Reid is a terrible chess player
 

Andy Reid is apparently incapable of thinking several moves ahead. As an NFL head coach, he should have been able to quickly think through what he would have done if he had the ball at the goal line in a tie game with 2:30 to go and 4 downs to score. He should have been able to easily deduce that he would do exactly what Cincinnati did. But he didn't. And that's absolutely incredible.

Sadly, it's clear that he has no idea that his drop dead core philosophy should be, "If you're going to beat me, it's not going to be because my best player was standing on the sidelines, it's going to be because you stopped him while he was on the field."

Because Reid could not bring himself to do what was necessary - in other words, to let the other team score - to get his best player back on the field with time on the clock to win the game, he permitted Cincinnati to win that game. It was HIS failure and his alone.

It's not a question of not competing on defense if you let the other team score. It's a question of what in that situation is your best chance to win. And the Chiefs' best chance to win wasn't to stop Cincinnati. They were going to score. The question was how much time - if any - would be on the clock with they did. The Chiefs' best chance to win was to get Mahomes back on the field as fast as possible, no matter the cost.

No matter how big a steaming pile of dogsh*t the officials were, no matter how stupid Spagnuolo was in how he failed to stop Chase, no matter the holding call on the kick return touchdown or Tyreke dropping the ball in the first half...everything comes down to Reid's lack of a philosophy that says if he's going to lose, it's not going to be with his best guy standing on the sidelines.

Shut up.

Did he call the defensive plays?

therefore, we must be thankful that andy reid coaches football instead of playing chess.

Thank God you finally posted your opinion in its own thread.

Clearly, you'd rather lose with Mahomes standing on the sidelines than give him the chance to go tie or win the game with a couple of minutes left on the game clock.

Absolute insanity.

Except, the Defense DID stop them, twice! If not for the flags

You are new here so advice is needed. Without any background. We don’t know you. Coming out swinging on the coach who turned around our franchise and won us a SB is not the path you want to take.

Thank you for posting on http://www.chiefsplanet.com

davewan is a terrible poster

Three consecutive home AFC Championship games, back-to-back Super Bowl appearances, six straight AFC West titles, and yet

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And how did that turn out?

Cincinnati was going to score. Pure and simple. They did score and with no time left on the clock. And that's Reid's fault.

Imagine actually posting this after watching Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes since 2018 LMAO

Good thing he is a professional football coach not a professional chess player!

That is my favorite website dedicated to my favorite football team!

Gentleman's game....

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Does that site have an Andy Reid dedicated thread?

Ok, thank you!!!!

This is the Potato Stroganoff Hamburger Helper of threads

It's instructive that not a single reply has refuted a thing I wrote, but at best suggested that Reid is above criticism.

Does Reid make the defensive calls? Was he the one that left Chase in single coverage all game long?

Let's just assume Reid does what you say. They score and go up 7. Our chances of victory are STILL pretty low due to the need to go down and tie the game, win the coin toss (cause losing the coin toss loses the game), and scoring a TD on the first possession of OT.

As soon as Cincinnati got down to the 1 inside the 2 minute warning, we were already ****ed. We should have never been put in that situation in the first place.

Wan this, Dave.

But the Chiefs WERE in that situation, so then the question becomes what is your best chance to win. And the answer is simple. You get the ball back in the hands of the best player on the field with as much time as you can. The answer isn't to hope your defense keeps Cincinnati from scoring 7 or 3. They were going to score, one way or another.

In other words, you got nothin'.

So the guys who is thought of as one of the top five coaches of all time... isn't a good coach? That's quite a take.

I agree with you, but there is already a thread about all of this. At least two actually.

Let's assume you are right about this. And to be fair, you totally make a reasonable case and lots of people here sympathize with this post.

Who cares? What should the Chiefs do? Fire him?

Does periodically managing the clock in less-than-ideal fashion totally invalidate and overwhelm all the other good he does as a (HOF) head coach (that has led us to 3 straight AFCCGs and a SB title)?

No. So this post is about as worthwhile as the one that said Hill needs to catch the ball more with his hands.

Yes, that's great and all. But do you have a better alternative at WR?

No. No. And hell no. So shut the **** up with these dumb threads.

You had us at "hello":

:rolleyes: Edifying.

More advice is needed, assuming you lurked before posting, right? You know this is a tough place to post for noobs. Expect some shit until you prove yourself. You don’t want to go through that, you’re not going to last.

If you think Andy Reid is a "terrible chess player" it would be interesting to hear what you think of other coaches in the NFL like Vic Fangio. Every single coach in the NFL have lost a few games like the one we had yesterday: Hank Stram, Marty, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, etc.

Shall I go on?

Idk dude look at this post I quoted below. This guy already convinced me against your argument with this 5D gem of a post from less than a month ago. Check it out.

If Andy had only listened to this genius he wouldn’t have instructed Patrick to keep throwing against the Chargers and then, thankfully, everyone would have understood why Patrick, a QB no longer even defendable for his bad play, shouldn’t have the ball late in the 4th.

Stupid Andy for trusting Patrick against the Chargers. If we had a 5D chessgenius brain like this as a coach, Patrick would have never even had the chance to orchestrate his division winning drive against the Chargers.

Had the whole second half and produced 3 points though not all his fault but it is a team sport. So those last couple of minutes you let Cincy score and hope whatever happened most the second half just vanishes in the last minute? Good plan:clap:

Fangio can barely grasp tic tac toe.

The goal was to keep it a 3 point game, making it easier for Mahomes to tie and maybe win the game, albeit with less time and no timeouts.

The point is, letting them score increases our chances of winning by like a 1-2%. You're burning Reid at the stake over an incredible negligible decision when we likely already lost. You're crying over nothing.

They should hire some analytics dork to make the on field decisions. Hell, all teams should probably do this. I believe the Ravens and John Harbaugh do this - with the exception of going for two in the first half. Teams will eventually even start doing that.

davewan - JCW joined this board a full month after you did and CP has collectively decided he's a much better poster and chess player than you.

Ask me if I give a fuck what you think.

Is he a JAG or staight up bust?

Even Harbaugh goes against his analytics recommendations. There is no coach that uses analytics as a black box without considering real world circumstances that aren't considered in the model.

Antifreeze.

Drink it.

Tell us how it goes down and tastes.

Thanks

Ask me what we do to people who bypass our language filters, especially those who are clearly raging douchebags

Awww. Someone replied to you with something thoughtful and you didn't get enduring adulation on an anonymous message board and now you're lashing out.

I kinda like you to be honest.

11-5 after a 3-4 start, says antifreeze would be to sweet

Yet you thought we’d so gratefully give a **** what you have to say that you started your own thread to say shit that’s been discussed countless times here over the past 24 hours.

Douchetool.

i didn't realize how many women are that bad at strip chess :shrug:

It's certainly no Lasagna HBH

Have you even thought about how ****ing stupid you sound right now? Or how stupid the "let them score" crowd sounds as a whole?

Let's work through this because derp...

The Bengals received the ball with 6:01 left in regulation. At this point, the thought of getting the ball back should have been extremely high.

At the point of the 3rd and 27 conversion, there was 3:19 remaining. With the 2-minute warning, there was absolutely no reason to be concerned that the Chiefs couldn't get the ball back.

Fast-forward to the 2:00 minute warning and its 1st and Goal for Cincinnati. This is where the derp's really begin to kick in with "let them score" despite KC having two timeouts.

So the logic here is:
1) Let them score, putting KC down 7 (presumably) with about 1:50 left to play and 2 timeouts
2) Try to stop them, possibly putting KC down 3 instead of 7 (and even potentially remain tied), with about 0;50 left to play and 0 timeouts.

Option 2 affords the opportunity for CIN to make mistakes that end up costing them points, the game, or both while option 1 does not. It also affords KC the opportunity to win the game so long as CIN doesn't score a TD. Let's also face the fact Reid would not go for 2 if he were down 7, he'd play to tie, which makes your "let them score" mantra sound even more ridiculous.

Had KC not committed a penalty on the first 4th and goal from the 1, they force CIN to replay 4th and goal from the 11, where they undoubtedly kick a FG with 0:58 (this is under the assumption that Mixon got the ball across the goal line, which it certainly looked like, else KC declines the penalty and gets 1st down from the 1/2 yard line or so).

Had KC not committed a penalty on the second 4th and goal, they would have held CIN scoreless and had the ball with 0:50 left and a 1st down from their own 1.

Both circumstances here, that happened under option 2, should have resulted in KC getting the ball back with nearly a minute left and only down 3 or remaining tied. CIN executed the series exactly how should have been expected. Run and force KC to use timeouts, then run it again and milk as much clock as possible. The Chiefs knew exactly how much time they'd end up with if that process happened.

Reid should not have let them score at any point unless the first play got CIN first and goal from the 1. Two extremely timely penalties are the reason the Chiefs lost, not Reid's decision matrix. Following the second KC penalty, there was no option to "let them score."

And that's how I know you're a ****ing idiot. Not a ****ing sane person would let them score when they are almost assured to get the ball back with a minute left in that situation.

Your post is ****ing reeruned, that's why.

Those types of posts get mocked, not discussed.

You're effectively stating that the Chiefs should've allowed 7 points instead of attempting to allow only 3. Giving up 7 demands that we score a TD with little to no time at all, rather than just 3 points, which gives the Chiefs much stronger odds of at least forcing the game into OT, assuming they couldn't get eh 7 to win it all.

The defense forced the Bengals into a 4th down situation, which means Reid was RIGHT. Now had this shit ref team not been flag happy, we would've gotten the ball back with enough time to either win or tie.

It's ****ing hilarious watching people like you question Reid's game management when it's painfully obvious that they have no ****ing clue what they're talking about, but want to rant after the fact with their revisionist history.

Oh man, do I vaguely remember repping this noob the other night?

Kinda thinking I don't wanna know the answer...

**** me running :shake:

Correct. Long version of my same post, but this is correct.

They made the goal line stand, of course with the penalty bullshit... it wasn't until they got the automatic first down that it was suddenly a bad decision.

The thing about the strategy is the Bengals knew they couldn't screw around and give Mahomes the ball back only up by 3, and IMO that's what made it so interesting, and not a completely black and white they HAVE to ___.

If you hold them to a FG, :50 to Mahomes is all day to get in FG range... and I would expect the Bengals to score on 1st or 2nd down in that situation anyway.

It took a very specific set of circumstances with offsetting holding calls and an illegal hands to the face on 4th down to make the choice "wrong", much less extrapolate it out to the entirety of Reid's career.

It seems to me that the OP is a terrible chess player.

You are certainly a hero for your message board post and we are honestly just lucky we get to read your content.

Keep on continuously proving your doubters wrong by using your keyboard to post at a place online that is totally full of dumbasses pretending anyone knows who you are or cares even a little bit.

This is typical fan chat after a loss like we just had.

Here in San Francisco, it was all over the radio after Chiefs beat them in the Super Bowl.

Listening to that, for the first time after being a Chiefs fan for so long, it finally made sense: losing close games is worse than being blown-out. Because with a narrow loss there will be, like, five things in the game that could have changed the outcome, and they will haunt you for a week or longer (we Chiefs fans have so many of these games they have nicknames like the "no punt" game, or the "pass batted back to the QB for a touchdown" game, or the "beaten with six filed goals" game, etc.) So you try to nit-pick those things to make sense of it, to somehow convince yourself your team is still number one, and any bounce of the ball or (no) flip of the flag would have put your team on top.

Well, they lost this week.

On to the playoffs.


BTW the best player on the field only got our team to a field goal and tie game with a few minutes left.

Yea. It's not like our offense was doing shit the second half. Andy knows wtf he is doing.

ahhh dude, just stop. :(

You seem nice. :)

Remember when Bill Belichick put in Gronk as a hail mary defender and he whiffed totally and the Patriots lost?

Bill Belichick is a terrible chess player

Is this a Rabblerouser mult? Maybe some of his offspring? His gay lover? NTTIAWWT.

Because he just stares at the naked boobies?

where is the local strip chess chapter? Asking for a friend.

terrible troll job. Mult.

You have to consider the current dynamics in the game though... the Chiefs defense was getting shredded by the Bengals, having just given up a 3rd and 27 conversion AND the refs were calling a ridiculously tight game in terms of defensive penalties.

Given those two dynamics, the probability of the Chiefs holding the Bengals to 3 and still leaving enough time for Mahomes to respond was not good.

hello

Yet everyone is blaming the refs. If the Chiefs put one decent TD drive together in the second half and score 10 vs 3 we most likely win.

If KC even attempts to stop Chase vs letting him score two TDs over 60yds without being touched we win.

I was under the impression you couldn't create threads until 100 posts.

i wonder how andy does playing checkers?

I thought using a mult was a banbable offense for the “real” username? Especially to troll.

But they did stop them. IT WAS EPIC. The refs didn't give them a chance to even drive up the field into FG range.

This guy is a troll. They should take away his thread starting ability

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davewan... davewan... davewanna get his ass kicked, anyway

It didn't help that Andy was being conservative with his game management.

4th and 6 at the Cincy 45 yard line towards the end of the third quarter and Andy punts it away with Cincy scoring a TD on their next drive.

Flashback six weeks ago and Andy was calling a fake punt on a 4th and 7 at the beginning of the 4th quarter from his own 47 yard line vs. the Raiders.

Andy Reid can only be aggressive when he's up by double digits?

Andy was fine. Spags sucked. Refs sucked even more.

I have to say… this place is definitely nicer on noobs. The fact that he wasn’t told to **** himself with a ball peen hammer is a step in the right direction. Bravo CP. Bravo.

Hmmmm….

Dnt listen to this guy.
He thinks Ronda Rousey would TKO Floyd Mayweather in the 1st round.

True story.





Now go **** yourself with a ball peen hammer

3 consecutive AFCCG appearances...
2 consecutive Super Bowl appearances...
1 Super Bowl win...

Yeah, dude is the bad

Reid is KC's best coach since Hank Stram, shut the **** up