The "Inevitability" of Mahomes
 

Seems like it's over in a big way after the Super Bowl.

Before February I really can't think of a game we lost because Mahomes failed to come through in the clutch.

It's already happened three times this year. Granted the Baltimore game wasn't directly his fault, but he didn't exactly put the game away when he had the chance either.

The Chargers game he had the ball with a chance to lead the game winning drive and instead threw an interception.

Last night, the defense actually made a couple stops early in the 2nd half to give us a chance to get back in the game. We responded with a pick six (again not his fault) and a backbreaking INT on the goal line that was.

Previously it felt like no deficit was too big, no defense was too good. Mahomes would overcome and make the plays when it mattered.

It hasn't happened this year.

To be clear, I don't think Pat is the problem. But he hasn't been the solution that he always has been in the past.

How he gets back to that, IDK. But the aura and the mystique seems to be fading.

This league will hunt you down and humble you.

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This board really does overreact to everything. People need to get a grip and just wait to see how it plays out.

All they need to do is find a way to get the defense back to somewhere in the ballpark of last year's and to cut out some of the miscues. These things are doable.

Keep in mind that this was easily the toughest stretch of games they'll play this year. And frankly, they should be 4-1. It sucks to be in this position and no one expected it, but the gloom and doom is a little premature. There are a lot of games ahead.

I couldn’t disagree more. First of all, Pat is going to make mistakes and secondly, his current mistakes are being made because he feels that he has to make something happen because of the dismal performance of his defense. To put it in prospective, we are giving up 7.1 yards per play. The 2000 Rams who many would say was the best offense ever averaged 7 yards per play. We aren’t playing the 2000 Rams so this should tell us the defensive effort is absolutely terrible.

Jeezus there are a lot of Mahomes threads today

The Uncomfortable Reality that is a fading Patrick Mahomes.

It's tough to know what's going on, but there's no question he's regressed a bit this year. He's had rough games in past years, but then he always would find a way to pull it together in the end.

Last night, he looked off all night. There were at least a half dozen throws that were there that he either sailed or planted in the dirt.

The D sucks, no doubt. But they DO tend to pull it together for a few drives each game. Normally, we'd expect the offense to take advantage of those. This year, we're just not.

You realize how hard it is to win a Superbowl right? Much less multiple as a QB. Brady isn't normal and failed more seasons than he won even with 7 titles and a slew of HGH. Shit people here said he was "done" after he failed a few times after number 3

He was ****ing awful last night. No need to beat around the bush. He was awful.

As soon as he duffed that throw to Kelce on the first drive I knew something was off. He never misses a wide open guy that badly.

I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

Not making excuses for Patrick but Tyreek dropped a TD and let the ball go through his hands for a pick 6.. But still not a Mahomes game that we’re used to.. He’s pressing a bit..

I think he has an inury to his shoulder that is being hidden. He had NOTHING o nthe ball last night and threw about 20 grounders.

I've never seen him throwing worse

Its quite simple really. He’s not taking the short stuff when its there. Its what analysts worried would happen his first three seasons but this season is when its happening. Couple that with CEH stock dropping significantly making it even mire difficult. I’m just glad we have a whole season to get it figured out. I can’t speak for the lack of pass rush, even when we blitz we rarely get home. I’m not sounding the alarm just yet. Most of the bounces this year have gone the wrong way and against good teams.

I do think it's a bit premature to think the dynasty talk is dead after a start like this.

We're coming off three consecutive trips to the AFC championship game. We're still in uncharted waters for anything this franchise has ever accomplished. It's early in the year, let's see if we can course correct. If we do happen to have a 2014 like finish, then it's likely time to consider if this franchise needs restructuring.

Not with this defense...

Total garbage. He just threw a ball 55 yards off his back foot last week.

Chiefs fan is a real dumbass today.

Everyone on offense looks super tight and rigid.

A common theme on offense during the SB runs was the obvious fun they were having. Now they look like stressed out grown up with real jobs.

Yeah, wasn't sure what to think about it... a few times it looked like he was extremely frustrated and basically throwing it away, and a few other times they were just terrible throws.

And then on top of that, the "yeah, it's just not your night" kind of things like the defensive lineman interception, a couple of balls going through Tyreek's hands and of course the pick 6, etc.

We need to be able to run the ball.

CEH is one of the biggest wastes of a draft pick I can ever remember. Darrel Williams can do everything he does and honestly he can do it better.

Allen outplayed Mahomes, yes. But he had all day to throw and guys running wide open all over the field.

We aren't able to scheme anybody open anymore. I remember when analysts would marvel about how we seemingly had guys running wide open all over the place. Last night Buffalo looked like we used to look.

Now? No one respects our run game and teams are routinely dropping seven or sometimes even eight into coverage.

I don't care how good Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are. You can't throw the ball when there's 8 in coverage. You HAVE to be able to run the ball to keep defenses honest.

We can't and it makes us easy to defend.

The criticism of Mahomes seems way overboard. He was off on several throws but it's not the first time that's ever happened. I'm guessing the rain had something to do with it.

I remember when a "terrible" game for a QB was 120 yards. If 333 total yards with two TDs and a couple unlucky picks is the worst case scenario, I'll take it.

The offense will be absolutely fine. They just need to make some changes on defense and get key players healthy.

A 3rd option in the receiving game would make a big difference, even with a poor running game. We can only hope Josh Gordon is that #3 option. The other WR's cannot get the job done.

This. A lot of the fan base and certainly some of the media started to hype up this idiotic “can Mahomes catch Brady” narrative in regards to SB wins. Winning even one SB is an accomplishment that few achieve. Winning two is incredible. Anything more is next level unreal. Rodgers is probably the most gifted thrower of the ball I’ve ever seen. Unless you think he’s winning another one within the next couple of years (I don’t think so), he’ll finish with one. A few years ago, with the Legion of Doom and all, it was easy to think Wilson would win multiple SB. Now, he looks like the 3rd best QB in his own division.

Like it or not, what Brady has done will not be replicated. Not in our lifetime. It’s DiMaggio hitting streak level of protected.

Not going to lie, this is feeling Aaron Rodger-esc.

Except Rodgers is a douche and a shitty leader. Mahomes is none of those things.

This is a far more likely scenario than Brady & the Patriots.

Rogers-Packers, or Wilson-Seahawks is far more likely.

That's just the way the NFL is built. You get old fast at most positions, especially defense.

Unless your front office over performs in the draft, it's hard to stay in contention year after year. With Mahomes, we'll be in the playoff hunt most years, but we may not have a Super Bowl caliber squad more than 2-3 more times over the remainder of his career.

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I think it's easy to forget how much the NFL stacks the odds against successful teams. If you are absolutely fantastic at drafting, you might be able to keep it going, but constantly drafting low eventually means you have to pay more in free agency, which means you can't keep your best guys. Add to that the scheduling structure that puts us up against three other division winners that no other AFCW teams have to contend with (Bills, Packers, and Titans), and it's just really tough to keep it going.

Brady is 1) insanely good and 2) the beneficiary of playing in a truly horrific division for most of his career.

Why is everyone named Clay a douche

Mahomes is great and has accomplished things in his first few years that most will never sniff. But, the media anointed him as the Michael Jordan of the NFL far too soon. Coupled with the pressure of having to carry a horrendous defense week in and out, perhaps he’s struggling a bit mentally which in-turn is affecting his game. It’s gotta be extremely difficult to live up to the hype every week. Good thing the media is onto slobbering over Herbert and Allen now. Maybe it’ll allow Pat to get back on track.

One other thing; the flashy crap like no-look passes needs to go. Mahomes needs to focus on his footwork, pocket presence, and better decision making. Back to X’s and O’s and I’m confident Reid will help get him there.

I agree with all of that, but I think Reid himself has been in a slump ever since his son got into the drunk driving accident. Better playcalling would be nice. And it would also be nice if “elite” Tyreek would stop making huge mistakes with the ball in his hands.

Lotta truth here

Tom Brady's asshole is tighter than a roll of quarters during a game. That doesn't matter.

Brady also had a coach that would cut players that ****ed up.

Andy’s ****-ups hang around like herpes.

Is he having a stretch where he is not playihg his best football?

Yeah.

Regression implies a permanent step backwards.....I think the term is overkill.

He is trying to overcompensate for the defense by taking chances he normally wouldn't take and they have not worked out.

Has Mahomes declined (despite his league leading QBR) or is it actually the league worst defense that is holding the team back?

This is a tough one.

He's on pace for 58 TDs. I think overreaction is the only word to describe this. He's been pretty damn good aside from various moments last night, which was in poor conditions.

Because he played on an unmatched string of elite level teams where he barely had to do anything but maintain ball possession and throw short passes. The mythology around Brady is honestly 10 times more ridiculous than it is around MJ and so much of it is underserved.

He's leading the league in QBR with only Stafford close to him right now among other QBs. Many people apparently don't have a goddamn clue what they're even watching.

Mahomes is elite and right now he is getting hosed over by poor decisions.

Build the man a defense.

People seem to be misinterpreting this as a bash Mahomes post which is not the case.

Patrick has not been the problem this year. This is more me pointing out that the obstacles he's facing this year are so much greater than in the past that even he is unable to overcome it like he always has before.

It's become clear this year that just having Patrick Mahomes isn't going to be good enough to solve all our problems. The rest of the team is simply too flawed this year for him to be able to cover it all up.

He had a losing record in college. One player cannot fix a trash roster. KC has 3 good players and a bunch of scrubs, including very highly paid scrubs on defense. Maybe they should have spent the $70M on offense instead of their 5 highly paid defensive players. Couple of stud WR, couple of stud RB would go a long way.

Clark and Jones actually rushing the passer to the level they're paid for would change everything on defense.

The biggest problem on D is easily the line. There's just no pressure whatsoever.

He's 9th in Passer Rating, right behind Joe Burrow and Jameis Winston. QBR isn't a real stat because it has no formula, it's just some schmuck's opinion in number form with a lot of smoke and mirrors added to make it seem more 'official' than that.

Or is it poor coaching, to push Mahomes not to trust his instincts. If there is a problem with Patrick he seems more indecisive and going against his gunslinger mentality

If you're at the game or watch the All-22 you'll see that no one is open downfield.

It's not that Mahomes isn't pulling the trigger or not seeing guys. It's that no one is down there for him to throw to.

Our scheme is trash and our receivers don't improvise to create openings when the play breaks down.