The ONLY Thing To Know To Survive An Active Shooter
 

Just got these in my email and thought they were interesting and informative. Tim Larkin is a self defense guy I have been learning from (Target Focus Training) for years. His guest is an expert on this and he only uses facts. Perhaps this could save some lives. Share with everyone you know.

Pt. 1
https://youtu.be/FDDK0jLsdKQ

Pt. 2
https://youtu.be/nRt2bjdCEO4

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Hopefully a mod can shoot up your stupid thread.

can we get a cliff notes answer?

Serpentine running.

The primary thing, I assume, is to get extremely lucky and not have the shooter anywhere in your immediate vicinity?

Return fire. The end.

I wonder if this guy has any advice about dealing with tsetse flies the size of eagles.

I honestly think I'm just going to play dead. How often has shooter shot people laying on the ground?

I feel like I can hold my breath pretty well.

This is the right answer. I don't fault people for wanting to think about this kind of stuff, but the reality is that dying from an active shooter is an incredibly unlikely way for people to die.

I'd have to look up stats to be sure, but I'd be pretty confident you'd be more likely to die from an accidental gun discharge than from an active shooter.

If the shooter is a grizzly bear you're golden.

Nah

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You can't deal with the Flamenco Dancers of Death because they're protected by the Guacamole Act of 1919.

Great reference.

People being afraid of sharks is another. You are more likely to die from a vending machine than a shark.

Maybe. But if you accidentally push the shark button on the vending machine, you’ll wish you were only dealing with an active shooter.

Funny thing is that he talks about that. Often times the shooter will shoot again to make sure you're dead.

Nobody forced you to be here, dumb ass.

The major thing they talk about is acting quickly. It also deals with the authorities and their plans to deal with active shooters. We have had training on active shooter scenarios at work. I assume many people have these days. But the problem is that often times the people in charge don't really have a good plan to deal with these things.

Problem is that the answer is pretty clearly that nothing else really works but having armed security in high risk areas to immediately engage the shooter. That has a pretty high cost that is extremely unlikely to ever be needed. There's a value for having peace of mind, though.

More likely to die from shit falling out of the sky on your head than from an active shooter.

"All this machine does is eat change, vend, and crush drunk frat guys trying to get free Zagnut bars."

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"You're gonna need a less wrinkly dollar."

Following up on my own post, this source says there were 458 accidental gun deaths in the U.S. in 2018. In 2017 (the year of the Las Vegas shooting), there were 117 fatalities from mass shootings in the U.S. according to this source.

So, yeah. You're at least 4x as likely to die from an accident than from a mass shooter.

Maybe Lee Harvey Oswald was just a real butterfingers?

Not really. If I don't own any guns, and don't ever go hunting or do any of the things that would put me at risk of an accidental gun death, I'd say that number goes way down, probably even lower than the chance of being part of a mass shooting.

The ONLY thing to know? Why not more than one thing? Seems like a complex and spontaneous issue that might require knowing more than one thing.

If you fire upon yourself accidently you should definitely return fire on yourself to keep us all on the safe side.

Bill would just try to suck the guy off

Probably a smart plan. Nobody turns down a good blowjob.

Or a bad one

Make yourself as small of a target as possible, keep hard objects between you and the shooter, get your ass to the closest/safest exit.


That’s about as simple as it can be put.

I run a few miles a day, so I feel like I’ve been preparing for this crap my whole life. I just hope when it happens I’m not wearing flip flops.

Most shit people are afraid of is unlikely to ever occur. Tens of millions of people are terrified of flying and almost anything you can think of has a higher percentage shot of happening than anyone being in a plane crash/incident, let alone dying from one.

The odds of dying in a school shooting are less than the odds of winning a Powerball jackpot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...?noredirect=on

Assuming a person is unarmed, it seems like grabbing a fire extinguisher and waiting around a corner would be a good plan (assuming you have quick access to one and a corner you can hide behind). Spray somebody in the face with an extinguisher, and they're not going to be doing anything but getting sprayed in the face. His vision is immediately reduced to zero. Also, it would be instinctive/reflexive for the shooter to cover his face, taking the gun out of the immediate equation.

Then bash the ****er over the head with the extinguisher. Until you've made brain soup.

Challenge the active shooter to a dance-off.

That all sound well and good, but I'd rather not bring a fire extinguisher to a gun fight myself.

That goes without saying.

There were 37000+ firearm mortalities per the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/firearm.htm

Eh, kinda. Context matters a lot.

If you have a ton of guns around - especially if you don't use them a ton - you're going to have a far higher than 4x chance of accidental shooting death than a person with 0 exposure to guns.

If you're never around guns you're going to have to be around an accidental discharge or a crime and be a bystandard.

So it's hard to buy that absolutely you're 4x more likely to get blasted by accident than active shooter and apply that to a population.

This thread is destined to end up in DC; there are people nearly stroking out wanting to bring up gun control and whatnot.

Okay Starlord

I have a habit of knowing where the exits are now.

Yeah, listen to this guy folks, he's an expert of it. Hell, he took out his refrigerator for god sakes.

Well, to be fair, that refrigerator was a real ****

How the hell is this thread not in DC yet?

It's not even close to that.

I hate you ****ers. LMAO

Just reason with the shooter long enough for the social workers to show up.

You guys are complicating my oversimplification. :harumph:

But yes, you're right. Point still stands that I'm not going to spend much energy thinking about it. I'll just crawl into the fetal position and hope for the best. ROFL

LMAOLMAOLMAO

This, exactly.

It’s why I don’t have guns in my house and never will. Why I don’t carry and never will.

The odds of someone invading my home or me being involved in an active shooter event are infinitesimally small. Much smaller than the risk of an accident with a gun if it’s in the house (and with two young kids, that’s the most important thing).

There’s 0.0 percent chance my kids have an accident with a gun in my home if there are none in my home.

Re: active shooter drills, my favorite was the emphasis a previous employer started placing on it right after they moved us into an open office setting.

The instructor met with us in the basement of the building and hadn’t seen our office layout. During his lecture, he mentioned that open office plans were horrible ideas for a lot of reasons, including that they made it much easier for active shooters to rack up higher numbers.

Watching our CAO’s face (she was the one who insisted on the open office plan) during that was priceless.

Spent a lot of time with this stuff at work. Active shooters are a pretty big deal for us especially in schools. I respect people's right to carry and understand the urge for a good guy with a gun to act upon a bad guy with a gun but when cops swarm the area there is no magic sign that says you are a good guy. You are just a guy with a brandished firearm and will be treated as the active shooter until it can be confirmed it is not you. The chaos and confusion that comes with active shooter events makes it very dangerous for an armed person.

No problem with people being armed and understand if you are in that situation being armed to defend yourself but you should have it in your head how poorly that decision can go for you. A lot of times people that try to be John Wayne's make situations police respond to much worse...not only active shooters. Just my experience in communications at a police department.

I have to tell myself this for about an hour before every flight I go on. I think a lot of it is about giving up 100% control of your life to someone else and there being no survival rate if that person decides he just wants to kill everyone that day.

Police killing of Arvada “Samaritan” highlights difficulty in discerning “who’s a good guy and who’s a bad guy”

Three men died Monday in Olde Town Arvada, including police officer and man hailed as hero

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/06/2...-self-defense/

You might be surprised when that fight or flight kicks in. I hid the time I experienced it

Don't get shot.

I'm really surprised casinos don't get shot up more. Seems like such easy targets. Something I've always thought about. When I'm sitting in the poker room, I'm kind of a sitting duck.

Bill I feel like it’s story time for this comment

Prolly just a Friday night in Westport

People always talk about guns for protection but Im sure wearing a Kevlar vest wherever you go would certainly be safer.

I've shared this before. It was an early Sunday evening in Westport I was working an event outdoors it was packed maybe 300 people? Shit was winding down all off a sudden I hear a loud pop. I knew what it was immediately at that point adrenaline kicked in I didnt think just reacted on instinct there was a bathroom not even 50 ft away I just hid in there. Everyone was screaming and shit it was pretty chaotic. Of course nobody knew wtf was going on at the time but what happened in some piece of shit saw some guys who beat the **** out of him a few years prior, so this moron pulls out a gun shoots in their general direction the bullet ends up striking an innocent person in the throat he died almost instantly, the bullet traveled through him and hit someone else too thankfully they survived. This all happened within a few hundred feet of me but there was so many people I had no idea what the **** was going on.

It took a few months for them to find and arrest the guy. He only got 18 years too. The family ended up suing and hired a private investigator whom was a total dick to talk to and it sucks the whole staff had to relive that moment going through all of that but I understand. Something I'll never forget and just how much we really take life for granted.

In Florida where I live the only mass shooting I can remember was the Parkland School shooting in 2018 where 17 were killed. School shooters know that the one place that you can't carry a concealed weapon is on school property, only the school police can have a weapon.

Otherwise in a state with a population of about 20 million, there is about 2 million concealed licenses in the state, and about 17,000 more each month. I've had one for almost ten years and carry my pistol everywhere I go. So, going by those figures if there were about 500 people in a crowd not in a school, about 50 of those people would have a concealed weapon. I believe this one of the reasons we don't see mass shooters fooling around in Florida.

In the retirement community I live, there is a population of 140,000 of which about 20,000 are military veterans and we also have a large number of retired police officers, so our concealed weapon percentages are probably even higher. The only time I really worry is when I go to one of the squares to listen to music with about 1,000 other people, but considering the makeup of the community and the figures I stated, I feel pretty safe that no one is going to really try anything.

The biggest crowd we had was in 2019 when actor Gary Sinise brought his Lt. Dan Band to one of our squares, Lake Sumter Landing, about 10,000 were there that night, just think the average age was 65.

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You mean in your area of Florida where you live? Or are we forgetting about one of the most lethal mass shootings in US history the pulse night club shooting.

Oh noes, you owned him!

|Pussy| was probably there that night.

Yeah but the shark scenerio is a lot more hilarious.

Agreed. I realize that title is more click bait than anything. However, I do trust and respect Tim Larkin. And the guy he has talking about this is apparently well respected, too.

I'm sure there's some truth to this but it is more about the time it takes police to arrive. Or in the case of Parkville, they were cowardly and did not go into the school for over 10 minutes, well after the shooter had done all his killing and left. Every time, it's a good guy with a gun that stops a bad guy with a gun, whether that's a security guard, police, or an armed citizen.

Active shooter is just another good reason to carry an UZI.

Ummm, Orlando?

Since Pulse was a club that served alcohol, it falls into the same category as the Parkland School, concealed weapons are not allowed in establishments that serve more alcohol than food.

To that I say, so what? Unless I'm going someplace where they have metal detectors, wand or otherwise actively search for weapons, I carry. Period. Gun free zones are the dumbest goddamn thing in the history of dumb things.

The title may be a bit on the click baitish side but, not by much. Yes, every situation is going to be different in some regards. What the title is referring to however, is not the minute details of a gun fight but, rather, the over all proven effectiveness of forcefully engaging the threat as quickly as possible. That is what they are selling, the over all strategy, not the tactics.

Thank you, Jamie. You said it much more eloquently than I could.

I agree, gun free zones are stupid if you've passed a background check and can carry anywhere most of time, what difference would that make? Since it was a nightclub, they probably did run a metal detector past you. Plus, the shooter at Pulse chose his target because it was a gay club, with most gays as liberals they wouldn't of probably sought out a concealed permit anyway. Other than one or two off-duty cops working security, they were the only roadblock and his weapon was superior to theirs. Could of just as well happen in New York of California.

Our job is done here, Dane. ROFL