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frozenchief 11-23-2021 01:52 PM

Too Cold To Walk Your Dog?
 
I saw this today and was frankly a bit perplexed. There's a saying up here: "The Arctic favors men and dogs and frowns on women and horses." If I followed this, I'd never walk my dog. In fact, I see a lot of people up here who skijor (cross-country sled while being pulled by a dog) or run with their dogs or do stuff with their dogs when it is way colder than this. The Yukon Quest is run at temperatures way below this.

I would not let a short hair Chihuahua out at those temperatures but that's not a good dog for up here anyway. Dogs that size are eagle bait. Literally. But I've got an Aussie shepherd/mastiff pup who's about 5 months old and about 35 pounds.

We've had a rash of early cold weather so 10 has been about the high for the last week and a half and yet I go walk the dog or let the dog out. Last night I walked the dog at about -5. We were out for about 30 minutes and he did just fine. Ran up and down the trail.

What do you all say? Is it me? Or is this chart too restrictive?

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Sassy Squatch 11-23-2021 01:54 PM

Doesn't make any sense unless there's separate charts for regions. My dog was bred in Texas so he seems to absolutely hate the cold. Cries like a bitch when it's time to go outside.

Jewish Rabbi 11-23-2021 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15973235)
Doesn't make any sense unless there's separate charts for regions. My dog was bred in Texas so he seems to absolutely hate the cold. Cries like a bitch when it's time to go outside.

No, all dogs are the same. They don’t evolve to their surroundings. /jj

Grim 11-23-2021 02:02 PM

Seems like some pretty small windows.
An 18° temperature swing is all it takes to go from "No Evidence of Risk" to "Potentially life threatening cold"?

Otter 11-23-2021 02:04 PM

Short haired fawn boxer owner. There's some truth to this but I'd go more with exposure time than just temperature. I think they're over-simplifying.

You're not dipping them in liquid nitrogen by taking them outside.

wazu 11-23-2021 02:04 PM

I always find it interesting to think about all of the animals out in the wilderness when it's sub-zero temps. If these temps kill a dog, why do so many other mammals thrive and do just fine in this climate? I'm sure breed plays in, but even if it's a dog with thick fur how much can that really matter?

I'd imagine if you're dog is excited to go on walks, and seems to be enjoying it while being out, there probably isn't a lot to worry about.

FlaChief58 11-23-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15973243)
No, all dogs are the same. They don’t evolve to their surroundings. /jj

I guess I'm canine then because anything colder than 65 pisse me tf off!

MarkDavis'Haircut 11-23-2021 02:07 PM

Just another example of people acting like dogs are children.

They are hardier than this chart suggests.

Lzen 11-23-2021 02:09 PM

I have had Boxers for the past 15 years. Used to take them outside for walks even with snow on the ground. That being said, I definitely wouldn't leave them out there for a prolonged period. They are a short haired breed but they can withstand 30 minutes outside in the cold.

Lzen 11-23-2021 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 15973257)
Short haired fawn boxer owner. There's some truth to this but I'd go more with exposure time than just temperature. I think they're over-simplifying.

You're not dipping them in liquid nitrogen by taking them outside.

Got any pics? I love Boxers.

ThaVirus 11-23-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15973258)
I always find it interesting to think about all of the animals out in the wilderness when it's sub-zero temps. If these temps kill a dog, why do so many other mammals thrive and do just fine in this climate?

Any wild animal in a region is going to adapted to the climate while dogs have been bred for all kinds of weird, stupid shit. A chihuahua is just not equipped to handle a Minnesota winter.

This chart is bullshit, though. They're ****ing dogs. They aren't going to die after 15 minutes of walking outside.

HC_Chief 11-23-2021 02:15 PM

Shit, good luck getting my Husky to come inside when it's below zero. She lives for that weather.

Our Texas Heeler is the opposite... he is all about the heat.

ToxSocks 11-23-2021 02:38 PM

Eh.

I have a dog that won't piss in the grass if the morning dew will get her paws wet. Yes, im being serious.

She'll piss on the concrete patio instead. She's such a sissy that if you ALMOST step on her paw, she'll squeal and yelp like you did.

CoMoChief 11-23-2021 04:15 PM

My old standard schnauzer didn't give a shit how cold it was....he expected to be walked every day.

Dogs can understand repetition and schedule. He'd let you know when it was time to walk. Miss that dog.

He didn't like the rain though. Loved the pool, lakes, rivers etc. Hated baths and rain. Guess he loved getting wet, but just on his own terms. lol

TLO 11-23-2021 04:16 PM

This dog lived close to you?

loochy 11-23-2021 04:17 PM

Guess what? Stray dogs survive for years, which means they make it through the winter.


They'll make it through a walk...

eDave 11-23-2021 04:18 PM

There's a similar one for Phoenix summers. Mostly about dog paws on the hot af surfaces.

mr. tegu 11-23-2021 04:23 PM

We have a 5 lb Maltese and this is pretty accurate for her. She wears sweaters in the winter and anything below 30 is too cold but above that with sun she’s mostly fine.

DJ's left nut 11-23-2021 04:28 PM

I kinda feel like the dog will tell you.

Every dog I've ever had (all bigger dogs; between 75 and 95 lbs) have loved crisp weather; down into the upper 20s/lower 30s. They get all kinds of fired up when they get outside and it's a little chilly.

But if it's REAL cold (hovering near zero) they'll do their business and they're back at the door in a hurry.

If your dog is still acting like he's happy to be there and proud to serve, let him go on his walk. I mean sure, we've watered dogs down to the point of nearly useless in domesticating them, but they still have SOME instincts left. Feral dogs are still a thing - they don't just stand in the woods until they die (unless you have a worthless 5 lb Maltese).

Marcellus 11-23-2021 04:29 PM

Excessive heat is much bigger risk than cold for most dogs, that chart is DAF.

I mean yea you dont just leave them outside in 0 degree weather but you can let them out to run around for a while. As long as they are active they are fine.

TinyEvel 11-23-2021 04:44 PM

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displacedinMN 11-23-2021 05:13 PM

animal rights wokeness

Bump 11-23-2021 06:13 PM

I dont walk my dog when everyone has salt/ice melt on the sidewalks in the winter. If I see her limping or walking funny because of it I'm bringing her back in

Fish 11-23-2021 06:17 PM

What kind of Facebook Mommy group shit is that?

Hydrae 11-23-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 15973542)
Guess what? Stray dogs survive for years, which means they make it through the winter.


They'll make it through a walk...

Do you know how many stray dogs die each year? You only see the ones that survive. You have to think of all the other that didn't make it through the winter! :deevee:

BWillie 11-23-2021 07:29 PM

Most dogs, are like wolves. It doesn't matter how cold it is outside.

BWillie 11-23-2021 07:31 PM

Think of the wolves, huskies, and dingos out there in the cold and heat. We need to save them.

Bwana 11-23-2021 08:31 PM

If that chart were anywhere close to the truth, every dog I've ever owned would have tipped over from hypothermia. I have a German Shepherd that lays out in the snow when it's well below zero. That dog has a coat like a Bison.

My Doberman is pretty close. Now keep in mind, they have access to a nice heated garage and a covered twin mattress at anytime, but they choose to be out there. In fact, when I bring them in the house, they get pretty hot and I generally don't keep the house over 68 at any given time. I like it cool as well. My bedroom is like a polar vortex with a bed full of thick covers.

Bump 11-23-2021 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 15973922)
If that chart were anywhere close to the truth, every dog I've ever owned would have tipped over from hypothermia. I have a German Shepherd that lays out in the snow when it's well below zero. That dog has a coat like a Bison.

My Doberman is pretty close. Now keep in mind, they have access to a nice heated garage and a covered twin mattress at anytime, but they choose to be out there. In fact, when I bring them in the house, they get pretty hot and I generally don't keep the house over 68 at any given time. I like it cool as well. My bedroom is like a polar vortex with a bed full of thick covers.

my black lab actually likes running around in the snow until her feet get too cold lol

Bwana 11-23-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 15973926)
my black lab actually likes running around in the snow until her feet get too cold lol


Every lab I have ever had, was the same way.

frozenchief 11-23-2021 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 15973922)
If that chart were anywhere close to the truth, every dog I've ever owned would have tipped over from hypothermia. I have a German Shepherd that lays out in the snow when it's well below zero. That dog has a coat like a Bison.

My Doberman is pretty close. Now keep in mind, they have access to a nice heated garage and a covered twin mattress at anytime, but they choose to be out there. In fact, when I bring them in the house, they get pretty hot and I generally don't keep the house over 68 at any given time. I like it cool as well. My bedroom is like a polar vortex with a bed full of thick covers.

Energy companies in the south/southwest: you don’t have to cool your house to 70
Energy companies here: you dont have to heat your house to 70

We set our house at 66 and my dogs have all been fine. And my dogs have also all loved the snow. They run around like mad and roll in the snow and they spread snow all over when they get inside. Of course when theyre covered with snow, they want to sit on your lap even if theyre a 110 lb mastiff (Previous dog).

Which is why this chart just made no sense to me and I wondered if it’s where I am or if theyre just off. Sounds like it’s a combination of: it’s dog dependent but they’re off in saying 10 is life threatening.

Nice part of dogs and cold weather: dog shit freezes so it’s easy to scoop and throw into the woods. And the cold keeps the smell down. Bad part: if the dog shits on the shoveled sidewalk, it freezes to the sidewalk and has to be chiseled off.

FlaChief58 11-24-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 15973262)
Just another example of people acting like dogs are children.

You have no idea. My wife and I own a pet sitting business. It amazes me how much money people are willing to spend on their dogs and how much they spoil them

displacedinMN 11-24-2021 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 15974296)
You have no idea. My wife and I own a pet sitting business. It amazes me how much money people are willing to spend on their dogs and how much they spoil them

I am not spending 1200 on a doggy appendectomy.

Monticore 11-24-2021 08:50 AM

Going to be my first winter with a dog , Shih-poo will let you know what his no go temp is so far no issues at 0 celcius with rain, supposed to hit -12 this week.

dlphg9 11-24-2021 09:59 AM

Is everyone missing the key that says

-1 if heavy or thick coat
-1 if acclimated to cold

WilliamTheIrish 11-24-2021 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15973243)
No, all dogs are the same. They don’t evolve to their surroundings. /jj

They haven’t had time adapt to our square.

Demonpenz 11-24-2021 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 15973534)
My old standard schnauzer didn't give a shit how cold it was....he expected to be walked every day.

Dogs can understand repetition and schedule. He'd let you know when it was time to walk. Miss that dog.

He didn't like the rain though. Loved the pool, lakes, rivers etc. Hated baths and rain. Guess he loved getting wet, but just on his own terms. lol

like redrums mom

meleknistra 11-26-2021 07:36 AM

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Pocket hand warmers - that's my newest discovery. Don't go for a walk anymore without them in my pocket. Found them in online pharmacy few month ago and next time will order a whole box probably. Works even better if you put those inside your gloves.

Bwana 11-26-2021 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by meleknistra (Post 15976674)
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That's my newest discovery. Don't go for a walk anymore without them in my pocket

Heh, when I was a district manager on the retail end of a national auto parts store, we were always needing giveaways for various events. I figured some hot hands and toasti toes would be some good items to put in a grab bag. I was in charge of 93 stores, so generally when I asked for something from a manufacturer, they sent it.

I called their regional and asked if he could "send out a couple." He said no problem. About a week later, a freight truck pulled up and the guy unloads two fricken pallets of product. I'm looking at these things going, WTF am I supposed to do with this! I was expecting a big box of each, not a pallet of each.

I had to wrangle those bulky bastards into my garage. I saved plenty for giveaways, gave a bunch to stores. Every swinging dick I knew was loaded up with them and I still had a ton. I finally ended up donating them to a shelter for the homeless and by God, I could once again fit two vehicles into my garage.

I wish I could say that was the only time that happened. The same thing happened with Mothers wax, Seafoam and crap oh dear, blue shop towels.

I was out of town and I got a panicked call from my wife. She said "your shop towels giveaways just arrived, what am I supposed to do with them?" I thought that was a weird question and said "just put them into the garage." Se said, you don't understand!" I got home and that load had to have taken up most of the UPS truck, case after case of towels. Once again, I was expecting a couple of cases, not enough to fill up a distribution center.:drool:

Molitoth 11-26-2021 09:30 AM

I have Husky's.


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Hoopsdoc 11-26-2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 15976754)

Same with my Bernese Mountain dog. Heck, she sits at the window and cries to go out when it snows. Will play in the snow for hours. Absolutely loves it.

Rausch 11-26-2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 15974296)
You have no idea. My wife and I own a pet sitting business. It amazes me how much money people are willing to spend on their dogs and how much they spoil them

I never understood the people who treated their dogs like kids but then I became one. Dogs are things that love you unconditionally. Dogs act like permanent 3 year old kids. They depend on us for everything.

Hell my dad's shepherd would come down stairs and scratch on the door right when he was first starting to get a seizure. Sometimes he'd still be talking normal when we got there and then he'd stare off and we knew.

I became one of those people. It may not be a human life but my two dogs are lives I'm responsible for. I hope I never become the kind of person that judges the value of a life based on how much money they cost...

TinyEvel 11-26-2021 12:56 PM

We have a Rhodesian Ridgeback. It whimpers if it's anything less than 72 degrees in here.

DanT 11-26-2021 01:28 PM

Interesting chart. Tufts University has one of the finer vet schools in the world (https://www.vetport.com/which-veterinary-school-is-best), speaking as a proud faculty member at UC Davis, whose Vet School often is called the best. ;)

We're on our 4th Samoyed, having run with them in Chicago and in Davis. As a Northern Breed, they are pretty hearty against the cold. Davis doesn't get anywhere close to cold enough to be worrisome for them, but when we had Laska and Koko in Chicago, they enjoyed the cold weather in Chicago.

That chart looks fairly reasonable to me, though. Note, you can subtract two points for an acclimated Northern Breed.

For myself, for most of my adulthood, when it was 40 degrees or so, I would put gloves on and just run in a short sleeve regular weight jogging shirt and shorts. However, during the pandemic, I've lost a third of my body mass via longer and more frequent jogs and better diet, having gone from 285 pounds down to about 190. Now, when it's 40 degrees, I prefer long sleeves and warmer fabrics. I also have to wear sweaters and jackets more lately just during the day, just to fight the chill, something I didn't have to do when I was heavier.

frozenchief 11-27-2021 07:25 PM

I think I found the limit for my dog, at least for now. We’ve had an early cold snap. It hit 0 today and is forecast to be colder tomorrow. My regular wood guy has been swamped so he’s set to bring wood in a few weeks but I need some now so I got some rounds from a friend and spent this morning splitting wood at -10. My dog ran around for 45 minutes while loading up the truck and doing all kinds of stuff. We got home and I started splitting the wood. After about 10 minutes, he started barking, clearly wanting inside. Later, he went walking with me when it was about -5 or so. We walked to almost 2 miles. Took about 40 minutes and he was fine but I did notice that at the end he was lifting one leg at a time for a few seconds before putting it down and lifting another leg. So I estimate that at about -5 or -10, he has about 45 minutes outside. As he gets older, that may change but: 1) that’s good info for now, and 2) it’s world ways from 10 above being life threatening and keeping him inside.

bevischief 11-28-2021 01:30 AM

-30 and still walked the dogs outside to do their business. And they were Basset hounds.

Chiefspants 11-28-2021 01:46 AM

Our red heeler mix from Mexico hates anything under 40 degrees. Will do his business and will be right back at the door.

Our blue heeler mix from Denver hates heat but lives for the snow.

Just depends on the dog. Obviously you want to be more cautious in the cold but growing up our border collies loved colder weather (20-30 degrees was their happy place).

GayFrogs 11-28-2021 04:00 AM

I have a small old dog and the lower part of "3" is where I have to take him out instead of him letting himself out through the dog door. It's a bit of a problem...but I love him and he's still happy and healthy enough.

Bwana 11-28-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 15978669)
I think I found the limit for my dog, at least for now. We’ve had an early cold snap. It hit 0 today and is forecast to be colder tomorrow. My regular wood guy has been swamped so he’s set to bring wood in a few weeks but I need some now so I got some rounds from a friend and spent this morning splitting wood at -10. My dog ran around for 45 minutes while loading up the truck and doing all kinds of stuff. We got home and I started splitting the wood. After about 10 minutes, he started barking, clearly wanting inside. Later, he went walking with me when it was about -5 or so. We walked to almost 2 miles. Took about 40 minutes and he was fine but I did notice that at the end he was lifting one leg at a time for a few seconds before putting it down and lifting another leg. So I estimate that at about -5 or -10, he has about 45 minutes outside. As he gets older, that may change but: 1) that’s good info for now, and 2) it’s world ways from 10 above being life threatening and keeping him inside.


That's pretty brutal for Anchorage for this time or year. Fairbanks sure, but those temps where you're at, ouch! :( Do me a favor and keep that up your way for awhile, if you would be so kind. :thumb:

frozenchief 11-28-2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 15979148)
That's pretty brutal for Anchorage for this time or year. Fairbanks sure, but those temps where you're at, ouch! :( Do me a favor and keep that up your way for awhile, if you would be so kind. :thumb:

It is brutal for this time of year. We’ve set some record cold temps this November in parts of this state. Good thing about it now is that the lakes and rivers and ground gets really frozen with thick ice for snow machine riding later. And I’ll do my best to keep it up here for you all.

Beef Supreme 11-28-2021 10:15 PM

My dogs don't give a **** how cold it is. They want to go for a walk. And they are happy to do it below zero degrees F, even if I am crying about it. Of course I take them to a nearby park and they run around off leash to keep warm. But I take them there year round, so just a normal walk for us.

Hoopsdoc 11-29-2021 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 15978669)
I think I found the limit for my dog, at least for now. We’ve had an early cold snap. It hit 0 today and is forecast to be colder tomorrow. My regular wood guy has been swamped so he’s set to bring wood in a few weeks but I need some now so I got some rounds from a friend and spent this morning splitting wood at -10. My dog ran around for 45 minutes while loading up the truck and doing all kinds of stuff. We got home and I started splitting the wood. After about 10 minutes, he started barking, clearly wanting inside. Later, he went walking with me when it was about -5 or so. We walked to almost 2 miles. Took about 40 minutes and he was fine but I did notice that at the end he was lifting one leg at a time for a few seconds before putting it down and lifting another leg. So I estimate that at about -5 or -10, he has about 45 minutes outside. As he gets older, that may change but: 1) that’s good info for now, and 2) it’s world ways from 10 above being life threatening and keeping him inside.

Damn, I bet you go through a heckuva lot of wood.


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