QB School: Mahomes missed two chances to go to the SB
 

Hardman, Kelce or Pringle.

He just missed them. Period.

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"When it's grim, be the Grim Reaper"

- Andy Reid


"When you're dominating your opponent and are 30 minutes from a third straight Super Bowl, be Tyler Bray"

- Also Andy Reid, probably, at halftime yesterday

Mahomes sideline demeanor was disturbing to me at times this season.

Remember this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Let’s do something special. They’re already counting us the f--k out.&quot; - <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickMahomes</a> on the sideline down 24-0 <br><br>Chiefs dropped 41 points unanswered after.<br><br>That fire ��<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLFilms?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLFilms</a>)<a href="https://t.co/tKmz7VLbSA">pic.twitter.com/tKmz7VLbSA</a></p>&mdash; B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) <a href="https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1217154066968727553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Or this?

https://www.golfdigest.com/content/d...ck-mahomes.png

Or even this?

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/wp-c...0&h=600&crop=1

Now we get him pouting on the bench by himself when the chips are down?

WTF?

Like is this all theater? That's the best explanation I can think of.

For a guy's play to drastically change is one thing. For his entire personality and demeanor to change is downright bizarre.

What the **** happened to him?

Teams leading by 8 points in conference championships are 82-3 all time. Thats some serious fail.

Mahomes has lost love for the game. Or they were paid off. Only two explanations

Honey Badger was the only person showing any emotion yesterday. I watched the Rams game yesterday and Rams were down 4 in the fourth and AARON DONALD brought the whole defense around him and started yelling and telling them what to do. Not one time have I ever seen Jones do that

A week after looking he was having the best game of his life? ROFL

It really makes no sense how in the snap of a finger he turned into a pumpkin

Thats not who Jones is. He's the life of the party in the locker room not the lay down the law to his fellow players captain.

Thats what everyone is asking. Us, the national media, other fans etc. It wasn't just not making plays, it was his demeanor, sulking etc.

He was running for his life all game in last years Super Bowl, but he kept trying. No sulking.

Did something happen in the locker room at halftime?

He’s the best at locker room basketball too

It just doesn't make sense you don't see someone played at the very highest level for 3 quarters against the Steelers am entire game against Buffalo, a half against Cincy...then literally become the worst he's ever been..like worst player on the field level.

That’s tough to watch.

Yet it happened twice yesterday? Weren't the 49ers up by 10 at one point over the Rams?

Complete and utter failure.

He deserves all of the hate he’s going to get this offseason.

Just straight up Alexian.

Sad but true.

Even Alex would’ve been able to hit Hardman there…

It was the first time he got his marching orders? :shrug:

Yeah, this will be his "LeBron/Mavericks series" in his career. Brady fans are gonna hold onto that game for the next decade.

Nope. Alex would have settled for 3 at the end of the half, handed it off twice at the end, and gone to the SB with another 3.

Mother****er...

Jimmy G could make these throws...

We don't score 3 touchdowns on 3 series with Alex to start the game though.

Alex would have never made it past the Bills. Pat deserves his share of that 2nd half shit sammich but he will get that figured out.

Pretty sure. Nothing is impossible, though.

Honestly this could turn into a downward spiral for both Mahomes and the Chiefs. Look what happened to Matt Ryan & Atlanta. A less severe version would be the Seahawks with Wilson. Seahawks choked on the goal line. Falcons choked a huge lead. Mahomes did both in the same game.

Mahomes is miles better and more talented than both of those guys, but we'll find out soon enough. No reason to project doom and gloom out for years right now though.

All fans will. And really rightly so. You can’t be in the conversation we think he belongs giving away super bowl chances. Very legacy damaging should we not win one soon. But I gave up on the goat idea after losing to Brady again and going 0-2 versus him leading to two Super Bowls for him.

Something happened we'll never hear about..not even talking about the rigged stuff but something happened.

You don't come out at half after literally going through a defense like a hot knife through butter...and all of the sudden look like someone ran over your dog.

The whole team, but mainly Kelce and Mahomes had pouty jobber face.
It literally doesn't make any amount of sense.

But, he wouldn't have scored 3 straight TD's to start the game.

Not just blowing smoke to make a point, but if I'm you and genuinely believe Mahomes would purposefully throw a game... I am OUT of here, and the NFL for good

I've been HOT about potential rigging this year, and do believe the refs can steer games to a great extent... but you simply cannot just put that on him with absolutely no proof

Talk about toxic fandom

Easily the weirdest part of the whole ordeal to me.

These guys are confident fiery leaders. And they just checked out with a double digit lead in the biggest game of the season.

There's a story to be figured out here, and props to any journalist who can uncover it.

So. Freaking. Bizarre.

I think Wilson is a better QB right now than he was during the glory days for the Seahawks. Mahomes can go on a similar path. He’s young enough to say he’s not in his prime at the moment. He needs to learn from his struggles this year and get better. But even if he becomes a better player over the next 3-4 years, the team around him will probably be weaker. A hell of a lot depends on Veach’s drafting & other roster moves.

It doesn't make sense that the man can drop it on a dime 40 yards down field, make every play and then he can't even be as good as Jimmy Garropollo right after.

Well I don't believe in the concept that Brady is the GOAT anyway (he's sucked in the playoffs on many occasions but it has been ignored/forgotten because his elite teams carried him often to playoff wins, often in the same games that he sucked in) but I've been down that road many times.

If I found out Mahomes or the Chiefs were throwing games, I would be out. Not just on the Chiefs, not just on the NFL. I would be out on sports in general.

That would be absolutely irreparable damage to any bit of faith in the authenticity of any sports league.

Even less reason to project him as anything close to a GOAT right now. 2 AFC Championships he's played incredibly poorly for a half in that greatly contributed to losing, a Super Bowl blowout loss, and a Super Bowl victory where he had the benefit of playing the de facto biggest choker in modern NFL history after playing quite poorly for over half the game.

I know he didn’t do this but the way he played in the second half you’d think he was shaving points. The QB in the first half was not the same QB in the second. I have no clue what went down.

I doubt we ever know even if a reporter digs around. It could have been something in private in Reids office or something. But, thats not Reid's thing. He doesn't yell at players in the heat of the moment. Especially, Mahomes.

And yet, despite that, it's still easily the best start of a career in NFL history for a QB.

Projecting somebody out as a GOAT is a fool's errand anyway. The guy that everyone says is the GOAT right now was a game managing joke four years into the start of his career.

100%

Hesitation is the QB killer.

Mahomes lost his confidence and stopped throwing with anticipation. I will never understand how he could look so different in the second half.

Easier ways to shave points than running in circles for an entire half. Something was bothering him and Andy needed to run the damn ball with McKinnon when it was obvious Pat was ****ed mentally.

Brady had already won 3 Super Bowls 4 years into being a starter. Might be an inconvenient truth for your narrative but it's the truth nevertheless.

It’s ABSOLUTELY ridiculous to think that had anything to do with what happened on Sunday. Do you have any idea how much $$$ it would take to make that worthwhile to someone like Mahomes? No way it happens..

Joe Montana was once benched in the 3rd quarter of a playoff game. Remember that? Of course not, no one does, and it sure as **** doesn’t impact his legacy.

This legacy talk of Mahomes is ridiculous. One more title and the parting shot from this postseason will be the Buffalo game and the motivation Mahomes needed to come back.

Sure, he could go the Rodgers and Wilson route. But I believe in Patrick.

We’ll be back.

Was that the Vikings beatdown?

No way man. Brady had 3 rings in 4 years. Mahomes’ goal at this point needs to be consistent performance on a play-by-play basis. Become the most consistent player he can be. Perhaps it will lead to another ring at some point, but a lot depends on the front office.

Yeah it’s also pretty easy to say his numbers weren’t as good because of the era of those early wins given what he proceeded to become later.

Sure was. Joe was already a 2x Super Bowl champ and playing a vastly inferior opponent, to boot.

Burrow has the perfect all American face to represent the nfl. Maybe even better than brady.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

It’s a different era. 24 hour news cycle. Montana also had a much better defense backing him and he played in the era when you could build super-teams without a salary cap.

Mahomes sold his soul to beat the Bills.

The debt he owed came due in the second half against the Bengals.

Fire at Arrowhead, run boys, run
The devil's in the House of the Rising Sun

It happens to the greatest.

That's the reality we just haven't experienced as Chiefs fans, until now.

And now we experienced that reality back to back: getting blistered in the big one, and getting gut punched at home in the AFCCG after being up big.

Tough lessons, learned fast. It will pay off in the next decade.

Did Jackson do something so ****ed up at halftime it got to him like Britney's stepfather having a heart attack before the 1st half ended then the 2nd half Patrick's play dip

This only really impacts Mahomes’s legacy if it ends up being one of several blown opportunities in the postseason.

If this is a blip, it will be all but forgotten in a few years.

If we blow several more postseason leads (and there’s no reason to believe we will), then it will stick with him as an example of him not being able to rise to the occasion.

Basically, is this the exception or the rule?

So far, it’s the exception.

This video made me ****ing sick all over.

Brady had the good fortune of playing on one of the best defensive teams in NFL history for that period where he had to do little more to win than be Alex Smith. Context matters.

Mahomes has incredible accomplishments including going to 4 AFC Championships in just first 4 starting seasons.
Winning 2 AFC Championships and going to 2 Super Bowls. Winning 1 as Super Bowl MVP.

Winning regular NFL MVP.

He also has the experience of losing a Super Bowl. And losing 2 AFC Championships in OT.

All at the age of 26.

I do think we should have won at least 1 more. But he has incredible experiences now and we need to have 2 great off-seasons in a row to keep us here.

As crappy as he played at times in the 2nd half, if he hits the TD late in regulation or in OT Tyreek is able to make the catch despite the great DB efforts the story is totally different.

Just a play or 2 can rewrite a game's story.

TikTok of Brit blowing some guy in the john?

Brady’s passer rating for a season never got above 93 until he got Randy Moss.

Quoting to show my agreement with this post.

The floor for Patrick Mahomes is still an AFC Championship loss by one score.

We will have plenty of chances to get back.

Last I checked, winning championships was a team award. I know everybody loves building the mythology of Brady these days, but he was nothing 4 years into his career and nobody was taking him seriously as any kind of all-time great.

Brady threw 18 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in year 1, 28 and 14 in year 2, 23 and 12 in year 3, and 28 and 14 in year 4. And that was with him taking far less risk and passing the ball far less than he did later in his career.

He simply wasn't that good a player in those days and honestly didn't have to be in order for those Pats teams to win. He's not comparable to years 1-4 Mahomes (though nobody in NFL history is btw).

I remember plenty of media hype about the fact he had 3 rings at such a young age. And yes he benefited a huge amount from the defense/Belichick. But he got the 3 rings at a very young age and continued to build on it.

The lack of the Chiefs running the ball more in the second half,and Mahomes not running for a first down like he sometimes does,instead just running backwards,i mean,run for for 3 or 4 yards.Also wasnt that Jones that had Burrow in a bear hug at least once,how the hell is that not a sack,just hold on to him,he shouldnt be able to get out of that.

The only year of those three seasons he even received a MVP vote was 2003. He was very much not considered to be the reason for those teams' success (and rightfully so because he wasn't).

Sure, but Brady also had his share of losses in that way in this newscycle, and even Manning’s career as a postseason choke artist has been largely forgotten in his own mythology. Even a QB like Kurt Warner is often remembered for his 51-45 duel over Rodgers despite that postseason ending with him getting destroyed by the New Orleans Bounties. Even deflategate and bountygate have largely been forgotten.

The one benefit of constant news is that it quickly buries everything in his path. Another title for Patrick and I largely expect the same to happen here.

He didn’t need to anticipate to see his favorite target Kelce directly in front of him in a direct line for the we are going to the SB TD.

Replay is on tonight... I can't and won't watch it.

he plays scared after anything bad happens

examples:

Freak Knee injury - he'll never QB sneak
Fumbled on a scramble - now he slides 10 yrds before any defender is near or runsd to the sidelines
Throws interception- doesnt throw the ball anymore

He plays scared at times and if that doesnt change that will be the difference from him being an amazing stat talent and having GOAT Brady-like status

my worry is he is Marino with 1 ring

early contender for dumbest post of 2022

am i wrong?

every time he throws a pick he starts not throwing to open recievers

since that one game early this year when he was scrambling and got stripped hes been running scared..he even said in the press conference i cant try to do too much I need to go down

and we all know about the QB sneak issue... thats why on 4th down we are snapping to TEs

Brady is 44 and does 2 QB sneaks a game and is fine

No I think you're on to something to an extent.

He needs to find a better way to move past mistakes and keep focus. He's definitely let himself get psyched out a few times this season.

What's all the more puzzling is that this wasn't a problem before this season for him.

It actually crazy to think people actually believe that NFL players making millions of dollars would risk their careers and get involved in point shaving or involved in anyway to fix a game. And somehow no one ever whistle blows. You would figure Jon Gruden would blow the lid if the NFL was rigging games. Even Mafia hitmen blow the whistle, but somehow no former NFL player, referee, coach, water boy or anyone else involved in the NFL has ever brought legitimate accusations regarding rigging a game.

Like that Steelers game, huh? :LOL:

Lmao he literally scrambled into a sandwich against Buffalo and threw an early pick against PITT what are you smoking