Rank the non-Hill Chiefs receivers.
 

Poll forthcoming.

No Marcus Kemp?

At least he has a ****ing catch this year. You know who doesn't? Shitty stupid Fountain.

I'm okay with #2 being a combination of Hardman, Pringle, and Robinson. They all kind of compliment each other nicely. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but when you put them together they get the job done. Gun to my head? I'm not sure I could pick the clear cut order they should be in.

Biggest disappointment to me by far has been Gordon. Mahomes made Albert Wilson a ton of money in his very first start. I thought Gordon could at least be Albert Wilson type of good.

So by default, I guess Fountain is 4th for me.

Pringle has made some pretty damn good catches so he's easily the 2nd best we have, imo. Hardman is only good for those end arounds, everything else he seems to drop. After that I couldn't be bothered to care.

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Right now it has to be Pringle at #2 and Hardman at #3. DRob gets #4 just because Gordon and Fountain haven't had many targets. I personally don't think we have to expend vast resources on a WR2 at this time. How many catches and yards would make a true difference? Until opposing Ds quit playing a 2 high shell, what we need is someone besides Kelce to run that 8-12 yard slant. Right now that's Pringle. Hardman can't, DRob runs it but retreats 2 yards, Gordon hasn't shown a thing, and Fountain is direct from the PS. Gray provides an interesting option and he seems to be getting more work.

I agree that its hard to rank anyone at 2. There is no 2.

2 is empty, lonely and just waiting for someone to take it.

Lots of 3s though, Pringle, Hardman, D Rob

Couple 4s Gordon, maybe he finally gets going and moves up, Fountain I have to believe if he was going to do anything he would have been moved up sooner given the gaping hole at 2 we have had all season.

It is painful watching other teams, makes me wonder why we are having such a hard time finding WRs. It seems like rookie and young WRs are everywhere but here.

Dallas is loaded, imagine having Gallup as your #3? Cedrick Wilson at #4
Pittsburgh loses Juju but still has Dionte Johnson and Claypool and James Washington...
Minnesota loses Diggs but Justin Jefferson easily replaces him then Thielan then they have another young stud that I cant remember right now.

Maybe its because I have been noticing it more with our lack of depth at WR.

Denver even has Sutton, Jeudy, Patrick. Damn

We need a Claypool, Deebo Samual, Justin Jefferson BIG Physical WR that can get open, make contested catches and take them to the house!

Patrick has never had one of those, of course Kelce but not at WR. No disrespect to Cheetah he is on his own level.

I hate any time Hardman is anywhere near the ball. Don't want him on special teams, don't want him targeted, don't want him running sweeps. Every time he touches the ball I'm just praying it won't be a fumble. There is almost always at least a fumble "scare". Would love it if he were cut tomorrow. Bring back Deiter if that's all you can find.

Alright, you know what?

Because we have history, I'm going to give you a one-time pass on you talking slander about my man Daurice "City of" Fountain.

If I hear it again I will not be so forgiving.

come draft selection will there be on available?
any good ones out their on final year of contract?
Is Gordon the secret weapon yet to be launched?

I am befuddled how this many WR on one team that hasn't demonstrated a skill set to be 2nd receiver.

so far Pringle is the best we have for no. 2

Definitely Pringle. Deceptively fast and a heady player.

I will have you know I am going to change your name to RealSNRFountain the day he has a surprise huge outing/game changing performance.

So much this. If he doesn't drop the ball, or be completely unaware of the ball, or fumble the ball, the guy immediately goes and gets in the face of the defense like a first ballot hall of fame ****tard.

He's a dumpster fire. He's a gadget player and punt returner, and we no longer trust him to field punts. This is a player who 2 seasons ago sparked one of the greatest comebacks in playoff history with a huge kickoff return.

He's regressed so far he's not even allowed to do that.

His speed is the only thing keeping him on the roster.

Do I have to?

We whiffed on Hardman, let Sammy walk and really haven't even attempted to address the position aside from bringing in the corpse of Josh Gordon.

Hmm, I don't recall ever seeing this. Do you remember a specific instance?

I voted party line, Hardman, Pringle, Robinson, Gordon, Fountain. - but really I see the first three as nearly interchangeable. Pringle has made some great catches and seems to be more able to make himself available on scrambles. Hardmans speed contributes to our play calling. Robinson doesn't seem to get many targets. Gordman has been frustratingly nonproductive. Fountain hasn't been productive at all. Nobody really in the first tier (under Hill) really stands very far apart from the rest of the group.

This franchise has a bad history with drafting receivers. Certainly in the 28 years I've been a fan. Bowe was good. Tyreek is great. So many busts in between. On the other hand, this franchise has been lucky with tight ends.

If you watch Andy's post-game presser, he said some wise things about how you have to design plays that give players a chance to do what they do well.

Seems like he understands that Hardman and Pringle are not full route tree guys, but can contribute if used the right way.

As far as affordability, it could be a blessing in disguise to have a couple guys that can be re-signed without earning a big pay jump on second contract.

If you have not watched Andy's post-game presser Sunday, I recommend watching. Seems like the coaches have resolved to coach this year's team for this year's games in a way that they may not have done earlier in the season.

The Chiefs tried in FA.

They failed to sign JuJu or Will Fuller.

Both were KC targets.

Fair.

Probably gonna have to either land someone or draft a receiver high this offseason though

Pringle is the best-smelling turd in the toilet, by far.

Uhh... were you around during the preseason at all? I was on like a 48-hour Fountain-hating bender there for awhile. You must have missed it.

Sorry, bree. Maybe some day he'll rise to the level of Gehrig Dieter-type production with this team (2 career catches!) but until then he's on-again-off-again.

Might get a chance next year. We'll see.

I really thought we were going to have something with Sylvester Morris when he had that one breakout 100-yard game his rookie year. Then his knee/leg/whatever exploded and he was never the same, unfortunately.

Man, you know what's really crazy? Take the Chiefs' best drafted WRs from the past 30 years or so. We'll disagree on some of the choices, but I'll bet just about everybody has Hill and Bowe, and probably Dante Hall on there.

If that's the case, then 2 of the top 5 drafted WRs by the Chiefs from that period were RBs in college.

I'm going to agree with you somewhat. DRob and Gordon haven't made much of a splash, Hardman has his uses but doesn't run good routes. Pringle has good hands and is good size, but he doesn't seem to get open much. Fountain hasn't been productive because he's been on the PS.

Pringle
Robinson
Hardman
Fountain

Gordon - NA, simply hasn't done enough to warrant a grade

I've always like Pringle, outside of KState fandom, if we had a solid number 2 with Pringle as our number 3 we'd be flying high, and that's where Sammy Watkins helped bring us to the last few seasons, just sad Josh Gordon hasn't emerged yet.

Yeah. Then we drafted Marvin "Snoop" Minnis right after him.

I honestly can't do this. It kind of stinks how difficult it really is.

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Gordon

Pringle 2, Gordon and Fountain 5 and 6.

The only question is the 2/3 turn, IMO.

If I desperately needed someone to go play the Z for the remainder of the season or hell, even the X, I'd probably prefer it be Robinson.

But if I could only roster one of those 2, not knowing what will happen with the rest of the WR corps, I'd roster Hardman. Because Hardman, while strictly a gadget player, IS worth something as a gadget guy. And in those roles he's far more useful than Robinson and his 2 targets/gm is.

I don't know if Robinson just isn't getting separation or what, but Hardman has twice as many targets as Robinson does. And Patrick seems to openly loathe Hardman while hes often seen socializing with Robinson. From a chemistry standpoint, it would seem Robinson has the edge.

Yet Patrick's never sending the ball his way anymore. There's gotta be a reason for that.

So ultimately I went with Hardman 3 and Robinson 4. Man Hardman is irritating.

I feel like Hardman's just coasting, if he could just have a come to Jesus moment where he realizes the work he needs to put in off the field. An ounce more of chemistry with Pat would do wonders

If the light were gonna turn on, we'd at least have seen it flicker a time or two.

Remember those old halogen bulbs in the school gymnasium? Oh sure, they take 10-15 minutes to really get bright, but as soon as you flip the switch, you knew the ballasts had ignited and they started to slowly turn on.

I haven't seen anything in 3 years to indicate that Hardman has a switch to flip. This is just who he is. Maybe - if he's extremely lucky - he has Marquis Godwin's career. Or Ted Gin Jr (lower ceiling that Godwin but played a really long time).

But the guy's never going to just become any sort of 3-down receiver. The instincts aren't there.

Time to simply play the slice with this guy and accept him for what he is, not for what we wish he were (Terry McLaurin...)

Hardman is who he is because of his physical skills. It has nothing to do with mental make-up.

It is like Cordarelle Patterson, who was a 1st rounder with the Vikings and never really became a route tree WR.

Patterson has been a big time playmaker on a lot of teams and is one of the best players on the Falcons this year.

Like Patterson, Hardman had 100 yd+ KR TD and 75yd+ Receiving TD as a rookie.

They need to give the kid the plays and patterns that he can do and keep making huge plays with him.

Tyreek is unique as can be to have the acceleration, start and stop and top end speed that he has. Hardman has elite top end speed, acceleration and ability to make cuts at full speed with ball in his hands. He does not have the start and stop of a Tyreek or a full route tree guy.

Mecole is who he is because of his physical makeup. Fans that never could play football come up with this mental makeup criticism because they want to find a way to feel superior to a kid that is doing something.

Just like Andy Reid said in the post-game presser Sunday, it is up to the coaches to come up with plays that highlight the player's skills.

Imagine this dude having to step into Tyreek Hill's spot like he was drafted to do if things went sideways with the witch hunt.

What a shitshow that would have been.

this is pretty easy

Pringle
Hardman
Robinson
Gordon
Fountain

Chiefs might not have a Lombardi Trophy without Mecole Hardman and his KO return TD against Chargers in the 2019 season finale and his long TD receptions against Patriots and Ravens in 2019 regular season.

Funny thing about it is, the same asshole fans who do not appreciate Hardman's production and contribution since he has been here would be against giving DK Metcalf, or Terry McLaurin or Dionte Johnson, a market value second contract if they were here instead of Hardman and had similar production that they have with the teams that did draft them. Or they would be saying some stupid shit about re-signing one of those guys and not re-signing Tyreek Hill to a market value deal.

This Chiefs team is much better than some of their "fans" deserve.

Well this is the dumbest post I've seen today. It's still early, but I think you got the award on lockdown.

Congrats.

I agree. I don't know if he coasts on his athletic ability or just isn't capable of learning those routes and cuts. Yes, he's made some great plays, so has a lot of 2nd tier talent on the roster. But bottom line is he can't be trusted to make routine plays day in and day out. We have him under contract for 2022, but after that I expect the Chiefs to let him walk. Someone will overpay for him and we'll get a draft pick.

You probably don't have the memory ability to recall the big time plays that the kid has made. Is there youngster available to you that can help you find footage from games in the 2019 season on various electronic devices.

In another one of these pisss and moan about Hardman threads a week or two ago. I looked up the stats and Hardman had the most receptions of any player in the NFL that was 3rd on his team in receptions.

The kid plays football a lot better than you post about football. That is for sure. Ask anybody

Pringle is the 2. And he's....fine as that?

I mean, as long as Kelce and Hill are here, you don't necessarily need a dog at #2 but why can't Pringle be a nice solid #2?

Everybody is a champion when your team wins a Super Bowl, including disappointing players like Hardman

Would love to see prime Snoop Minnis in this offense

Disappointing. In 2019:

He made 2nd team All Pro as Kick Returner.

Had 20.7 yards per reception and 6 Receiving TDs.

Had 104 yard KO return touchdown after Chargers took a second half lead in season finale that Chiefs needed to have a chance at 2nd seed and first round bye.

His KO return when down 24-0 against Texans was the the first momentum changing play in the comeback.

He was awarded the Mack Lee Hill Award by the team as the top rookie for 2019.

I am not sure if the chiefs have an equivalent award for fans that don't know shit about NFL football but think that they do, but you can bet that a lot of folks here would get 1st place votes.

Chiefs should award one don't know shit about NFL football but think they do trophy per zip code.

To say Mecole Hardman isn't a disappointment is laughable.

Have to go back to 2019 to find an argument for a guy. I'm not even going to bother looking up any numbers because I can see with my own ****ing eyes that the Chiefs dont see him as a #2 WR and they just avoided spending on a WR because they were ready to give him his shot. This is a make or break year for Hardman and the longer the season goes the further down the depth chart he goes, and the team doesn't have an actual #2 WR that a non-disappointment receiver should be competing with. He's even lost his job as a returner now.

All this pissing and moaning about players that we don't have. With all of Hardmans limitations, it's not him alone that's bogging down this offense

Mecole Hardman is absolute ****ing garbage. When I see number 17 lining up for an offensive play my confidence drops. When I see him in motion I think "what's the point?" Cut him now, please.

I am optimistic. Seems like the coaches did more self-scouting even before bye week.

I think Chiefs could have scored more during the winning streak if the game situations would have called for it.

Seems like Chiefs coaches are coaching more to game situation and I like what I heard from Andy Reid at post game presser when he said coaches need to put players in position to use their strengths.

I like these games where the Chiefs defense plays hard the whole game and the offense does not need to score every drive.

I switched the last two because Gordon's "production" has literally been negative so far.

The regression of Robinson has been weird and hasn't gotten any better since the preseason.

Hardman is a more dangerous weapon. I’d rather see him on jet sweeps and reverses

Pringle is the better receiver

Frank Clark ****ing sucks, and he was vital to our success in 2019, too.

Daniel ****ing Sorensen made arguably the play of the game in that Texans playoff game to REALLY get the momentum on our side to come back from 24-0. You don't see any fans on here defending his wrinkly bald Mormon ass these days, do you?

That was 2019, man. You've got to let go of the past. Hardman was fresh and new and gadgety and made some big plays back then. What the blue **** has he done in 2021?

Hell, at least Frank Clark has recently made a play or two. The only plays I can recall Hardman making this year have been ****ups and fumbles.

And after all of that, there is STILL time for Hardman to turn it around and be a legit receiver who runs good routes, makes plays, and doesn't need the ball ****ing spoonfed to him just to get him going. The problem is he has the time, but he's quickly running out of it. A couple of posts ago you kept calling him "the kid." He's not a goddamn kid anymore. This is his 3rd year. It was supposed to be a season in which he took the damn diapers off and started taking a leadership role on the team through his play on the field. And he has come up WAY short of that expectation. If he gets it going this year and into next season, then ****ing great, but do any of us believe based on his track record that he'll achieve that? No. Not at ****ing all.

Even his gadget plays haven't really been successful. Yeah, he's had an ok catch or two and gotten some first downs, but he's not the big play guy we drafted him to be. If he's not going to do that, and he's not going to demonstrate any kind of reliability, then he's not somebody we need to be grateful for, is he? He's just kind of there. Better than the training camp scrubs, more physically gifted than any old fart veterans we can bring in, but can't put it together and just sort of lives in his own mire of WR4ness.

No doubt
Def needs to be upgraded

We wouldn't have a Superbowl without Dirty Dan either. I vote we give him 100% snaps again! If you don't want that, then you're not a real fan and don't deserve this team!!

Everything I wrote in the post you quoted and responded to was true.

Okay, you like to single out players to hate and criticize and then not give them any credit for the good shit they do.

That does not seem worthwhile to me.

Hardman has contributed and will contribute more. He has the physical skills that he has. Those skills helped Georgia Bulldogs make it to Championship game and helped the Chiefs get to 2 Super Bowls and win one.

Considering that the Chiefs have the record of most years between Super Bowl wins, 50 years., Why not enjoy that? If you like saying this guy or that guy that made it to the league and helped a team win a championship warrants your badmouthing make the most of that.

Seems like a dumbass thing to do, but you can keep it up if it gives you kicks.

What does a kick return have to do with playing Wide Receiver? This question was about rating the receivers, not special teams. Hardman is a decent returner if he doesn't fumble. They have removed him from punt returners because he as a problem knowing when/where to fair catch.

If they want to keep Hardman around as a Kick Returner and #4 receiver, i'm ok with it. When definitely need to upgrade our #2 receiver though.

Hill
#2
Pringle
Hardman
#5
Fountain

I would be ok if they keep Hill, Pringle and cut the rest too. We don't know how long Hill and Kelce will remain healthy and so dominate. Kelce and Hill are so ****ing good, it's saved us in so many ways.