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ROYC75 08-09-2021 12:04 AM

Dog / Cat question: If you knew...
 
And saw your dog kill the neighbor's cat in your yard, would you tell them?

Yes?

No?

FlaChief58 08-09-2021 03:18 AM

It comes down to a liability issue. If the cat was on your property then sure, let the neighbor know. It's their responsibility to keep their pet secure so they would have no legal recourse. If your dog got out and killed it, then probably not. They could sue you for their loss which in most cases would be the value of the cat. Tree fiddy ought to just about cover it.

Frazod 08-09-2021 04:06 AM

Initial thought is yes, but in this day and age I'd say it depends on the neighbor. The logical way to look at it is your dog did a dog thing, the cat was on your property, and shit happens. Also, cats that live exclusively indoors have three times the life expectancy of cats that spend time outdoors, because there are all kinds of things outside that can kill a cat. Not my job to judge your neighbors, but they rolled the dice by letting Frisky roam outside and came up snake eyes.

But we do not live in logical times, and if you suspect your neighbors will go berserk over it, I'd keep my mouth shut.

Sassy Squatch 08-09-2021 04:30 AM

What cat?

Cntrygal 08-09-2021 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15775646)
Initial thought is yes, but in this day and age I'd say it depends on the neighbor. The logical way to look at it is your dog did a dog thing, the cat was on your property, and shit happens. Also, cats that live exclusively indoors have three times the life expectancy of cats that spend time outdoors, because there are all kinds of things outside that can kill a cat. Not my job to judge your neighbors, but they rolled the dice by letting Frisky roam outside and came up snake eyes.

But we do not live in logical times, and if you suspect your neighbors will go berserk over it, I'd keep my mouth shut.

I never thought I'd agree with something like this. But, my neighbors from hell and seeing how society has changed as a whole would encourage me to keep my mouth shut.

notorious 08-09-2021 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15775649)
What cat?

This.

Buehler445 08-09-2021 06:47 AM

Depends on the neighbor.

BWillie 08-09-2021 06:47 AM

Why is your dog a psycho?

ptlyon 08-09-2021 06:49 AM

So, what did you do with the cat?

Why Not? 08-09-2021 06:50 AM

Yes. And I would expect the same response I would give, “shit! That sucks. Hey, thanks for telling me. Is their anything left to bury?”

Frazod said it. I know the risks involved with letting my cats be indoor/outdoor. Well, mostly one cat. The other one will go sit on the patio furniture once in awhile but is never out long. The other loves to hunt, be outside, meet neighbors, etc. He would be miserable if we didn’t let him go outside. As he gets older and slower, the likelihood of him getting caught by a dog, a coyote, or a car increase. If that is his end one day, so be it. Would rather that be the outcome over him withering away and suffering from depression because he had to sit indoors all day.

ThaVirus 08-09-2021 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 15775684)
I know the risks involved with letting my cats be indoor/outdoor. Well, mostly one cat. The other one will go sit on the patio furniture once in awhile but is never out long. The other loves to hunt, be outside, meet neighbors, etc. He would be miserable if we didn’t let him go outside.

You really shouldn't let your cat outside. Most wildlife in America isn't equipped to deal with cats as predators.

At least put bells on its collar or something to give wildlife a fighting chance.

Why Not? 08-09-2021 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15775686)
You really shouldn't let your cat outside. Most wildlife in America isn't equipped to deal with cats as predators.

At least put bells on its collar or something to give wildlife a fighting chance.

Lol. But he does have a bell on his collar. Mice, chipmunks and squirrels in my neighborhood must be deaf as shit.

Dayze 08-09-2021 07:17 AM

reminds me of our cat growing up. huge cat. Was a total outdoor cat. Once he didn't come home for like a week, then we hear him meowing in the basement window well; cat got hit by a car. So he ended up getting a new hip and pins in his legs.

This cat would leave for days at a time; constantly had gummed up fur on his back from laying under cars in the driveway / getting oil on his fur. Once i was about 3 miles away on my bicycle, and I saw him; he looked right at me and slinkered down into a storm drain.

My brother was riding his bike home one evening, and came rushing inside to get a big duffle bag. He came back with the cat, and said he was fighting 3 other cats at the apartment complex down the street.

We once witnessed him fighting a possum in the yard. A while later, a deer had stumbled into our yard after getting hit by a car and died, and my dad made the joke that "I"ll be damned...Snoopy bagged a deer".

When he got hit by the car, my car lost one of his teeth; and so when he would yawn and close his mouth, the upper tooth that was missing would make the bottom tooth push up his upper lip by his nose....so he always had sort of a street tuff snarl / Elvis thing going on LMAO.

That cat was a tough MF. Dude only came inside to sleep after he was out for a 3 or 4 day bender; and the only one who could pet him was my brother. he'd just growl at everyone else. He'd kill birds, mice, moles, rabbits...That bastard lived for like 18 years.

big nasty kcnut 08-09-2021 07:28 AM

Nope.

oldman 08-09-2021 07:39 AM

We've lost a few cats that snuck out over the years and that's just what happens. Our hillbilly neighbor about lost his mind about his chickens, though. He was raising them in his garage and letting them roam during the day. After he lost about a half a dozen, he called the sheriff blaming my dogs. Well, we have a Pet DeFence, so I showed the deputy and she said if Foghorn Leghorn was in my yard, he was fair game. Sure enough one ventured over and our lab got him. Called the neighbor and told them to come get the damn thing out of my yard. He sent his cousin wife over to get it. They may have had chicken soup that night, but I can't say for sure. They built a coop later, but the coyotes figured out how to get in, so no more damn chickens.

BTW, the deputy bought one for her dogs a week later.

https://petdefence.com/

kysirsoze 08-09-2021 07:41 AM

Unless I knew them to be unreasonable assholes I would tell them. No liability and I'd rather do the right thing and have them be dicks.

ChiefBlueCFC 08-09-2021 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 15775641)
It comes down to a liability issue. If the cat was on your property then sure, let the neighbor know. It's their responsibility to keep their pet secure so they would have no legal recourse. If your dog got out and killed it, then probably not. They could sue you for their loss which in most cases would be the value of the cat. Tree fiddy ought to just about cover it.

"It was at that time I realized that this girl scout was 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the protozoic era"

Don't go offerin no loch ness monstah no tree fiddy

Frazod 08-09-2021 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 15775702)
reminds me of our cat growing up. huge cat. Was a total outdoor cat. Once he didn't come home for like a week, then we hear him meowing in the basement window well; cat got hit by a car. So he ended up getting a new hip and pins in his legs.

This cat would leave for days at a time; constantly had gummed up fur on his back from laying under cars in the driveway / getting oil on his fur. Once i was about 3 miles away on my bicycle, and I saw him; he looked right at me and slinkered down into a storm drain.

My brother was riding his bike home one evening, and came rushing inside to get a big duffle bag. He came back with the cat, and said he was fighting 3 other cats at the apartment complex down the street.

We once witnessed him fighting a possum in the yard. A while later, a deer had stumbled into our yard after getting hit by a car and died, and my dad made the joke that "I"ll be damned...Snoopy bagged a deer".

When he got hit by the car, my car lost one of his teeth; and so when he would yawn and close his mouth, the upper tooth that was missing would make the bottom tooth push up his upper lip by his nose....so he always had sort of a street tuff snarl / Elvis thing going on LMAO.

That cat was a tough MF. Dude only came inside to sleep after he was out for a 3 or 4 day bender; and the only one who could pet him was my brother. he'd just growl at everyone else. He'd kill birds, mice, moles, rabbits...That bastard lived for like 18 years.

My best friend had a cat like that. I don't think it ever spent a day of its life inside the house and lived to be 22 or 23.

Frazod 08-09-2021 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cntrygal (Post 15775674)
I never thought I'd agree with something like this. But, my neighbors from hell and seeing how society has changed as a whole would encourage me to keep my mouth shut.

Plus, Roy's an old man with health issues. Crazy/angry neighbors are bad enough to deal with when you're young.

notorious 08-09-2021 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 15775702)
reminds me of our cat growing up. huge cat. Was a total outdoor cat. Once he didn't come home for like a week, then we hear him meowing in the basement window well; cat got hit by a car. So he ended up getting a new hip and pins in his legs.

This cat would leave for days at a time; constantly had gummed up fur on his back from laying under cars in the driveway / getting oil on his fur. Once i was about 3 miles away on my bicycle, and I saw him; he looked right at me and slinkered down into a storm drain.

My brother was riding his bike home one evening, and came rushing inside to get a big duffle bag. He came back with the cat, and said he was fighting 3 other cats at the apartment complex down the street.

We once witnessed him fighting a possum in the yard. A while later, a deer had stumbled into our yard after getting hit by a car and died, and my dad made the joke that "I"ll be damned...Snoopy bagged a deer".

When he got hit by the car, my car lost one of his teeth; and so when he would yawn and close his mouth, the upper tooth that was missing would make the bottom tooth push up his upper lip by his nose....so he always had sort of a street tuff snarl / Elvis thing going on LMAO.

That cat was a tough MF. Dude only came inside to sleep after he was out for a 3 or 4 day bender; and the only one who could pet him was my brother. he'd just growl at everyone else. He'd kill birds, mice, moles, rabbits...That bastard lived for like 18 years.

Then you have the other side of the coin: The Farm Cat.

Out of the average litter of 6, we end up with 2 that will survive the first year if it's a tough batch.

They love getting into cars, my son caught one in his Razr 170 (I told him I ran over it to make him feel better), owls, hawks, coyotes, etc.

At one point we needed new blood, so we would take the strays from our nearby town and release them.

Out of 9, ONE survived the first week, and she's been pumping out kittens like a factory for the past year.

My employee came up with a great name for the farm. She called it "Meowschwitz"

saphojunkie 08-09-2021 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 15775605)
And saw your dog kill the neighbor's cat in your yard, would you tell them?

Yes?

No?

He's a dog, and I'm not a rat.

ThaVirus 08-09-2021 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 15775696)
Lol. But he does have a bell on his collar. Mice, chipmunks and squirrels in my neighborhood must be deaf as shit.

Ah, OK. Well in that case carry on. I just assumed it did not because the vast majority of people let their cats out with no bell.

stumppy 08-09-2021 09:42 AM

This happened when I was kid. My dog got loose and chased killed the neighbors cat out by the street. My mom and the neighbor both seen what happened and went out to check on the cat. My mom fel bad about it and offered the guy $50 for what my dog did. The guy went off! started yelling about it being a pure bread and was worth at least $300.
Anyways, they started arguing and yelling at each other about what the cat was worth. Somebody called the police and they soon showed up. After the cop figured out what was going on the SOB wrote both of them a ticket.....................for arguing the price of pussy on a public street.:D

ROYC75 08-09-2021 11:07 AM

This guy's 2 cats are always lurking around the outside of both of our property lines, as well as mine. Always watching our dogs as they bark since our dogs have a perimeter fence that keeps them within our boundary.

Last night I let the dogs out, our full pit that is the Alpha Male always runs out to check the property , as to secure it. He has always showed he is the protector and barks and raises hell with people. This neighbor has took to given him dog treats now and is building a little trust with him. But he has raised hell, rightfully so, at times about him.

Anyways, his cat was perched upon our wood pile in the back yard as I shined my big spotlight on him. I'm thinking it won't stay there long and will leave scared. Well, before I could walk farther down the driveway, I looked and he had this cat in his mouth shaking the shit out of him.

By the time I got there, it was dead. The neighbor is a reasonable guy, but he has commented in the past about this same dog. So I'm kinda iffy as to telling him or not!

wazu 08-09-2021 11:14 AM

Pit bulls are such loving, misunderstood creatures.

ROYC75 08-09-2021 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 15775722)
We've lost a few cats that snuck out over the years and that's just what happens. Our hillbilly neighbor about lost his mind about his chickens, though. He was raising them in his garage and letting them roam during the day. After he lost about a half a dozen, he called the sheriff blaming my dogs. Well, we have a Pet DeFence, so I showed the deputy and she said if Foghorn Leghorn was in my yard, he was fair game. Sure enough one ventured over and our lab got him. Called the neighbor and told them to come get the damn thing out of my yard. He sent his cousin wife over to get it. They may have had chicken soup that night, but I can't say for sure. They built a coop later, but the coyotes figured out how to get in, so no more damn chickens.

BTW, the deputy bought one for her dogs a week later.

https://petdefence.com/

Boy, I say Boy, what in the hell is a going on here, calling me out like this!

Buehler445 08-09-2021 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15775845)
Then you have the other side of the coin: The Farm Cat.

Out of the average litter of 6, we end up with 2 that will survive the first year if it's a tough batch.

They love getting into cars, my son caught one in his Razr 170 (I told him I ran over it to make him feel better), owls, hawks, coyotes, etc.

At one point we needed new blood, so we would take the strays from our nearby town and release them.

Out of 9, ONE survived the first week, and she's been pumping out kittens like a factory for the past year.

My employee came up with a great name for the farm. She called it "Meowschwitz"

Dude.

We have one that won’t ****ing die. The sister****ing Siamese jackass can’t be bothered to use the litterbox so he shits on the floor.

So we kinda don’t care if it goes away. But it gets along with the good cat, and he doesn’t get all wonky because he’s lonely. But seriously this thing won’t die.

There are a ****load of coyotes around and my **** sister can’t keep cats to save her **** ass, but this thing won’t die. It roams all over **** and the coyotes leave it alone. And it’s not like it’s a clever cat running tactically sound maneuvers. Nope. It’s all open fields around the farm no trees to even run up. And he’s mostly oblivious. I’ll run across him down the road and he is surprised as shit when he sees me. And it’s not like I’m fast or quiet. Literally I’ve seen him jacking around in a field on the way to work, then, closer to the shop I run across a coyote, and he never seems to get ate. I’m convinced he tastes like shit.

My nephew got pissed off at him and threw him out of his pickup. He was gone for awhile and rolled back in all gimpy and hungry. Thought for sure his leg was broke and he was probably septic or would be soon. NOPE. Must have been dislocated or something. ****ers fine now. Shitting all over the floor.

The ****.

You want him?

Buehler445 08-09-2021 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15776216)
Pit bulls are such loving, misunderstood creatures.

Pitts are far from the only dogs that will shred a cat. Virtually every hunting dog and most working dogs will crush a cat population.

ThaVirus 08-09-2021 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15776216)
Pit bulls are such loving, misunderstood creatures.

I think it's more of an owner thing. Most of the pits I have experience with are pretty sweet. Sounds like ROYC is doing nothing to train out that sort of behavior and actually encourages the aggression.

notorious 08-09-2021 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15776372)
Dude.

We have one that won’t ****ing die. The sister****ing Siamese jackass can’t be bothered to use the litterbox so he shits on the floor.

So we kinda don’t care if it goes away. But it gets along with the good cat, and he doesn’t get all wonky because he’s lonely. But seriously this thing won’t die.

There are a ****load of coyotes around and my **** sister can’t keep cats to save her **** ass, but this thing won’t die. It roams all over **** and the coyotes leave it alone. And it’s not like it’s a clever cat running tactically sound maneuvers. Nope. It’s all open fields around the farm no trees to even run up. And he’s mostly oblivious. I’ll run across him down the road and he is surprised as shit when he sees me. And it’s not like I’m fast or quiet. Literally I’ve seen him jacking around in a field on the way to work, then, closer to the shop I run across a coyote, and he never seems to get ate. I’m convinced he tastes like shit.

My nephew got pissed off at him and threw him out of his pickup. He was gone for awhile and rolled back in all gimpy and hungry. Thought for sure his leg was broke and he was probably septic or would be soon. NOPE. Must have been dislocated or something. ****ers fine now. Shitting all over the floor.

The ****.

You want him?


Mother ****er won't be coming inside so I don't give a shit. Bring the crafty veteran down. Maybe he can teach the young dumbasses how to not die horrifically. (Imagine 9 year old boy finding chopped up dead kitten from his Razr.)



Does he still have his balls? We need new blood.

Otter 08-09-2021 12:37 PM

Kill the dog, tie the the corpses tails together and throw them over a power line in between the two owners houses.

Must I always be the voice of reason?

morphius 08-09-2021 12:41 PM

We have a cat that we adopted, it was a neighborhood cat. We don't let her out much anymore, but she does still go out and keep are yard clean. If she didn't come home, we would understand, it is a risk.

That all being said, I think it would be nice if you knew it was dead, but maybe leave out details, say coyote it something. I'd be worried they might take some revenge on your dog if they knew for sure.

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Sassy Squatch 08-09-2021 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15776372)
My nephew got pissed off at him and threw him out of his pickup. He was gone for awhile and rolled back in all gimpy and hungry. Thought for sure his leg was broke and he was probably septic or would be soon. NOPE. Must have been dislocated or something. ****ers fine now. Shitting all over the floor.

The ****?

Marcellus 08-09-2021 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15775681)
Depends on the neighbor.

Bingo.

lcarus 08-09-2021 12:54 PM

Is your dog a pit? My buddy has a couple pits and they're great dogs. But one time their next door neighbors little rat dog got loose and came into their yard and one of his pits killed it.

ToxSocks 08-09-2021 12:56 PM

I wish my dogs would kill some goddamn cats. Might help with all these damn strays that wander around the 'hood.

lcarus 08-09-2021 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15776455)
I wish my dogs would kill some goddamn cats. Might help with all these damn strays that wander around the 'hood.

My old cat used to kill shit and leave the heads on the doorstep as a present. Every day I got home from work, I'd see a head laying there. I remember when the Royals beat the Cardinals one year, we walked outside that night and there was a cardinals head sitting on the porch. I usually didn't like the dead shit in my yard but that one we laughed pretty hard.

Tribal Warfare 08-09-2021 01:04 PM

I wouldn't volunteer that information

notorious 08-09-2021 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 15776410)
Kill the dog, tie the the corpses tails together and throw them over a power line in between the two owners houses.

Must I always be the voice of reason?

Old tale I heard from old man stories is similar to this, only much more haunting.

A ****ed up guy in town would tie cats tails together and throw them over a clothes line. :eek:

ToxSocks 08-09-2021 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 15776470)
My old cat used to kill shit and leave the heads on the doorstep as a present. Every day I got home from work, I'd see a head laying there. I remember when the Royals beat the Cardinals one year, we walked outside that night and there was a cardinals head sitting on the porch. I usually didn't like the dead shit in my yard but that one we laughed pretty hard.

Lol, that's pretty good.

ROYC75 08-09-2021 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15776377)
I think it's more of an owner thing. Most of the pits I have experience with are pretty sweet. Sounds like ROYC is doing nothing to train out that sort of behavior and actually encourages the aggression.

Wrong, he has came a long ways, certain people can come and go as they please, he does nothing but wags his tail to be petted. The neighbor next door who has complained has fed him treats and now is petting and talking to him.

Now the mail man or Fed, UPS, ... hold on a daggum minute, he wants confront them, very aggressively and thus the reason we have an underground fence and his shock collar on him.

But I discipline him frequently when needed.

Fish 08-09-2021 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 15776536)
Wrong, he has came a long ways, certain people can come and go as they please, he does nothing but wags his tail to be petted. The neighbor next door who has complained has fed him treats and now is petting and talking to him.

Now the mail man or Fed, UPS, ... hold on a daggum minute, he wants confront them, very aggressively and thus the reason we have an underground fence and his shock collar on him.

But I discipline him frequently when needed.

Sounds like an unfortunate accident waiting to happen...

vailpass 08-09-2021 02:18 PM

My dog is a Malinois and he would rip the shit out of a cat that came into the property. Not out of malice but out of rough play. Keep your cat out of my yard. And no, I haven’t seen your cat.

Buehler445 08-09-2021 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15776393)
Mother ****er won't be coming inside so I don't give a shit. Bring the crafty veteran down. Maybe he can teach the young dumbasses how to not die horrifically. (Imagine 9 year old boy finding chopped up dead kitten from his Razr.)



Does he still have his balls? We need new blood.

I don’t think he has balls. Not checking.

If your other cats behaved like him they’d be dead as ****. This ****er for his ass whipped by this cat my **** sister had hanging around. I mean for shredded by this thing. Whatever. Then it got this horrific infection in its bottom jaw, assuredly one of the wounds from when it got its ass beat like a drum. At the time he was my **** sisters cat but she said whatever that infection is going to kill him. We cleaned it a few times with peroxide if we could hold the ****er down with welding gloves. ****er had the infection for over a year and beat it.

Maybe the cat is an alien.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15776431)
The ****?

Yeah. Not his best moment. I’m surprised he didn’t blow a hole in it. But whatever. He was a punk kid then.

Buehler445 08-09-2021 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 15776603)
My dog is a Malinois and he would rip the shit out of a cat that came into the property. Not out of malice but out of rough play. Keep your cat out of my yard. And no, I haven’t seen your cat.

ROFL

My **** sister is always busting my nuts because she can’t keep cats. Nevermind the fact that I’ve run over precisely 0 of her cats and she’s probably got at least 30. But my heeler periodically chases (herds) them. Oh god I got my ass chewed for that.

Anyway, she got a German Shepherd who absolutely gave those cats hell.

Yeah. They chase cats.

vailpass 08-09-2021 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15776617)
ROFL

My **** sister is always busting my nuts because she can’t keep cats. Nevermind the fact that I’ve run over precisely 0 of her cats and she’s probably got at least 30. But my heeler periodically chases (herds) them. Oh god I got my ass chewed for that.

Anyway, she got a German Shepherd who absolutely gave those cats hell.

Yeah. They chase cats.

Hah. Yeah, that’s how it works. Keep your cat away from my dog or you get what you get. Heeler is a good smart dog.

Pablo 08-09-2021 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 15776589)
Sounds like an unfortunate accident waiting to happen...

Yep. Sounds like Mr. P Bull needs to be put down for his own good. I'd recommend letting your neighbor shoot him for you Roy.

Buehler445 08-09-2021 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 15776629)
Hah. Yeah, that’s how it works. Keep your cat away from my dog or you get what you get. Heeler is a good smart dog.

Best dog I’ve ever had. Now he’s too old and slow to give much chase.

Damn good dog. And a pound puppy to boot.

vailpass 08-09-2021 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15776639)
Best dog I’ve ever had. Now he’s too old and slow to give much chase.

Damn good dog. And a pound puppy to boot.

Good boys are the best boys.

Chief Pote 08-09-2021 04:10 PM

I wouldn't own a dog that would kill a cat.

Frazod 08-09-2021 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Pote (Post 15776724)
I wouldn't own a dog that would kill a cat.

It's not like a dog has to be Cujo to kill a cat.

Sassy Squatch 08-09-2021 04:46 PM

Yeah, got a good tempered border collie and I've seen him go at a couple of cats that instigated him with killing intent.

Why Not? 08-09-2021 05:22 PM

Also, you kinda gotta be an older cat on your way out anyway right? My cats are fast as hell and excellent climbers and jumpers and have great hearing, to boot. Can’t imagine they would ever put themselves around a dog they couldn’t get away from. Unless they get to old and their brain tells them to do shit they just can’t physically do anymore, which mimics my sports playing life these days.


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