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KC_Connection 10-12-2021 04:49 PM

FO: Chiefs have 8th Worst Defense Ever Through 5 Games
 
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The flip side of the Buffalo defense is the Kansas City defense, which has been horrendous through the first five games. The Chiefs now are the eighth-worst defense ever tracked by DVOA through five games.

Worst Defensive DVOA
Through 5 Games, 1983-2021
Year Team W-L DVOA
2019 MIA 0-5 35.8%
1998 WAS 0-5 35.7%
2006 HOU 1-4 32.4%
1998 PHI 0-5 31.3%
1992 NE 0-5 31.2%
2001 ARI 2-3 30.1%
1985 BUF 0-5 29.5%
2021 KC 2-3 29.3%
2017 NE 3-2 28.2%
2010 BUF 0-5 27.8%
2012 BUF 2-3 27.8%
2018 TB 2-3 27.7%

And yet, I think the idea that the Chiefs are no longer a good team has been overstated. The Chiefs are still 14th in DVOA despite a losing record. Even after a poor game against the Bills, their offense still ranks No. 1 on the year, ahead of the Buccaneers and Rams. Some of the issue here is one of schedule strength early. Kansas City has played the hardest schedule so far according to average DVOA of opponent. It's also the No. 4 schedule of opposing defenses and the No. 2 schedule of opposing offenses. So both sides of the ball don't look as good as they really are because of the level of competition. The Chiefs, for example, rank only fifth in unadjusted offensive VOA -- it's when we add the adjustments for schedule and fumble recovery luck that they move into the top spot.

There's never been a team like the Chiefs that was so good on offense and so bad on defense this early in the season, but I did go looking for similar teams that were not as extreme. I started by looking for other teams that had offensive and defensive DVOA both over 25% after five games. There's one such team: the 2013 San Diego Chargers, who ranked third in offense and last in defense after five games. The Chargers started 2-3, like the Chiefs. They went on to finish 9-7 and made the playoffs, upsetting the Bengals in the wild-card round and then losing to Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos in the divisional round. The Chargers finished that season second in offensive DVOA and last in defensive DVOA, although their defensive rating improved from 27.3% after Week 5 to 19.3% at the end of the year.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dv...cent-greatness

So the Chiefs unsurprisingly have one of the worst defenses ever tracked by DVOA, but there may be hope as the offense is still as elite as ever. Can they ever get a stop, though?

KC_Connection 10-12-2021 04:50 PM

Also worth noting that the 2017 Patriots team on that list made the SB (before losing hilariously to Nick Foles).

Hammock Parties 10-12-2021 04:53 PM

Gonna be honest, the defense gave me a lot of hope in the second half of that game before that stupid ****ing Cheffers play.

We're going to turn this around.

ToxSocks 10-12-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15890998)
Gonna be honest, the defense gave me a lot of hope in the second half of that game.

We're going to turn this around.

Spags finally stopped playing that bend but dont break bullshit.

We talked about it before the Bills game.

Much like the '19 season, you're gonna break anyway so ****ing pressure the mother****ers and see if you can force some mistakes.

Red Dawg 10-12-2021 04:55 PM

We know they suck on defense. New at 11.

Red Dawg 10-12-2021 04:56 PM

I didn't see any hope. Looked like the Bill's took mercy on us and got conservative.

TEX 10-12-2021 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15891000)
Spags finally stopped playing that bend but dont break bullshit.

We talked about it before the Bills game.

Much like the '19 season, you're gonna break anyway so ****ing pressure the mother****ers and see if you can force some mistakes.

Yep. Go down swinging and ya may knock somebody out.

notorious 10-12-2021 05:02 PM

I'm surprised it's that good to be honest.

HC_Chief 10-12-2021 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 15891004)
I didn't see any hope. Looked like the Bill's took mercy on us and got conservative.

They definitely pulled their foot off of the accelerator. It could have been much worse. I think they didn't want to give KC any additional fodder/fuel for a possible playoff matchup. Stomping a mud hole into a team that ran it up on you is sahweet justice/catharsis

Hammock Parties 10-12-2021 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 15891004)
I didn't see any hope. Looked like the Bill's took mercy on us and got conservative.

It was 24-13. They weren't just trying to run out the clock.

We played excellent defense in that third quarter.

Rasputin 10-12-2021 05:09 PM

I'm tired of hearing how quarterbacks are out playing Mahomes. No mother ****ers they are out playing our putrid defense but Mahomes leads the league in touchdowns.

KC_Connection 10-12-2021 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 15891019)
I'm tired of hearing how quarterbacks are out playing Mahomes. No mother ****ers they are out playing our putrid defense but Mahomes leads the league in touchdowns.

If we're talking about the season to this point, no other QB has outplayed Mahomes at all. You wouldn't know it from the media narratives though.

KCTitus 10-12-2021 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 15891019)
I'm tired of hearing how quarterbacks are out playing Mahomes. No mother ****ers they are out playing our putrid defense but Mahomes leads the league in touchdowns.

Touchdowns is impressive, does he lead the league in Wins?

Gary Cooper 10-12-2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15890993)
Also worth noting that the 2017 Patriots team on that list made the SB (before losing hilariously to Nick Foles).

At least we have something to look forward to.

Molitoth 10-12-2021 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15891080)
If we're talking about the season to this point, no other QB has outplayed Mahomes at all. You wouldn't know it from the media narratives though.

And all of the INT that are on Pat's stat sheet and people get upset about.

Yes, he has had a few stinkers... but a few also of tipped passed by the WR's being shitbags, WR's running wrong routes, and a few on 3rd and long... so basically a punt.

Molitoth 10-12-2021 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 15891089)
Touchdowns is impressive, does he lead the league in Wins?

Team stat.... get out of here with that shit.

You want Alex Smith back?

KCTitus 10-12-2021 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 15891101)
Team stat.... get out of here with that shit.

You want Alex Smith back?

I saw Alex Smith on Sunday and NO I dont want that shit back.

TwistedChief 10-12-2021 05:59 PM

Apparently we're allowing something like 8yds per play.

The only team to average 8yds per play was the 2007 Patriots which are thought to be one of the best offensive teams in history.

So, essentially, our defense makes everyone look like the best offensive team in history.

How did we get here?!

Bowser 10-12-2021 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15890990)
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dv...cent-greatness

So the Chiefs unsurprisingly have one of the worst defenses ever tracked by DVOA, but there may be hope as the offense is still as elite as ever. Can they ever get a stop, though?

Eighth ever in history is something special!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3c87...temid=13625445

Easy 6 10-12-2021 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15891116)
Apparently we're allowing something like 8yds per play.

The only team to average 8yds per play was the 2007 Patriots which are thought to be one of the best offensive teams in history.

So, essentially, our defense makes everyone look like the best offensive team in history.

How did we get here?!

The only thing I'm certain of, is that no one here seen it coming at all... as I recall

Certainly not me

Even after the horrid SB loss, the offseason was almost jubilant around here... the O line was fixed, Helaire was gonna bust out, and at least on paper the defense won't skip a beat!

Truth is no one should've or could've expected this complete defensive collapse, suddenly being this bad just doesn't add up

TwistedChief 10-12-2021 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15891191)
The only thing I'm certain of, is that no one here seen it coming at all... as I recall

Certainly not me

Even after the horrid SB loss, the offseason was almost jubilant around here... the O line was fixed, Helaire was gonna bust out, and at least on paper the defense won't skip a beat!

Truth is no one should've or could've expected this complete defensive collapse, suddenly being this bad just doesn't add up

Absolutely. Our corners were thin but not bad on the whole. Sneed was a potential top-10 guy. Matthieu was Matthieu and Thornhill was going to be back full steam. Our LBs have been mediocre for years but the idea that we could put Gay in there with more experience and have a more cerbral Nick Bolton on the field was an arrow pointed upward. The DL had Reed which allowed Jones to kickoutside. Danna and Wharton flashed some as rookies and were supposed to improve. Clark wasn't worth his contract but was certainly above average. Nnnadi is Nnadi in the middle.

We've literally failed massively at every single level at the exact same time. It's impossible to place blame on any one position group because they've all been so atrocious.

Easy 6 10-12-2021 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15891198)
Absolutely. Our corners were thin but not bad on the whole. Sneed was a potential top-10 guy. Matthieu was Matthieu and Thornhill was going to be back full steam. Our LBs have been mediocre for years but the idea that we could put Gay in there with more experience and have a more cerbral Nick Bolton on the field was an arrow pointed upward. The DL had Reed which allowed Jones to kickoutside. Danna and Wharton flashed some as rookies and were supposed to improve. Clark wasn't worth his contract but was certainly above average. Nnnadi is Nnadi in the middle.

We've literally failed massively at every single level at the exact same time. It's impossible to place blame on any one position group because they've all been so atrocious.

Its a tired answer that gives insight into nothing, but here goes anyway... the Super Bowl losers curse is real

Can't explain why, but its somehow a thing

Not throwing in the towel with 12 games left to get right, but with the talent on display so far... its tough to see us bucking that voodoo

Coochie liquor 10-12-2021 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 15891004)
I didn't see any hope. Looked like the Bill's took mercy on us and got conservative.

To me it looked like they were just running low efficiency plays at the end, and they were still turning into big plays. This defense is ridiculous. But I still have faith in the team.

mschiefs1984 10-12-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15890998)
Gonna be honest, the defense gave me a lot of hope in the second half of that game before that stupid ****ing Cheffers play.

We're going to turn this around.

Stadium went from super excited to downright pissed in a matter of seconds. If they don't call that BS then maybe the Chiefs get back in it. Killed any momentum that we had gotten in the 3rd

mschiefs1984 10-12-2021 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 15891004)
I didn't see any hope. Looked like the Bill's took mercy on us and got conservative.

Even if they did the D in the 1st half would miss tackles and still allowed them to put up a million points in the 2nd half

Bump 10-12-2021 07:07 PM

a lot better than I thought.

The offense wasn't clicking against the Bills, the Bills do have a good D though. But Mahomes was off and then you had some drops, bad 1st half play calling. It was a mess for our standard.

petegz28 10-12-2021 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15890998)
Gonna be honest, the defense gave me a lot of hope in the second half of that game before that stupid ****ing Cheffers play.

We're going to turn this around.

You mean when they were blitzing 7 guys?

Best22 10-13-2021 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 15891004)
I didn't see any hope. Looked like the Bill's took mercy on us and got conservative.

No our defense got its head out of its ass and didn’t let guys like Dawson Knox run wide open

They also started pressuring Allen

If you think Buffalo was content to sit on a 24-13 lead at Arrowhead you’re out of your mind

HemiEd 10-13-2021 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 15891089)
Touchdowns is impressive, does he lead the league in Wins?

This article is interesting and reminds me of the Greg Robinson defense that even the President joked about at the time. IIRC it was the 2003 team under Vermeil but could be wrong.

loochy 10-13-2021 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mschiefs1984 (Post 15891245)
Stadium went from super excited to downright pissed in a matter of seconds. If they don't call that BS then maybe the Chiefs get back in it. Killed any momentum that we had gotten in the 3rd


make your own momentum


dont just give up because big meany ref made a bad call that hurt your feelings

ThyKingdomCome15 10-14-2021 07:30 PM

Also, the Chiefs defense is giving up 7.1 yards per play. That's worst in NFL history. Unimaginable before the season.

Baby Lee 10-14-2021 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 15891712)
make your own momentum


dont just give up because big meany ref made a bad call that hurt your feelings

Poutyface is a big problem with this defense and has been for a while.

Over the past three years, there has to be some far outlier metric regarding points conceded AFTER a near-TO or TO-overturned by review or penalty.

InChiefsHeaven 10-14-2021 08:00 PM

This just tells me that we SHOULD be better, but this defense has to figure their shit out. Hard to believe they could sink the team with the best offense in the NFL. I believe they'll figure it out.

Just hope it's not too late for this year.

Abba-Dabba 10-14-2021 09:06 PM

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prhom 10-14-2021 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 15894239)
Also, the Chiefs defense is giving up 7.1 yards per play. That's worst in NFL history. Unimaginable before the season.

Yeah, I saw a tweet comparing that with the most prolific offense ever, the Greatest Show on Turf. It’s like we are playing Kurt Warner and the Rams every, single, week. That’s a tough way to play the game.


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