2021 offense vs 2018
 

Can this offense be "better" than 2018? Statistically or otherwise?

We've never seen Mahomes with a legitimately good interior OL. In isolation, it opens up so many more possibilities in terms of what he's able to do by just staying in the pocket. Beyond that, the threat of a real run game will make our offense so much more balanced, especially in the red zone when we need to show every gimmick play we have just to get a yard on 4th and 1.

I think CEH can be every bit as dynamic as Hunt was.

I think our offense will be better, but not necessarily on paper. Our D is better, we don't need to score 40 and we can probably run the ball effectively late with a lead, all leading to less yard and points, but a better all around offense.

Agreed. I think Edwards-Helaire has potential to be better. He just didn't have a chance to show it behind the worst run-blocking in the NFL.

It's amazing that they were able to score 30/game last year with such an imbalanced offense and a decimated line.

No. The no holds barred scoring in 2018 was far more entertaining than the more ball control focused offenses we've seen the last couple years and what we'll see this year. So for me, the 2018 will be tops.

Probably this. We should be much more efficient at putting teams away too ...which would be be nice for a change.
I’m that hoping since Mahomes will be protected much better and we should be able to run the ball to end games I won’t nearly have a heart attack every Sunday.


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Not unless Andy decides he doesnt mind winning buy 4 scores per game. This defense, while lacking outside pass rush, cant possibly be that bad. 2018 was insane because of necessity, we wont have to hang a 40 burger weekly to win. Mahomes was insanely good at putting teams away with his arm last year, this year theyll be even better with some run game.

Better Oline, year two for CEH, means longer more sustained drives, which means more time off the clock.

Mahomes will continue to have MVP seasons, but he won't have to put up insane stats to get the job done. He will still have plenty of yards and TDs, but he's going to get there with 300 yards and a few TDs a game.

That's a complex question to answer. The 2018 season was like watching a 17 year old kid play Madden on rookie level for offense, then boost up to All Madden level while trying to play defense.

You'll probably never see another statistical season like that again, simply because we're a much more balanced team now. Plus, Andy and Mahomes have evolved a ton since then. I think at the time, Andy was so thrilled to have found Pat that he just let him go out there and gun the ball all over the place. He was as much of a fan as the rest of us at that point, enamored with Mahomes' playmaking ability.

With CEH going into year two and with a much improved offensive line, we definitely have the potential to be 'better' without being quite as exciting or statistically impressive. The Chiefs offense is just a well oiled machine now. It's all become routine. They don't even look like they're trying half the time.

So it really depends on what your perspective is on being better. They're more controlled, patient and surgical now. There's a lot more strategy involved. In that regard, yes I expect they will be better than ever.

I dunno why, but I just have this feeling that they're gonna just unload on people this year. Like "**** you, I've got something to prove".

Maybe I'm way off there, but with this new OL I just have the feeling they're gonna just go super 2018 flex.

This.

The 2018 offense was forced to score at a drastic rate because the D was so bad. The 2020 version of the Chiefs was more of a ball control offense that could explode when forced to, otherwise they attempted to slow the game down a little and play more team ball.

Unless the defense takes a big step back, i expect the Chiefs again try to shorten games, especially if they get a good lead.

I just think the offensive line, if things go as planned, will be so good that it just won't let them not be great.

I think this offense could rival that 2012ish Bronco offense where Manning was just locked in.

I don’t think so bc our defense will be good. The 2018 defense made Mahomes score every possession in over half of the games

2018 was also Patrick’s first year so defenses had no idea what to expect which is why he went off the first month of the season

I think more of the "dink and dunk" slowed down offense the past couple years has been because of the OL and how defenses are playing them than by choice.

They've definitely made an effort to be more efficient, which is great. But I think they were kind of forced to do that when the OL went to shambles and defenses just drop so many and could get after it with 4.

Thats no longer the case. I think we see them just blast teams.

I could definitely see them starting the season with a chip on their shoulders after the SuperBowl. I wouldn't really want to be Cleveland walking into that!

It’s gonna be so fun for Patrick this year. He’s literally gonna go up the line pre-snap and all he has to do is look at the LB’s.

Are they in base? Okay Kelce, Tyreek or Hardman/Gray will be 1v1.

Are they in nickel or dime defense on 1st/2nd down or 3rd and <5? Okay we’re pounding the rock.

I foresee a ton of 11 and 12 personnel which is going to force the defenses to be really frustrated bc we could have success running or passing

Seriously WTF do you do if you are a defense looking at this formation with the Chiefs weapons, QB and new OL? You are literally ****ed

https://media.pff.com/2021/02/zone.png

Could it POTENTIALLY be better than 2018? Yes.

But it won't be. And the reasoning is simple. It doesn't have to be.

The 2018 _efense was so bad that Patrick had to do what he did to win games. You didn't see that much in 2019 or 2020 (outside of a few isolated games here and there), because those defenses could actually gets stops and get teams off the field. Not always consistently, but enough to where your offense didn't feel they needed to score everytime they had the ball.

So, no, the 2021 offense will not be as good as the 2018 offense, because they won't ever need to be.

It will be hard to replicate defenses being caught completely off-guard for what Mahomes is capable of.

We might be more efficient though

If CEH proves he can be on par with 2018 Kareem Hunt and Mecole Hardman can be on par with 2018 Sammy Watkins then the 2021 offense will be superior to 2018.

Yep. They were forced to abandon the bombs away approach due to shitty protection and the fact that no one had to respect the run game. Their efficiency and Andy’s creativity hid how bad the line was for most of the season.

I think we’ll see the best of both worlds. A more efficient version of bombs away.

We're lacking the tertiary weapon that the 2018 Chiefs had in both Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins.

CEH needs to take a big step this season -- he simply didn't grasp the passing elements of the playbook, and even if he does it's not obvious he'll ever be Kareem Hunt.

That being said, I'm actually pretty bullish on Hardman. I don't think he reaches Sammy heights, but I think he'll become a legit #2 this season.

2021 O Line>>>2018 O Line

Watkins>Hardman

Hunt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CEH

It'll be close but I'd lean 2018 simply because Kareem was so much better than CEH.

It’s debatable that the 2021 OL was better than the 2018.

Brown and Fisher are both Pro Bowl LTs
Thuney blows all 2018 guards out
Creed Humphrey is probably good but Morse was definitely good
RG is a question in 2021, LDT was pretty good in 2018
RT is a question in 2021, Schwartz was the best in the league

Kareem Hunt has a tiny dick

I think they'll be much more efficient.

May be a lot fewer highlight reel plays, because they won't be as necessary.

Why aren't they necessary?

Explosive plays are always "necessary" because they're explosive plays. Why make it harder on yourself to have to go on drives with more plays? Chunk plays are always gonna be the choice.

FREE KAREEM HUNT!

ROFL

Dumb.

Not many are talking about Mahomes' improvement as a factor, but he's definitely honed his skills and improved his accuracy since 2018. He just didn't have the line to be able to show off consistently last year.

I said highlight reel plays.

like off-schedule, off-platform Mahomes throwing the ball while horizontal 50 yards kind of plays.

I expect they'll be much more efficient and less reliant on Mahomes to just do magical shit as their gameplan.

I'm not saying they're going to leash anyone, I'm saying they should be able to run the plays as they're designed more efficiently.

This would be our best O line since Andy took over. That, and our WR's all having three years in the system, added to CEH being in year two should be quite a prolific offense.

Just a shame that Charles and Mahomes couldn't be together in their primes...

This line is better. Our guard situation in 2018 was awful. LDTwas hurt early in the year and Wylie played in his spot.

Cam Erving had the other guard spot and when he went down they brought in Jeff Allen.

Brown>Fisher

Thuney>Erving/Allen

Humphrey=Morse...I think Humphrey ends up being a great center though, better than Morse

LDT>Wylie

Schwartz>Niang.

Agreed. I think RT is the only spot at which they aren’t better, and I think they’ll be okay there.

It depends on CEH health. If he is healthy I see us being borderline unstoppable

Running Back

I may be higher on Humphrey that most anyone but I don't know if rookie Humphrey is going to match peak Mitch Morse.

Make no difference at all.

Offense will be better and score fewer points.