Harrison Butker is the second-most accurate field goal kicker in NFL history.
 

This is a factual statement.

Damn.

How's he do with extra points?

Great!

What are the extra point accuracy facts? :shrug:

Extra point attempts 199
Extra points made 186
Extra point percentage 93.5

Doesn’t matter to the bitches here.

“XPs matter!!!”

Except that they don’t. If they did, the Chiefs would be shopping for an XP kicker.

But curiously we can’t point to a single game where a Butker missed XP cost the Chiefs a significant game.

42nd most accurate xp kicker in Jackson County.

People just gotta have something to complain about.

Probably 60-70% of NFL fanbases are complaining about their kickers missing FG’s in big spots in big games that cost their team.

Our fanbase is bitching about missed XP’s in the past, which have never cost us a game, and an XP missed in a pre-season game.

Butker HAS won us games kicking clutch FG’s, but has never lost us a game missing an XP.

I feel like ‘Lighten up, Francis’ is really the only thing left to say . . . . .

He missed two kicks in a playoff game. Missed yet another XP last night. Last night is nothing but in the playoffs and in close games we need him to hit that crap. He gets paid for one thing.

So does every other kicker in the NFL. Shit happens. But who, outside of Justin Tucker, would you rather us trade for or sign.

I’ll wait . . . . .

"If you're not first, you're last." - Reese Bobby

Stop pointing out opportunities for improvement

I’m guessing the stats don’t back it up, but I feel more comfortable with Butker making a kick from 52 yards than I do from 32. He seems to be locked in on the big kicks.

Who's #1?

Nick ****ing Lowery?

Nobody. He's as good as any for sure but I don't trust kickers. I hope it doesn't come down to him. I definitely didn't like us giving him a a five year deal. Kickers need the pressure of being gone if they **** up too much.

Pay them two years at a time and that's it.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2019/...arrison-butker

I hate kickers almost as much as I hate QBs not named Mahomes. However, it should be pointed out that Gould missed one, too.

Call me when he ****s up a playoff spot or causes us to lose a post season game because he missed an XP. I'd take him over anyone, because he's clutch as **** and eats pussys like Red Dawg for breakfast.

Reluctantly Janski but even he let us down in double OT.

If the two point conversion rate is 50 percent or higher than go for it almost every time. More points over the course of a season.

Modern kickers should be more accurate than ever. All the stadiums have about perfect turf or indoors now.

It’s not the same as back in the Jan Stenarud days when they kicked in the dirt and mud.

If our OL proves to be elite in run blocking, then I’m all for it.

If our offense has the threat of the run in that situation, I’ll take our offense to pick up a few yards all day.

My history as a Chiefs fan makes me leery, but I generally trust Butker.

That said, in all fairness to Butker, I don’t want games coming down to him either. When we have a QB like Mahomes and the offense that we have, I would much rather they decide the game on their own and not leave it up to Butker. But, obviously, part of that comes down to coaching and play calling. So that part, at least, is out of Butker’s control.

Xp's are important. Big difference between a 3 and 4 point lead late in the 4th. With that said, Butker is awesome. Glad he's a Chief.

(Call your golf doctor. -Mitch Holtus after failed XP)

Happy to have him!

According to NL's Youth Foundation website, "Nick was inducted into the Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame in 2009 as the most accurate kicker in NFL History, the Chiefs All-Time leading Scorer, with the most field goals in NFL History when he retired from the NFL."

So, if Nick was the most accurate kicker in NFL History in 2009, then ol' Janners wouldn't be the most accurate in team history, right?

:rolleyes:
Yes, they are so important that the Chiefs should cut Butker because he missed a handful of XPs last season, none of which directly impacted the outcome of any game. That way KC can go after a PK that statistically is significantly worse than Butker when kicking FGs (because literally that's all that's left out there) because that guy MIGHT kick 3-4 more XPs per season.

Pure genius.

Glad you nitwits don't have a say in how they run the team . . . :clap:

There’s no way that’s true. Nick Lowery was an 80% FG kicker for his career. That means he missed one out of every 5 FG’s he tried for the Chiefs.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...lowernic01.htm

Surely, the Chiefs have had someone over 80% for their career in KC? You would think, anyway. Stoyo, maybe? Although short lived. I guess it did say ‘as of 2009’. Pretty sure Succop, Santos and obviously Butker, have all surpassed that % in their time with the Chiefs.

But no way was he the ‘most accurate kicker in NFL history’ as of 2009. That’s misinformed.

Ol Nick was accurate till you needed one really bad:thumb:

Lol. I am glad we have him. I just don't like kickers in general. They **** up in terrible times. Ask the Vikes back in the day. Ask the Bears from a few years ago. Ask Bill's fans. I don't want games coming down to Butkers leg. He has missed in big games.

Every ****ing time.

I'll never forget the one in Miami. I was...STUNNED.

I would rather have Butker than 99% of the kickers in this league. He has yet to cost us a game. The guy is a baller when it comes to nailing long kicks.

Misses one little xp in a preseason game, and everybody loses their minds

Since when do we wait until someone costs us the game to address a problem? Not saying cut Butker, but this is a clear problem. He's the worst XP kicker in the league and I don't even think it's close. Just because we have Mahomes and games don't usually come down to a extra point because of how good he is doesn't mean Butker being a terrible XP kicker isn't a big problem.

"I've never been pulled over for driving home drunk. So I see no reason why it will ever happen."

uh, wat?

Is there a point you're trying to make here, or are you just drunk/high/dumb?

I don't know what to say. It's a mental thing for him kicking the extra point field goals. Maybe we should go for two every single time?

I'd rather he get it all out of his system in preseason.

Actually, he was the NFL'S 27th ranked XP kicker in 2020.

However, in his 4 years as the Chiefs PK, he's missed just 13 XPs out of possible 199.

That translates to a 93.5% conversion rate, with three seasons over 93%, and just one below.

Even if you project Butker missing 4 XPs this season (or one more than his career average per season), he still is a top-10 XP kicker.

Dumbasses.

I guess I Would rather have a kicker who can consistently boot 40-50 Yarders but miss an XP once in awhile rather than the opposite. With Mahomes and this offense the XPs have been devalued.

It is weird that he struggles with 33 yard kicks though?? Is everything the same on an XP as for a FG? The snap, the players, the hold, the formation???

He's an oddity, that's for sure.

It's like a player balling out at deep 3s but ****s up routine free throws.

In his career, Butker is 41-out-of-43 from 30-39 yds, and 186-out-of-199 kicking XPs.

let me spell this out for you guys: from 39 yards or less, Butker has missed just 15 times out of a possible 240 attempts (FGs/XPs combined). That's 93.8% for his career.

you people really need to find a hobby other than pissing and moaning about every Butker miss. Maybe try rhythmic dancing or something equally as mindless.

I guess I would ask how that compares to all other kickers around the league? Is that the average since the XP was moved back 3-4 years ago??

Do us all a favor and look it up, do a tiny bit of math and figure out the average, and report back, hmm?

otherwise, I'm going to go waaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here and say that a 94% conversion rate (47/50) is about as good as it gets in the NFL.

It’s literally NOT a big problem, but you and some of the other dumbasses on here are trying to make it into one.

The statistics would show that even though he struggled last season he is NOT the worst XP kicker in the league and if we consider the last few years, he’s not even close. So you’re hyperbolic statements are just that.

As has been said, we haven’t lost a single game because of it.

But I’m sure some other dumbass on here will make another post equating missing XP’s to drinking and driving . . . . . . . . . oh, wait.

Oh whew, he's 27th. Much better.

And how exactly is he a top 10 XP kicker and also 27th?

If he keeps missing XPs how he did last year, I don't see any reason we shouldn't go for 2 a majority of the time. I trust Mahomes and Reid getting 2 yards more than I trust Butker to make an XP.

I just realized I've created a thread that will be bumped any time Butker misses a kick. 7 years from now, Butker will miss a FG to cost us a game and Deberg will be there to bump this thread.

We were the 28th ranked team in XP conversations. I don't see how that isnt struggling. He's gotten worse literally every year since 2017.

2017: 100%
2018: 94%
2019: 93%
2020: 88%

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...ate=2021-02-08

But I guess I'm just making it up.

ROFL
Your math skills are just about non-existent, aren't they?

And this matters why?

I can make a year chart too:

2017: one game playoff exit (guess that 100% didn’t help us here)
2018: OT loss in AFC Title Game
2019: Super Bowl victory
2020: Super Bowl loss

So basically, since Butker’s XP % has gone down, are winning has gone up. Attaboy, Butker! Keep missing those XP’s!!













(And yes, I realize that’s ****ing stupid. Just like yours and some of the other idiots posts in this thread calling it a ‘big problem’)

Wut? So using a kickers declining conversion rate in a discussion about that kicker is stupid?

Using it in a discussion? No.

Saying it’s a ‘big problem’? Yes. Since it’s already been proven it hasn’t impacted us negatively in any tangible way.

Without any context whatsoever? Yep, that's dumb as shit. :thumb:

When that kicker has had only one bad year out of 4 it is kind of premature to worry about him. If he has another year like last year he needs to **** off, but when he has an average of 100% 94%, 94%, then an 88%. I’m only going to worry if that one shot year becomes the normal instead of the 94%

What's the context that makes it better? That we have Mahomes so mistakes like that aren't likely to cost us games? I agree. Still a problem though.

Did Ben Neiman cost us any games last year? No? Guess we shouldn't be in a rush to put Gay in over him then using your logic.

i gave you piles of context. Maybe you should go back and read some of them.

What you and your ilk are attempting is commonly referred to as 'nitpicking.' Look that one up as well.

See the difference?

Fair comparison since Ben Neiman is routinely mentioned as one of the better LBer’s in the NFL. Let me know when we have a better kicker on our roster than Butker that we can upgrade with.

You’re really just looking dumb and desperate now. You should just tap out now while you can.

It’s weird. Almost hits a 63 yarder. Nails 55 yarders at will but extra points are an issue. We need Townsend to kick extra points?

It's like when I was delivering pizza...I got pulled over a lot more than "normal" because I had a LOT more opportunity to be pulled over...at least that's what I told my wife....

But seriously, he kicks a LOT of extra points. People forget that. Sooner or later he'll miss a few. That it happened last night in a pre season game just gives people something to make noise about.

Butker is nails and the best kicker we've had in a long ass time. It's telling that Chiefs fans bitch about the kicker...cuz he has to kick so many damn extra points he missed a few. God I love this team!!

we should just go for 2 everytime after a TD, with our offense we'd make a good enough percentage of them to make it worth.

We do have an alternate to Butker kicking extra points that would be an upgrade. He's called Mahomes.


Sooooo....

I don't think saying we should opt to go for 2 more if our kicker keeps being (one of) the worst kickers in the league at XPs is nitpicking.

I guess I don’t see the reason for panic over the occasional missed XP when he makes everything from 50+.

Butker's worst XP% has been 88.8%.

Over the last 4 years the Chiefs success rate on 2-point conversions is 66%.

Which one is better?

Depends.


If 66%(2x)>88.8%(x), then 66% is better.

Depends a lot on what the exact value of 'x' is . . .

No, it doesn't - in this case, it's how many 2 pt conversions vs XPs are attempted.

66% of 100 2 pt conversions is a helluva lot better than 88% of 40 XPs...

Except that the Chiefs haven't attempted 100 2-pt conversions in the last 4 years. They've attempted something like 8.

Meanwhile, Butker's attempted 199 XPs, converting 186 of them.

And FYI, the league average success rate for 2-pt conversions is 48.6%.

There's no basis in fact for the Chiefs to consider going for 2 vs. Butker kicking XPs. Butker is far more efficient no matter how you look at it.

Uh...the 66%?

Is this a serious question?

I'll take a 66% of making 2 points over a 88% chance of 1 point.

The point is

Butker has gained 186 points out of 199 attempts.

If the chiefs decided to go for a two point conversion every time and completed at the league average of 49 percent, 0.46 x 199 x 2 points for every completed attempts that is 183 points. If we complete by a little higher than league average due to the Mahomes factor, then we come out ahead compared to the 186 points Butker earned.

I’m not necessarily advocating for this, just explaining the perspective.

Are you legitimately saying Mahomes, Reid and the rest of the offense can't get 2 yards better than Butker can kick an XP?


Btw, even at that league average 48%, if applied to the number of kicks Butker kicked, that comes out to 191 points.

191>186

And I bet our offense can pick up a lot more than 48% of them.

And yet our genius Super Bowl winning coach doesn’t utilize it more. Maybe he knows something you don’t? Maybe he trusts Butker.

We scored 57 TD’s last year. We kicked XP’s on 54 of those 57. Butker made 48 of those 54 XP’s. He missed 6, the equivalent of one TD (6 points), over the course of a 16 game season.

You want to completely change our philosophy on tries and line up Mahomes under center in goal line situations 57x a year to make up for one missed TD? Exposing him to possible injury in goal line situations, where QB’s tend to get hit a lot, if they’re not directly handing off to the running back post snap. You want to do all that for 6 ****ing points??

The dumb thing about the above scenario? If he had missed 2 less and had made 50 out of 54, you and others wouldn’t be bitching right now and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. So it’s really over 2 points and not even 6, since it’s unfair to expect any kicker in the NFL to go 100% on 50+ attempts.

So, yeah, I think your suggestion to just abandon the XP and line up Mahomes under center for 2 point conversions all the time, all in the name of recovering one TD over the course of a 16 game season, is also ****ing stupid.

And I’m guessing Coach Reid would probably agree with me. Thus why they only tried it 3 times all last season. You use it when you have to, not just because ‘OMG, Butker missed a few extra points!’, because unlike you (and others), they are more concerned with the long term health of Mahomes than they are one measley TD.

Yeah we might not having this conversation if he missed 2 less XPs. But he did. And I'd guess Reid isn't trying to rock the boat and trying to get Butkers confidence back up cause once you start attempting more 2 point conversions, you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. But I bet if it continues into this year we do start attempting more 2 point conversions.

The math supports this. Using these percentages:

Expected value of kicking the XP = .88 points
Expected value of going for 2 = 1.32 points

Yeah, it could be that.

Or it could be that the Chiefs are more concerned about the long term health (remember Denver?) of our half billion dollar franchise QB, literally the ONLY reason we will be in position to compete for a Super Bowl every single year, and they wanna do everything possible to minimize high contact situations for him unless it’s absolutely necessary.

But you’re probably right. It’s probably more about stroking Butker’s ego a little.

We’ll have to watch and see how many times the Chiefs opt to go for 2 this year, not because they need to, mind you, but because they’ve lost confidence in Butker. We’ll check the results at the end of the year and see who was right.

Yes, I'm sure injury risk also plays a part in why we don't go for it more. Is that something that's being disputed?

What kind of gutless take is this?

No. Reid is never going to look at Butker and say to himself, "well, he's only making 44 XPs out of every 50, so we have to start going for 2 more." No HC in their right mind would consider that. 44 points are 44 points, and at no risk to any starting offensive players. Simple.

And right now, last season's 6 misses (and wasn't there a botched hold and a blocked attempt or something last season?) were nothing more exciting than a statistical aberration, period. There's nothing to suggest that Butker is going to miss another 6 XPs this year, or any other year going forward. In fact, the numbers suggest that he'll miss 3 on average for the rest of his career. Any HC would take those 44 points and laugh all the way home.

Yeah, I quit trying to explain logic to Megatron long ago.

I didn't attempt to explain the math. He needs to pony up for a a semester of Quantitative Reasoning like the rest of us...

LMAO
math? here's a point: we have almost no evidence that the chiefs would convert 66 out of 100 2-pointers. We have 8 or 9 attempts over the last 4 years (or whatever the actual total is), and that's it. In the world of 'math' that's really close to the same thing as nothing.

At least with Butker we have 199 attempts, which isn't definitive either, statistically speaking, but it's a hell of a lot more significant than 8 or 9.

So while we'd like to think that KC could convert more 2-pointers than the league average, we literally have no actual facts to support that. "mathematically" the Chiefs conversion rate is insignificant at this time.

in other words, it's nothing more than a wild-ass guess.

I think a bigger issue is the reliability of points. Across a season you may score more points, but it will be more random in the times it is helpful. You could go through a game where you miss all 4 two point conversions and put yourself in a difficult spot.
This is why head coaches tend to do it when the extra point will be more likely to be helpful.