We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants...
 

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

What are you sniffin' these days?
Is it playoffs?

Debbie Downy tits

We can't run it much more than we ran it tonight.

Gore and Darrel just aren't good enough for that. Barely 4 YPC as it is.

Stop dreaming of a game where our running backs carry it 30+ times. That is bad news if we try that.

Pat missed some pretty pedestrian throws tonight.

The formula will work towards getting the ball downfield. Just have to be patient.

I've never seen anything like all the fluke turnovers this year

The "formula " is a myth

Run the damn ball.

Patience..

not really right now

Oh yes we can. Even great running teams get stuffed on some plays. They just don't abandon the running game when it happens.

Gore tore shit up and never saw the ball again for 2 drives. It doesn't have to be 30+ touches but it has to be more ball control because that is how defenses are playing us.

Plus with as suck as our defense is, it keeps other QBs, like Rodgers, on the bench.

And we are averaging 5 yards per carry which is 4th in the league.

Are they? Volleying the ball in the air and not securing after catches are not flukes. They're just bad plays that show a lack of concentration.

Patients. As in, “We need more patients.”

Like a struggling family practice.

:doh!:

Yes they are flukes. KC LED the NFL in turnover differential for the last SEVEN years

A game of them is a fluke. A season of them is not paying attention to detail.

That is total bullshit. The RBs averaged 4 YPC tonight.

You want to go back to three yards and a cloud of dust? That is what you are asking for if you pound average/below average RBs even more. Their YPC isn't going up.

When they start to even out a bit....Most of them have been complete joked of a fluke

Gore was a badass mother ****er. Loved what I saw from the Gore.

Hate to break it to you but coming into tonight we are 4th in the league in ypc.

If we committed to the running game a little more I think you see that go up with Gore in the mix.

Face it, Smith, Creed and Thuney are wrecking shit on the inside and Brown is a better run blocker than pass blocker.

Trey Smith about killed someone tonight on a block. Our best drive of the night was nothing but handoffs.

Our Oline will get better though, Defensive lines will get tired too

Mahomes will destroy with playaction if we really commit to running the ball. It's not like we don't have enough RBs to do it.

Gore,Williams,McKinnon,CEH, even Bolton can carry it on those quick hit runs

This offense runs through Kelce, Hill and Hardman.

If you starting handing it off 30 times a game you are not doing your job as an offensive coach.

Counting receptions, tonight we gave the ball 30 times to Williams and Gore.

Hill, Kelce and Hardman touched it 21 times.

We are absolutely not cutting into those touches more with more running plays up center's ass to 4 YPC backs.

LMAO

This stat is a lie.

Our RB1 and RB2 average less than four yards per carry combined right now.

The YPC is buoyed by Patrick and WR end arounds.

The answer is straight forward… effectively running the ball (i.e. not running just to get minimal gains) and quick/short passes… but the Chiefs haven’t shown the discipline/patience to execute this.

The offense does not run through ****ing Hardman, you idiot. LMAO

That's the problem, we only have 2 receiver threats.

We need a legit possession receiver to keep the chains moving to give Hill and Kelce more targets.

I don't think we have to hand it off 30 times. But you definitely need a larger play count of runs and throwing to the backs.

30 total touches is not bad when they work. How many deep passes did we hit tonight? How many deep passes did we even come close to hitting?

You guys really want more up the butt runs?

This is the problem with our running game.

We have NO RUNNING BACK on the roster that can get outside.

The defense can completely key in between the tackles on running plays.

That is why our running backs are not as productive as they could be.

If we give them 10 handoffs each a game, that is more than enough. Any more and you are taking the ball out of Kelce, Hill and Hardman's hands.

No. No. No.

The playcalling is fine. We don't want more touches to the slowest, least quick offensive skill position players.

Deal with it.

I don't know WTF happened after the first 4 weeks of the season... it's not like they've been this bad on offense all year or they were airing it out for a month and teams put an abrupt stop to it.

They were turning over the ball a lot and were still putting up 30 points per game.

Exactly. Which is why teams haven't come out of their deep coverages. They know we won't stay with it. Until we do we are going to struggle. We saw all night the safeties for the Giants playing 15 yards off if not more.

He has an absolute shit ton of touches. He is far more explosive with the ball in his hands.

Hardman > Williams, easy.

Williams only gets the yards he does because the defense is so scared of everyone else.

Yeah, let's keep running deep routes into coverages designed to specifically take away deep routes while we let 6 man fronts just sit there......

We won the game tonight because we ran the ball. We would have scored more had we run it more.

Exactly. So if the defense is covering everyone else........:hmmm:

you can only run so many speed sweeps

Gore should soon be our starting running back. His vision will allow our running game to be more consistent. More runs should free up Kelce over the middle. Kelce over the middle should free up Hill more.

It all starts with an effective running game. It has since football began.

Reid called 51 passes numbskull.

You want to feed 4 YPC backs like they are Pro Bowlers. LMAO

He had 19 touches dude. You're not gonna give a guy like DW 25 touches.

The defense backs up, we run the ball.
The defense comes up, we throw the ball.

We should have a run/pass audible at the LOS every play.

Opposing teams want the Chiefs to run the ball more with random scrub RBs and take the ball out of Mahomes' hands. We do need to be throwing more short quick passes and screen plays, though.

The way we played against the Bills in the regular season last year needs to be our new identity. This pass happy stuff that is so inconsistent needs to be erased from Andy's memory. Yes, it use to work. We also use to have Conley and Watkins. Even though they were streaky they were a constant thread. Pringle and Robinson the kind of players you run a spread offense with. Andy must realize that. Not to mention Gordon was a ghost once again.

At 5 yards per carry I will take that deal.

Precisely.

This is why we need a more explosive RB back there.

We get someone with speed it will absolutely kill the Cover 2 look, and we can run outside, too.

Right now pounding it up Creed's ass isn't the answer, but butt****ing morons like Pete think it's 1995 and that will work with a bottom 1/4 of the NFL defense backing us up.

Butt****ing morons.

I don't think Gore is a scrub.

We need to do both, run the ball and throw short passes. That will help build Mahomes' confidence so he can wing it again.

Break out the Alex Smith offense :D

Gore's TD was a walk in TD running it to the outside. Don't know why he didn't get much run tonight when he is clearly the better back.

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DW had 19 touches for 112 all-purpose yards tonight

Gore had 11 carries for 48 yards

That's 160 yards of offense out of your 2 RB's alone.

The thing there is he has the vision to cut it to the outside where CEH would have ran up the backside of the line, imo.

For the 1st time in years i felt like the Chiefs were more exciting running the ball tonight.

Gore was electric. I expect we'll see him worked in more and more as the season goes on. The quicker he can learn the passing game and the blocking the better we'll be.

The fact is, Mahomes is in a slump. He's struggling out there and no one is sure why.

The defense stepped up tonight and we had several big plays on the ground. SOMETHING needs to get better while we wait out Mahomes. Maybe that something is Gore. IIRC, 11 carries for 48 yards = electric. At least the way he did it. The stuffs ****ed his ypc.

You know which teams run more than pass? The ones who have crappy QBs. If I were an opposing defensive coordinator and the Chiefs ran 50% of the time you would wonder how the opposing coach could hand you such a gift. Andy has to solve the opposing defenses through the air. If "the scheme" is so good to be able to shut down the Chiefs of all teams, why aren't all teams running the scheme against all opponents, with scoring down across the league? The Chiefs offensive braintrust is missing some opportunities for easy yardage in the passing game. We won't right the offense without being able to impose our will on opposing defenses through the air.

You are missing the forests for the trees.....

If teams play us as they are now the answer is run the ball more. You run the ball against 6 and 7 in the box. If they bring a player up then you go over the top.

It's hard to go deep and vertical when the defense is playing to take that away and the only gift we are handing them is refusing to take what they do give us.

Guess which QB is crappy right now...

Mahomes is not playing well right now, need to rebuild his confidence.


When Mahomes is dominating we can go back to throwing the ball 60 times.

30 touches for 160 yards and one TD is not much to write home about dude.

A real RB would be killing these Cover 2 looks.

These guys are lucky to get 4 YPC against a bad defense.

No, no, and triple no. Going full Martyball with elite skill positions on the outside is a recipe for disaster.

Every time one of these dumptruck backs gets the ball on a run the defense KNOWS it is a run going up the middle unless it is perfectly blocked on the outside.

You are brain dead on this shit.

The funny thing is that most teams (like the Giants for instance) would kill to have a QB who even performed on the level Mahomes did today. There are some very bad starting QBs in the NFL. Quite a few really.

You’re wrong.

This offenses effective balance is a power run game with play action. All of the OL are road graders and we struggle blocking the edge. Probably in the neighborhood of 55-45 pass to run.

The WRs outside of Hill and Kelce are bad at getting open and making plays. None of them are weapons as traditional route running receivers. Hardman runs fast and is a weapon as an extension of the running game, but struggles making an impact in other areas.

Josh Gordon isn’t keeping anyone up at night to scheme against.

So have Hill and Kelce as the receiving threats more and run the ball out of double tight more. This OL is a far better run blocking unit than pass blocking one and Pat is great at PA. Force teams to stop our running game more.

Brown doesn’t get exposed as much and gets to wear down his man. Same goes for Niang. That forces teams to bring those safeties down more.

This team isn’t built for long developing pass plays anymore.

No one will ever pull a player up to stop the run with PM and cheetah on the same team. I don't care if you have Derrick Henry. Paper cuts are more survival than slashes to the jugular. If you give up the pass to run the ball, no one cares. They already won when you gave up the pass.

Daniel Jones had the better game.

Yes, ultimately running plays with Gore or one of the other random scrub RBs are a win for the defense every time. They know it. It is Andy's job to find a way to scheme his way out of that situation and allow Mahomes to still have an impact on the game despite the coverage he's facing.

Well here is what they stats say, I believe going into tonight

We are 4th in the league in yards per carry

We are 13th in the league in yards per attempt

Daniel Jones was and is awful. The few passing yards he got in this game were also on screen plays.

So we are Marty's Chiefs. 20-17 wins. Take our foot off the gas. Play for the field goal. Neuter the best players on our team. Never run outside because you have no one to run outside.

AWESOME!

**** youself.

PS - You were wrong about the defense. BITCH!

They used to. So you think if Gore is picking up 5+ yards chunks at a time they won't do anything to stop it?

And if it's true that they won't move someone down to stop it, why are you advocating we not do it? Do yards gained rushing count less than yards gained passing or something?

Brain dead Pete post.

Tell me how the healthy running backs are doing.

Tell me why their average is going up if they get it more and defenses see it coming right up the middle since it never goes anywhere else.

Tell me how many paint chips your mother force fed you.

Those screen plays worked.....

Patrick's longest pass was a flip pass to Hardman.

You can't pass a lot when Mahomes is playing the way he is. It's a recipe for diaster. Until he breaks out of it and plays better the Chiefs need to run the ball. It's not a 'win' for the defense if the offense is constantly getting first downs.

Mahomes is an INT machine right now. Until he breaks out of this funk the Chiefs can, and should, run more.

We had a few screen and short passes called, Mahomes threw them over people and in the dirt.

You love QBR right? Jones had a 33 QBR and Mahomes 19.

One holding call on a run play means the next three plays have to be passes for this offense.

That is why it is foolhardy to force feed our average backs.

I can't believe people want to go back to Hermball.

Of course they worked, the Chiefs defense can't defend them.

When Daniel Jones had to get the job done, though, he completely shit his pants like he always does.

Good post.

If we go out and get another Receiver in the offseason, maybe things change. Right now we need to be a playaction offense.

Do we pay Orlando Brown or let him walk? He doesn't fit Mahomes's game.

I don't think you want to be invoking QBR in an argument about Daniel Jones. LMAO

I agree with the premise here, but we have to face the facts: Mahomes is in a slump. The offense needs a consistent means of moving the ball till he figures it out.

The passing game hasn't been special all year. It may come out of it. I think it will. But thus fat it hasnt.

He's the engine driving the team. You have to let him run free. That is the only way he will get out of the funk.

He threw one pick tonight LMAO LMAO

Chief fan is drinking mercury tonight.

Not seeing him missing a lot of wide open recievers. Not saying none of the blame is on him, but take away the batted balls, the fumbles, let him scramble and not worry so much about keeping him in the pocket (which limits his game), and we are having a different conversation. If you think if what ails the offense rests more than 30% on Mahomes...

you seem to not like the math....

the fact is defenses we are facing are giving us the run and you want to refuse to take it because you want to be stubborn....

I'd love to see what Gore can do with the ball wide open in the flat like a bunch of those that DW got tonight.

In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games. I don't know why people are acting like saying we need to run more means we become the Tennessee Titans.

The answer is the short passing game. Mahomes has executed it at a high level previously in his career.

It is hit or miss right now. Mahomes throws one off, a drop somewhere else.

They have to keep chopping wood on the short passing game, running tweedle dee and tweedle dum up Creed's cheeks isn't the answer.

The Chiefs had 368 yards tonight with over 100 yards in penalties.

They will get it figured out.

Keep chopping wood with the axe that is Mahomes' right arm. It will sharpen up.

Williams and Gore will always be dull.

We ran the ball more because we were leading games and our offense was firing on all cylinders. None of this is happening anymore.

I think I mentioned the short passing game along with more running. Ball control. That's what the short passing game is.

Whatever it takes to get defenses to respect the short game.

QBR grades tonight

Dan Jones = 32/100
Mahomes = 19/100

Patrick is playing terrible football these days. Who knows when he will get out of the slump, but it's ugly right now. I'm in favor of a stronger run game if they can pull it off.

Your stats are wrong.

They're on pace for 312 non-QB runs. More if you count the 17th game.

And they've been way behind half the time.

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Why does he need to scramble to be a good QB? Especially if it's causing him to run into sacks and miss open receivers?