examples of legal nonsense replacing commonsense.

This person isn't covered under the covid eviction laws, he was never a tennant.

The squatter is exploiting loop holes and only delaying the inevitable, this happens in various ways all across the country and has nothing unique to do with CA other than people are obsessed with California.

Frazod 03-21-2021 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 15596586)
That was my first thought as well. Any POS that would pull what the seller is doing, isn't going to give a damn about keeping up the house. The seller needs his ass kicked. I have mellowed out a little bit, but with that said, I would seriously go over and drag the deadbeat out of the house, if I were in this situation.

And end up in jail, and then get sued. And considering that it's Kalifornia, successfully. What a ****ing nightmare. Reminds me of psycho tenant in Pacific Heights.

BWillie 03-21-2021 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15596487)
The problem with that is laws about this stuff don't favor who you think it should. Once it's established he lives there he has rights to live there and can draw you out for a long time.

In a lot of states it goes so far as that if you let a friend live in your house for a couple of weeks that's his established residence. He has renters rights and you can't just kick him out..think about that.

Yeah and its ridiculous.

Fish 03-21-2021 02:01 PM

Why couldn't they just wait for him to leave the residence, then break into their own house and throw his shit out?

Frazod 03-21-2021 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmahurin (Post 15596603)
Man, I close on my first house in the middle of April, this is a nightmare situation.

Back in the late 90s, my then-fiance/now wife worked for a title company in Chicago. The executives that ran the place were a bunch of weasels, and one day the feds swooped in, froze their accounts, and shut the whole operation down. Permanently. Not only did my wife lose her job, but it ended up that she worked the last two weeks for free, because she never got paid for them.

Of course, that's nothing compared to the people who were involved in closings that day at just the wrong moment. Old house sold, and then BOOM funds frozen, so they had to vacate their old home, but couldn't move into the new one because the purchase money was in legal limbo. IIRC this happened to two couples. Talk about getting ****ed.

I assume that eventually these people got their money released, but eventually was undoubtedly a long, long time.

Anyway, situations like this are extremely rare; like getting hit by lightning while being eaten by a shark. But you never know.

Good luck! :D

T-post Tom 03-21-2021 02:17 PM

You just know the inside of that house is going to be trashed when they finally get in. I know a couple that went through a similar issue. The person squatting claimed to be a non-citizen and not subject to the laws of the country. They finally got rid of him. But he stalked them for four years and they finally sold the property just to get away from the maniac. Frontier Justice might be the only hope of a fair resolution for the couple in this story. Just be smart about it.

displacedinMN 03-21-2021 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 15596765)
You just know the inside of that house is going to be trashed when they finally get in. I know a couple that went through a similar issue. The person squatting claimed to be a non-citizen and not subject to the laws of the country. They finally got rid of him. But he stalked them for four years and they finally sold the property just to get away from the maniac. Frontier Justice might be the only hope of a fair resolution for the couple in this story. Just be smart about it.

Home invasion.

You cannot be charged for breaking into your own home.

Munson 03-21-2021 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15596768)
Home invasion.

You cannot be charged for breaking into your own home.

I'm sure Commiefornia has a law against that.

Hammock Parties 03-21-2021 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 15596765)
Frontier Justice might be the only hope of a fair resolution for the couple in this story. Just be smart about it.

I know a guy. But he's a bit of a loose cannon. Known to shoot household appliances first and ask questions later.

Rain Man 03-21-2021 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 15596747)
Why couldn't they just wait for him to leave the residence, then break into their own house and throw his shit out?

I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning. As soon as you're inside the house and he's outside, then you claim that he vacated the premises and now California's laws work for you.

Bwana 03-21-2021 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15596737)
And end up in jail, and then get sued. And considering that it's Kalifornia, successfully. What a ****ing nightmare. Reminds me of psycho tenant in Pacific Heights.


Probably but..........

Frazod 03-21-2021 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 15596774)
Probably but..........

Yep. No way I wouldn't end up in jail.

Why Not? 03-21-2021 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 15596593)
I get that they can’t force him to move out, but why can’t they move in? Just show up with moving trucks and have a moving company remove his shit and move their shit in. Make his life miserable.

Right! Start blaring loud music. Also, just start ****ing everywhere in the house. Maybe this dude gets uncomfortable and splits.

Hoover 03-21-2021 02:32 PM

I'd stalk the shit out of the house, and when he leaves I'd break in throw all his shit out.

What bull shit

Rain Man 03-21-2021 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15596780)
I'd stalk the shit out of the house, and when he leaves I'd break in throw all his shit out.

What bull shit

Yep. In truth, I bet the squatter is as shocked as anybody that he's managed to do it. If you come in with a baseball bat and common sense I bet you could get him out.

Of course, there's always the chance that he's a true paranoid schizophrenic and you'd end up dodging sniper shots for the next 20 years, too.

T-post Tom 03-21-2021 02:40 PM

Interesting that the recalcitrant seller’s name doesn’t seem to be published anywhere. If I were the buyer, I would quietly plaster the seller’s name everywhere. Turn up the heat.

Perineum Ripper 03-21-2021 02:40 PM

Have a couple friends put out sprinklers in the lawn, wait for him to come out to break them again. Wife and husband go into the house after he walks out, lock doors, call cops on the asshole for trespassing.

threebag 03-21-2021 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15596442)
Two takeaways

1 - Don’t live in California.

2 - I’d **** the lady who bought the house.

https://images.foxtv.com/static.foxl....jpg?ve=1&tl=1

If you’re claiming a dicking at least throw out her pic.

Frazod 03-21-2021 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 15596784)
Interesting that the recalcitrant seller’s name doesn’t seem to be published anywhere. If I were the buyer, I would quietly plaster the seller’s name everywhere. Turn up the heat.

The homeowners probably do, but I assume for legal reasons the news agency can't.

God forbid they violate that thieving shitbag's right to privacy.

displacedinMN 03-21-2021 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15596810)
The homeowners probably do, but I assume for legal reasons the news agency can't.

God forbid they violate that thieving shitbag's right to privacy.

It has to be on Facebook

Pepe Silvia 03-21-2021 03:37 PM

Sadly the laws are for the criminals. I feel terrible for them.

Mecca 03-21-2021 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15596780)
I'd stalk the shit out of the house, and when he leaves I'd break in throw all his shit out.

What bull shit

If you did this you'd get really ****ed. He would tell the cops he's been living in this home for however many years etc. You're asked if that's true..it is..you're going to be told to remove him you have to go through legal channels because that is his established residence. You'd probably then be arrested for vandalism for doing anything to his stuff.

The laws that were written to protect tenants from landlords being douches are also used for these people, that's why you can't just do whatever you want.

Red Dawg 03-21-2021 08:22 PM

Cali is the worst state ever. ****ing pathedic. I would kill that mother ****er.

wazu 03-21-2021 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 15596682)
They should be able to have him arrested for criminal destruction of property.

That’s a great point.

Frazod 03-21-2021 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 15597095)
Cali is the worst state ever. ****ing pathedic. I would kill that mother ****er.

I don't even know if it's strictly a Kalifornia thing. As ****ed up as the country is right now this could probably happen anywhere. At least when it comes to urban areas.

Bump 03-21-2021 09:24 PM

its a scumbag thing to do, but really blame the law allowing this to happen.

Frazod 03-21-2021 09:29 PM

It really is amazing that common sense can't be used in a situation like this. It's not like this is some widow working three jobs with five kids to feed; it's a pure lowlife sitting on half a million dollars in somebody else's house.

Sadly, the only time you hear the phrase "common sense" used these days, it applies to something that's anything but.

Bearcat 03-21-2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15597151)
It really is amazing that common sense can't be used in a situation like this. It's not like this is some widow working three jobs with five kids to feed; it's a pure lowlife sitting on half a million dollars in somebody else's house.

Sadly, the only time you hear the phrase "common sense" used these days, it applies to something that's anything but.

Yeah, reading this earlier I was reminded me of a Dr. House quote... The whole point of the (criminal) justice system is to make things right when everything else fails.

And sadly, that's simply not true... sometimes you just need someone to stand up for what's right, and it shouldn't require a law degree or paying a lawyer $300/hr to figure it out.

stumppy 03-21-2021 09:48 PM

If the scumbag had to stay in a hospital a few days it would solve the problem. You just have to know the right people and your problems go away.

TribalElder 03-21-2021 11:04 PM

Oh yeah,

Reverse mortgages I've heard of those before

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rabblerouser 03-22-2021 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15596442)
Two takeaways

1 - Don’t live in California.

2 - I’d **** the lady who bought the house.

Those are two hard facts.

rabblerouser 03-22-2021 05:04 AM

'm just saying, I want to see this 4 bedroom house worth $460,000.

Buddha ****, I'm sleeping in a 6 bedroom worth 2/3 of that...

rabblerouser 03-22-2021 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 15597146)
its a scumbag thing to do, but really blame the law allowing this to happen.

Well, stupid California law.

In Missouri, things would be MUCH different.

Cntrygal 03-22-2021 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 15596784)
Interesting that the recalcitrant seller’s name doesn’t seem to be published anywhere. If I were the buyer, I would quietly plaster the seller’s name everywhere. Turn up the heat.

I wouldn't be quiet about it. If the news media wouldn't say his name, I'd post it all over every single social media platform that is in existence, along with any links to his online profiles.

htismaqe 03-22-2021 07:50 AM

Hey, at least they were able to buy a house.

I've been interested in 11 properties so far and all of them have sold before I can make an offer. The longest any of them have been on the market is 4 days.

:banghead:

TribalElder 03-22-2021 07:54 AM

is the home owner T. Williams?

Another example of why California is so ****ed

they can't recover, too much piss in their pool


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