Who's your suggestion for #2 WR?
 

Who's your suggestion for #2 WR?

Are you...


Paying a top-tier FA WR?
-Adams
-Godwin
-Williams
-Robinson
-Becham Jr


Offering a Prove-it Deal?
-JuJu
-Gallup
-Fuller


Promoting a Rising Talent?
-Gage
-Patterson
-Kirk
-Chark


Looking for an aging Stop-Gap?
-AJ Green
-Sanders
-Jackson
-Crowder


Hiring a Chiefs Vet?
-Pringle
-Robinson
-Watkins
-Conley


Trading for a WR?
-Ridley
-Cooper
-Thomas
-Cooks
-Woods


Trading up for a Top Tier WR in the Draft?
-London
-Wilson
-Williams


Standing pat and Drafting a WR that falls to our 1st?
-Olave
-Burks
-Dotson


Drafting a 2nd - 3rd RD WR?
-Doubs
-Metchie
-Watson
-Moore


Drafting a 4th RD WR or Later?
-Rambo
-Austin III
-Gray


...Who's your guy? What's your plan?

Chark or Kirk.
Draft a WR in the 2nd-4th round range.

Chark. Maybe draft Jameson if he's there at 30. Juju or Robinson if they'll take a lesser deal

In a non salary cap world you would go Davante Adams all the way but I would look at that list and choose to try and land DJ Chark in free agency then use a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick unless a can’t miss player fell to us at 30 in the 1st.

I'm signing JuJu/Gallup or Kirk/Chark then drafting a guy -- probably midround unless someone like Jameson falls to 30 -- and also I'd probably bring Pringle back because of his versatility and knowledge of the system. Really just depends on what JuJu would want, because if I can get him on a cheap enough deal then maybe I go for Kirk or Chark as well, but I don't know if we'd be able to swing both

Hill
JuJu
Gallup
Hardman
Rookie
Pringle

I want a big physical receiver who pushes off constantly, because the refs never call OPI anymore

Godwin (dream scenario, but c'mon he's likely priced well out of our market)
Mike Williams (unlikely, likely to be retained by Chargers)
Chark - (Most promising rising young talent that could still be had on a cheaper deal)

After that i have no real preference. Gallup could be an interesting option. OBJ would've been a preference prior to his injury.

And i'd still draft a day 1-2 WR.

Youve got to address WR2 with authority. You attack the offseason with the following frame of mind:

1.) Acquire a high level WR2 through free agency or trade and draft another in the later rounds 3-5. Options: Robinson, Williams, Godwin, Thomas, Ridley, Cooks

OR

2.) Draft one of the following wide receivers in rounds 1-2 and acquire a lower level option in free agency: Burks, Williams, London, Wilson, Olave, Dotson, Metchie, Watson

I think the following options are being overlooked:


AJ Green: He's the same age as Kelce at 33, is 6'4 207 lbs, and put up 54/848/3/15.7 in his first year with a new team = much better than Julio Jones! 15.7 per catch!?!


Cordarrelle Patterson: 11 TDs and 1,150+ yards as a dynamic WR/HB + KR/PR combo player. Imagine what Reid could do with this guy in our playbook.


Michael Thomas: Yeah, yeah, the Saints say they're not trading him, but they will. They have no cap room, he hates them, they need picks and he needs to reinvigorate his career. If healthy, he could be the addition that puts us over the top. He costs just as much as Frank Clark. Boom or bust option!

Yup, best realistic option available. And aside from this ACL, he doesn't have the injury history the others day. He stays relatively healthy.

I like Godwin, Ridley, Gallup, Robinson, Chark, JuJu In that order.

Don't draft one if you plan on relying at that position. They may work out, they may not. We need 100% certainty that we will get a WR #2.

Stop this Sammy Watkins, Pringle, Mecole Hardman madness.

GET A REAL ****ING PLAYER

Posted this in another thread but it fits here.

Yes we would all love to have Godwin but he will probably be the most expensive FA WR on the market.

Also, imagine what that would do to the contract negotiations with Tyreek? Yikes.

I think we will be looking at guys like
Allen Robinson( big money days are gone for him),
Michael Gallup( injury helps money wise)
Russell Gage( might be to expensive)
DJ Chark( also may be to expensive)

Next tier

Keelan Cole
Zay Jones
Christian Kirk

Game Changer and a total Veach move: Calvin Ridley! Has one year left on his contract. Openly wants out of Atlanta. Left the team mid season for mental reasons. ALL of this just kills any value Atlanta may have had in trade talks. A late rounder is probably all they can expect given his one year of control and open desire to play somewhere else.

Just a reminder that Cordarrelle Patterson is not a young talent.

Patterson will be 31 years old next season and entering his tenth NFL season. We think he's young because he was pretty shitty for a fairly long time.

Do not pay for someone else's novelty act.

Not young, but rising talent. You're probably right though regarding replicating that success elsewhere after several unproductive seasons, but then again Andy does loves a gadget player and has the most creative plays.

^This would be incredible.

Im just gonna have to disagree with you on that one. He's a failed WR converted to RB. We need a legit WR.

I guess i need to do more Kirk research. Many are higher on him than i am here.

Rising talent? No way. 31 year olds aren't rising talents.

I mean technically he was shit to mediocre for years then had one good one, hes rising. Unfortunately hes rising into the ceiling fan.

A good possession WR that can also take the top off. Very good route runner.

A perfect complimentary #2, best performances are with Hopkins on the field.

I think the Falcons will have plenty of suitors for Calvin Ridley if his mental health checks out. He is a legit #1 receiver in this league. That being said I hope we are players for him.

He’s going to be 28 next year, has one year left on his deal and has already stepped away from football once. They may have suitors but they aren’t going to get huge offers for him.

1 top tier FA, plus one prove-it deal or a trade, if the cost is right. As far as specific players, any mentioned in the OP would be fine with me, except for OBJ.

I guess i still have his draft profile in my head. i remember thinking he was kind of a RB/WR hybrid kind of build being shorter and stockier. I havent watched many Cardinals games, but when i did i just didnt see him pop off the screen.

D.J. Chark
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D.J. Chark
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(If you know, you know)

It will be interesting. If Im Veach Im tempted to offer a second rounder. If Ridley is healthy and ready to roll Hill/Ridley/Hardman/Kelce is the best receiving group in the NFL hands down. You will be able to steamroll teams. Youve got your first and a couple third rounders in addition to your free agent moves to address defense.

That song makes me want to kill myself.

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I don’t understand looking for a top flight WR, especially if it will cost us. Your top 2 options are going to be Kelce and Tyreek. They are going to be the ones getting the majority of the targets so I severely doubt someone like Chark will want to come here especially at a cheaper price.

How many targets would this WR even get? I’d say somewhere around 3-5 a game depending on? We saw Mecole get pissed about it. Why wouldn’t someone else?

If JuJu or Green wants to come here at a decent price? Hell yeah. But otherwise just draft a pro ready receiver in the 1st or 2nd rd and let them be the 5th option in this offense as a rookie.

In 2019….Watkins was getting 6.5 targets per game. There are definitely targets for a guy like Chark to absorb.

And Hardman is pissed because he’s not a competent #2 WR. Dude has to be schemed to succeed.

Plus….if Mahomes trusts you….you’re getting targets. He only force feeds Hill and Kelce because he has nothing else and he 100% trusts them.

I think you sign a solid vet and draft a mid round wr and roll with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Veach took one in the first two rounds though

Hardman was open on multiple plays against Cincinnati. Patrick not throwing to the open man was on Patrick. Nobody else. I would love it if we drafted a young Jeremy Maclin type. Smooth route runner with speed and a big enough body to make solid catches. A Tee Higgins type would be fine too.

Honestly this team needs to spend its money on defense. The majority of the money is going to be on the offense once Clark, Hitchens and maybe Matheiu are gone. Plus we’re paying Brown Jr either way, short or long term.

We need a lot on defense. Multiple DL, another LB, multiple safeties and a corner. That’s not even counting us paying one of Matheiu or Ward which I’m sure we will.

I think Chark is about to get paid bank by some team. I don’t think we should be spending like that on a WR, especially if you want to extend Tyreek.

Watkins was getting 6 targets a game and that was peak Kelce. This is a move to absorb some Kelce targets and keep him fresh. Not to mention 6 targets here is more productive than 6 targets in places like Chicago, Jax or the Jets. You may not be the number 1 target but you will have opportunities for productive targets.

Go with Pringle. Draft this year's version of DK Metcalf where every other team's fanbase will be complaining because the took player X over the guy. Spend money on a proven FA RB which is probably cheaper than a FA WR.

No problem just let us know which one is the next DK.

I'd like to see this:

Chiefs get:
Xavien Howard, CB
DeVante Parker, WR

Phins get:
Frank Clark
2022 1st round pick


First the WR: I think a very very good possession receiver like Parker is exactly what we need. He also has two years left on his contract, 2022= About $6M cap hit, 2023=About $7M cap hit. Very easy to swallow for a talent like the sure handed Parker!

Xavien: Gives us that shut down CB we soooo need! The young QBs we are gonna have to start beating will demand for us to have better corner play and a guy like Xavien can shut down a WR while we double another. Rumors are Phins want a 1st and 2nd or 3rd. I think the value in Clark+ our 1st more than gets them that value plus extra to include Parker.

Frank Clark: YES we will either cut him or trade him because ATM he is on our books for about $26.3M in cap hit OUCH! If cut or traded we save $12.7M and then new team would get a lowered annual cap hit of about $7M! Now yes Clark hasn't played up to his lofty contract but he still has good pressure numbers just not getting those sacks. Take $7M away each of his last two years and throw him in the Dolphins defense and you have a good fit for a team that has pass rusher as a off season need.


So in the end we gain a shut down corner, GREAT hands WR in Parker and that $12.7 cap savings from trading Clark can go to giving Xavien a new deal.

I'm not willing to include our 1st round pick in that deal.

Yeah that'd be a GREAT deal. Not a a snowball's chance in hell Miami goes for it.

You don't need an elite #2 WR. You need a guy that can win 1 on 1 and make some plays. Those aren't hard to find.

My ideal target would be Mike Williams, I think he’d feast in this system and Mahomes would love him…sadly I don’t see the Chargers letting him get away.

Don't need him. You can get DJ Chark cheaper, and he's more versatile and faster.

And healthier.

As for Frank clark/1st for parker/howard. Why the hell would Miami want frank and Parker is a broke dick at this point. He produces when healthy but hes banged up a lot.

Gallup is my pick. He’s always been solid. Won’t cost any picks or a fortune

Gallup would be an excellent addition. Still rather have Chark, but Gallup would be exciting too. Still want to see them roll 3 deep at WR though, ala the Bengals & Rams.

This is definitely something that I'd like to see the Chiefs be proactive with, in regards to keeping high level talent around Mahomes. Tyreek obviously isn't old, but Kelce is getting up there and who knows what the future holds.

I am hoping that, the way this season went - in terms of receiving options after Kelce and Hill - the Chiefs realize that Mahomes can't be expected to absolutely everything every play. The "other guys" need to win more often than they did.

The problem with Gallup is the ACL injury.

I’m really not that interested in anybody that might not be able to contribute much this year.

For that, spend the money elsewhere and draft a guy early.

I would sign JuJu or Chark and draft somebody on day 2 (unless somebody falls to 30).

Pringle but he a third option anyway with travis and hill.

Pringle is old and a JAG. He’s not a WR2.

Some people here are underselling Chark by putting him in the same tier as juju.

Chark is a top tier FA.

Juju is mid tier at best in my opinion.

Braxton Berrios would excel in the Chiefs offense.

Solid possession WR who reliably catches the ball (only one dropped pass in 2021).

He also helps in the return game.

I know it's not very realistic but neither is Calvin Ridley and people are discussing that.

If it has to be a trade, why not Amari Cooper?

Chark is pretty much a young Allen Robinson imo. You could give him a long deal so we could be set up nicely if/when Tyreek goes.

We need a vet and a stud in the draft imo. I'd also try and get Sammy or Fuller on a cheap deal too..I think we need to be greedy next season when it comes to wideouts and running-backs so there are no excuses.

Ive been thinking for two years that he is exactly what this offense needs.

I watch a decent amount of Cowboy football (my late father-in-law was born and raised in Dallas). Lamb is obviously the #1 there now but Cooper was also instrumental in making Dak Prescott look good.

He has very dependable hands and operates well in traffic. I like him a lot.

Seems like he vanishes in big moments… but as the #2 WR (and essentially the #3 option behind Tyreek and Kelce) he’d excel.

Literally every single time I see his name...

Maybe but he's also playing with Prescott. I'm not a huge fan, I think he's very much a high-end game manager type.

Berrios runs about 80% of his snaps out of the slot and at 5'9'' has to be schemed into space.

He's just not a good fit as an X, IMO.

Aces as a Y and I'd be happy to have him in that capacity, but honestly that's the kind of guy you build and not buy. You draft a Berrios type in the 4th round and develop him.

He's just not big enough to be the kind of complement we need opposite of Hill. That's where Chark fits so nicely.

Same. It's kind of annoying lol. Every. ****ing. Time.

Sign Chark
Sign Mike Gesiki..dude is a wr in TE body. Sound familiar.

We become way more versatile and situational killers.

Herman Moore. Yeah yeah. He's 53 years old. He still towers over DBs and runs like a gazelle on crack.

I like Chark, trust me…wouldn’t mind him at all.

He’s taller than what I thought too, didn’t realize he’s 6’4”.

FYP

His talent is not debated here BUT he mailed it in last year when the going got tough. He is middle age(27) getting closer to elderly i.e. to NFL age which means more business decisions.

NO THANKS !!:shake:

For me it's either Chark or A Rob!! Guys run great routes getting good separation, great hands, big size, they go after contested balls over the middle and usually win and both block very well.:thumb:

Someone said "trade for DK Metcalf" and I wish that would come true, or maybe Chase Claypool? Would love to have a big body WR in here, like Ridley or Thomas, but I'd be happy with AJ Green who I'm shocked didn't get more media phrase for his efforts this last season. It's not that common to see a star WR leave his team and have similar success elsewhere.

Robinson is hurt almost as much as Watkins. And he's the same age.

I'd take Juju or Chark. Both would be upgrades and are 26.

Nobody is going to trade their best young players. It's not Madden 2022.

Dak makes them look worse a lot more than people will admit, his anticipation is shit and Lamb and cooper just get drilled from behind when they stop in a soft spot. I imagine with a qb who will actually throw him open he will look good.

Claypool is garbage

Or just sign D.J. Chark, if that's the type of player for which you're looking.

Hot take: I think Chark is actually a better player than Metcalf. He just hasn't been in a good situation.

Injuries are a small concern with him, though. Has only played 1 full season out of his past 3.

True, although it's nothing that seems like an ongoing issue, it's been little things that are unrelated.

But I think that drives his price down, making him a low risk/high reward type.

AJ Brown has missed 7 games the last two seasons. I'd still take him.

Chark isn't Watkins or OBJ.

I can't, but I trust Veach can identify this WR. What I've learned, from many posters on here discussing how the Chiefs should have drafted Metcalf over Hardman, is that identifying such a WR is rather easy and there is no excuse for not doing so.

Yeah, I'm not concerned about his injury history. His first year they didn't really use him/were getting him up to speed.

Last year, he broke that ankle in week 4. He did have sprain of the same ankle that caused him to miss time the year before, but that's the closest he's got to a chronic thing.

I think they also slow-played his return the year before, when he only appeared in 13 games.

Chark or Gallup

Personally, I think KC with Mahomes at QB is in a situation where they shouldn't need to throw money at the hot FA WR. Go find 1-2 of those 2nd tier guys that are ready to break loose. Aside from Kelce and Hill... they just need 1-2 other rising stars. No need to go get a Ridley or someone like that... and no, I'm not saying that as a fan that wants to see KC fail. Mahomes can make players great, so there shouldn't be a need to overpay at the WR position at this point with Kelce and Hill out there.