What should Veach accomplish this offseason?
 

Obviously we will try to keep OBJ and Ingram. Clark and Hitchens are probably gone.
I want Matheiu gone but I’m not sure Spags will let Veach do that. That will be interesting.

I think our #1 need has to be another receiving weapon. Mahomes went through slumps and a big part of that was the shit from Robinson and Pringle. They just aren’t good enough when Kelce and Reek are double covered.

We need to start a youth movement at DL, secondary and WR. Kelce, Jones, Ingram and Matheiu (whether he stays or goes) are starting to get old.

Basically WR, pass rush and secondary. I want Veach to attack those areas hard.

What do you think?

RT
2 WR’s

2 Edge
2 Safeties
1 Corner

Mathieu getting choked up in postgame presser when asked about his future with the Chiefs

The CP server.

Yeah, agree. This offense has been able to get by without a true #2 WR the last few years, but the time has come. We need a young ballhawk at safety, and someone that could get consistent pressure at DE would be nice.

Clark and Hitchens gone.

Probably Mathieu too.

I expect them to retain Orlando Brown.

Sign a legit scary #2 WR and our offense will be fire again. Draft one too.

Sign a few cheap veteran safeties that can play.

Get cheap ringchasers to augment pass rush.

DE x 2, WR, 2CB, UDFA RB

I want...

1) a mid round RB
2) a LEGIT #2 FA receiver who can step right in

Then spend every. last. available. resource. on this defense... watching these upstart Bengals do that has pushed me waaay off into the abyss

They got tested, and they FLUNKED

Find a real WR2. Replace Hitch. Draft another T. Re-sign Ingram.

What are you talking about? Defense did their job today.

The pass rush is not good enough. Hopefully Veach can upgrade it.

Just ****ing cut Frank Clark.

No show ****ing pussy

Fix the DL. 29th in the league in sacks. Pat was truly terrible from the final play of the first half on. The DL was just as bad against one of the worst OL in the league.

Find a quarterback that knows the ball needs thrown to the end zone and how many timeouts the team has.

Leadership should always be considered when an organization is not performing and delivering the results the shareholders expect.

What leaders are failing us shareholders?

Cut the fat
 

Bye Robinson, Hutchinson, Ward, Sorenson, Nnadi,

Draft needs: Edge, CB, DT, MLB, WR

The d was gassed after covering for the multiple 3 and outs that were performed by the offense. I doubt the offense spent 10 minutes of the entire 2nd half on the field.
.This was a failure by the offense.

Agreed on trying to upgrade the defensive front 4. Lack of pass rush was a problem in 2 games each against Burrow, Allen, Herbert.

Maybe just maybe we should consider a few coaching staff changes.

I don’t care if he gets a HC job or not. Bienemy should be gone.

One sack by Ingram, and a sweet Sneed pick

As opposed to 4 sacks and two picks by Cincy... our D got outplayed, they couldn't buckle down and hold a lead against these playoff noobs

Outmatched by raw, young talent

We were up 21-3, our boys should've been FEASTING on their mix and match line at that point

The O handed them momentum on a Silver Platter, and they blew it

1) Waive Clark, Hitchens.
2) Don't resign HB.
3) Resign Brown
4) Resign Ingram
5) Resign Ward
6) Retain Pringle
7) Draft S, Edge, WR, and whatever else
8) Hit the bargain bin for depth
9) Hit the ground running.

Why? FFS, Chief Fan.

He played like he had some 20 or 30 guns strapped on him
, slow MF

Force Andy to fire Spagnuolo. He had the players he wanted on Defense and could only muster up 1 sack against a guy that got sacked 9 times a week ago. They should be calling Fangio tonight.

Find him a legit #2 WR and a sports psychologist and he's set.

No doubt. Cincy adjusted to our offense and we did nothing to their adjustments. For whatever reason that last failed possession before halftime messed with Pat's head you can tell because he looked rattled 2nd half.

well golly gee I think we should get a nice edge rusher, keep Ingram, find another wide receiver and address safety since Mathieu is probably gone. Can we cut Frank Clark yet or is it dead money?

Ya, those things.

I like Spags. But if we aren't keeping Mathieu it might be time to make a change at DC.

Bring in Fangio or something like that. We still need to get better safety play. Get fast, rangy guys that can cover. Rams backups better than anyone we have except Mathieu.

Resign Ingram and add a few more like him. Productive and cheap.

The O handed the game to the Bengals. 3 pts in 2nd half. All they had to do is match Bengals score rest of way out. Offense kept the defense on the field 3/4;of the 2nd half... Offense was a no show again against Bengals. This offense sputters way too much

Team has a lot of problems, #27 defense isn't going to be easy to overcome in the playoffs. Clark made a lot of plays, Jones let two sacks get away that caused drives to be extended. There's problems everywhere; a #2 receiver would be nice, help on the defensive line. I think the coaching staff needs some help; our players seem to get out-schemed by almost every other team.

We need a real #2 WR. We can beat shell but it's like playing left handed.

A legit #2 brings us back to 2018 offense.

The DL needs more players. The last 2 games out best Player Jones is on the sideline cause he’s gassed.

Veach does not control the coaching staff but we need a fresh voice in there. Reid owns three huge choked leads with different QBs now. Bienemy comes across as a yes man who won't challenge Reid in critical situations. An OC can make a ton of difference to help out his struggling QB.

I don't know why #15 got rattled in the 2nd half but, push come to shove, the D didn't play the 2nd half except for the int. Some fresh blood at safety and CB is a must and an Edge is needed as well. I'm ready to move on from Spags as well. His history is a good D for a couple of years then it tails off. Fangio isn't a bad idea if it could ever happen.

Get rid of Clark, too much money for his production. HB gone also. I'm not sold on brown at LT either, he got worked at LT often and he's wanting the big bucks. Draft a wr to be our #2 or sign juju cheap. Need to rehaul of this defense in many spots

You guys are smoking crack if you think Reid is going to dump Spags at this point.

What should Veach accomplish this offseason?

Veach needs to inform Andy of several things.
That on offense they need to not ever let up or feel like they have it in the bag. EB needs to go regardless of whether or not he gets an NFL HC job.
That Spags need to go because he has not learned from his mistakes of when to and not to blitz and lateness of in game and player adjustments.

If we are retooling our defense it's worth considering a change.

Spags scheme needs elite safety play. If we aren't resigning HB we would need to find another guy of his caliber.

That's kind of par for the course when it comes to defensive coordinators, though.

Leslie Frazier had the #1 defense in the NFL. And in one game, some Bills fans wanted his ass fired.

I'm not defending Spags, only saying that we as fans usually want coordinators fired for just about any reason. Many times it's because they're actually bad at their jobs, but sometimes it's just because we're looking for scapegoats. And in this case, it's a, "Ehh... everything else is changing, so you may as well ditch the coordinator, too!"

All the more reason to just RUN the ball 3 times at the end of regulation from the 6. I'm betting they score a TD there and win it in regulation.

Finding a competent pass rush would be a good place to start. Bengals line gave up the 3rd most sacks in the league this year and we mustered 1. Absolutely pathetic. I want some guys who play hard every snap and are consistently a threat. Do we have a guy like that on this roster? Sure don’t. For all the talk about Chris Jones being disruptive he disappears games at a time. Clark sucks. Ingram is old. We need some playmakers on the D line. Let’s fix the D line first.

This teams needs new voices…Bieniemy has ran the course of what he’s getting out of this offense…I’d have no issues if Spags went too.

Cut Sorenson, Niemann, and Clark.

WTF?? How many sacks did they get on yet another depleted offensive line. It’s a given, when we hear the opposing team has a banged up OL, they’re gonna win every time against our DL.

Then Andy should go too

That's where I'd start also. Speaking of Jones, he had Burrow and let him get away for a 1st down, No way that should have happened.

Sign Marcus Williams and revamp the d-line and call it good.

Spags defenses thrive if they can pressure with 4. If not, they struggle.

So basically, they're like everyone else's defenses.

Clark and Reed have got to go. I'd like to bring Ingram back.

We need an influx of consistent defensive linemen to add to Jones and Ingram.

Also, STOP TRADING YOUR 1ST ROUND PICKS.

I don't care if we really really really just need that one huge hole filled and we can't afford a free agent for this one season. We need cheap guys on 4+ year deals. Not dudes that we have to give mega millions to in an extension.

At some point we have to just take some lumps in order to keep a team continuously built up around Pat.

I know Hill and Kelce are getting older. But this fill-a-hole shit without thinking about Pat's career AFTER those two are gone has got to stop.

Pat will have opportunities after this year. He doesn't have to win all of his Super Bowls with the same players. And we should respect that and start to adjust and evolve as new guys come around.

Would you let Nnadi walk?

I'm totally non-committal.

I think he's just a guy. he can go or stay, either way, he's not hard to get a guy that is that player.

Remove Eric Bieniemy.

Yeah, I think so. I would revamp that entire defensive line outside of Jones, Danna, Saunders and Kaindoh. And those last three are only because they’re under contract.

This teams needs depth and bad along the defensive line.

New coordinators and draft picks.

I'd sign Juju or Chark for #2 WR.

I'd sign Marcus Williams for HB's spot and salary.

I'd draft heavily on the front 7; I think one more LB and you have an elite LB corps, so you oughta do that.

I'd bring Ingram back. Wharton and Danna are depth. I'd bring Ogbah back for half of Clark's money. That and a first round DE ought to be a pretty good, and you'll need at least a run stuffing DT go in there, but that's not expensive.

I'd draft a RB in the mid rounds like a Jerome Ford.

and I'd just go ahead and sign Brown.

I think we need to get a safety to replace badger. A leader. Not sure who but it’s a need.

I’d bring back Ingram, go hard for Ogbah, look for some nice depth moves like the 49ers just did (Arden Key/Charles Omehinhu), go after a good WR 2 and draft another edger rusher and DB with my first 2 picks.

It is clear that Bieniemy is going to be a career OC.
in last 3 seasons he has had multiple interviews and has impressed no one. He has to be fired. We need new blood, scheme etc.
I have been on the fire Spags wagon so long, I have splinters. Since I am an old codger I can boldly say out with the old and in with the new.

June 1st cut Clark.
Cut Hitchens.

That right there should put us at around $40 million in cap space. Extend Hill and lower his cap hit this year.

Re-sign Brown.

Then follow Chris Meck’s plan from above.

Wtf?? C’mon man. You think we have a SB without Andy. Andy can’t make the receivers catch balls, or Patrick not shit the bed. He obviously had some head scratching calls, but Andy didn’t lose this game for us.

I’d pay Ward. He’s a damn good corner. Haven’t had one like him in a while

We are desperate for new DEs and WRs.

I’m good with bringing him back.

here's my last mock draft, just as an example:

KC
40.

Perrion Winfrey
DT Oklahoma-Chris Jones clone
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KC
64.

Myjai Sanders
EDGE Cincinnati-elite athlete at DE
KC
75.

Nik Bonitto
EDGE Oklahoma-Micah Parsons type LB; can flip flop from WILL to SAM with Gay. Good pass rusher, and can cover, too.
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KC
97.

Alec Pierce
WR Cincinnati-big X receiver.
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KC
134.

Yusuf Corker
S Kentucky-aggressive SS type; no more Sorensen.
KC
177.

Christian Watson
WR North Dakota State-6'5" 208, runs a 4.4. Doooood.
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KC
232.

Kyler McMichael
CB North Carolina-press man corner.

I'd like RB that is a threat to take it to the house, but DE and WR is more pressing I'd imagine.

Even though it's only minor at this point, we're regressing. Super Bowl win, Super Bowl loss/blowout, AFC Championship meltdown/Divisional Round near miss. If you can't stop the bleeding next year, and we don't get back to the AFC Championship, you have to start thinking about hard decisions.

The subtractions are kind of obvious. Frank Clark gone, HB gone.

Hitchens, Reed, Sorensen, Niemann.

Yep.

I think you missed the point.
If Andy hangs on to marginal coordinators or players, he is not making the best decisions for the team.
Spags is marginal and the team should not suffer due to Andy's loyalty to less than adequate staff. If Bieniemy is the play schemer and or caller, he has to go.

1. Designate post June 1 on Frank Clark. The Chiefs do incur a dead cap of $6,800,000 for the 2022 and 2023 seasons. But they do save $12,700,000 (for 2022) and $14,200,000 for 2023 season.

2. Cut Anthony Hitchens (or is it Bitchin'?). Chiefs save $4,217,426.

3. Absolutely refrain from resigning the following players (meaning, under no circumstances they should be resigned): Ben Niemann (UFA), DeMarcus Robinson (UFA), Andrew Wylie (UFA), and Dan Sorensen (UFA). They all need to hit the road.

4. Refrain from signing Tyrann Matheau if the money is too obscene. Really shouldn't be in the business of signing defensive backs on the wrong side of their 30's (there are a few exceptions, I get that).

5. As much as I hate doing this, they will likely have to resign Orlando. Teams don't give up multiple draft picks for a one-year rental. I still do not see him an elite LT, but it is what it is.

6. Do recommend resigning the following players: Charvarius Ward, Derrick Nnadi, Jerick McKinnon, and James Winchester.

That's all I can think of off top of my head.

Starting to look like EB's greatest asset is the fleeting remaining prospect of a draft pick if he ever gets hired away.

I still haven't heard a cogent reason for this argument.

We were #3 in YPG and #4 in Pts/Game while playing an incredibly difficult schedule. Chief Fan certainly seems to want him to go, though, so that we can promote Kafka. Does someone here have some inside info into why this is a good idea? I don't get it.

This but without the RT. We've proven we can manage with what we have on OL atm. Plus wouldn't hurt to give Niang another go. It's the other shit that has killed us.

I'd like him to find EB a job somewhere. Anywhere.

Get rid of Clark, HB, and Hitchens while scouring FA for fresh meat.

Find that guy who used to tell Reid when to run the ball once or twice a game and rehire him.

Draft an edge, a big intelligent possession receiver, and a safety. No ****ing RBs in the first three rounds.

Andy, Mahomes, Hill, etc. have all spoken about EB's contributions and importance to the team. Clearly, if you respect these men, respect their assessments.

Safety assuming they don't resign Mathieu
Another CB
2 DE's
WR
Speed back

Most if not all of these moves will happen.

I’m not drafting a WR early. I’m signing one that can step in.

Draft a DE and S early and then bring in a couple things of FAs.

I don’t get this “leadership” thing losing Matheiu.

Ingram is a damn good leader. Keep him. You’ve also got a damn good leader in Bolton.

/cough, . . . after today you still think the two are incompatible?

Apparently, our secondary are athletic but completely nonfunctional above the brainstem.

They need a traffic cop at safety like a Chinese fire brigade needs a whistle.