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Chris Meck 04-24-2021 06:27 PM

Meck Mock:Gimme back my Trophy
 
#58-Dyami Brown, WR North Carolina
He's always here, and i run several mocks each morning on both PFN and Draftnetwork. (alternate: Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR.)

#63-Payton Turner, DE Houston
He's always here, too. Good Spags style Edge.
(alternate: Joe Tryon, DE).

#144-Divine Deablo, S Virginia Tech
perfect for Sorensen's role. Who better to replace the great white hope from BYU than The Devil? Dirty Dan makes the occasional big play, but also whiffs on a dozen a game. Time to get better.

#175 Trey Hill-OC Georgia
Blythe's on a one year deal, and Hill has real potential.

#181 Benjamin St. Juste, CB Minnesota
Good size and ball skills for a Spags corner. We continue the late round steal at this position.

#207 Chris Evans, RB, Michigan
You can pick your guy, really, but I think we're going to take a guy late, and I like Evans' potential. Looked like a star to start his college career, then missed a season to injury and had an iffy 2020.

I didn't list any alternates after round 2 because player availability is just all over the place and who the hell knows? But at least in the second round, some combination of those players seem to be available.

The Franchise 04-24-2021 06:42 PM

Like it minus Deablo.

Chief Northman 04-24-2021 07:04 PM

Nice work. I don’t know what Chiefs fan would be disappointed with that haul...

BryanBusby 04-24-2021 07:30 PM

Hill would be a steal at that point. He just needs to go through Todd Haley's fat shaming program for awhile and he's good to go.

DaneMcCloud 04-24-2021 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 15643584)
Nice work. I don’t know what Chiefs fan would be disappointed with that haul...

Pretty much all of Chiefsplanet, because that's what they do...

I, on the other hand, really like it and would be thrilled if it turned out this way.

Just getting a WR like Dyami Brown to go along with Orlando Brown makes this team far better than the team that appeared in the AFC Championship game, IMO.

Throw in Thuney and LDT and this team looks to be the best team in Reid's tenure.

RealSNR 04-24-2021 08:59 PM

I... ok, look, I don't get what you guys see in Dyami Brown. There, I said it.

As much as we bitch about Hardman, he can do homerun balls. So can Hill. Hell, Robinson has done as much for us in the past, too.

We need a WR who can get first downs consistently. What do you all see in his hands and route running that makes you think he can do that?

No, that doesn't mean go with the giant slow elephant guy or the short-area quickness guys only, but Brown to me just seems too much like a one-note WR. A type of WR that we have PLENTY of on the roster.

No, I don't hate Brown. No, I won't bitch if we draft him. I'd just rather have other guys, that's all.

staylor26 04-24-2021 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15643652)
Pretty much all of Chiefsplanet, because that's what they do...

I, on the other hand, really like it and would be thrilled if it turned out this way.

Just getting a WR like Dyami Brown to go along with Orlando Brown makes this team far better than the team that appeared in the AFC Championship game, IMO.

Throw in Thuney and LDT and this team looks to be the best team in Reid's tenure.

This. Don’t forget Jarran Reed though. He’s going to have a huge impact as well.

DaneMcCloud 04-24-2021 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15643697)
This. Don’t forget Jarran Reed though. He’s going to have a huge impact as well.

Yeah, for sure!

I was just thinking about him today and the fact that there's been so little buzz about his addition.

The dude is an outright ****ing stud and with an even average end opposite Clark, this line will be among the best in the league, if not Top 3.

DaneMcCloud 04-24-2021 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15643695)
I... ok, look, I don't get what you guys see in Dyami Brown. There, I said it.

As much as we bitch about Hardman, he can do homerun balls. So can Hill. Hell, Robinson has done as much for us in the past, too.

We need a WR who can get first downs consistently. What do you all see in his hands and route running that makes you think he can do that?

No, that doesn't mean go with the giant slow elephant guy or the short-area quickness guys only, but Brown to me just seems too much like a one-note WR. A type of WR that we have PLENTY of on the roster.

No, I don't hate Brown. No, I won't bitch if we draft him. I'd just rather have other guys, that's all.

This draft is pretty deep for WR's so the Chiefs may be able to grab a guy like Brown in the 2nd and a complimentary/possession receiver in the 4th or maybe even 5th.

Also, you can never have too many home-run hitters. The Chiefs offense was at its best in 2018 when they had Kelce, Hill, Hunt/Williams and Watson, all of whom could break one off and take it to the house on any down.

With this new offensive line, Mahomes will have far more time to accurately scan down the field and another speedster certainly wouldn't hurt.

Oh yeah, and if Antonio Callaway decides he wants to play football this year, I could easily see him taken over that role but the question's always been whether or not he wants to play.

kccrow 04-24-2021 09:37 PM

I'd be thrilled. Only reason I didn't put Dyami Brown in mine is I don't think he'll be there. The only thing that would keep me from sprinting that pick to the podium is if Joe Tryon were also sitting there.

Chris Meck 04-24-2021 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15643573)
Like it minus Deablo.

Why you no like the debbil?

I think Deablo is a bigger, faster Sorensen.

Chris Meck 04-24-2021 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15643738)
I'd be thrilled. Only reason I didn't put Dyami Brown in mine is I don't think he'll be there. The only thing that would keep me from sprinting that pick to the podium is if Joe Tryon were also sitting there.

I think he will be.

And I'd be fine with Tryon and either Dyami or Amon-Ra.

truthfully, I'll be fine with whatever they do, because they've shown they know what they're doing, and I'm a damned guitar player. :)

Chief Northman 04-24-2021 10:31 PM

I’m confident one of those first two picks in the second round will be dedicated to wide receiver. And there’s a pocket of players there that I don’t think the Chiefs could go wrong with: Brown, St.Brown, Wallace and even Marshall if there is a sudden drop as there are rumours of concerns about some injuries.

I’m quietly rooting for Tylan Wallace because the guy just balls. He doesn’t blow you away with athletic traits, but his production and tape do not lie. The guy fights for the ball, he just finds a way, and many have compared him to Steve Smith Sr. when he came out. Who wouldn’t want that in their offence?

Will be interesting to see where else they go in that second round – I think it will either be edge, defensive back, or if one of the big name centers drops it could very well be there.

Stryker 04-24-2021 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15643738)
I'd be thrilled. Only reason I didn't put Dyami Brown in mine is I don't think he'll be there. The only thing that would keep me from sprinting that pick to the podium is if Joe Tryon were also sitting there.

This - would LOVE Joe Tryon! Can you imagine?

Stryker 04-24-2021 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15643775)
I think he will be.

And I'd be fine with Tryon and either Dyami or Amon-Ra.

truthfully, I'll be fine with whatever they do, because they've shown they know what they're doing, and I'm a damned guitar player. :)

Yessir you surely are! :thumb:

Chris Meck 04-25-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15643714)
Yeah, for sure!

I was just thinking about him today and the fact that there's been so little buzz about his addition.

The dude is an outright ****ing stud and with an even average end opposite Clark, this line will be among the best in the league, if not Top 3.

He's a big upgrade for sure. I think people have just been so focused on the glaring hole at LT that he kind of fell through the cracks.

Chris Meck 04-25-2021 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 15643614)
Hill would be a steal at that point. He just needs to go through Todd Haley's fat shaming program for awhile and he's good to go.

Yeah I think a year in an NFL training room would do him wonders.

Chris Meck 04-25-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15643695)
I... ok, look, I don't get what you guys see in Dyami Brown. There, I said it.

As much as we bitch about Hardman, he can do homerun balls. So can Hill. Hell, Robinson has done as much for us in the past, too.

We need a WR who can get first downs consistently. What do you all see in his hands and route running that makes you think he can do that?

No, that doesn't mean go with the giant slow elephant guy or the short-area quickness guys only, but Brown to me just seems too much like a one-note WR. A type of WR that we have PLENTY of on the roster.

No, I don't hate Brown. No, I won't bitch if we draft him. I'd just rather have other guys, that's all.

Well, what I see is a guy that could beat people vertically, so that's what he did. He's got the top end speed to threaten deep, but he's also quick, and while he didn't cut those routes off all that much in college and ran a limited route tree that doesn't mean he can't. I see a guy who fights for the ball, and for extra yards. I think the sky's the limit for him. I see Amon-Ra as a similar prospect; neither is perfect of course, but that's why they're likely to go in the second round. There's star potential there with some polishing though.

Chris Meck 04-25-2021 08:46 AM

I should note-

I didn't take any LB'ers. While I don't disagree that we could stand to upgrade the position, particularly in coverage, I just don't see how a high level pick is going to see the field much in 2021 or even possibly 2022.

Hitchens is blah in coverage, but he's so important as the defensive QB that he's not coming off the field unless he's injured. Gay showed real promise, and I expect he's penciled in as your day one WLB. We're in sub packages like 75% of the time.

So I don't think drafting a LB is the best use of what is now really thin draft resources when we can get potential starters into the 5th round. (Hill I think is a potential OC as soon as 2022.)

The Franchise 04-25-2021 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15643771)
Why you no like the debbil?

I think Deablo is a bigger, faster Sorensen.

I just like JaCoby Stevens more.

Chris Meck 04-25-2021 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15643928)
I just like JaCoby Stevens more.

I like Stevens in that role too.

I ran simultaneous PFN and DN mocks when I was picking my guys yesterday and Stevens has moved up apparently on the DN player ranking and was unavailable in that slot anymore, whereas he's usually been there.

Plus, Divine Deablo is the coolest name ever. LOL

I'd be pleased as punch with either.

kccrow 04-25-2021 07:26 PM

For what it's worth, Brugler has Deablo rated as a late 3rd to early 4th rounder while he has Stevens as a late 6th to early 7th.

I'd pretty well agree with him there. I think Deablo is much more consistent and more talented overall than Stevens in just about every aspect of the game. I'm very high on Deablo. I don't know if he'll be there late 4th, but I'd love the pick. I wouldn't mind Stevens with one of those late 5ths or our 6th either, but I do worry a bit about his mental make-up.

As for Brown, I think I've put enough out there on my thoughts on him but I'll say this, he does well running underneath and alot better than many give him credit for in these quick draft snippets of opinion. Chris Simms went in depth on how much he also likes Brown's game outside of just going deep. The routes he was asked to run underneath were very good. I think he's going to be a stud.

htismaqe 04-26-2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15644650)
As for Brown, I think I've put enough out there on my thoughts on him but I'll say this, he does well running underneath and alot better than many give him credit for in these quick draft snippets of opinion. Chris Simms went in depth on how much he also likes Brown's game outside of just going deep. The routes he was asked to run underneath were very good. I think he's going to be a stud.

People only need to look to Tarheels OC Phil Longo. Look at his WR's in recent drafts - a lot of them had this same "criticism" about being a deep ball-only guy and they overcame it big time. Just look at DJ Metcalf and AJ Brown.

Longo is a Mike Leach disciple but there's a fundamental thing about his offense that bears discussing:

Longo's offense puts an emphasis on simplifying the QB position by moving some responsibility to other spots - namely WIDE RECEIVER.

All WR's in Longo's offense are required to learn every coverage. They rely on pre-snap reads to determine the best available routes and run A LOT of option routes depending on defensive alignments and coverage.

After reading up on the subject, I am firmly convinced that Dyami Brown will be the latest 2nd round Longo-coached prospect that will exceed his draft day status.

In case you're interested:

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/co...olific-offense

Chris Meck 04-26-2021 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15645143)
People only need to look to Tarheels OC Phil Longo. Look at his WR's in recent drafts - a lot of them had this same "criticism" about being a deep ball-only guy and they overcame it big time. Just look at DJ Metcalf and AJ Brown.

Longo is a Mike Leach disciple but there's a fundamental thing about his offense that bears discussing:

Longo's offense puts an emphasis on simplifying the QB position by moving some responsibility to other spots - namely WIDE RECEIVER.

All WR's in Longo's offense are required to learn every coverage. They rely on pre-snap reads to determine the best available routes and run A LOT of option routes depending on defensive alignments and coverage.

After reading up on the subject, I am firmly convinced that Dyami Brown will be the latest 2nd round Longo-coached prospect that will exceed his draft day status.

In case you're interested:

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/co...olific-offense

Interesting! I did not know that. It makes me like Dyami even more.

htismaqe 04-26-2021 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15645147)
Interesting! I did not know that. It makes me like Dyami even more.

Yeah, after kccrow kept bringing up Brown and talking him up, I decided to do some research and that's what I found.

I will say this:

I'm glad Crow was so adamant because after doing a lot of reading, Brown is my favorite WR (realistic) prospect in this draft.

The Franchise 04-26-2021 09:46 AM

Now the question is this.....would you be okay if they traded up in the 2nd to get Brown?

htismaqe 04-26-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15645174)
Now the question is this.....would you be okay if they traded up in the 2nd to get Brown?

Given that they have no 3rd round pick, I'd prefer they stay put.

However, I wouldn't shit myself and cry if they traded up. I'm convinced Brown is going to be a stud.

RealSNR 04-26-2021 09:56 AM

So is there anybody else in the Rondale Moore corner or is it just kcbubb?

htismaqe's post on UNC's offense has me buying more stock in Dyami Brown now.

CatfishBob2 04-26-2021 03:48 PM

I think we took ourselves out of the running for Brown unless we trade up, especially with Marshall falling... I'm thinking he's gone somewhere around the 40th pick. Idk what we have to get there

kcbubb 04-26-2021 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15645191)
So is there anybody else in the Rondale Moore corner or is it just kcbubb?

htismaqe's post on UNC's offense has me buying more stock in Dyami Brown now.

Dyami maybe a great wr but he’s too much like hardman. Mostly a deep threat with skinny legs.

I can’t understand how so many compare Rondale to hardman when dyami is clearly much more like hardman. It’s like people just see his height and say rondale and hardman are the same.

Chris Meck 04-26-2021 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 15646111)
Dyami maybe a great wr but he’s too much like hardman. Mostly a deep threat with skinny legs.

I can’t understand how so many compare Rondale to hardman when dyami is clearly much more like hardman. It’s like people just see his height and say they are the same.

Other than being fast, I see nothing similar about them whatsoever.

Chris Meck 04-26-2021 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15645185)
Given that they have no 3rd round pick, I'd prefer they stay put.

However, I wouldn't shit myself and cry if they traded up. I'm convinced Brown is going to be a stud.

I like Amon-Ra St. Brown as well, and one of the two should be there.

duncan_idaho 04-26-2021 06:36 PM

Dyami, Sun God, Amari Rodgers ... all guys that work at 58 or 63 for me.

I’m looking for guys who can work the middle of the field and run good routes to gain separation. All those guys can do that.

Dyami Brown has the most upside. But Amon-Ra Brown and Rodgers are both guys who can be consistent chain movers that complement Kelce and well.

Stryker 04-26-2021 08:59 PM

Man I love ya but posted this in another thread for #58 and #63

#58

Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford
or
Elijah Moulden, S, Washington

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#63

Jabril Cox, LB, LSU
or
Peyton Turner, DE, Houston

Whichever way the Chiefs decide is fine with me. They already checked the boxes on the offensive line so time to turn to the D and let Spags decide what he wants to reinforce the defense. Everybody wins!

htismaqe 04-27-2021 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 15646111)
Dyami maybe a great wr but he’s too much like hardman. Mostly a deep threat with skinny legs.

I can’t understand how so many compare Rondale to hardman when dyami is clearly much more like hardman. It’s like people just see his height and say rondale and hardman are the same.

Neither of them are at all like Hardman.

KChiefs1 04-27-2021 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 15646430)
Man I love ya but posted this in another thread for #58 and #63

#58

Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford
or
Elijah Moulden, S, Washington

------------------------------------------------------
#63

Jabril Cox, LB, LSU
or
Peyton Turner, DE, Houston

Whichever way the Chiefs decide is fine with me. They already checked the boxes on the offensive line so time to turn to the D and let Spags decide what he wants to reinforce the defense. Everybody wins!

I believe you have the correct guys at those positions & in the right area in the draft.


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