Who's the ONE guy that you just want in this draft?
 

Not like in the first round necessarily, just like...the guy you want.

For me, It's Rachaad White. The more I watch, the more I just think this kid is a perfect fit for KC, and could be had with our Poole pick most likely.

last year, it was Quinn Meinerz.

I'm a sucker for that Paul Bunyan shit. He turned out pretty good, too. ****in' Donk.

Kyle Hamilton.

In all seriousness....probably Arnold Ebiketie.

Thomas. I think the defense will go to another level with him and Jones together

I think Zach Carter can be the inside-outside DL that Spags loves.

David Ojabo DE

Are you not entertained?

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Jameson Williams
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Sam Williams.

Jermaine Johnson since I can only pick 1.

George Pickens isn’t far behind.

Ikem Ekwonu...right next to Tre Smith. They'd just bury mf'ers for 4 qtrs and it'd be orgasmic.

Brisker for me.

I think, for me, it has become Jermaine Johnson II.

I'm in serious fanboi like with Christian Watson, too.

DEFENSE! F'K WR's! DEFENSE!

We need pass rush. I want the BEST pass rusher in the draft. Anything else is icing on the cake for me. I need someone to frame Thibodeaux for like, stealing baby food or something

J Williams.

But the draft is deep at WR, DE, and DB so I think we'll all end up pretty happy this year!

Plenty of flexibility in the offseason too, and quality targets at positions of need.

Primary Prediction: Chiefs will be better in the next 2 years than we were the previous 2.

I'd prefer the Chiefs to go DE with their first pick...

...but this guy.

Yeah that's the thing for me is really trying to pinpoint an absolute "one." I just think Sam Williams is going to develop into an absolute stud DE based on his ability to rush and develop his game but I also really want a couple of other guys. If the pundits are right about his draft slotting because of what happened with his arrest last year, then he should be there at our 2nd rounder.

I could come up with a laundry list like WR Doubs, DE Thomas, LB Clark, CB Gordon, etc that I'd be equally thrilled with.

If there's one guy I don't want, it's Williams. I don't get the infatuation with spending a 1st round pick on a guy that won't be able to contribute right away, considering this team is in a closing window.

The team's window is open for the next dozen years, courtesy of Mahomes.

They have Hill and Kelce right now. We need to get better value out of our 1st round pick than a guy that will basically redshirt in year 1.

I think if you keep the roster treading water offensively, but beef up that defensive line to the same degree you beefed up the OL in 2021, the Chiefs aer Super Bowl champions.

Williams is an investment to take any conceivable lid off the offense in 2023. And he'll make plays the second half of 2022.

And it's more than likely going to cost you a piece of this defense next season.

You can upgrade the WR position without wasting picks.

There's no reason to use a 1st round pick like this. It's ludicrous.

htismaqe has already made the point multiple times in other threads. If Williams checks out medically.....then he won't be there at #30.

Exactly.

The only way he makes it to 30 is if the rest of the NFL believes he's compromised in some way. If he's truly a top 15 talent then the injury won't stop somebody from taking him before us. He's either healthy or he's not.

There's no scenario where taking Williams is a good idea.

I'm in a weird limbo on this issue because I'm on record preferring a defensive player.

I think there's two ways the Chiefs make and win the Super Bowl in 2022: the safest, surest way is by beefing up the defense, specifically the defensive line. The other way is by making the offense bulletproof: you get yourself a top tier WR and a stud RB and never punt again.

Like the pick or not, Williams would be 1/2 of the latter's equation.

Here's my issue with the second part.

If you make this offense bulletproof at the cost of building a defense, then when the offense fails (and it's shown that it can)....this team is ****ed.

If you build up a defense that's above average....then when the offense fails....you have a better chance of winning.

Now that doesn't mean that you sacrifice the offense completely but you also don't need to spend a bunch of high picks to stack this offense when there are only so many targets to go around.

Except it wouldn't. At BEST, he's going to miss the entire offseason program, knowing that rookie WR's struggle to integrate into Andy's offense anyway. At worst, he's not physically ready to play until 2023.

Drafting Williams does NOTHING for 2022.

This offense doesn't need a FA WR and a first round pick at WR to be great next season. It needs a more capable #2 and maybe a depth WR that can help after 2022.

This defense needs drastic help at DE, a starter and depth at DT and help in the secondary badly.

Exactly.

Closing window? If we draft like we have the last 3 years this window isn’t closing

Edit-3 years not 2

This team is kind of at a crossroads right now. It needs a lot of defensive help and an offense that could use some youth. Veach could absolutely nail this draft and we'd be fine but he's also had some shitty drafts before.

Okay, let me clarify. We KNOW, right now, that we have a couple of years of Kelce and Hill left. Even if the window isn't closing, the opportunity is RIGHT NOW.

There's no reason to forsake that opportunity for a future that isn't set in stone.

Furthermore, the last couple of drafts have been so good precisely because the Chiefs focused on practical picks and getting immediate impact.

You know, the opposite of drafting someone like Williams.

Travon Walker - please please PLEASE slip.

Deep fakes are getting pretty good these days. Anyone here good enough at that sort of thing to make a video of him using a scuba bask as a bong?

ROFL

He had one shitty draft. This is what he’s done since in terms of talent acquisition:

Players you’d consider giving a 2nd contract to:

Charvarious Ward
L’Jarious Sneed
Creed Humphrey
Nick Bolton
Trey Smith
Willie Gay (debatable but I’d do it)

Players who have been decent starters, but not stars:

Juan Thornhill
Rashad Fenton
Mecole Hardman
Derrick Nnadi

Players that are good depth:

Nick Allegretti
Tershawn Wharton
Mike Danna
Noah Gray (he’s gonna be good. Just scratching the surface this year)

Keep doing that and we’re good

How far does Walker need to fall to consider coming up to get him

You've established a solid narrative for why Veach has been nails as a GM. You won't see a single pick on there that even resembles using a 1st on Williams.

If you truly want him to "keep doing that", drafting Williams is the last thing he should, or will, do.

I think he actually has a solid shot.

His pass rush simply isn’t there yet, and I’m not convinced that teams are going to take him that high with guys like Johnson, Ojabo, and Karlaftis also likely ahead of him.

It really depends. FA is there to get your immediate value. I don’t think Williams is Dee Ford. There were serious concerns to Ford’s health before and his body frame was a problem.

If we got someone like Juju and then drafted him I’d be cool with it. Sometimes that’s worth it. Hell Kelce was out his entire rookie year and he’s been money every since.

It’s a case-by-case thing IMO. If the guy has star potential but is out for a year with an injury that is easily recoverable from, I’d take him no question.

This.

Look at the Titans with Jeffrey Simmons. There’s obviously risk, but you can seriously hit a grand slam.

Jeffrey Simmons didn't fall all the way to 30. Top tier talent is still top tier talent.

We're talking strictly draft....not talent acquisition.

2018 - One good player in Nnadi who has been decent as a starter.
2019 - Thornhill and Fenton are good but it took Fenton until this year to truly be utilized and Thornhill got injured (not on Veach). Allegretti is somewhere between depth and could be a low level starter.
2020 - CEH is meh and that was a first round pick. Gay and Sneed are above average and Danna is depth.
2021 - His best draft by far.

So yeah he's getting better but he's not immune to taking players that don't amount to shit. Drafting Williams at #30 isn't Veach's usual plan.

I’m just referring to taking a guy that has a serious injury and allowing them to basically RS.

Simmons plays a more premium position as an interior pass rusher, so of course he wasn’t falling out of the top 20.

I think it’s a bit different with Williams considering the position he plays and the depth at that position in the draft.

I agree that he likely doesn’t make it to 30 if he checks out medically, but if he makes it to 30 and the Chiefs take him, I’m not going to complain.

I'm not going to complain regardless of what they do. There are very few things they could do that would piss me off.

That being said, I want to see them maximize every opportunity they have. I think taking Williams is actually counterproductive in that sense and I don't see why anybody would entertain it unless they're just dreaming.

I mean this is all worthless bantering until we know what they’ve done in FA.

Which is why this is probably my least favorite time of year for football.

You deep dive into the draft and then everything changes after free agency anyways.

We spent all of this time last year talking about pick 31 and months of OT talk for nothing LMAO

Even without FA….you’re going to have guys who look like they’ll be there at 30 shoot all the way up into the top 15. And then have guys fall.

This time of year sucks.

I mean, you guys know me. I'm very much a person who believes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I have a few things I consider red flags when it comes to the draft and Williams already satisfies several of them.

I just think it's a bad idea. I'd prefer to see Veach continue what he's been doing, primarily because it seems to be working. I just see drafting a guy like Williams as doing the opposite of what has made us so successful the past few years.

Yea everybody approaches risks differently, I’m a bit more of a gambler myself, so I see the appeal in a big swing like Williams.

I get it though.

Kyle Hamilton or Travon Burks are my standouts. Granted, I doubt either fall to 30.

After cuts and walk always, We have a serious need at DE and S…probably like 3 each.

I would love to see Jermaine Johnson fall to the 30 slot.

I think the WR class is deep enough to not have to take such a risk

If he just falls out of the 20, I think there’s a very good chance that we trade up.

I think if Veach wants him….he’s going to have to. Someone will jump us for him before he gets anywhere close to 30.

Does anybody like George Pickens from Georgia or is it just me?

https://youtu.be/kHtmp4qqHKo

Yep.

I wouldn't say by any means that he's the "one guy I want," but I keep finding myself really drawn to Jahan Dotson as I do mocks. He's always right there within the 3-5 picks range, and he seems to be just a really solid all around WR.

Reminds me of when we had Maclin a little.

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No question - he needs coached up.

If he didn’t he’d be on the list for possible top 5 picks.

He just has physical tools that you don’t find past the middle of the first round. He’s a gamble, but could pay off in a BIG way.

ROFL

I guess I should have read through the thread.

I’m not sure why some folks think he’s going to redshirt. He has 7.5 months until opening day and he’s apparently ahead of schedule:

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Modern medicine is helping players come back faster. Look at Packers WR Amari Rodgers. At Clemson the guy tore his ACL in March and came back to play in week 3. He came back and was effective in 6 months.
Cam Akers ruptured his Achilles, which is a worse injury. Came back and looked good after a little over 5 months.

This guy for his ACL in January. I bet he’ll be ready for a team mid season. Maybe earlier with a 6 week PUP designation to start the season.

It’s certainly possible, I’m just talking about the most likely scenario

He's going to miss the entire offseason program. He won't be ready for THIS team until 2023. We know what kind of battle healthy rookie WR's have to get integrated into this offense. Add in the injury and there's no way the guy contributes next year. Maybe for some other team that isn't so averse to rookies but not HERE.

Draft value chart says we could trade our early 3rd (and 1st) to say Arizona at 23 or Dallas at 24 if The team liked him.

Hill and Hardman both came in and had 500 yards as rookies with far less polish than Williams coming out.

Like those guys, he can make an impact because of his speed alone.

Neither of them missed the entire offseason before their rookie season. I'm sure you are right but no amount of explaining is going to make it sounds like a good deal to me. Probably just agree to disagree.

I’d be fine with that bc he is actually a really smart guy per reports. He can still participate in camp just not anything involving hits. To me it’s all between the ears. He knows how to play.

And honestly we don’t need him to be Superman. We still have Tyreek and Kelce. Even a guy like that starting out is dangerous as a #3 option. The problem we had is that Robinson and Pringle just can’t get open. They don’t have the necessary talent.

This guys talent alone would be so good as a #3 receiving option as a rookie

If we move up for J Williams I'll be super excited, even more so if he falls to us, but I agree with others that there are so many healthy options in FA and the draft that if he's not ready to go I'd be surprised if we do take him.

Can we start a persistent rumor that his injury is progressing horribly so he falls to us? Does anyone here know how to use twitter bots to spread disinformation lol?

At the moment? Jerome Ford (5'11" 220lbs 4.4 speed) looks like fun:

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That’s my dude.

Okay…okay…you got my attention.
I saw in a couple of different prospect ranking articles where he was in the 10-15 top RB range.
That would probably put him in the 3rd or 4th round.
Thoughts?

Yeah, you've been on this guy for a bit.

I'm a fan in the middle rounds. Sure seems like the most pure explosion we'll be able to get for the investment. There may be some faster guys in the draft (and there may not be) but those would cost more than he's likely to require.

Then again, if Ford goes out there and runs in the 4.3s at the combine, you could see him sneaking into the 2nd pretty easily and I'm just not excited about that.

And am I the only one that sees a WR playing RB there? Build and running style just doesn't seem like a RB.

I like Ford in the 3rd with our comp pick but there’s no way I’m spending a 2nd on him….and I like him.

Hell…I’m not even 100% sold on drafting a RB this year.

Here's a mid-to-late round RB I haven't seen mentioned yet.

What about Tyler Goodson?

I'm not usually one to hype Hawkeye players - my Chiefs fandom and my Iowa fandom are separate (and the Chiefs are my #1 team besides) but this kid was a workhorse and game changer in an offense that everybody knew was going to run the ball.

He has the total package and I think he could be a lot of things CEH isn't if given the chance.

Yep, reminds me of Antonio Gibson (who I also hoped to draft).

Well, in mock drafts in February Ford is mostly taken between picks 90-110. Of course, there are still two months until the actual draft so that might change.

I just want a guy that looks kinda white from a distance but then when you see his photo you can tell he's not.

If we're talking RB's, I've got my eye on Jerrion Ealy: 5'9-185-4.42

Check out these highlights! He's plenty comfortable between the tackles, fast, elusive, athletic, and can catch the ball downfield!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5S8mAgSto