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Reroka 02-10-2022 03:03 PM

Mecole Hardman reflects on 2021, talks Chiefs’ future on ESPN’s ‘First Take’
 
Kansas City Chiefs WR Mecole Hardman made an appearance on ESPN’s “First Take” on Thursday. He had an opportunity to reflect on some things that happened to the Chiefs’ offense during the 2022 NFL season, share an outlook for the future and talk about the upcoming Super Bowl LVI matchup between the Los Angeles Rams and Cincinnati Bengals.

Stephen A. Smith was pretty blunt with his first line of questioning: “What the hell happened in the AFC championship game?”

Hardman feels that the offense should carry the blame for the loss to the Bengals in the AFC title game.

“Listen, we started off great,” Hardman responded. “The first half was cool. Then, in the second half, we just didn’t score. (We) put out defense in bad situations and you know that high-powered offense in Cincinnati, you can’t stop them forever. So, I think it was just on (offense) we had to score in the second half and we didn’t.”

Smith continued to ask about the offense. He wondered why the team didn’t look as explosive at times in 2021 as they had in years past. Hardman felt a lot of it had to do with the way that defenses have adjusted when playing against Kansas City.



“I think it comes with defenses changing their schemes up,” Hardman said. “Just giving different looks, figuring things out that they give us problems. I think Tampa Bay kind of started that last year in the Super Bowl with the kind of defense that they played. I think it was like the adjustment factor of like trying to figure out the different looks and all the different things that defenses were throwing at us. There were times when we just couldn’t get anything going, but when we started figuring things out that’s when we started rolling. As you know, we were on an eight-game winning streak. That’s when things started rolling in once we started figuring everything out.”

Molly Qerim asked Hardman about the future and what the Chiefs need to do to get themselves back on the right track in 2022.

“First, we’ve got to figure out the team, make sure we get the right pieces back,” Hardman said. “We’ve got a couple of guys we need to sign, a couple of guys we need to extend and everything. After that we get all the pieces together, just get to training camp and get right. It shouldn’t be too hard. We know how to do what we’ve got to do and just take it one game at a time.”

As for the upcoming matchup in Super Bowl LVI, Hardman was a bit conflicted. On one hand, he wants to root for the AFC conference, but on the other hand, his UGA ties make it hard to root against Rams QB Matthew Stafford. In the end, he relied on an old football adage to make his pick.

“They say defense wins championships and LA definitely has a dominant defense.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mecole-...194025583.html
Link to story with video.

Kman34 02-10-2022 03:08 PM

At least he didn’t say it was rigged…

Mr_Tomahawk 02-10-2022 03:08 PM

poop sticks.

KCJake 02-10-2022 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 16139192)
At least he didn’t say it was rigged…

This.

suzzer99 02-10-2022 03:43 PM

I like Mecole. He has a great attitude - total anti-diva. If he can keep building on his success the second half of this year he can be an important weapon next year.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-10-2022 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 16139192)
At least he didn’t say it was rigged…

He's not allowed to. The men in black cloaks were right beside him out of view of the camera with a live stream of his family chained up in a dungeon. If he said anything, they would have met their untimely demise.

ThaVirus 02-10-2022 04:07 PM

Has it been revealed what he was arguing with Hill about on the sidelines of the AFCCG?

RealSNR 02-10-2022 04:09 PM

Molly Qerim is the most annoying human on planet earth

Direckshun 02-10-2022 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16139237)
I like Mecole. He has a great attitude - total anti-diva. If he can keep building on his success the second half of this year he can be an important weapon next year.

That's pretty surprising about him.

Everything about his personality screams This Guy Is Going To Be a Diva, but from what I can tell he just seems to be a sharp guy with a great attitude and is sometimes a big ol' dumb-dumb on the football field.

BigRedChief 02-10-2022 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 16139192)
At least he didn’t say it was rigged…

Godell got to him.

BigRedChief 02-10-2022 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16139306)
That's pretty surprising about him.

Everything about his personality screams This Guy Is Going To Be a Diva, but from what I can tell he just seems to be a sharp guy with a great attitude and is sometimes a big ol' dumb-dumb on the football field.

Yeah if the guy could run sharper routes, he’d have a chance to be elite.

kevrunner 02-10-2022 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16139268)
Has it been revealed what he was arguing with Hill about on the sidelines of the AFCCG?

Not sure how accurate this is:

Hardman was reportedly upset over a lack of targets, according to CBS Sports NFL lead field reporter Tracy Wolfson. At that point, Hill had nine targets to Hardman's three, and the latter expressed his frustration to members of the Kansas City Chiefs' coaching staff.

Reroka 02-10-2022 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 16139381)
Not sure how accurate this is:

Hardman was reportedly upset over a lack of targets, according to CBS Sports NFL lead field reporter Tracy Wolfson. At that point, Hill had nine targets to Hardman's three, and the latter expressed his frustration to members of the Kansas City Chiefs' coaching staff.

The fight they had is all over Twitter. I saw it they were having some words.

Red Dawg 02-10-2022 07:15 PM

He's not good enough to bitch about targets. What he's really bitching about is his lack of production for contract time coming.

chiefforlife 02-10-2022 07:24 PM

Actually, Hardman was open quite a bit. He probably has a point here.

I get Patrick trusts Hill but if its not working, there was another WR open?

ARROW2 02-10-2022 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 16139192)
At least he didn’t say it was rigged…


No NFL player is going to go on TV and say that even if true. He said what he was supposed to say and what any of us would say in that situation. Enjoy the "entertainment" on Sunday

BigRedChief 02-10-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 16139381)
Not sure how accurate this is:

Hardman was reportedly upset over a lack of targets, according to CBS Sports NFL lead field reporter Tracy Wolfson. At that point, Hill had nine targets to Hardman's three, and the latter expressed his frustration to members of the Kansas City Chiefs' coaching staff.

The film doesn’t lie. He does have a point. He was wide open on several plays with Mahomes looking his direction and he didn’t get the ball thrown his way.

Fishels 02-10-2022 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 16139543)
No NFL player is going to go on TV and say that even if true(except Antonio Brown) He said what he was supposed to say and what any of us would say in that situation. Enjoy the "entertainment" on Sunday

Fixed it for you

Flying High D 02-11-2022 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16139435)
Actually, Hardman was open quite a bit. He probably has a point here.

I get Patrick trusts Hill but if its not working, there was another WR open?

Didn’t seem to carry much weight in that game.

BigRedChief 03-08-2022 10:57 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Idk why y’all be hating on me when it comes to football lol, y’all do realize I have to wait behind the best TE and WR in the game </p>&mdash; Mecole Hardman Jr. (@MecoleHardman4) <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4/status/1501337875161382913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 03-08-2022 10:59 PM

Just keep getting better Mecole. You finally proved down the stretch that you belong, just keep grinding.

BWillie 03-08-2022 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16181433)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Idk why y’all be hating on me when it comes to football lol, y’all do realize I have to wait behind the best TE and WR in the game </p>&mdash; Mecole Hardman Jr. (@MecoleHardman4) <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4/status/1501337875161382913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like a guy who isn't going to be too happy when we bring in a real WR2.

Sure-Oz 03-09-2022 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16181433)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Idk why y’all be hating on me when it comes to football lol, y’all do realize I have to wait behind the best TE and WR in the game </p>— Mecole Hardman Jr. (@MecoleHardman4) <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4/status/1501337875161382913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Probably should stay quiet. Dude should've feasted with them both getting the attention. His speed is the only reason he's still on the team

ChiefsFanatic 03-09-2022 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 16181502)
Probably should stay quiet. Dude should've feasted with them both getting the attention. His speed is the only reason he's still on the team

I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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TEX 03-09-2022 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16181577)
I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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But that, in itself, will be big.

ChiefsFanatic 03-09-2022 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16181578)
But that, in itself, will be big.

I agree. But, anyone thinking that we are going to have a #2 with close to 1,000 yards is going to be unhappy.

Kelce is a first ballot HOF player and Hill is on the path to being a HOF player. Mahomes is going to continue to make them the focal point of the offense, because their level of talent and success.

At this point, there may only be a couple of receivers in the league that could pull targets away from them, and they are all #1 receivers.


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irafreak 03-09-2022 08:30 AM

I'd like andy to find another Kareem hunt and use him. I think that would be more productive than a high paid #2. Takes pressure off mahomes as well.

OKchiefs 03-09-2022 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16181577)
I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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If a gadget receiver like Hardman can get nearly 700 yards, why would a legitimate #2 receiver not be able to get more than that? 800-900 doesn’t seem like a huge stretch.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16181436)
Just keep getting better Mecole. You finally proved down the stretch that you belong, just keep grinding.

Yup.

Hardman was a genuine asset over the last 1/3 of the season and into the playoffs. Part of it was Reid giving up on making him a true X and part of it was Hardman just getting a little better.

In the end I hate 'playing the slice' with guys, but for some that's just the only way to get anything out of him. That appears to be the case with Mecole.

And if so - that's fine. That's why a high-end #2 isn't a huge concern of mine. It's just targets that Hardman will lose going forward and I think Hardman, when used properly, is a damn efficient weapon.

In today's NFL, efficiency is the name of the game on offense. And Hardman can make significant contributions in that regard.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16181577)
I think you are gonna be disappointed when that legit WR#2 gets 55 catches for 600 yards.

Kelce and Hill get the ball because they are the best at getting open. Period. I very much want a legit second receiver, but that legit receiver will only be better situationally, not statistically.

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Over the last 2 seasons Hill has had essentially 300 targets w/ a 67% catch rate at 8.6 yards/target.

Travis Kelce has had 280 targets w/ a 71% catch rate and 9.1 yards/target.

So those guys are averaging nearly 9 targets/gm and 6.5 receptions/gm for about 80 yards/gm between them over 60+ games in the last 2 seasons.

Jesus folks - how much more do you think you can realistically coax out of those two?

At some point the math just is what the math is. Adding a top end #2 wideout isn't going to suddenly have those guys averaging 9 receptions and 110 yards/gm on an 80% catch rate. There are only so many targets and human falability and the maelstrom of the NFL will put a cap on what they can do.

The offense isn't a problem, even as presently constructed.

HC_Chief 03-09-2022 08:50 AM

We just need that third option to make defenses pay dearly for putting everything into stopping Reek and Kelce.

The running game is the obvious place to look, as that is how you punish a deep secondary focused on stopping the pass first. McKinnon, CEH, and Williams was not a bad backfield. We need to be smarter about how we use them and the running game. I am NOT for drafting a RB unless it is later in the draft. Goddamnit, Hunt, you should have just been honest. :grr:

We need a legit X or Y receiver. Reek is deadly out of the slot and can rotate outside to mix things up. Pringle and Hardman are both serviceable WR depth and can make an impact, but they are not consistent explosive playmakers. Hardman CAN be when used correctly (jet sweeps esp). What we really miss is circa 2018/19 Watkins. He wasn't a dominant #2, but he provided enough explosive plays that teams HAD to plan for him. They couldn't just set everyone deep and double 10/87... he would make them pay dearly.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 09:04 AM

In 2021 the Chiefs scored 34 PPG without Sammy Watkins 6 games in the middle of the season. They scored 26 PPG when he came back down the stretch.

They don't miss Sammy Watkins. He's not any sort of Rosetta Stone that unlocks this offense. They don't miss anyone like Sammy Watkins.

That's a strict luxury item and nothing they 'need'. If they can get it in the draft, great. Or with a reasonable contract, that's fine too. But this team has FAR greater actual needs than a #2 wide receiver.

OKchiefs 03-09-2022 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16181755)
In 2021 the Chiefs scored 34 PPG without Sammy Watkins 6 games in the middle of the season. They scored 26 PPG when he came back down the stretch.

They don't miss Sammy Watkins. He's not any sort of Rosetta Stone that unlocks this offense. They don't miss anyone like Sammy Watkins.

That's a strict luxury item and nothing they 'need'. If they can get it in the draft, great. Or with a reasonable contract, that's fine too. But this team has FAR greater actual needs than a #2 wide receiver.

You also shouldn’t just draft for immediate need. Kelce will be 33 this year. I’m guessing he has 2, MAYBE 3 years tops of being an elite TE. Do we want to gamble on Kelce staying elite? Receiver is also a position that takes a while to learn the offense, so ideally you take someone a year early before you really need one.

I’m a fan of the Pittsburgh method of taking a receiver nearly every year. Big Ben sucks at this point but their receiver group is collectively top notch despite not really having a single true %1 receiver.

KC has invested almost nothing at WR in the draft under Veach, I’m not sure how much longer that can continue.I’m not suggesting WR is a top priority in rd 1 unless a can’t miss talent drops, but IMO it should be addressed hopefully by rd 3 at the latest along with an affordable FA addition like Juju. By all means spend the remaining draft capital and FA money on defense.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 16181820)
You also shouldn’t just draft for immediate need. Kelce will be 33 this year. I’m guessing he has 2, MAYBE 3 years tops of being an elite TE. Do we want to gamble on Kelce staying elite? Receiver is also a position that takes a while to learn the offense, so ideally you take someone a year early before you really need one.

I’m a fan of the Pittsburgh method of taking a receiver nearly every year. Big Ben sucks at this point but their receiver group is collectively top notch despite not really having a single true %1 receiver.

KC has invested almost nothing at WR in the draft under Veach, I’m not sure how much longer that can continue.I’m not suggesting WR is a top priority in rd 1 unless a can’t miss talent drops, but IMO it should be addressed hopefully by rd 3 at the latest along with an affordable FA addition like Juju. By all means spend the remaining draft capital and FA money on defense.

Kelce's time as a top end TE being limited is exactly why the Chiefs should be drafting with need in mind.

This isn't Zach Ertz we're talking about. You don't replace Travis Kelce. Or Tyreek Hill for that matter.

Capitalize on this window while you have it open. If that means putting more 'need' into your early round picks, so be it.

As a general rule I absolutely agree with you - FA for need and draft for long-term talent acquisition. But we have some BIG contracts on this cap so FA can't be our exlcusive method of dealing with need issues. And long-term we won't have Kelce/Hill anymore.

It's important to consider need with these early picks, IMO.

Red Dawg 03-09-2022 09:41 AM

We need to go all in. Get the pass rush and some damn WR's.

Spend it all while we have Mahomes every year.

suzzer99 03-09-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16181433)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Idk why y’all be hating on me when it comes to football lol, y’all do realize I have to wait behind the best TE and WR in the game </p>&mdash; Mecole Hardman Jr. (@MecoleHardman4) <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4/status/1501337875161382913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

JFC Mecole stop reading twitter.

Capt_Von_Trapp 03-09-2022 01:23 PM

Don’t get the Hardman hate? He had a solid season in 21, seems like a good kid. A loyal soldier. That’s a valuable asset.

HC_Chief 03-09-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt_Von_Trapp (Post 16182503)
Don’t get the Hardman hate? He had a solid season in 21, seems like a good kid. A loyal soldier. That’s a valuable asset.

Expectations & speculation.

With his speed, we (everyone) expected him to be more (unrealistically) productive. He has shown flashes and his numbers are not bad at all, BUT we are talking about the KC Chiefs offense here. It is ridiculously explosive and expectations (hyperbole) are through the roof.

Speculation: when it appears Mahomes is passing up Hardman, even though he appears to be open, we wonder "wtf is wrong here? Dude is FAST and wide the **** open. Why doesn't PM2 throw there? Does he not trust him? Why? Did he run the wrong route? Has he ****ed up too many times and therefore our stellar all-universe QB will avoid potentially getting picked/mess up because he and Hardman are not on the same page after three seasons?!?!"

kcclone 03-09-2022 02:07 PM

Decent gadget guy when he hangs onto the ball. Good #3 WR.

OKchiefs 03-09-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt_Von_Trapp (Post 16182503)
Don’t get the Hardman hate? He had a solid season in 21, seems like a good kid. A loyal soldier. That’s a valuable asset.

I don’t see much hate for him anymore. I was never a big fan of him but it’s not his fault he was taken where he was. He’s developed a certain role in the offense that’s valuable, he’s just not someone who should be counted on as a #2. Get a competent #2 and let Hardman thrive as a slot/gadget type.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 16182567)
Expectations & speculation.

With his speed, we (everyone) expected him to be more (unrealistically) productive. He has shown flashes and his numbers are not bad at all, BUT we are talking about the KC Chiefs offense here. It is ridiculously explosive and expectations (hyperbole) are through the roof.

Speculation: when it appears Mahomes is passing up Hardman, even though he appears to be open, we wonder "wtf is wrong here? Dude is FAST and wide the **** open. Why doesn't PM2 throw there? Does he not trust him? Why? Did he run the wrong route? Has he ****ed up too many times and therefore our stellar all-universe QB will avoid potentially getting picked/mess up because he and Hardman are not on the same page after three seasons?!?!"

He was always set up for this.

He wasn't drafted to be an X. He was drafted to 'replace' Tyreek as a downfield Z when it appeared possible (probable) that Hill was on his way out of the league.

Once Hill came back, Mecole was immediately redundant. It's not his fault.

Then due to the draft capital expended on him, we tried to force a square peg into a round hole and make him the X receiver we so very clearly needed w/ that 2nd rounder. It just didn't take. And frankly, there shouldn't have been any expectations that it would. He has simply never been that kind of player even going back to Georgia.

Once we finally moved on to trying to emphasize what he can do well instead of trying to overcome what he does poorly, we got a very productive player in a secondary role. And ultimately that's okay - circumstances led to a draft pick being made that wouldn't have been made but/for said circumstances.

And we're still getting decent production from him.

Hard to really complain loudly about it at this point.

Capt_Von_Trapp 03-09-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 16182682)
I don’t see much hate for him anymore. I was never a big fan of him but it’s not his fault he was taken where he was. He’s developed a certain role in the offense that’s valuable, he’s just not someone who should be counted on as a #2. Get a competent #2 and let Hardman thrive as a slot/gadget type.

He’s fine for where he was drafted. 2nd round. He’s at least average to above average production relative to where he was picked.

Dunerdr 03-09-2022 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 16181730)
We just need that third option to make defenses pay dearly for putting everything into stopping Reek and Kelce.

The running game is the obvious place to look, as that is how you punish a deep secondary focused on stopping the pass first. McKinnon, CEH, and Williams was not a bad backfield. We need to be smarter about how we use them and the running game. I am NOT for drafting a RB unless it is later in the draft. Goddamnit, Hunt, you should have just been honest. :grr:

We need a legit X or Y receiver. Reek is deadly out of the slot and can rotate outside to mix things up. Pringle and Hardman are both serviceable WR depth and can make an impact, but they are not consistent explosive playmakers. Hardman CAN be when used correctly (jet sweeps esp). What we really miss is circa 2018/19 Watkins. He wasn't a dominant #2, but he provided enough explosive plays that teams HAD to plan for him. They couldn't just set everyone deep and double 10/87... he would make them pay dearly.

I think the most important thing is an outside WR who allows Reek to play inside when the match up calls for it.

Rasputin 03-09-2022 03:32 PM

I think Hardman can be a viable #2 and laugh at me if you want. He has made clutch plays in the playoffs. He has done a lot of good things and Mahomes has gone back to him after making mistakes. Tyreek Hill muffed a punt that cost us points but we all know how good he is. Mecklenburg can't make a mistake because of his limited targets because Mahomes will always look at Tyreek and Kelce first No matter who is #2wr.

I'm just saying Mahomes will make it hard in competition for the #2 spot and just might win it. It won't hurt my feelings if he gets beat out because he'd still be a weapon in this offense his speed can't be ignored.

HC_Chief 03-09-2022 03:41 PM

What "DJ's left nut" said.

lol


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