Complete Defensive failure
 

We've discussed it all ad nauseam. Some say it's all about the passrush. Others point to the slow TCOJCOLDS guy in coverage. Many feel the Linebackers are playing slow and reactionary, creating a gaping hole in the middle of the defense.

I don't understand how so many areas can go wrong at the same time. It's just insane to comprehend. I mean, this defense was not good by any stretch of the imagination for the past few years, but there were a few pieces that were good. And they did step up at times to show some semblance of prospect. Veach has gone out to add additional personnel in an attempt to infuse talent in certain spots. Both via the draft and FA.

A few examples would be Frank Clark, Anthony Hitchens, and Jarran Reed. The drafting of DL, LB, and CB's. For instance Clark was really good in Seattle. Maybe it was fool's gold and we were just happy to be rid of Dee Ford.

Jaylon Smith gets cut for what? Someone mentioned a rumor that it was over having been tackling people 3-4 yards past the LOS. What i wouldn't give for that type of production from Hitchens right now. He tackles 10 yards down field. Those are the ones he comes from the opposite side to get a tackle. The plays that come through his gaps he is either swallowed up by a single blocker or he just doesn't read the play and is flat footed. He is probably the worst player on this defense and everyone wants to point at Dirty Dan (for obvious reasons). But he has been spectacularly terrible for quite some time now. And he was a DECENT Linebacker in Dallas. He comes here and just Sucks.

Jarran Reed is a fantastic signing on paper. If i hadn't read it before the season, there'd be no reason to even know he was on this team. He's done nothing.

Mathieu is pissed at his entire team around him, and he's playing like it. His heart isn't into it this season.

There's no pass rush, but at the same time our DL does next to nothing against the Run. They are kind of just "there". The LB's have been "holy shit" bad, but I still want to hold on to hope for Gay and Bolton. The DB's have talent... there are a few young guys that have shown REAL promise in Fenton, Sneed, and Thornton. But as we've seen, 4 out of 6 guys in the secondary can be good... yet it still doesn't matter. With no pass rush, no adjustment to create pressure at all from the schemes, the islands of coverage just becomes to fragile.

There has to be some moment of enlightenment where Spags, Reid, or hell Veach says. "Okay enough is enough" and changes some stuff. Fire Spags, change the schemes, move CJ back to DT... I don't know what that is. But 5 games in, we're talking about an all-time worst Defense in the history of the NFL. I mean, i'm sitting here thinking Bob Sutton wasn't so bad. That's how bad it is this year.

There needs to be some accountability in the Front Office and Coaching staff.

Then, don't

I lay this at the feet of Spags. I don't care how some of our star signings may have dropped from their peak, there is a bigger problem than lack of talent when everyone on the defense sucks at the deepest level of suckage.

That usually means they don't get the defense, don't buy into the defense or are not the types of players to play that scheme of defense. Probably all 3.

My suspicion is the defense is so complicated and ****ed the position coaches don't agree with it and despite them trying to say they do the players know what the deal is.

That's where there needs to be some recognition and accountability taken by Reid\Veach.

I think the hardest thing to swallow about what is happening with the defense is that it is so mind boggling that they are this ****ing bad.

They are basically the same unit as last year. Who did we lose? Wilson? Tonah? That isn't changing much imo.

So that leaves Sorenson in a starting safety role and physically declining and moving CJ to the outside. Spags must have implemented something new that the defense is too confused because they are always lost constantly you can tell pre snap. All this could be fixed, at least partially or improved.

Still you would think the regression would not be 8 yards per play avg bad. Like historically bad.

Will they put CJ inside and give Thornhill majority snaps? That is the big question, I am not optimistic about that. Spags better figure it out quick because although there is still a lot of season left, but we can't really lose many more games at this point.

The offense minus the TO's are still really good and should be better with the Gordon addition and also I Think with CEH out it will be better not worse. There is still hope to turn it around.

This defense is the same as last season. We haven't played a good game of defense since the Jets game. Now, we have come up with some clutch stops on occasion or some key turnovers but consistently our defense has sucked since the Jets game.

The problem with "just get me 2 stops a game" defense is that it requires our offense to score a TD every possession. That's not realistic despite the talent we have on offense.

This defense has to get to the point to getting at least 2-3 stops a half on a fairly consistent basis. They don't have to be dominating types of stops either. Force a punt or at times a FG. But you can't do it while allowing the other team to run off 6 or7 minutes of clock every time. Or let another team go 75 yards in 3 plays.

We cannot continue to live with 2nd and 2 or 3rd and 2. The defense has to start playing on the other side of the line at least some of the time. Right now we play on the other side of the line maybe 3 plays a game.

This defense is just completely ****ed.

What a load of horseshit. Did you miss the playoffs?

We can disagree. I don't think the defense has played worth a shit since we won the Super Bowl. Few plays here and there, sure. Have they been a good defense since the Super Bowl? No.

We had a good games against Houston and Baltimore last season but overall we regressed and that regression has continued.

But Sorenson will save us all......

We beat the Bills in the AFCCG.. It was good enough.. Just now Jones is hurt and out of position, a stubborn a coach playing a guy who isn’t a every down player.. Plus a schedule with final four playoff teams..

I agree the Jones experiment has failed but I was not for re-signing him to begin with due to his lack of run defense. Wasn't keen on paying that kind $ to a pass rusher inside.

I don't care about our schedule. We have to play these kinds of teams and win if we want to be in the show.

I remember a certain person on here for years always talking about our record vs. teams that were > .500.

There will always be someone hurt and we don't play enough "suck teams" to offset the good teams.

This defense is horribly bad and has been and I lay it at the feet of Spags. FTR, I have tried to support Spags but this kind of failure starts with him.

Pete’s like “wait, we were in the playoffs? I could have sworn we weren’t sniffing the playoffs…”

Total FAIL on all 3 levels.
DL, LB and Secondary. IMO.Far too much to fix.

You are brain dead.

The Chiefs were 10th in points allowed last season.

They held the Falcons to 14 points in Week 16.

They held the Browns to 17 in the playoffs.

They were up 38-15 in the AFCCG until Buffalo put up garbage time points.

Get a clue.

It's not too much to fix. Unless by "fix" you mean transformation to elite.

They can absolutely get back to roughly where they were last season. It starts with limiting Sorenson and Niemann's snaps, more snaps for Gay, getting all the key players back, possibly moving Jones back to DT, and being more aggressive (like the 2nd half vs the Bills).

It is bad.

The obvious step in tbe right direction is getting Jones back to DT, and back to where he earned that contract.

Frank Clark dressing for games cant hurt.

Bench Sorenson, like yesterday. I dont care who you have step in, they simply cannot be worse than Sorenson is right now.

Gay staying healthy keeps Niemann of the field.

Those are just simple roster moves.

The real task for Steve is getting these guys into some sets where they can play ball instead of guessing at what they are supposed to be doing.

Its game 5 and you still have guys having no idea what to do. That's on Steve.

Maximize the talent you have. What can they do best? Where do they play best?

Its not too late to make a run if the defense can simply rise to mediocre over horrificly bad.

Whatever changes to the scheme Steve has made need to go. The only people hes confusing withot are his own players.

Massive emphasis on teaching tackling. Because these guys cannot tackle for shit.

With Mahomes anything Is possible.Just get to mediocre.

Another issue with the defense is the offense turning the ball over. Most of those turnovers were going to be scores, just like the last few years. But now that we’re turning the ball over more, and not scoring it allows the opponent to not be as stressed about keeping up with us which can usually take most teams out of their game plans.

Chiefs aren't getting a pass rush and aren't causing any turnovers. That is the biggest problem with the defense.

Or tackling
Or covering

That video in the Clark thread just looks like a bunch of guys standing around expecting someone else to make a play. After this season we really need to blow the defense up and get a bunch of young hungry players in there.

Or stopping them from scoring

I'd get rid of Hitchens, Clark, Sorensen and Nieman.

Replace them with solid starters and things start to look a lot better.

I still really like our corner group and DTs. DE, LB and one S position have to be addressed.

It makes no sense why Spags didn’t blitz Josh Allen from the start of the game.

They did that with great success throughout the AFC Championship Game and it exposed Josh Allen’s accuracy issues.

One thing about our plan, on both offense and defense, failing so ****ing horrifically in the last game...

If we go to Buffalo in the postseason, they will not be prepared for whatever we roll out.

Britt Reid was the brains behind the defense evidently.

Chiefs Fail Thread #2,483 since Sunday night. :banghead:

COMPLETE FAILURE! This team is killing me, how in the ever loving HELL can you go to 3 consecutive AFC Championship games, have a LEAGUE MVP, a SB MVP to BACK to BACK Super Bowls and this disarray with turn overs the entire first 5 games? Please explain this to me? The Chiefs get cover 2 defenses thrown at them yet, they have no answer? How is this even possible? We are facing the same D formation week to week yet there is no answer. Mahomes "MAGIC" seems to have come and gone in 3 years! UUGGHHH!

I'm sure the Bills were aware of this just like you are. They would have been prepared for the blitzes which is why Spags probably didn't do it.

Complete Defensive failure
 

I wonder if that's the reason Spag’s defenses regress after a year or two. Is it because he introduces more and more complicated concepts that confuse everyone (or at least make them think a tad too much) as time goes on?

Things would look much different without all the turnovers on offense. Correct me if I'm wrong but 2019 our SB win year, our defense sucked balls through game 8 and then they put it all together and had the #1 defense the second half of the season thru the SB.

I don't think it would look different at all wout TOs.. This D is simply bad

I'll give you my conspiracy take...and really it's just a pragmatic observation based on ratings/parity. It's the 2021 season narrative building...

I said before the season started that KC's first 5 games were a head scratcher. It made no scheduling sense from a marketing perspective. That these games would have more meaning later in the season. If KC were to go 5-0, they would have essentially wiped out any drama for the next 4 months.

They would have tie-breakers over every top AFC team. KC going 14-1 and resting their starters, last year, is bad for business...especially since there is only one bye. This is now a 17 game season...

Their first 5 games were twice the toughest slate compared to the next closest team...TWICE. Two times as hard as the #2 toughest starting schedule...does this seem disproportionate?

For that extra 17th game, Chiefs get to play the Packers...one of the 4 best NFL teams from last year.

There have been 3 crucial calls that have shifted the outcomes of the 3 losses. The 4th and 9 against LA really stands out.

I think this "worst defense in history" start is scripted...and Spags is playing ball. It's a "top-down" decision...and he's doing what he's told. This team has never looked THIS disorganized...they've been to 3 consecutive AFCCGs. They didn't lose any consequential players on defense and it the same scheme.

This same defense held the 5-0 Arizona starters to 5 consecutive 3 and outs in the preseason. There were no signs of a complete schematic melt-down prior to game one.

I'm keeping an eye on if this defense "magically" turns it around in the next few weeks..

The season beginning is a NFL dream start...every AFC team has a shot/hope now the Chiefs are bottom-feeders.

It's all making out for a 'Dramatic Race" to end the season...no resting your starters this year.

I think the NFL has officially gone into shameless WWF mode...

It’s correctable, though.
First off, gotta find a way to motivate Tyrann. He’s the leader of a currently leaderless defense.
Get Ward back at CB.
Get Wharton on the field more than Reed.
Get Thornhills speed on the field on the back end
Get Gays speed and playmaking ability on the field in the middle of the defense.
Let Jones hand heal and let him grow as a DE. He may not be effective till December.

As long as the defense improves in these ways and the offense stops handing the ball to other teams on what used to be seen as fluke plays, but are starting to become normal…this team will resume dominating.

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absolutely disgraceful of hitchens!

"think this "worst defense in history" start is scripted...and soon to move on HC Spags is playing ball. It's a "top-down" decision...and he's doing what he's told. This team has never looked THIS disorganized...they've been to 3 consecutive AFCCGs. They didn't lose any consequential players on defense and it the same scheme."

"I don't know really who to blame" is the standout comment from Simms. That is everything - terrible coaching, and a woeful lack of talent and commitment from players. There is no way this defence gets back to good enough this year. You have to think it can and will improve, a lot, but the whole package isn't going to work. We need better players and better coaching - maybe that can partly come with personnel decisions and from this coaching group, but I'm less and less convinced it's enough.

That other guy says "wow..that's weird"...no...it's really not.

Just kind of verified what I just posted...get back to me in 5 weeks.

Don't be dissing Damien Wilson like that. He was always making key tackles. Now they have a bunch Ole tacklers

Yes. This is what has happened. Now we witness our dramatic rise.

Hitchens, to me, is arguably the worst player on the field after Sorensen in terms of taking himself out of plays that ends up costing the team. His downhill run fill is atrocious. His pass coverage is worse. I ****ing despise Hitchens being on this team and have for a while.

This should be required to be watched by everyone on here.