Justin Herbert or Mahomes?
 

We are starting to see some people saying Justin Hebert is/will be better than Patrick Mahomes. I think it’s ridiculous, but there are people that feel that way. I was wondering if anyone here would choose Hebert over Mahomes. So the choice is simple: who would you rather have as QB for the next 12 years? Hebert Or Mahomes?

Mahomes

/thread

Some people are stupid.

ROFL

Peterman or Mahomes?

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You trolled this last year, dude.

Never seen Herbie throw a game like Mahomes did Sunday.

Obviously Mahomes

But Herbert has a better gm setting up his team imo

every QB that comes out that seems good, people will be saying "is he the Mahomes?"

lol, feels good

Helps to have a bunch of top 10 draft picks.

Probably true. But they have also picked in the Top 10 for many years.

LMAO

Easy to have more success through the draft when you’re drafting high every year.

Meh wait until DC’s adjust to him. He’s in his honeymoon phase now.

For sure

But he’s been good in free agency of late too. Not all those dudes are early picks

LMAO

Literally all of their best players are early picks. Earlier picks than the Chiefs have ever had with Veach.

Other than bosa who did they take in the top 10? I’m too lazy to look it up

Well yeah, look who their coach has been

They drafted ****in Mike Williams in front of Mahomes lol

Whoops. Forgot about that

Herbert and Mike Williams.

that's why the draft is set up the way it is. Bad teams can get good players and hope to be better in the future. They've hit on most of their early first rounders it seems. Bills and Chargers and maybe the Bengals could be some competition in the AFC for the next few years. The tides are shifting, no more Pats dominance (thank God). Steelers are done for now.

Herbert
Bosa
James
Slater
Williams

Easily their 5 best young players, and all drafted in the top 20.

Just a small omission.

And help me out here again, a team that every year gets ravaged by injuries is better at drafting?

Oh yea and this is a dumb ****ing thread concept.

"Some people" are Chargers fans. All 12 of them.

Herbert's the real deal. Gonna be a rivalry the next 15 years and that's wonderful. I think he has better receivers at the 1/2 combo when their healthy.

Also, Telesco has been the Chargers GM for almost 10 years.

Veach is in year 4.

He did take Herbert later which seems to be working out fine. I don’t think Mahomes is Mahomes under the rb coach they had coaching then anyway

If the entire NFL was re drafted today Mahomes goes #1. End of story.

he does have some good targets. But we have the best receiving duo in history (at least in a 3 year span lol). Gordon is going to produce, I'm on board that train now.

Has Veach brought in any of the chiefs top 5 players?

Mathieu I guess

I’m not trying to shit on Veach moreso saying I think telesco has more of a track record and now with Herbert in tow should be right there

I’ve seen some awful takes on this board but this one might be the worst…

What has been Veach's highest draft pick?

Today:

10/26/20:

11/28/19:

Have you not done this one yet?

And of course the answer is Herbert.

For sure, it’s harder to pick where we are. I get that.

They’ve also brought in a lot of good players not in the first round who are playing well for them.

Maybe I’m just down on the chiefs defense and it’s clouding my judgement

Correct. Chargers are becoming a problem because their GM has done a much better job building their team than Veach has over here.

Shame we don't still have Dorsey or we'd still have a clearly superior roster.

Isn’t hiring a coach partly the GM’s responsibility? That would fall on Telesco for not finding the right guy to coach all that highly drafted talent.

32. The only 1st round pick he’s even had.

You’re a ****ing moron.

I'll literally murder u

True

Why does he still have thread privileges?

Nah that would be the guy who drafted Breeland Speaks.

One GM is drafting top 15 every year because he can’t find a good coach. The other has been drafting at the bottom because his team has been in at least the AFC title game the last 3 seasons. It’s apples and oranges.

Telesco has had the benefit of job security with a lack of success.

When you get 10 years, despite moderate success at best, you better get it right at some point.

And its arguable he is a top 5 or 6 player on this team.

Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, HB, Jones and then we get into what OL? I mean who is the next player you would hate to see injured?

ya

Yea because Veach is the first GM to ever make a bad draft pick outside of the 1st round.

Dorsey drafted KeiVarae Russell you dumb ****.

Honestly? It’s probably Sneed. I know people oddly think he’s having a bad season because he’s been beat a couple times, but he’s easily been our best player on defense.

Hell, Mike Danna has probably been our best DL too.

Chargers have does jack shit in years yet here we are talking about their unquestionable drafting strategy.

We gave them back because the trade off is bumping 15 year old threads... which is still happening.... :doh!:

It’s almost as if having job security despite moderate success for almost a decade can really benefit a young GM.

Yea my point is it gets really muddy after 5 or so players. and CEH going down would not be good period. He is very underrated at this point.

Dorsey's best draft picks: Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Jones, Hunt, Peters

Veach's best draft picks: Sneed, Trey Smith, Creed?, Hardman, CEH?

Big yikes.

And this thread also has 50 replies in 25 minutes.... it's apparently the guiltiest pleasure here.

You and Veach dating or something?

2 of Dorsey’s “best picks” didn’t even make it through their rookie contracts.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Veach’s list considering he’s had 1 1at round pick to work with and is just in year 4.

Dorsey came to this team with the #1 overall pick to work with.

Again, you’re a ****ing moron.

Big yikes considering where those guys were drafted? You are an idiot. Every one is a starter on a SB caliber team with around a 3rd round average draft pick.

No, just not a dumbass overreacting to the Chiefs losing a couple games due to turnovers and taking it out on Veach.

Hill, Kelce, Jones and Hunt not first round picks.

Elite players are there for the taking in the later rounds. Veach simply doesn't have Dorsey's eye for talent.

It's why he hasn't drafted any elite players in four years.

Not to mention Sneed, Humphrey, and Smith look like potential All-Pros. Comparing them to guys that are over 25 is just ducking stupid.

Veach was genius before the turnovers last week LMAO

We are only a super bowl team because of the Dorsey 3.

Pretty sure you or somebody else made this troll thread last year.

There are at least 3 guys that Veach has drafted that look like potentially elite players.

If Gay could just stay healthy, he’s easily a 4th.

None of the guys you mentioned were elite players this early in their careers. Maybe give it some ****ing time dumbass?

Yeah, thought it was him. LMAO

I think Gay has a lot of potential if he can stay healthy. But easily a 4th? That's some awfully wishful thinking based on how little he's been on the field.

We are only a potential dynasty because Veach sold the FO and Andy on Mahomes.

See how that works?

Care to compare the teams success under those guys?

Has Dorsey ever rebuilt an entire defense and OL in one offseason?

In order to bash Veach you literally have to ignore everything positive. Otherwise, you sound like a complete moron.

:facepalm:

Veach is the guy who found Mahomes. STFU idiot.

The big LOL was Miami passing on Herbert for Tua. I wasnt a big Herbet fan he wasnt awesome in college but taking a guy with an average arm coming off a bad hip injury? What was Miami doing?

By “easily a 4th” I mean potentially elite young player. He clearly has the talent to be elite.

Good god you’re reeruned.

Ah I see you're a believer in Clark Hunt's fairy tale.

The defensive rebuild was a house of cards that has already collapsed and now we're back to square one.

I'll give you that I'm impressed with the o-line rebuild so far.

Telesco has been GM since 2013 and Chargers have 2 playoff wins as wildcard and no division titles.

Veach has been GM since 2017 and Chiefs have 6 postseason wins and 4 division titles.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

So were those at Texas Tech in on the “fairy tale”? Another idiot running with that stupid narrative despite ALL of the facts.

I don’t agree, but I can completely understand why you feel this way. Any down votes are people who never learned how to put themselves in another headspace.

He looks amazing, but San Diego seems to have a more balanced team on offense… I know it sounds insane to say that with us having the best WR and TE in the game in their own ways, but we don’t have enough to balance what Kielce and hill provide on offense

Dorsey chose ****ing Mayfield over Allen, Lamar, and Darnold.

Clearly he was the guy that identified Mahomes first!

I believe that Veach was the scout assigned to Mahomes yes.

So naturally he was the point of contact for those at TTU the majority of the time.

I give John Dorsey the credit for listening to his scout like any GM would do and then making an incredibly savvy trade in order to select him.

Thanks to Dorsey, Mahomes is a Chief.

He helped turn 2 of the worst franchises in the NFL to 2 of the best in the league stop

No, he didn’t.

He wasn’t even there anymore. He had little to nothing to do with their HC hire or building arguably the best OL in football.

That’s why the Browns started winning.

Darnold is not better than Baker, Lamar can't throw.

Allen is the only player clearly better but we still don't know what he is for sure yet.