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ChiefsCountry 10-25-2021 03:19 PM

Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction
 
Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction, who's to blame and what's next
Bill Barnwell - ESPN
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/sto...ion-blame-next

A wildly frustrating start to the Kansas City Chiefs' 2021 season turned ugly on Sunday. The defending AFC champs were outscored 27-0 in the first half by the Tennessee Titans. Mike Vrabel's team took its foot off the gas and didn't score in the second half, but the Chiefs could muster only a lone field goal in what was the worst offensive performance of the Patrick Mahomes era. If that wasn't bad enough, Mahomes was injured in the fourth quarter and had to leave the game. The only good news from the defeat is that Mahomes passed the concussion protocol.

At 3-4, the Chiefs have as many losses through seven weeks as they've had through any full season since Mahomes took over as their starter in 2018. With losses to the Bills, Chargers, Ravens and Titans, they have lost tiebreakers to many of the teams they would expect to compete against in the postseason. They're a tiebreaker away from last place in the AFC West, a division they were overwhelmingly expected to win for the sixth consecutive season. If this were a video game, the Chiefs would frantically be pressing the reset button.

Let's take a closer look at the Chiefs, and I'll do my best to break down what is factual and fictional about this start to the season. I'll begin with one of the biggest reasons they were manhandled in Week 7:

Fact: The Chiefs are turning the ball over way too often
Spoiler!


Fiction: The offense is a problem
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Fact: Teams are playing two-high coverages against the Chiefs far more frequently
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Fact: The Chiefs haven't been as explosive as in years past
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Fiction: The Chiefs fixed their offensive line over the offseason
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Fact: The defense has been a major, major problem
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Fiction: The defense is not one player or one change away
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Fact: Years of questionable drafts have left the Chiefs without great depth
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Fiction: The Chiefs' Super Bowl hopes are out the window
Spoiler!

notorious 10-25-2021 03:28 PM

Not panicking about Mahomes.

I am concerned about the talent level of the team.

comochiefsfan 10-25-2021 03:31 PM

Fact: Brett Veach is a moron

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for Patrick Mahomes

Fact: John Dorsey would be an immediate upgrade over Brett Veach

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for us winning the Super Bowl

Fact: John Dorsey is more responsible for the Super Bowl victory than Brett Veach

Fiction: This team will win another Super Bowl with Brett Veach as GM

Hammock Parties 10-25-2021 03:33 PM

I'll panic if we don't make the playoffs.

notorious 10-25-2021 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914124)
Fact: Brett Veach is a moron

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for Patrick Mahomes

Fact: John Dorsey would be an immediate upgrade over Brett Veach

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for us winning the Super Bowl

Fact: John Dorsey is more responsible for the Super Bowl victory than Brett Veach

Fiction: This team will win another Super Bowl with Brett Veach as GM

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Shields68 10-25-2021 03:33 PM

To me the problems summed up

1) The offensive line is worse then when Schwartz Fischer were healthy in 2019 and 2020. Not sure why one would look at the make shift 3rd string line that played the super bowl and say we improved upon that line.

Teams are getting way too consistent pressure for only rushing 4.

2) The defense has been pathetic.

3) The schedule has been brutal.

4) Forcing throws too much.

Still think we can get to 10/11 wins playoffs and if the dee comes around some who knows. But clearly going to be a underdog in 2-3 playoff games if we do make the playoffs.

siberian khatru 10-25-2021 03:39 PM

This is great. It consolidates several thread discussions into one. Thanks for posting!

JakeF 10-25-2021 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15914129)
I'll panic if we don't make the playoffs.

By then, it will all be too late.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-25-2021 03:43 PM

FACT: Patrick Mahomes failed to throw a TD pass yesterday and is still #3 in TD passes in 2021 and on pace for 48

mr. tegu 10-25-2021 03:48 PM

Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction
 
“What is true, though, is that the Chiefs haven't turned many of their short plays into bigger gains. They used to be the kings of YAC, and they haven't been in 2021. From 2018 to '20, they averaged 6.2 yards after catch, which was the second-best mark in football. They're down to 5.3 YAC this season, which ranks 19th. Part of that relates to the passes they are throwing. The average Mahomes pass before 2021 expected to generate 5.4 YAC; this season, that's down to 4.7 YAC. Hill has been far more inconsistent with the ball in his hands; he has exceeded his expected YAC just 38.8% of the time, down from nearly 53% over the prior three seasons.

Those moments in which Mahomes seems to bend time before finding an open receiver have also fizzled out. From 2018 to '20, he averaged 7.9 yards per attempt and posted a 87.1 QBR when he held the ball for at least five seconds before throwing. On those same passes this season, he's 5 of 16 for 83 yards and two picks, good for just 5.2 yards per attempt and a QBR of 2.4.

And whether it has been Mahomes itching to make plays, the deep coverage looks, randomness or some combination of the three, the Chiefs haven't been anywhere near as effective when he does get time to throw. When he wasn't pressured over the first three years of his run, they averaged 8.9 yards per dropback, which was fourth-best in the league. This season, the seeming inevitability of a receiver getting open hasn't been an inevitability at all; they're down to 7.7 yards per dropback, which ranks 22nd in the league without pressure.”

These three paragraphs highlight to me that Mahomes is just not seeing the field well, scanning the receivers, or anticipating throws like we are used to seeing.

Kman34 10-25-2021 03:52 PM

Yay… Another what’s wrong with Mahomes thread…

mr. tegu 10-25-2021 03:54 PM

It is insane how unlucky we have been on turnovers, fumbles especially. 33% recovery rate wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t have 12 fumbles on the season. We are also only recovering 28% of fumbles on defense. So bad luck there too.

Valiant 10-25-2021 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 15914131)
To me the problems summed up

1) The offensive line is worse then when Schwartz Fischer were healthy in 2019 and 2020. Not sure why one would look at the make shift 3rd string line that played the super bowl and say we improved upon that line.

Teams are getting way too consistent pressure for only rushing 4.

2) The defense has been pathetic.

3) The schedule has been brutal.

4) Forcing throws too much.

Still think we can get to 10/11 wins playoffs and if the dee comes around some who knows. But clearly going to be a underdog in 2-3 playoff games if we do make the playoffs.

That is because out front four suck and the online does not get proper practice against NFL defensive players.

The fact they handly get beat each week by a four man shows that.

Then on the flip, we get decimated by backup o lineman. Even while blitzing.

FloridaMan88 10-25-2021 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15914175)
It is insane how unlucky we have been on turnovers, fumbles especially. 33% recovery rate wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t have 12 fumbles on the season. We are also only recovering 28% of fumbles on defense. So bad luck there too.

This is likely going to be the biggest area of improvement as the season progresses.

It is hard to believe that the Chiefs are going to keep turning the ball over at this rate... it's almost a statistical impossibility.

mr. tegu 10-25-2021 03:58 PM

I wonder on what basis has Matthieu not struggled as he says. I am fairly certain he is mostly invisible.

Valiant 10-25-2021 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15914162)
“What is true, though, is that the Chiefs haven't turned many of their short plays into bigger gains. They used to be the kings of YAC, and they haven't been in 2021. From 2018 to '20, they averaged 6.2 yards after catch, which was the second-best mark in football. They're down to 5.3 YAC this season, which ranks 19th. Part of that relates to the passes they are throwing. The average Mahomes pass before 2021 expected to generate 5.4 YAC; this season, that's down to 4.7 YAC. Hill has been far more inconsistent with the ball in his hands; he has exceeded his expected YAC just 38.8% of the time, down from nearly 53% over the prior three seasons.

Those moments in which Mahomes seems to bend time before finding an open receiver have also fizzled out. From 2018 to '20, he averaged 7.9 yards per attempt and posted a 87.1 QBR when he held the ball for at least five seconds before throwing. On those same passes this season, he's 5 of 16 for 83 yards and two picks, good for just 5.2 yards per attempt and a QBR of 2.4.

And whether it has been Mahomes itching to make plays, the deep coverage looks, randomness or some combination of the three, the Chiefs haven't been anywhere near as effective when he does get time to throw. When he wasn't pressured over the first three years of his run, they averaged 8.9 yards per dropback, which was fourth-best in the league. This season, the seeming inevitability of a receiver getting open hasn't been an inevitability at all; they're down to 7.7 yards per dropback, which ranks 22nd in the league without pressure.”

These three paragraphs highlight to me that Mahomes is just not seeing the field well, scanning the receivers, or anticipating throws like we are used to seeing.

That is play calling. We have not adjusted to the two safety scheme. We did a few drives but since we are undisciplined we get penalties or a turnover to stall the drives.

This team on offense could march if we just threw short.

Patrick also needs to work on his touch for shorter throws. Too many are rockets or hit the ground when they can just be lobbed.
Also more halfback passes.

DaFace 10-25-2021 04:00 PM

Pretty good summary, IMO. The reality is that the NFL is structured to punish the best teams in the name of parity. The teams who manage to stay competitive despite that are few and far between. You pretty much have to be ruthless in letting good, but expensive players go, and you have to draft very well. We're starting to look a bit shaky on both of those.

InChiefsHeaven 10-25-2021 04:00 PM

I keep waiting for the defense to get better, and for some reason I think they will, but it may be too little too late. I dunno, this season just feels wrong, and has from the get go. We're no longer the team to fear, just the team that can kill you at any moment but for some reason won't. I don't think the good teams fear the Chiefs at all. Add to that the fact that all the teams that beat us were chomping for some revenge, while the Chiefs just don't seem to have that same fire, and you're gonna lose some games.

They CAN fix this. Will they? We'll see. But right now, I'm setting myself up for missing the playoffs. That way if we go, I'll be surprised and happy. If we don't, well the pressure is off for this year. That's one way to look at it I guess.

Valiant 10-25-2021 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15914185)
I wonder on what basis has Matthieu not struggled as he says. I am fairly certain he is mostly invisible.

Outside of the first half of the first game he has been Sorenson bad. He also has been shy to lay the wood a lot of times. He is either hurt or thinking he will save his body to get paid on another team.

Hopefully it is not here. We have already overspent of defensive players not contributing.

BryanBusby 10-25-2021 04:05 PM

Everything on Defense starts to click when they find a real pulse at the pass-rush. Right now they just totally ****ing suck at it.

Valiant 10-25-2021 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 15914189)
I keep waiting for the defense to get better, and for some reason I think they will, but it may be too little too late. I dunno, this season just feels wrong, and has from the get go. We're no longer the team to fear, just the team that can kill you at any moment but for some reason won't. I don't think the good teams fear the Chiefs at all. Add to that the fact that all the teams that beat us were chomping for some revenge, while the Chiefs just don't seem to have that same fire, and you're gonna lose some games.

They CAN fix this. Will they? We'll see. But right now, I'm setting myself up for missing the playoffs. That way if we go, I'll be surprised and happy. If we don't, well the pressure is off for this year. That's one way to look at it I guess.

This is where I blame Andy and the coaches.

We are soft, slow and undisciplined.

Before Patrick and the offense would get us out of tight games. The Superbowl exposed a weakness that we haven't addressed still. We don't adapt.

Our schedule before hand had us playing the toughest schedule in the AFC. We get every teams best effort, but yet we don't give ours.

The offensive players are playing like they have to score every play. Doing so is causing mistakes and turnovers to further make this team suck. I feel for Pat, he says the right things but keeps doing the same shit. Hopefully it is not him wanting this shit play calling scheme against the high safeties.

Our oline can't block long enough for those plays right now.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-25-2021 04:11 PM

2019 we were 6-4 at one point and won the SB

KChiefs1 10-25-2021 04:13 PM

Bart Scott on the Chiefs:

https://www.sportscasting.com/espn-b...roster-shreds/


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Hammock Parties 10-25-2021 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15914213)
2019 we were 6-4 at one point and won the SB

How quickly they forget.

Andy is a second-half coach. Both in-game and in-season.

mr. tegu 10-25-2021 04:14 PM

Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction
 
Those first and second round draft results all rolled into a few sentences are terrible to read all at once. Almost nothing of value in them, whether it’s players drafted or traded for with those picks.

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2021 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15914213)
2019 we were 6-4 at one point and won the SB

Ideally we pull a rabbit out of a hat. But wouldn't mind taking an L on this season. We need to clean up the defensive locker room and get Reid sparked again. And I don't see that happening this year. I don't know if I'm feeling it's worth desperation moves to salvage a season we may just want to spend instead on a rebuild. Get some young guys time, play around the waiver wire for cheap undrafted guys, etc...

Coochie liquor 10-25-2021 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15914213)
2019 we were 6-4 at one point and won the SB

Yep, our 4th loss was tithe Tits. Didn’t lose another after that. That said, lots of differences between that team and this one.

Red Dawg 10-25-2021 04:46 PM

In other words Veach has been doing a shit job and Andy doesn't know how to prepare a team to come out ready. Team comes out flat. We have seen that over and over again.

notorious 10-25-2021 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15914227)
Ideally we pull a rabbit out of a hat. But wouldn't mind taking an L on this season. We need to clean up the defensive locker room and get Reid sparked again. And I don't see that happening this year. I don't know if I'm feeling it's worth desperation moves to salvage a season we may just want to spend instead on a rebuild. Get some young guys time, play around the waiver wire for cheap undrafted guys, etc...

You can do all of this while winning.

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2021 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15914279)
You can do all of this while winning.

Sure, but Clark and Mathieus locker room issues won't just go away. I don't know if Reid will snap out of this until he gets closure on Britt. We should try to keep winning but I just think there are locker room issues that can be easily fixed but realistically not this year.

notorious 10-25-2021 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15914284)
Sure, but Clark and Mathieus locker room issues won't just go away. I don't know if Reid will snap out of this until he gets closure on Britt. We should try to keep winning but I just think there are locker room issues that can be easily fixed but realistically not this year.

With proper leadership it's absolutely doable.

Foot needs to be applied to ass. We'll see if our leadership has the balls to make hard calls. They haven't really so far.

007 10-25-2021 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15914129)
I'll panic if we don't make the playoffs.


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chiefzilla1501 10-25-2021 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 15914277)
In other words Veach has been doing a shit job and Andy doesn't know how to prepare a team to come out ready. Team comes out flat. We have seen that over and over again.

Of maybe all the stars aligned in the wrong direction and we are having an off year. I get that Reid isn't a perfect coach. But cmon, we all know this is very very uncharacteristic of an Andy Reid team. Just because he's a nice guy doesn't mean his team is unprepared. He has a stellar record in September, after bye weeks, in the final weeks of the season. That's a testament to how damn good Reid is at preparing his team. We haven't seen this over and over again. This is very unusual for Reid.

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2021 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15914286)
With proper leadership it's absolutely doable.

Foot needs to be applied to ass. We'll see if our leadership has the balls to make hard calls. They haven't really so far.

But that starts with Andy Reid and most people wonder if he's really himself these days. Mathieu is a key voice in the locker room and I doubt he changes his attitude unless he gets a new contract. And as long as the defense keeps doing this, you're asking a lot of the offense to overcome all this.

The best hope is that spags pulls his head out of his ass or he gets replaced. Because the other piece is the defense looks like they have no faith in the scheme. I just feel like those locker room issues above are tough to overcome.

notorious 10-25-2021 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15914302)
But that starts with Andy Reid and most people wonder if he's really himself these days. Mathieu is a key voice in the locker room and I doubt he changes his attitude unless he gets a new contract. And as long as the defense keeps doing this, you're asking a lot of the offense to overcome all this.

The best hope is that spags pulls his head out of his ass or he gets replaced. Because the other piece is the defense looks like they have no faith in the scheme. I just feel like those locker room issues above are tough to overcome.

It's going to take a change with the guys already there. We know nobody is getting cut or fired (even though that's what the Pats would do and was a big reason they lasted so long).

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2021 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15914307)
It's going to take a change with the guys already there. We know nobody is getting cut or fired (even though that's what the Pats would do and was a big reason they lasted so long).

Hope so. The good news is there's lots of room for optimism that the locker room culture improves dramatically next year. Clark is as good as gone. Mathieu is either gone or content with a new contract. Hopefully closure over Britt Reid happens quickly much as Andy I'm sure wants to put this off.

It's either one of those magical turnaround seasons where we climb from adversity. We've seen it before. Bradys done it twice after the Chiefs humiliated him in NE and Tampa. It just feels like the Murphys law season we just need to get over. Maybe just get all this bad juju out of our system.

Danguardace 10-25-2021 05:18 PM

We won a superbowl 2 years ago if we suck this year WGAF! This team not even close to being the most sorry Chiefs i have seen.

crayzkirk 10-25-2021 05:18 PM

Fact: If the Chiefs can develop a credible run game, things will open back up.

Dayze 10-25-2021 05:21 PM

of the list of problems...Patrick is the least of my worries. Not concerned at all because he probably wouldn't be pressing as much if literally every other phase/group on the team would pull their weight at an average performance level.

media just stirring up shit like they always do.

I'd be more concerned (if I were a media slob writing a piece) about Hughes and Reed standing by watching Henry run by them; and Jones for that matter.
That doesn't speak to lack of talent....that speaks to lack of effort and 'want to'.

that shit spreads like a disease on a team.

ToxSocks 10-25-2021 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 15914317)
Fact: If the Chiefs can develop a credible run game, things will open back up.

The Chiefs aren't going to keep running the ball if they go down 3 scores. Which is what happened yesterday.

Everyone thinking there's this one-thing the Chiefs have to do to fix everything is just...not accurate.

They're failing in all phases of the game at different times of the game. Right now, they have nothing that works consistently every single week.

notorious 10-25-2021 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 15914317)
Fact: If the Chiefs can develop a credible run game, things will open back up.

I think it's tied to the quick, short passing game.

I don't want to suck off Brady too much, but the short game is a huge reason they guy is still producing at a high level.

Brody Wa 10-25-2021 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914124)
Fact: Brett Veach is a moron

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for Patrick Mahomes

Fact: John Dorsey would be an immediate upgrade over Brett Veach

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for us winning the Super Bowl

Fact: John Dorsey is more responsible for the Super Bowl victory than Brett Veach

Fiction: This team will win another Super Bowl with Brett Veach as GM

Fact: We wouldn’t have a SB without Brett Veach
Fact: We wouldn’t have Patrick Mahomes without Brett Veach
Fact: You’re talking out of the side of your ass

comochiefsfan 10-25-2021 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brody Wa (Post 15914332)
Fact: We wouldn’t have a SB without Brett Veach
Fact: We wouldn’t have Patrick Mahomes without Brett Veac
Fact: You’re talking out of the side of your ass

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Please tell me you don't believe this nonsense.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2021 05:34 PM

If we lose to NYG...Yes

notorious 10-25-2021 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 15914340)
If we lose to NYG...Yes

When we lost to them in 17' I mentally checked out.

It was a full wind-up kick to the balls.

comochiefsfan 10-25-2021 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15914345)
When we lost to them in 17' I mentally checked out.

It was a full wind-up kick to the balls.

Yeah that was it for me too.

Either that or the jets game where we lost like 40-35 and Peters chucked his cleat into the stands.

Then we went on that little winning streak at the end of the year and I regained hope just enough to be suckered into buying tickets for the Wild Card game, where I got the swift kick in the balls I deserved for having faith.

notorious 10-25-2021 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914349)
Yeah that was it for me too.

Either that or the jets game where we lost like 40-35 and Peters chucked his cleat into the stands.

Then we went on that little winning streak at the end of the year and I regained hope just enough to be suckered into buying tickets for the Wild Card game, where I got the swift kick in the balls I deserved for having faith.

That Titans game....

https://c.tenor.com/3Q3clxU3SwIAAAAC/balls-kicked.gif

Why Not? 10-25-2021 05:42 PM

Veach will get (deservedly so) at least a couple more drafts, but this season has brought to light that this roster has zero depth and isn't that good anyway (save for the usual suspects). This season should serve as a wake up call. No more missing on high draft picks.

The OP article seems pretty accurate to me, including the last segment. If this team can get in the playoffs, anything is possible. But they've made it a tough row to hoe, no doubt.

Chris Meck 10-25-2021 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 15914355)
Veach will get (deservedly so) at least a couple more drafts, but this season has brought to light that this roster has zero depth and isn't that good anyway (save for the usual suspects). This season should serve as a wake up call. No more missing on high draft picks.

The OP article seems pretty accurate to me, including the last segment. If this team can get in the playoffs, anything is possible. But they've made it a tough row to hoe, no doubt.

I think it's clear that the stars n scrubs plan isn't working.

I like how aggressive Veach has been; but there have been a lot of misses. I'm not running him out of town yet, that would be dumb.

But we're going to need to change the plan going forward. You can get two good DE's (not great, but solid) for what we're paying Clark. A good safety and a good LB for what HB wants to get paid. Reed isn't even as good as Nnadi that's a complete waste of money. We're going to need to do like Belichick used to; mid-priced vets and over the hill guys with a little left in the tank to build a deep defense without any glaring holes. Just be solid everywhere. Draft well, and just be steady on defense.

Dayze 10-25-2021 05:54 PM

Veatch and the talent evaluators are more of a concern of mine that Patrick.

how many players were drafted in spots that are typically reserved for starters and/or contributors to an offense/defense have we whiffed on. Or made us fans scratch their heads.

One thing I know, for me personally, I'm 'done' with trading away picks; particularly 1sts.

493rd 10-25-2021 06:02 PM

Sorry, but we’re not making the playoffs with this defense. Like Barnwell said - it does nothing well. Best case scenario is we start getting pressure up front which leads to some turnovers, and the offense gets back to its normal self. Through 7 games it doesn’t seem likely.

Molitoth 10-25-2021 06:12 PM

2 Things:

1) This article is spot on.
2) Like normal, Como is a reerun.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2021 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15914345)
When we lost to them in 17' I mentally checked out.

It was a full wind-up kick to the balls.

Creature returns if we lose to these turds

mr. tegu 10-25-2021 06:14 PM

Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction
 
We are still making the playoffs. Who are the seven teams that will finish above?

The only one I’m certain at this point is the Bills due to their schedule.

So six others to consider.

Titans? Probably.
Bengals? Good chance.
Ravens, Chargers, Raiders? Not buying all three, maybe two, possibly one.
Then you’ve got Browns? No.
Colts, Steelers, Patriots? Colts are the only potential one there.

So by my guess I only see four at most that would say odds are better than not they finish better. And really that’s probably your division winners so then you just need a team or two with four or five wins already to fall off to feel really good even dropping a few more games.

Molitoth 10-25-2021 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 15914371)
One thing I know, for me personally, I'm 'done' with trading away picks; particularly 1sts.

Most draft picks are a gamble because they haven't proven themselves at the NFL level. Sometimes trading that gamble away for a proven player can pay off.

Unfortunately it can also bring you players who are just looking for a payday, and don't have the passion to be great.

Veach has found those guys....

Brody Wa 10-25-2021 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914335)
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Please tell me you don't believe this nonsense.

We have Sb with him. We didn’t win anything with Dorsey. Please tell me who discovered Mahomes if it wasn’t Veach.

notorious 10-25-2021 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 15914400)
Creature returns if we lose to these turds

Less than 1% of CP know what you’re talking about. LMAO

Is Clay up for it?

ChiefsCountry 10-25-2021 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 15914398)
2 Things:

1) This article is spot on.
2) Like normal, Como is a reerun.

como is the John Dorsey dick sucker like Tigger and Mav sucked Alex Smith off.

Hammock Parties 10-25-2021 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15914407)
Less than 1% of CP know what you’re talking about. LMAO

Is Clay up for it?

https://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-con...017/04/fly.gif

rabblerouser 10-25-2021 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 15914187)
That is play calling. We have not adjusted to the two safety scheme. We did a few drives but since we are undisciplined we get penalties or a turnover to stall the drives.

This team on offense could march if we just threw short.

Patrick also needs to work on his touch for shorter throws. Too many are rockets or hit the ground when they can just be lobbed.
Also more halfback passes.

Correct - he needs to work the intermediate and short areas of the field; slants, crosses, flares, drags, screens, etc. Shorter drops, get the ball out quick and accurately. Reid is a Holmgren disciple, and was there when Brett Favre was a young wild buck. "No more rocket balls, please." they need to work the open areas of the field, take what the defense gives with that constant 2 deep shell. you'd think AR and EB would have realized that...

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-25-2021 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15914270)
Yep, our 4th loss was tithe Tits. Didn’t lose another after that. That said, lots of differences between that team and this one.


If you guys will remember back. 2019 our defense absolutely sucked games 1-8. After that it was the best in the NFL. Can that happen again. I dunno.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-25-2021 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914335)
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Please tell me you don't believe this nonsense.

Andy Reid said it himself Veach kept telling him he needs to watch this kid from Tech. So yeah, Veach brought us mahomes. Dorsey was in charge to make the final.

Why Not? 10-25-2021 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15914358)
I think it's clear that the stars n scrubs plan isn't working.

I like how aggressive Veach has been; but there have been a lot of misses. I'm not running him out of town yet, that would be dumb.

But we're going to need to change the plan going forward. You can get two good DE's (not great, but solid) for what we're paying Clark. A good safety and a good LB for what HB wants to get paid. Reed isn't even as good as Nnadi that's a complete waste of money. We're going to need to do like Belichick used to; mid-priced vets and over the hill guys with a little left in the tank to build a deep defense without any glaring holes. Just be solid everywhere. Draft well, and just be steady on defense.

Agreed

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-25-2021 06:28 PM

I remember before the season started how this was the most talented roster EVER and we were having to cut starters. Now we suck! LOL

rabblerouser 10-25-2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15914433)
I remember before the season started how this was the most talented roster EVER and we were having to cut starters. Now we suck! LOL

I remember mother****ers talking about 17-0.

rabblerouser 10-25-2021 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914349)
Yeah that was it for me too.

Either that or the jets game where we lost like 40-35 and Peters chucked his cleat into the stands.

Then we went on that little winning streak at the end of the year and I regained hope just enough to be suckered into buying tickets for the Wild Card game, where I got the swift kick in the balls I deserved for having faith.

"FORWARD PROGRESS"

comochiefsfan 10-25-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brody Wa (Post 15914405)
We have Sb with him. We didn’t win anything with Dorsey. Please tell me who discovered Mahomes if it wasn’t Veach.

Nobody "discovered" Mahomes. JFC.

First round quarterbacks aren't "discovered". They're known commodities that every team in the league does some level of diligence on.

And we won the Super Bowl on the back of Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and Chris Jones.

Players who John Dorsey is responsible for. But keep giving Veach credit for winning with Dorsey's players.

comochiefsfan 10-25-2021 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914470)
Nobody "discovered" Mahomes. JFC.

First round quarterbacks aren't "discovered". They're known commodities that every team in the league does some level of diligence on.

And we won the Super Bowl on the back of Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and Chris Jones.

Players who John Dorsey is responsible for. But keep giving Veach credit for winning with Dorsey's players.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15914412)
como is the John Dorsey dick sucker like Tigger and Mav sucked Alex Smith off.

You're damn right I'm sucking off the guy who drafted our Super Bowl winning core.

Honestly it's astounding that more people aren't sucking him off.

I guess people just want to believe the company line that Hunt and Reid kept feeding us. Which is that Dorsey sucked because he didn't kiss Andy and Clark's rings. We had the GM the Coach and the QB and thanks to Reid and Hunt We don't have the GM anymore.

We have an incompetent yes man stooge.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-25-2021 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15914433)
I remember before the season started how this was the most talented roster EVER and we were having to cut starters. Now we suck! LOL

That's what is goofy about this.

I get it. They sucked yesterday and the defense has sucked overall. But if you thought the roster was stacked before the year, you shouldn't completely reverse your opinion after 7 games. There's a middle ground.

Personally, I wasn't sold on the defense in the offseason. I was hoping for the best, but it felt like they didn't do enough. However, I still think it will ultimately look better by the end of the year. Just need to be able to scrape out enough wins to get into the postseason.

BossChief 10-25-2021 07:00 PM

We are probably the most studied team currently in the league. Everybody has been trying to find ways to beat us since Pat got here. They designed rosters and game plans specifically to attack us and it’s worked. There had been hints that trouble was brewing, but that SB was confirmation that teams had caught up.

This offseason gave us hope that we had developed a counter punch. A powerful and young offensive line to protect Pat and open holes for Clyde. The part that hurts is that it seems we really didn’t. We made huge investments in the OL and Pat is the most pressured QB in football. Niang and Brown both look outmatched.

We gave Chris Jones a huge deal. Jaraan Reed got a fully guaranteed deal…neither is a factor in games. Tyrann has been good, but somethings missing with him. Hitchens is a no show. Sorensen hit a wall. Frank Clark isn’t even a JAG…he sucks.

This team needs to purge itself of a few of those guys and find a way to reallocate those resources more effectively. Otherwise, I’m glad I really enjoyed our Super Bowl win…

Hammock Parties 10-25-2021 07:28 PM

The Chiefs just need to find a pass rush. The run defense has been shored up.

If the Chiefs find the right mix of blitzes and soft coverage, and get some stops, and the offense gets back to the form shown in Philly and Washington, we will be fine.

Pass rush is No. 1 issue. We were getting TEN in third and long and couldn't get off the field.

R8RFAN 10-25-2021 07:30 PM

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Chieftain 10-25-2021 07:36 PM

I'll never panic about Mahomes because he has proven himself and he is entering his prime. To me the biggest obstacle in this team now is Bienemy and Spagnuolo.
Both need to go. Let Kafka manage the offense. Hire a young mind to work in the D. Get rid of all the oldies and underperformers in this team.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-25-2021 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15914402)
We are still making the playoffs. Who are the seven teams that will finish above?

The only one I’m certain at this point is the Bills due to their schedule.

So six others to consider.

Titans? Probably.
Bengals? Good chance.
Ravens, Chargers, Raiders? Not buying all three, maybe two, possibly one.
Then you’ve got Browns? No.
Colts, Steelers, Patriots? Colts are the only potential one there.

So by my guess I only see four at most that would say odds are better than not they finish better. And really that’s probably your division winners so then you just need a team or two with four or five wins already to fall off to feel really good even dropping a few more games.

We're not in as dire of a spot as it seems. Even if both the Raiders and Chargers finish ahead of KC, we'd still just have to finish above the likes of the Colts, Browns, Patriots and Steelers. The Browns are decimated by injuries and have a brutal schedule. I don't see them going anywhere. I think the Colts lose at least 9 given their schedule. The Patriots might actually be the biggest threat. They're quietly becoming a decent team and they have several turds left on the schedule. I still think there's a good chance they'll lose 9 though.

comochiefsfan 10-25-2021 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 15914559)
I'll never panic about Mahomes because he has proven himself and he is entering his prime. To me the biggest obstacle in this team now is Bienemy and Spagnuolo.
Both need to go. Let Kafka manage the offense. Hire a young mind to work in the D. Get rid of all the oldies and underperformers in this team.

Too bad our head coach is also an oldie and will never get rid of his buddies.

BossChief 10-25-2021 07:51 PM

Have they addressed his injury yet? I know he was walking the sidelines, but the hit looked pretty bad. I’m sure they will have follow up testing for Pat that may lead to time missed.

Honestly, they need to protect Pat by designing plays to get the ball out of his hands much quicker if they are going to keep him in and blocked by Brown.

Hammock Parties 10-25-2021 07:51 PM

The one interesting thing about being the 7 seed is we will have intimate knowledge of how to beat the top seeds in the conference (Ravens, Chargers/Raiders, Titans, Bills), and will go in with a gameplan to counter what they did in beating us in the regular season, which they will likely not anticipate.

That could work to our advantage.

For instance, Buffalo will absolutely not be getting two free touchdowns off Danny Soreass ever again.

Chris Meck 10-25-2021 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15914590)
The one interesting thing about being the 7 seed is we will have intimate knowledge of how to beat the top seeds in the conference (Ravens, Chargers/Raiders, Titans, Bills), and will go in with a gameplan to counter what they did in beating us in the regular season, which they will likely not anticipate.

That could work to our advantage.

It's not happening this year guys.

Bus is parked in the barn.

comochiefsfan 10-25-2021 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15914594)
It's not happening this year guys.

Bus is parked in the barn.

I truly admire Clay's ability to look at things from a glass half full perspective.

He's a better fan than me.

Hammock Parties 10-25-2021 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15914596)
I truly admire Clay's ability to look at things from a glass half full perspective.

He's a better fan than me.

I will not count out an Andy Reid team before Week 12.

Andy and Patrick have not given me a reason to. Shit, Andy and ****ing Alex didn't give me a reason to.


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