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BigChiefFan 10-10-2021 07:58 PM

Daniel Sorensen Is A Liability
 
At this point, I don’t believe Sorensen is worthy of a starting job. He has had several blown plays and several missed tackles, throughout the season. I’m not sure why we continue to trot out this scrub. For ever nice play he has, he whiffs on twice as many. Dirty Dan is detrimental to our defense. His shit an’t cutting it and I want him gone from his starting role. His play is sbyssmal.

jd1020 10-10-2021 08:00 PM

This entire defense is a liability. Its not just 1 guy.

St. Patty's Fire 10-10-2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15884516)
This entire defense is a liability. Its not just 1 guy.

he's particularly been heinous

Sassy Squatch 10-10-2021 08:02 PM

Thornhill needs to earn his playing time, bruh.

jdh81_06 10-10-2021 08:02 PM

He’s a special teams player on the practice squad with any other team in the NFL

Jerm 10-10-2021 08:02 PM

He’s been one for how long now and still starts and still plays all the time and still makes dumb mistakes….

jd1020 10-10-2021 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 15884522)
he's particularly been heinous

Name 1 player that hasn't.

Honey Badger was acting like he was being disrespected in the offseason in contract talks. Can you tell me what kind of impact he has made so far?

Sure-Oz 10-10-2021 08:04 PM

Not enough talent. The D line is garbage, LB garbage as well. I don't know how you can make them 20th at this point.

jdh81_06 10-10-2021 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15884531)
Thornhill needs to earn his playing time, bruh.

I can’t imagine you have to earn much to play on this defense. If you can fog a mirror you should be good.

kccrow 10-10-2021 08:04 PM

And who are the Chiefs going to start? They have nobody better and Veach hasn't made a move to try to improve it.

He's sometimes LB, sometimes deep FS responsibilities, etc. He can't be a jack of all things... Hell, he's barely a jack of anything. Keep him in the box and put Thornhill deep.

TwistedChief 10-10-2021 08:05 PM

He’s made some plays over the years that have been huge. But players drop off and he’s showing significant decline so intercepting Rivers or whatever a couple years ago or forcing a fumble literally means nothing right now.

I cannot fathom why he continues to see the field over Thornhill.

lcarus 10-10-2021 08:06 PM

The defense is just in a bad place. It's bad enough that they are slow and untalented pretty much across the board. It's made worse by the fact that nobody knows what the **** they're doing out there. Receivers are being left uncovered almost every play.

Mecca 10-10-2021 08:06 PM

If they really think Sorensen is better than Thornhill then how bad is that draft pick?

MGRS13 10-10-2021 08:07 PM

If spags hates thornhill that much put watts in. Jesus Christ Sorensen should be selling insurance right now.

Coach 10-10-2021 08:07 PM

Liability?

Shit, he's full of AIDS, Ebola, and Coronavirus all mixed together in a burning dumpster fire.

ChiefsHawk 10-10-2021 08:10 PM

Anyone giving Dan a pass should never talk about football

CoMoChief 10-10-2021 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 15884618)
If spags hates thornhill that much put watts in. Jesus Christ Sorensen should be selling insurance right now.

this

Chief Roundup 10-10-2021 08:13 PM

Who is the bigger liability Sorenson or the coach/coaches that continue to put him out there in these situations?

Gary Cooper 10-10-2021 08:15 PM

The pass rush during the Super Bowl run made the secondary look better. Now you're asking Sorensen to cover people for 5 to 7 seconds. Not a good idea. Sneed got burned earlier for a TD as well.

Sorensen is a role player. Role players only look good when star players look good. I said this in the GDT. Steve Kerr never had to shoot 25 times in one game.

KCJake 10-10-2021 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jdh81_06 (Post 15884534)
He’s a special teams player on the practice squad with any other team in the NFL

This. How hasn’t Thornhill earned playing time over this guy yet ???

Cosmos 10-10-2021 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15884516)
This entire defense is a liability. Its not just 1 guy.

You start with moving OUT the worst…..Sorensen.

Whatever schematic flexibility he provides is cancelled by missed tackles and blown assignments.

If you’re not a good enough coach to scheme a defense without SORENSON….you are not deserving to coordinate.

FloridaMan88 10-10-2021 08:20 PM

Sorensen’s play tonight is an insult to the word “liability”.

Mecca 10-10-2021 08:24 PM

The coaching staff treats Sorensen like he's Ronnie Lott in his prime.

The Franchise 10-10-2021 08:25 PM

Sorenson isn’t worth of a roster spot.

Nightfyre 10-10-2021 08:44 PM

How many missed tackles does Sorenson have, and how many does he lead the league by? I bet it's like a lead of a half dozen. The bills will leave him free and run right at him if he's in the box. If he's out of the box, they will throw right at him. He is terrible. In turn, he's never been good. He just has some clutch plays in his career. Apparently the coaching staff feels his incompetence is worth the clutch plays. You'll pardon me if I would disagree, and have cut him years ago.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-10-2021 08:51 PM

He's not the problem on Defense. It's way more. He's just the one you see in a play that goes bad because there's nobody else even close

MGRS13 10-10-2021 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15884982)
He's not the problem on Defense. It's way more. He's just the one you see in a play that goes bad because there's nobody else even close

He is absolutely not the only problem. But allowing him to continue to play as bad as he has s currently without replacing him do to incompetence is the problem

Nightfyre 10-10-2021 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15884982)
He's not the problem on Defense. It's way more. He's just the one you see in a play that goes bad because there's nobody else even close

He's absolutely the problem in the secondary. Or at least the largest part of the problem. Look at the all 22 and I bet you see other safeties out of position because they don't trust Sorenson.

Edit : also he doesn't do his job even when he's in the right spot. Hence he misses all the tackles.

Easy 6 10-10-2021 09:08 PM

I won't miss him in 2022

BryanBusby 10-10-2021 09:12 PM

This is on Brett, Andy and Steve.

If you hate Thornhill, fine. But Dan clearly ain't ****ing getting it done. You need to be hitting the FA wire until you find someone that can.

louie aguiar 10-10-2021 09:56 PM

What does he have to do to get pulled? He can’t cover, he can’t tackle but he’s still out there for almost every snap

TribalElder 10-10-2021 10:14 PM

OK, JUST WATCHED HIM WHIFF AND GIVE UP THE FIRST DOWN WHEN WE REALLY NEEDED IT. CANT ARGUE THIS THE OTHER WAY NOW

Hawker007 10-10-2021 10:15 PM

He is awful. Get him out!!!!

Fish 10-10-2021 10:20 PM

Defense is trash. It's gotten to Mahomes and he's trying to overcompensate. Just no breaks going our way 5 games straight. Figured it would be a rough start, but ****........

Bill Brasky 10-10-2021 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15884587)
He’s made some plays over the years that have been huge. But players drop off and he’s showing significant decline so intercepting Rivers or whatever a couple years ago or forcing a fumble literally means nothing right now.

I cannot fathom why he continues to see the field over Thornhill.

I would say I’ve been a Sorensen supporter, especially last year, but the significant decline is real. He’s always been slow and got destroyed in cover, but missing tackles like he did tonight is egregious.

It’s his last year hopefully.

jdh81_06 10-10-2021 10:20 PM

He’s so bad. I can’t believe he’s still on the field

Imon Yourside 10-10-2021 10:22 PM

He can play in the playoffs otherwise nah send him packing

Bl00dyBizkitz 10-10-2021 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15884982)
He's not the problem on Defense. It's way more. He's just the one you see in a play that goes bad because there's nobody else even close

What a surprise, Hog's Gone Fishin defending our "leading tackler"

kccrow 10-10-2021 10:35 PM

I'm asking again who is the player that subs for Sorensen? Whoever downvoted me the first time, answer the question.

He plays some hybrid WTF between LB and S but its so variable.

You can't just "stick in Thornhill/Watts" because Sorensen isn't a S 50% of the time. Then you have the fact that Watts has been shit since day 1 as well and what exactly is going on with Thornhill? Obviously something isn't right with Thornhill or he'd be out there as the deep safety.

You haven't had Gay available until part-time tonight to offset the LB piece.

What was KC supposed to do? Honestly. Sorensen sucks in this multiple role but they haven't had anyone to put out there to really combat it.

The Franchise 10-10-2021 10:37 PM

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The Franchise 10-10-2021 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15886394)
I'm asking again who is the player that subs for Sorensen? Whoever downvoted me the first time, answer the question.

He plays some hybrid WTF between LB and S but its so variable.

You can't just "stick in Thornhill/Watts" because Sorensen isn't a S 50% of the time. Then you have the fact that Watts has been shit since day 1 as well and what exactly is going on with Thornhill? Obviously something isn't right with Thornhill or he'd be out there as the deep safety.

You haven't had Gay available until part-time tonight to offset the LB piece.

What was KC supposed to do? Honestly. Sorensen sucks in this multiple role but they haven't had anyone to put out there to really combat it.

Maybe Spags needs to figure this shit out because his defense is garbage with Sorenson out there. Change it up and stop using him as some LB/S hybrid.

jd1020 10-10-2021 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15886420)
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That's funny but its not really true.

JohnnyHammersticks 10-10-2021 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky (Post 15886201)
I would say I’ve been a Sorensen supporter, especially last year, but the significant decline is real. He’s always been slow and got destroyed in cover, but missing tackles like he did tonight is egregious.

It’s his last year hopefully.

Ditto. Dan's Super Bowl run clutch play grace period has officially ended. Thanks for the memories, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

MGRS13 10-10-2021 10:41 PM

Look it’s easy. You go into work every day and try your hardest for your corporate whore boss. The guy that sits next to you shows up late in a stained shirt fumbles his way through the day if he’s awake at al. Day after day. He keeps getting atta boys and is never held accountable. No one says shit. Guess what happens, 11 people in that office, at a minimum 8 of them decide. **** it. They don’t care I don’t care. That’s why you bench his ass. If you don’t understand this you are one of the 8.

kccrow 10-10-2021 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15886434)
Maybe Spags needs to figure this shit out because his defense is garbage with Sorenson out there. Change it up and stop using him as some LB/S hybrid.

I really don't disagree that Sorensen has been awful. I just don't see how there was much of a solution available to Spags either. I think with Gay coming back into the fold, there should be more there. I'm not sure what is up with Thornhill but him and Gay out there would seem to add a ton of athleticism.

The Franchise 10-10-2021 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15886469)
I really don't disagree that Sorensen has been awful. I just don't see how there was much of a solution available to Spags either. I think with Gay coming back into the fold, there should be more there. I'm not sure what is up with Thornhill but him and Gay out there would seem to add a ton of athleticism.

Yeah Gay will help. I just don’t know what to do about that pass rush. It’s ****ing trash.

BryanBusby 10-10-2021 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15886469)
I really don't disagree that Sorensen has been awful. I just don't see how there was much of a solution available to Spags either. I think with Gay coming back into the fold, there should be more there. I'm not sure what is up with Thornhill but him and Gay out there would seem to add a ton of athleticism.

Then you look at some ****ing street FA's. You don't keep ****ing the same old chicken, hoping for a different result.

Mecca 10-10-2021 10:48 PM

Dan Sorensen has been here for like 8 years, that's on the Chiefs for not thinking talent matters.

kccrow 10-10-2021 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15886482)
Yeah Gay will help. I just don’t know what to do about that pass rush. It’s ****ing trash.

Clark coming back will help at least a bit. He's not worth $100 million but he's worth a lot more than everything else the Chiefs have there right now. I would love to see trade by the deadline to address it. I think Clark, Danna, and a traded for pass rusher along with moving Jones back inside primarily would help quite a bit.

kccrow 10-10-2021 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 15886491)
Then you look at some ****ing street FA's. You don't keep ****ing the same old chicken, hoping for a different result.

There isn't much on that bone either but I did mention HaHa Clinton Dix and Jordan Lucas being on practice squads last week at FS.

Gravedigger 10-10-2021 10:50 PM

Sorenson should only ever be a backup, never a starter.

MMXcalibur 10-10-2021 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 15886491)
Then you look at some ****ing street FA's. You don't keep ****ing the same old chicken, hoping for a different result.

I mean....a hole is a hole....

BryanBusby 10-10-2021 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15886498)
There isn't much on that bone either but I did mention HaHa Clinton Dix and Jordan Lucas being on practice squads last week at FS.

I agree there ain't much meat left on the bone but this Defense isn't worth preserving as is. It's time to churn.

ping2000 10-10-2021 10:54 PM

**** you Dan. Time to take that job at UPS. You are slow and you suck.

PutQuinnIn 10-10-2021 11:00 PM

The Danny Ainge of the NFL

Shiver Me Timbers 10-10-2021 11:01 PM

There are no subs or quick fixes for this Defense. It will take more than one year to fix this problems on D. Spags- gone. over hall and start from scratch. In the mean time- the current support cast for PM will be getting "aged". It is a quagmire.

Rexx 10-10-2021 11:02 PM

And you just now came to this conclusion? Been this way all year.

Rainbarrel 10-10-2021 11:13 PM

49 is a get out of jail free card now.

Ken Bone 10-10-2021 11:26 PM

Sorenson is a practice squad player at best for 31 other NFL teams.

emaw1979 10-11-2021 05:07 AM

Teams have been targetting him all year with a very high success rate. I've never been a fan of his (outside of the Texans playoff game and the saving tackle in the Browns playoff game), but he's regressed big time this season. He was slow to begin with but he's lost a few steps.

He's definitely not the only issue with this team but if he's replaced with an average player they are probably 4-1 or 5-0. He's been that bad.

loochy 10-11-2021 06:00 AM

He chased Allen from the pocket, across he field, and up the field for about 10 yards on what should have been an easy sack. WHY IS HE SO SLOW?!??

TambaBerry 10-11-2021 07:41 AM

At this point throw Devon Key in there and see how he does. He can't be worse then Sorenson.

Kman34 10-11-2021 07:49 AM

When Ward comes back I don’t see why Fenton couldn’t play Sorensons position… Just anybody else please… I seriously was wanting Sorenson to be hit by lightning last nite…

Sassy Squatch 10-11-2021 07:53 AM

Can't honestly blame him anymore. Spagnuolo is the one putting him into position to fail.

displacedinMN 10-11-2021 07:55 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ain’t no worse feeling in ball than your teammate looking at you like Ty Mathieu looking at Sorenson! ������<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/vFLsKVXFLf">pic.twitter.com/vFLsKVXFLf</a></p>&mdash; Emmanuel Acho (@EmmanuelAcho) <a href="https://twitter.com/EmmanuelAcho/status/1447379722325749763?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

arrwheader 10-11-2021 07:55 AM

Did anything change in the second half with Sorenson? Did they play Thornhill more or change his position? Any adjustment?

notorious 10-11-2021 07:57 AM

Dan was still out there a lot.

bigjosh 10-11-2021 08:13 AM

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Yikeees

jd1020 10-11-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15887111)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ain’t no worse feeling in ball than your teammate looking at you like Ty Mathieu looking at Sorenson! ������<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/vFLsKVXFLf">pic.twitter.com/vFLsKVXFLf</a></p>&mdash; Emmanuel Acho (@EmmanuelAcho) <a href="https://twitter.com/EmmanuelAcho/status/1447379722325749763?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So far this season, that pose is the only thing HB is going to be remembered for this year.

He's going to go into next years contract talks jamming out to Shaggy.

DJ's left nut 10-11-2021 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader (Post 15887112)
Did anything change in the second half with Sorenson? Did they play Thornhill more or change his position? Any adjustment?

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15887115)
Dan was still out there a lot.

Every. Single. Snap.

He played 100% of the defensive snaps last night. Despite being obviously washed.

This is one of the more inexplicable decisions I can ever remember. How can they still be playing him? He's getting absolutely toasted by pretty average athletes at this point. It isn't just premier guys finding space against him - your average blocking TE and/or 4th WR can work him over.

His role doesn't need to be diminished - it needs to be eliminated outright.

Brett Veach doesn't have the juevos to put the bite collar on the coaching staff by cutting the dude - but it really should be done. If they won't take him off the field, you need to do it for them.

DJ's left nut 10-11-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15887169)
So far this season, that pose is the only thing HB is going to be remembered for this year.

He's going to go into next years contract talks jamming out to Shaggy.

I'm also getting more than a little tired of Mathieu's histrionics.

To watch him, you'd think he's never made a mistake. I get the frustration, but you've ****ed up plenty of times as well, boss. Every single breakdown you get some clip of him throwing his hands up and having a temper tantrum.

You think your teammates are real eager to listen to you bark at them when you continue to publicly show them up? And god help you if you've been responsible for some of those breakdowns because you'll get on many a shit list for that kind of nonsense.

And if anyone dared behave like that when he made a mistake, he'd have kittens over it.

Be a leader - not a toddler.

Jerm 10-11-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15887197)
I'm also getting more than a little tired of Mathieu's histrionics.

To watch him, you'd think he's never made a mistake. I get the frustration, but you've ****ed up plenty of times as well, boss. Every single breakdown you get some clip of him throwing his hands up and having a temper tantrum.

You think your teammates are real eager to listen to you bark at them when you continue to publicly show them up? And god help you if you've been responsible for some of those breakdowns because you'll get on many a shit list for that kind of nonsense.

And if anyone dared behave like that when he made a mistake, he'd have kittens over it.

Be a leader - not a toddler.

That's pretty much all he's done all season...I'm completely over it, makes me roll my eyes every time I see him acting like a petulant child on the field.

It's esp. eye roll worthy considering outside of one Pick 6 thrown right at him, he hasn't done much at all and this coming off the heels of wanting a new deal.

DJ's left nut 10-11-2021 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 15887201)
That's pretty much all he's done all season...I'm completely over it, makes me roll my eyes every time I see him acting like a petulant child on the field.

It's esp. eye roll worthy considering outside of one Pick 6 thrown right at him, he hasn't done much at all and this coming off the heels of wanting a new deal.

The best half of football the Chiefs defense has played this year was probably the 2nd half of the Browns game. And Mathieu wasn't a part of it.

Now that's not to say that was a particularly good half, but the defense hasn't been any better with him around throwing fits and showing guys up than it is with him in warm-ups on the sideline.

I don't think he's the largest part of the problem, but I don't see how anyone could argue he's been anything resembling a solution to this point.

Chris Meck 10-11-2021 08:38 AM

It's time to blow up that side of the ball entirely again.

All of them, even time to trade Jones. Clark, HB, Hitchens, Ward. Every single player that we're paying any real money.

I'd rather have two decent but unspectacular DE's than one Clark. Two decent safeties than one HB. Jones is so wildly inconsistent, even at DT that it's not worth it.

Scrap the whole damned thing, get some mid priced decent guys in here, run an aggressive scheme with some decent athletes and start over with your Sneeds, Boltons, and Gays.

rabblerouser 10-11-2021 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15884587)
He’s made some plays over the years that have been huge. But players drop off and he’s showing significant decline so intercepting Rivers or whatever a couple years ago or forcing a fumble literally means nothing right now.

I cannot fathom why he continues to see the field over Thornhill.

It reminds me of when Jerome Woods hit the wall. He broke his leg, then came back, had one good season, then was terrible forever.

DJ's left nut 10-11-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 15887244)
It reminds me of when Jerome Woods hit the wall. He broke his leg, then came back, had one good season, then was terrible forever.

Even that one good season had a whole lot of fan hopes/dreams behind it.

Everyone liked Woods and that broken leg was pretty gnarly. We wanted to see him succeed so badly. But I'm pretty sure he had 2 big plays that year, one on a deflected pass and one when a receiver fell down. He was clearly a step slow and needed fortunate breaks to make an impact, even in that 'good' comeback season.

And that was to be expected. He was in his 30s and coming off a major lower body injury. Of course he was going to decline. Like Sorensen in 2020, there's a pretty decent chance he was cooked even in his comeback year. He was just in the right place at the right time a few times, so we overlooked it until the following season when those breaks stopped coming and it was obvious he wasn't a player anymore.

Gary Cooper 10-11-2021 08:57 AM

You guys are missing the point. Every time Daniel Sorensen starts an NFL game, it's a feel good story. It's Rudy-esque at this point. It shows that if you work hard enough, anything is possible in this world.

gblowfish 10-11-2021 09:11 AM

The lady sitting next to me at the game last night was wearing a Sorensen Jersey. I just shook my head and curbed my tongue. I wish she could have heard the evil stand up comic in my head...

arrwheader 10-11-2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20 (Post 15887301)
You guys are missing the point. Every time Daniel Sorensen starts an NFL game, it's a feel good story. It's Rudy-esque at this point. It shows that if you work hard enough, anything is possible in this world.

I literally think at this point that this is the only reason he is getting the snaps he gets......

PHOG 10-11-2021 09:16 AM

He can go be a feel good story on somebody else's team.


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