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Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 12:34 AM

Chris Simms on Chiefs vs Raiders
 
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Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 12:35 AM

Simms doesn't walk back "I don't trust Mahomes and the Chiefs, Raiders Win"

eDave 11-16-2021 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15958177)
Simms doesn't walk back "I don't trust Mahomes and the Chiefs, Raiders Win"

I agree that he shouldn't just yet.

Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15958180)
I agree that he shouldn't just yet.



I admittedly disagree, he flat out said Raiders win

eDave 11-16-2021 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15958181)
I admittedly disagree, he flat out said Raiders win

Oh, that part. Not a big deal, imo.

Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15958182)
Oh, that part. Not a big deal, imo.

On the NBC program he made it out as it was a certainty. He needs to apologize for that

eDave 11-16-2021 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15958183)
On the NBC program he made it out as it was a certainty. He needs to apologize for that

LMAO

kccrow 11-16-2021 01:31 AM

The closed captioning is awesome.

Pitt Gorilla 11-16-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15958182)
Oh, that part. Not a big deal, imo.

I mean, they were never going to win that game and it wasn't particularly close.

TimBone 11-16-2021 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15958183)
On the NBC program he made it out as it was a certainty. He needs to apologize for that

Say what?

Chiefspants 11-16-2021 09:26 AM

Cancel culture coming for bad football picks.

Chris Meck 11-16-2021 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15958183)
On the NBC program he made it out as it was a certainty. He needs to apologize for that

:LOL:

Warrick 11-16-2021 09:29 AM

He picked the Niners to win the Superbowl against the Chiefs. I took it as a good omen that he picked the Raiders as well :).

Chris Meck 11-16-2021 09:31 AM

The Chiefs look like themselves for one game and all of the sudden everybody here never had a doubt and anyone who did needs to apologize.

I didn't doubt that Mahomes would eventually get it together, but to say you never doubted it would happen THIS game is a bunch of horseshit and you know it.

They've left themselves very little room for error going forward, but if they stay hot, nobody can beat them.

Most impressive is the defensive turnaround, which is mostly attitude; which was lacking the first what, 6 weeks?

The offense was always going to come around at some point, they're just too good not to.

But don't act like you knew for sure that they were going to drop 40 on The Raiders with Wylie at RT and looking like they had for the last several weeks.

Dunerdr 11-16-2021 10:46 AM

I find that theres good nuggets in most Simmscasts, however the overall picture he paints is not always accurate. "The RPO has ruined Mahomes" Well they just murdered the raiders with some rpo and check downs, just different ones and different looks. He really made it out to be Mahomes couldnt make a play if it wasnt and RPO play.

comochiefsfan 11-16-2021 10:55 AM

Imagine Chris Simms thinking he has the cache to criticize any great QBs.

That's like me trying a Gordon Ramsey meal and telling him it sucks.

Chiefspants 11-16-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15958523)
Imagine Chris Simms thinking he has the cache to criticize any great QBs.

That's like me trying a Gordon Ramsey meal and telling him it sucks.

By that standard there are a lot of people on this forum who owe Mahomes an apology.

RealSNR 11-16-2021 11:16 AM

We'll know a lot more this week. Cowboys have a great offense. It's great that Mahomes got the offense going when the defense was putting the screws to the opponent, but can he maintain that same swagger without pressing if the defense is giving up more scores?

Yes, I know he's won plenty of shootouts in his career. The problem during his "slump" is he wasn't winning those shootouts and throwing picks in the process. Can he get that part of his game back?

RaidersOftheCellar 11-16-2021 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15958523)
Imagine Chris Simms thinking he has the cache to criticize any great QBs.

That's like me trying a Gordon Ramsey meal and telling him it sucks.

Haven't you been critical of Mahomes and the team in general?

chiefforlife 11-16-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15958523)
Imagine Chris Simms thinking he has the cache to criticize any great QBs.

That's like me trying a Gordon Ramsey meal and telling him it sucks.


No, its not.

He may not have been physically gifted like a great QB but that doesnt mean he cant recognize or critique one.
Do you think Belichik could criticize a QB or Andy Reid or anyone who has studied or played the position? Of course they can.

Its literally just an opinion anyway.

Same goes for Chef Ramsey, do you HAVE to like his food just because hes a famous Chef? No.

If his food sucked to you, then it sucked. Other people may like it but again, thats your opinion.

comochiefsfan 11-16-2021 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15958560)
Haven't you been critical of Mahomes and the team in general?

Nope you must have me confused with someone else.

I've been critical of the General Manager. Not Mahomes.

Chris Meck 11-16-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15958614)
Nope you must have me confused with someone else.

I've been critical of the General Manager. Not Mahomes.

You know FAR less about being an NFL GM than Chris Simms does about playing QB. FAR less.

Balto 11-16-2021 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15958390)
The Chiefs look like themselves for one game and all of the sudden everybody here never had a doubt and anyone who did needs to apologize.

I didn't doubt that Mahomes would eventually get it together, but to say you never doubted it would happen THIS game is a bunch of horseshit and you know it.

They've left themselves very little room for error going forward, but if they stay hot, nobody can beat them.

Most impressive is the defensive turnaround, which is mostly attitude; which was lacking the first what, 6 weeks?

The offense was always going to come around at some point, they're just too good not to.

But don't act like you knew for sure that they were going to drop 40 on The Raiders with Wylie at RT and looking like they had for the last several weeks.

Your right....I guessed 50 /shrug

MahomesMagic 11-16-2021 12:25 PM

Simms still thinks the Raiders didn't play the Chiefs the right way.

They did in the first and Reid and Mahomes crushed it.

Then the Raiders altered in the 2nd half but they didn't alter to things that were better. They played more 3 high and that left wide open field for us to run guys through and to hit RPO stuff.

Against KC you limit the deep shots AND take away the RPO game by dropping your linebackers back more.

Make Reid run the ball more which he dislikes.

jd1020 11-16-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 15958612)
No, its not.

He may not have been physically gifted like a great QB but that doesnt mean he cant recognize or critique one.
Do you think Belichik could criticize a QB or Andy Reid or anyone who has studied or played the position? Of course they can.

Its literally just an opinion anyway.

Same goes for Chef Ramsey, do you HAVE to like his food just because hes a famous Chef? No.

If his food sucked to you, then it sucked. Other people may like it but again, thats your opinion.

**** Ramsey's beef wellington. Have I tried it? Nope. Will I ever try it? Nope. Why? Because mother **** liver. That's why.

staylor26 11-16-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15958614)
Nope you must have me confused with someone else.

I've been critical of the General Manager. Not Mahomes.

And he’s proceeded to make you look like a ****ing dumbass.

HC_Chief 11-16-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15958685)
**** Ramsey's beef wellington. Have I tried it? Nope. Will I ever try it? Nope. Why? Because mother **** liver. That's why.

Huh? Liver? WTF? GR does not use liver in Beef Wellington. Who tf would use LIVER in Beef Wellington?!

Simms takes are solid, per usual. He is spot on that the faid really screwed up with their defensive playcalling. Play a basic cover 2, stay patient, force KC to run first and often. They didn't do that: they played a cover 3 with occasional cover 1. They frigging blew it, defensively, and the Chiefs did something fairly new for this season: they made them pay for it. Credit to KC for much improved execution.

Chris Meck 11-16-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15958668)
Simms still thinks the Raiders didn't play the Chiefs the right way.

They did in the first and Reid and Mahomes crushed it.

Then the Raiders altered in the 2nd half but they didn't alter to things that were better. They played more 3 high and that left wide open field for us to run guys through and to hit RPO stuff.

Against KC you limit the deep shots AND take away the RPO game by dropping your linebackers back more.

Make Reid run the ball more which he dislikes.

I would argue that none of that really mattered and what made the biggest difference was Mahomes happily tossing it over to Williams uncovered in the flat all game long.

That just absolutely killed The Raiders.

It's been there, we just haven't taken it much. Sunday we saw how taking that outlet pass, especially early, opens everything up later in the game.

jd1020 11-16-2021 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 15958701)
Huh? Liver? WTF? GR does not use liver in Beef Wellington. Who tf would use LIVER in Beef Wellington?!

Most every recipe for Beef Wellington. It's in the pate underneath the pastry.

MahomesMagic 11-16-2021 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15958704)
I would argue that none of that really mattered and what made the biggest difference was Mahomes happily tossing it over to Williams uncovered in the flat all game long.

That just absolutely killed The Raiders.

It's been there, we just haven't taken it much. Sunday we saw how taking that outlet pass, especially early, opens everything up later in the game.

There have been plays like checkdowns that we weren't taking but unlike the Green Bay game (where Reid schemed a drive or so) we attacked the Raiders without mercy in the correct places all 1st half.

It wasn't just Mahomes and execution. Our coaching had become stale as well and Reid finally altered for more than the scripted plays (In Green Bay he attacked the weak spots then went back to our normal playbook).

Chris Meck 11-16-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15958708)
There have been plays like checkdowns that we weren't taking but unlike the Green Bay game (where Reid schemed a drive or so) we attacked the Raiders without mercy in the correct places all 1st half.

It wasn't just Mahomes and execution. Our coaching had become stale as well and Reid finally altered for more than the scripted plays (In Green Bay he attacked the weak spots then went back to our normal playbook).

I would agree with that.

HC_Chief 11-16-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15958707)
Most every recipe for Beef Wellington. It's in the pate underneath the pastry.

What?! No no no, that is MUSHROOM DUXELLES, not liver. ****ing gross! Liver is not in Beef Wellington.

jd1020 11-16-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 15958716)
What?! No no no, that is MUSHROOM DUXELLES, not liver. ****ing gross! Liver is not in Beef Wellington.

Bro. Look up recipes for it. Maybe you have found one or make one yourself that doesn't include liver, but the basic recipe for Beef Wellington is a mash of foie gras and mushrooms.

HC_Chief 11-16-2021 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15958721)
Bro. Look up recipes for it. Maybe you have found one or make one yourself that doesn't include liver, but the basic recipe for Beef Wellington is a mash of foie gras and mushrooms.

That is simply wrong and disgusting. I agree 100% I would not eat BW made w/ liver. It should not be made that way; that is a garbage recipe. Here's (supposedly) GR's recipe (no liver): https://www.masterclass.com/articles...-with-pictures

/end sidebar.

Back to Chiefs :) They kicked the faid in their little ding-dings.

ReynardMuldrake 11-16-2021 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15958721)
Bro. Look up recipes for it. Maybe you have found one or make one yourself that doesn't include liver, but the basic recipe for Beef Wellington is a mash of foie gras and mushrooms.

Ramsay's recipe for beef Wellington uses center cut beef tenderloin. I watched his masterclass video.

jd1020 11-16-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 15958757)
Ramsay's recipe for beef Wellington uses center cut beef tenderloin. I watched his masterclass video.

Yes. They all do. That has nothing to do with where a traditional recipe inserts liver.

Now if the above recipe for Ramsey's Beef Wellington is legit, then I apologize to Ramsey. But I still reserve my right to say mother **** Beef Wellington, traditionally.

comochiefsfan 11-16-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15958689)
And he’s proceeded to make you look like a ****ing dumbass.

Not yet. Glad to see some of his draft picks looking good so far for a change though.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-16-2021 01:36 PM

Most of you have no reason to rip the guy. We had dumb****s all week saying the Raiders would feast because Crosby would be unblockable by Willey and that Carr would go off on Spags defense.

banyon 11-16-2021 02:22 PM

Chris Simms was a shit QB but I am really enjoying these analyst bits.

Bl00dyBizkitz 11-16-2021 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15958668)
Simms still thinks the Raiders didn't play the Chiefs the right way.

They did in the first and Reid and Mahomes crushed it.

Then the Raiders altered in the 2nd half but they didn't alter to things that were better. They played more 3 high and that left wide open field for us to run guys through and to hit RPO stuff.

Against KC you limit the deep shots AND take away the RPO game by dropping your linebackers back more.

Make Reid run the ball more which he dislikes.

I almost made a thread about this. The Raiders are the first team to abandon the formula used against Mahomes.

Are the Raiders just dumb? Or did we punish the Raiders enough with our short game to force them to adjust?

Danguardace 11-16-2021 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 15958912)
I almost made a thread about this. The Raiders are the first team to abandon the formula used against Mahomes.

Are the Raiders just dumb? Or did we punish the Raiders enough with our short game to force them to adjust?

Teams are struggle if our Defense really has improved. You could be looking a 3-4 possession per half.

Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15958390)
The Chiefs look like themselves for one game and all of the sudden everybody here never had a doubt and anyone who did needs to apologize.

I didn't doubt that Mahomes would eventually get it together, but to say you never doubted it would happen THIS game is a bunch of horseshit and you know it.

They've left themselves very little room for error going forward, but if they stay hot, nobody can beat them.

Most impressive is the defensive turnaround, which is mostly attitude; which was lacking the first what, 6 weeks?

The offense was always going to come around at some point, they're just too good not to.

But don't act like you knew for sure that they were going to drop 40 on The Raiders with Wylie at RT and looking like they had for the last several weeks.

40 points no, but I expected 30+ because of Raider week

DaFace 11-16-2021 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 15958380)
Cancel culture coming for bad football picks.

No joke. If we're going to crucify every talking head every time they get a pick wrong, everyone's gonna be dead in about two weeks.

Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15958976)
No joke. If we're going to crucify every talking head every time they get a pick wrong, everyone's gonna be dead in about two weeks.

Again Raider week, and it's alright to hold someone accountable, and I'm not asking for him to get fired

excessive 11-16-2021 03:46 PM

[QUOTE=comochiefsfan;15958523]Imagine Chris Simms thinking he has the cache to criticize any great QBs.

Imagine having the caché of using cache on chiefsplanet, knowing that nobody will know the difference.

Chris Meck 11-16-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15958967)
40 points no, but I expected 30+ because of Raider week

Raider week? Marty's been gone a long, long time.

Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15959008)
Raider week? Marty's been gone a long, long time.


Raiders did a lap around Arrowhead last time

Chris Meck 11-16-2021 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15959028)
Raiders did a lap around Arrowhead last time

eye roll.

I doubt the players give much of a shit.

And we'd better hope that's not what happened Sunday, because if it was just 'Raider week' then we're ****ed.

I don't think it was.

Tribal Warfare 11-16-2021 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15959037)
eye roll.

I doubt the players give much of a shit.

And we'd better hope that's not what happened Sunday, because if it was just 'Raider week' then we're ****ed.

I don't think it was.

Ok be dismissive of it, any athlete looks for extra motivation.

carcosa 11-16-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15958390)
The Chiefs look like themselves for one game and all of the sudden everybody here never had a doubt and anyone who did needs to apologize.

I didn't doubt that Mahomes would eventually get it together, but to say you never doubted it would happen THIS game is a bunch of horseshit and you know it.

They've left themselves very little room for error going forward, but if they stay hot, nobody can beat them.

Most impressive is the defensive turnaround, which is mostly attitude; which was lacking the first what, 6 weeks?

The offense was always going to come around at some point, they're just too good not to.

But don't act like you knew for sure that they were going to drop 40 on The Raiders with Wylie at RT and looking like they had for the last several weeks.

I KNEW!!!!!!!!

Demonpenz 11-16-2021 07:24 PM

Remember when chris simms got hit so hard they had tontake out his beef Wellington

JakeF 11-16-2021 07:42 PM

I still think there is a chance that Mahomes' foot still isn't 100%. Their foot plant can really hurt a QB's passing. Pat really isn't running quite the same, either.

I saw Mahomes really step into a few passes against the Raiders. It was good to see.

Simply Red 11-16-2021 07:44 PM

hell yeah thanks TW - watching now, so far I got my colon cleaned on CP tonight - I'm amazed CP is still free w/ all of the perks!

Simply Red 11-16-2021 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 15959071)
I KNEW!!!!!!!!

Me TOO!! See below, thal you,,,,,,!!


https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...postcount=2681

Hell yeah !

kccrow 11-16-2021 09:07 PM

I'm with jd, liver is usually in traditional beef wellington... albeit from a bird and not the cow... which makes it even weirder.

New World Order 11-16-2021 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 15959071)
I KNEW!!!!!!!!

WE BELIEF!!!

dlphg9 11-16-2021 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15958668)
Simms still thinks the Raiders didn't play the Chiefs the right way.

They did in the first and Reid and Mahomes crushed it.

Then the Raiders altered in the 2nd half but they didn't alter to things that were better. They played more 3 high and that left wide open field for us to run guys through and to hit RPO stuff.

Against KC you limit the deep shots AND take away the RPO game by dropping your linebackers back more.

Make Reid run the ball more which he dislikes.

Simms says right in the video that the Raiders were doing what they needed to do, but Patrick Mahomes was taking the short stuff and that forced the Faid to try and stop it. That led to the deep stuff opening up.

dlphg9 11-16-2021 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15958983)
Again Raider week, and it's alright to hold someone accountable, and I'm not asking for him to get fired

Hold someone accountable? For making a prediction? That's a really stupid train of thought.

Tribal Warfare 11-17-2021 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15959486)
Hold someone accountable? For making a prediction? That's a really stupid train of thought.

Welcome to ChiefsPlanet that's what we do

JakeF 11-17-2021 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15959485)
Simms says right in the video that the Raiders were doing what they needed to do, but Patrick Mahomes was taking the short stuff and that forced the Faid to try and stop it. That led to the deep stuff opening up.

One of the big differences is that Mahomes was taking the short stuff early, instead of waiting until the pass rush was about to kill him. Mahomes finally accepted that a short pass isn't a "losing play".

It was great that Mahomes got to turn it loose late in the game. It rewarded him for doing the right thing, so hopefully he will keep doing it.

JPH83 11-17-2021 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15959485)
Simms says right in the video that the Raiders were doing what they needed to do, but Patrick Mahomes was taking the short stuff and that forced the Faid to try and stop it. That led to the deep stuff opening up.

It looked like it was both Mahomes being dialled in and committed to the short stuff early, but also the Raiders failing to have the patience of other teams to let that play out and hope we make a mistake on a long drive.

Honestly, can't see anything wrong with Simms' evaluation that he wants to wait another week before he suggests Mahomes and the Chiefs are back. Obviously he was way off on the prediction but we probably do need another couple of performances like this to feel really confident. Would be good to see Mahomes carve up a cover 2 defence - which I don't think the Cowboys are, but they're a team that should score and put us under pressure. A proper test.

Baby Lee 11-17-2021 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15958523)
Imagine Chris Simms thinking he has the cache to criticize any great QBs.

That's like me trying a Gordon Ramsey meal and telling him it sucks.

Someone with PS skills should mock up Mahomes and Simms in the stupid sandwich gif.

That said, of everything possible to criticize Ramsey for, his Welly isn't it. Prime beef and mushroom is delicious ALL THE TIME, and in a Welly it's just about perfect.

And he markets it for home presentation.

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FAX 11-17-2021 07:35 AM

1) Mushrooms are overrated and are very low in fiber.

2) The RPO is pointless if you always ignore the R and only P.

3) It's even worse when you ignore the R and only shoot the long, deep P and not the short P or the P in the flat.

4) Ramsey once made an omelette out of Raindeer meat that he cooked over a campfire. Once finished, he ate a bite and said it was "delicious" but you could tell from his expression that it was horrible. You can't hide sheer disgust.

FAX

threebag 11-17-2021 05:16 PM

What's the **** is on his upper lip?

FlaChief58 11-18-2021 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 15959321)
hell yeah thanks TW - watching now, so far I got my colon cleaned on CP tonight - I'm amazed CP is still free w/ all of the perks!

Im trying to get home right now to cleanse my colon. Its going to be a photo finish

htismaqe 11-18-2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 15959647)
1) Mushrooms are overrated and are very low in fiber.

2) The RPO is pointless if you always ignore the R and only P.

3) It's even worse when you ignore the R and only shoot the long, deep P and not the short P or the P in the flat.

4) Ramsey once made an omelette out of Raindeer meat that he cooked over a campfire. Once finished, he ate a bite and said it was "delicious" but you could tell from his expression that it was horrible. You can't hide sheer disgust.

FAX

FAX, the master of the esoteric, has no appreciation for umami?

Shame, shame. Baby Lee is right. :D


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