Who are you taking in this scenario?
 

7 tackles go before 31. Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker, Jenkins, Eichenberg, and Cosmi are all off the board and the Chiefs either chose not to trade up or couldn’t.

Paye, Oweh, and Phillips are also off the board. As is Rashod Bateman.

Trade down isn’t an option.

I'm taking a DE (Oweh or Phillips?) or Terrance Marshall Jr. at WR at #31.

If I can, I'd love to trade down to about #40 and pick up another 3rd.

At 40, I'd look at Ronnie Perkins.

At 63, I'd take whichever OT prospect I like the most out of: Radunz, Little, Brown, Christensen.

Oweh and Phillips are also off the board in this scenario. I will add to OP.

Hypothetically, trading down is not an option.

Then Marshall it is.

I’ve seen 2 mock drafts with this scenario and both had JOK available. In one we took Radunz, and in the other we took JOK.

He’s a top 20 player for me and I think I’d have to go BPA as much as it would pain me not to take a T, DE, or WR.

Rousseau’s upside is too good to pass up at a position of need that is also a high value position.

If there’s any way I can be talked out of JOK in this scenario, this is it.

None of those guys

Very difficult to choose, I went Pat Freiermuth.

Pairing him up with Kelce would be insane and damn near unstoppable.

Then who? Realistically.

The guy you have as your highest grade out of cb, s, lb

You’d have a LB graded higher than JOK?

He’s a top 20 talent.

I have hard time taking a lb over Rousseau bc of positional value, especially considering his high ceiling. LB’s are cheap. Plus we need a DE like him. He could be a fit with development in our scheme.

JOK but Marshall is tempting.

I was very curious what you would do there.

That’s a tough one for you I’m sure.

JOK is too ****ing good though. Mathieu/Thornhill/JOK/Gay on passing downs in the middle of the field is SEXY. Top 5 D.

JOK would be amazing as the third safety/dime LB. He’s too good of a taken to pass up at 31 because you know that the Bucs are taking him if we don’t.

Ok, I changed my mind on jok. I still like Rousseau bc of his upside and positional value but jok playing the nickel is deadly. Take a look at this video.

https://youtu.be/xcoKhKZvTp8

I mean, Spags would love this kid.

He’s your WLB in the base defense. He’s a nickel LB or a third safety. And he’s your dime LB. He can cover. He can tackle. He can blitz.

Notre Dame used him as their nickel CB FFS.

He’s the chess piece at LB that Mathieu is at S.

Him and Gay would be such a great duo and they compliment each other well.

10000% has to be JOK using BPA logic (IMO). He is a bit undersized which could make him a bit of a difficult fit, but I'd draft him confidently and trust that talent negates size concerns.

In your scenario Marshall is probably my backup, but I do feel like that may be a slight reach.

Parsons is a bit higher but JOK is top 15-20.

If he falls to 31, you take him in a heartbeat.

JOK can play all 3 of those positions. He's easily the no-brainer pick in this scenario.

I’m talking about somebody realistically available at 31 in this scenario.

If he can play WLB and also Sorensen's role and upgrade that, then I'd be for it.

I want Sorensen upgraded.

My weighted preference, if limited to that group:

90% JOK
8% Rousseau
2% Marshall
0% the others

Not sure JOK is realistically available. Most of the reputable guys have him going in the 15-20 range. ;)

I know it's not exactly on topic...

but if we were to get a legit DE with real pass rush ability, then our front four is dominant.

Just saying.

This.

He would never leave the field, and would be a game changer in the Chiefs defense.

It’s highly unlikely, but the idea is that if all of those T’s are off the board, somebody fell.

In this scenario, based on recent mocks I’ve seen, it was JOK.

They could just as easily sign Ingram and have a dominant front 4, but I’d obviously like to get one in the draft either way.

Rousseau having only an okay pro day in a class full of freaks is the best thing that could happen to us. He was second in the nation in sacks last year behind Chase Young... and he is 20.

JOK is Jamal Adams

Assuming we can find a stop gap LT, I am more than okay with trading up for either of these guys. Probably lean Rousseau because of what I’ve seen from a dominant dline in the last 2 Super Bowls

Exactly my thoughts.

Rousseau or Tony, maybe Owusu.

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah hands down! Yes, Marshall is very tempting but I still stick with JOK.

If JOK was there at 31, I'd run to the podium.

Probably so quickly and recklessly that I'd trip, fall, and fail to get the pick in on time.

ROFL

Terrence Marshall. Then go for Walker Little in rd 2.

What’s your argument for Marshall over JOK?

Because it reeks of need over BPA...

LB doesn’t move the needle. We won a SB with slow LB’s that included Reggie Ragland.

What clearly did move the needle was no #2 WR. I know it sucks but watch the first quarter of the Super Bowl again. Mecole was very disappointing and blew a walk in TD on the first drive.

That would have changed the game. I think we can all agree that the offense was at a higher level when Sammy was healthy

So you’re passing on a top 20 talent because of perceived positional value.

JOK is more than a LB, he’s a chess piece.

This was my thought on taking Rousseau over JOK. A dominant dl causes more mistakes and gives our opportunistic Dbs more interception opportunities. Plus it’s an extremely valuable position.

JOK is interesting in that he’s a hybrid and can play nickel. He’s half db. So, he’s not just a LB but a playmaker. I’d be thrilled with either player instead of reaching for LT with the board as you’ve laid it out.

I’ll be looking for him bc his pro day is today. I have questions like his size and speed. He’s listed at 215 lbs? For a LB?

Regardless of that, the question you need to ask yourself is what moves our team in games? What decides games and is our strength? The answer to that is all things Patrick Mahomes, the pass rush and strong secondary.

I’m a big Willie Gay fan as well. I know they can exist together, but I think they feel very comfortable with him patrolling the middle of the field on passing downs. He definitely flashed that ability as a rookie

I like Willie Gay and I’m a huge fan BUT

He has yet to show that he can be counted on all game. So assuming the LB position is settled with him is not smart. And JOK is more of a Jamaal Adams type player.

I'd take Marshall

I’d be fine with any one of JOK, Rousseau and Marshall at that spot.

JOK is a safety AND LB.

He would play Sorenson's spot, Niemann's spot, AND could line up in the slot as well.

He's not "just" a LB.

JOK would be part of that "strong secondary" especially on passing downs. He's a guy that could realistically line up on TE's one on one. That would be huge for this defense as it currently struggles with TE's.

That's probably a better comparison.

JOK can play at all 3 levels of the defense. He's the kind of guy that could finish a season with 4 sacks AND 4 INT's.

Like, come on.


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If they pick him I won’t complain, but the team runs on the offense putting up points.

The SB exposed how weak we are at tackle (injuries), #2 WR and pass rush.

I think those have to be focal points considering all 3 are considered very good value in this draft from the top through the top 100

I get where you are but at the same time, we're not going to get many chances to draft top 15 talent while Mahomes is here. This is the perfect time to strike.

And 3 sacks... he’s a great blitzer too.

He'd be a difference maker.

I doubt he'd be there.

But I certainly wouldn't complain.

I’d rather have Zaven Collins, but JOK would be a good pick.

Exactly! "The punishing" is what this D needs!

and if so, can you see this guy "pile driving" Brady? In a sense of course!

The overwhelming consensus is... Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah

WITHOUT ? he would be more impactful than any "left over" OT left on the board.

So, either you draft up for a "star" OT or you pick BPA @ 31 or slightly move up for a killing machine. Crazy situation @ 31. Really "loving" this guy - HARD HITTER!

Before this week I wanted the best OT, Edge, or WR that was available at 31.

After signing DT Jarran Reed I think he improves the defensive line enough that KC can wait until the second or even third day to draft an Edge player.

So from the list that removes Rousseau.

I'm not really taken by that list of OTs and hope we can do better.

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah is a really good player and athletic, but he also measured in at 6-1 and 221 pounds.

Under this scenario, I am going with Terrace Marshall because I think he could really be dynamic in KC's offense.

Don't get hung up on JOK being a linebacker. Yeah, he's 221 pounds. He also plays like a LB in a safety's body. He can cover TE's, he can play slot. He can literally do everything in the back 7 except cover WR's on the outside.

He's a special talent.

Why?

I don't understand the obsession with Collins. He's a good player but he's not special.

I watched highlights of Zaven Collins (Tulsa) play and loved him. He is great for highlights and you fall in love with him.

Since then I've watched several Tulsa complete games and I gained a different point of view. He disappears for large portions of time. He is easily consumed by offensive linemen. Sometimes it just seems like he is just running around out there on the field. After the highlights, I was expecting so much more and was disappointed with his whole game.

I think Zaven Collins is a talented and special player. You can see that on the highlight recording, but I think he can be so much more.

Perhaps the right NFL team and coaching would help him be a more consistent player.

Exactly.

He's interesting for sure but JOK is just on a different level.

JOK isn't going to be in the realm of possibility. If he is though, get the kid.

Yep.

I change my mind

I picked leatherwood but these whispers of him saying hes maybe a guard ehh feel like I've heard that one before with tackles and it just doesnt workout

There is absolutely no way I’m passing on an offense featuring Ty Hill, Travis Kelce, CEH and Terrace Marshall.

I think it would be possible for Mahomes to not only match his 50 TD season but surpass it, especially in a 17 game season.

Thanks for the insight. I’ve watched and read a lot about Collins and love his potential...but haven’t watched any full games. Hearing that is a little disappointing.

Part of why I’ve kinda though all along that Collins could realistically be the pick (well before this thread) is because WR, OT and C are spots we can get a stud in rounds 2-5 due to the depth of the class when there may not be the opportunity to get a top LB talent later on. I could be wrong. If they end up picking him, I hope House can make him into a star so he and WGJ can own the middle for the next 7 years. That would be amazing.

Having a top notch WR2 like Terrance Marshall would make this offense nasty if we can get LT locked down.

That hit at 4:15. Damn.

The chiefs need a wr with short area quickness. Marshall is a build up speed wr. He’s not elite at creating separation when he breaks out in his routes.

Like Rondale Moore?

Absolutely... in the 2nd. His injury concerns are a risk. But yes, I’d love DE Phillips in the first and Moore in the 2nd. Sign a stop gap LT, preferably fisher assuming he can get healthy, and we win the Super Bowl.

You like guys with injury histories. I'll give you that.

stop-gap from what to what?

Fisher is highly unlikely to be ready to go 100% in September. That's a pipe dream.

Maybe but...

Veach told reporters Monday the team expects starting tackle Eric Fisher back by ‘mid-August’, just eight months after tearing his achilles in the AFC Championship game.

https://www.kshb.com/sports/gm-brett...-by-mid-august

gee did he really?

LOL

Nah we need some damn size and length and physicality at WR for once. Someone, like Marshall, who can make contested catches and be a threat in the redzone.

We haven't had a big physical WR that we can just throw it up to when everyone's covered since Bowe. Pat's never had that here. We have Tyreek and Mecole for speed, let's give Pat a bigger bodied WR that can go up and get it on the outside & in the redzone for once.

That was to start practicing. And that quote was made 3/1, before they cut him.

Pat probably won't have that here. Andy doesn't really like those guys.

Depends.

Are we talking 6'4" 220 guys? No probably not. We've experimented with some UDFA types in that ballpark though. Kemp, Fortson, etc.

6'2" 210 guys? We've had tons of them. Watkins, Conley, Robinson, Pringle, etc.

Right but those 6'2" 210 guys aren't the same thing. A guy like Watkins is like a WR in a RB's body. Yes, he's bigger but he's still a guy that excels in space and getting YAC. He's not really a matchup guy, he just happened to get a lot of 1-on-1 because of the guys he played with.