If the Chiefs took WR Christian Watson at 30…
 

How would you feel about that?

Depends on what we do in FA but there's too much talent on defense that meets our needs as well in the 1st to draft a guy like Watson

Not good.

Not good at all.

But it's 'talk ourselves into 60 different guys in the first round' season, so I'll allow the various indulgences.

I mean before we start doing backflips over his combine numbers let’s at least acknowledge that he managed a whopping 43 catches for 800 yards in the FCS.

Compare that to, say, Tolbert. Tolberts athleticism also leaps off the page, he played at the lower levels and he DOMINATED.

I can live with small school prospects who show freakish ability, but they’d better absolutely wreck that weak competition and he just didn’t.

And Tolbert you should be able to get in the 2nd.

Eh, he was fairly close to 1,000 totals yards, and 10 TD’s with 914 yards and 8 TDs. He’s not exactly Mecole Hardman, but I do agree that you’d wish there was more production from him. Also, don’t know a whole lot about their offense and QB.

My issue is, he didn’t really look like a 1st round pick at the Senior Bowl. Even though I like him a little more than Tolbert, I agree that it’s not a huge difference, and you could kind of see it that week too. I do see enough flashes of upside with Watson though that separates the two.

Just thought it was worth a discussion because he’s been a popular pick for us in mocks since the combine.

I'm with DJ, to be honest.

I'd get if the guy had 80 receptions and 1400-1500 yards or something but his numbers are "meh." The question to me is, why so little production with such athletic prowess in a league that simply doesn't sport many across from him that can match it?

You look at guys like George Pickens and Alec Pierce who are every bit the size and athletic specimen that Watson is and they put up the same numbers against better competition. We aren't looking at either of those guys as 1st round picks, and deservedly so.

Most of the guys these players compare to from an athletic and production standpoint have been taken in the 4th and 5th rounds in recent drafts. Yeah, this year is a little light overall in terms of top-end WR talent IMO but its strong enough I see very little chance any of them get 1st round consideration and I'm guessing 2 of the 3 end up in the 3rd, and perhaps later.

Lol I totally get not liking him at 30. I don’t either, but Christian Watson isn’t making it out of the 2nd round.

Nope. He's a 2nd rounder all day.

And for someone sitting at 50 some odd who DOESN'T have 2 HoF pass catchers and dire needs on the DL and Secondary, bully.

But for us, we just cannot take that guy at 30. Not when Pickens, Tolbert and a slew of other guys (maybe even Metchie) could fall to us in the 2nd. There are just way better plays there.

If he wrecked the FCS or stood out at the SR bowl. Or even if he did something like Tolbert did when Tolbert went off in a losing effort against Tennessee or absolutely massacred a quality 'mid-major' in Coastal Carolina.

But there's just very little he's done on a football field to even make him a 3rd round pick, let alone a 1st rounder. It's strictly measurables and underwear olympics.

Those don't work out more often than they do.

I don’t think that’s fair either because it’s not as if he’s Mecole Hardman, like I said. I don’t even think his production would be an issue if he weren’t a small school guy, like you said.

And when I say he didn’t look like a 1st rounder at the Senior Bowl, he was still arguably the best WR there.

He was already looking like a 2nd round pick before the combine, so I just don’t think that’s fair.

I do agree that as it stand right now, way too risky at 30 with all of our needs.

I don't think he cracks the 2nd. My opinion of course.

Here's a list I have yet to fine-tune but should be a close approximation to where I have guys slotted (not necessarily in order):

Round 1:
Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
Chris Olave, Ohio State
Drake London, USC
Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Jameson Williams, Alabama
Jahan Dotson, Penn State

Round 2:
John Metchie III, Alabama
Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
WanDale Robinson, Kentucky
George Pickens, Georgia
Justyn Ross, Clemson
David Bell, Purdue

Round 3:
Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
Makai Polk, Mississippi State
Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Kyle Phillips, UCLA
Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Round 4:
Calvin Austin, Memphis
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
Jaquarri Roberson, Wake Forest
Dontario Drummond, Mississippi
Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Dai'Jean Dixon, Nicholls State

Round 5
Tre Turner, Virginia Tech
Danny Gray, SMU
Emeka Emezie, NC State
Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Charleston Rambo, Miami
Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Velus Jones Jr, Tennessee

Round 6
Reggie Roberson Jr, SMU
Bo Melton, Rutgers
Ty Fryfogle, Indiana
Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Tay Martin, Oklahoma State
Samori Toure, Nebraska
Jaivon Heiligh, Coastal Carolina

Round 7
Isaiah Weston, Northern Iowa
Michael Woods, Oklahoma
Johnny Johnson III, Oregon
Slade Bolden, Alabama
Braylon Sanders, Mississippi
Devon Williams, Oregon
Jequez Ezzard, Sam Houston State
Taysir Mack, Pittsburgh
Corey Sutton, Appalachian State

Round 1:

Chris Olave, Ohio State
Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Jahan Dotson, Penn State

Round 2:

John Metchie III, Alabama
Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
George Pickens, Georgia
Justyn Ross, Clemson

Round 3:

Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
Kyle Phillips, UCLA
Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Round 4:

Dontario Drummond, Mississippi


Round 5

Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Velus Jones Jr, Tennessee

Those are the guys I'm interested in. I don't know shit about the 6th and 7th round guys though.

Reminds me of you telling me that Oweh wasn’t going in the 1st.

I’ll be right again :D

Wow. Nice work. Too much depth here to take that risky of a pick in the 1st. Looking at all these names, if a top tier player isn’t available, I hope we trade down. Lots of depth at other positions as well. We could stock up on depth.

Oweh was a unicorn. An insane athletic profile at a position that doesn't see it and the argument was lack of production. He still barely managed to go in the first.

You can't make the same argument this year because the difference here is this is a position that sees these types every single year by the handful and the metrics get proven wrong time and again as much, if not more than right.

My question really is, why him?

Why aren't you picking Alec Pierce? Similar build, similar athletic profile, similar stats against higher competition.

Why not Kevin Austin Jr.? 2021 stats are the same. He's faster.

What about your Georgia boy, Pickens? He's alot of the same guy?

How about Isaiah Weston? Trumps them all with production and on-field acumen. Same profile. Might be a guy to watch for, he was buds with Daurice Fountain and could be a hell of a mid-round sleeper.

I guess I fail to see a 1st round WR here. He's nowhere near the player other guys have been and went in the early 2nd (collegiately). Tee Higgins? nope. Michael Pittman? nope. Deebo Samuel? nope. Courtland Sutton? no. If these guys can't crack round 1, I don't know how we could possibly champion for Watson there.

That and I just think it's stupid to even want a WR in the 1st round. There's so much talent this year between rounds 2 and 4 at the position for this team to pick from, it just seems like a waste to push for round 1 and especially so if you're considering a guy like Watson there who I don't think holds a candle to anyone I have on my list of 2nd rounders sans Bell who I just don't prefer myself because he's slow.

And yes, I do just enjoy the banter and reading your points.

I never said he was going in the 1st.

I said he won’t make it out of the 2nd.

Also, I think guys that are 6’4” running in the 4.3s are pretty rare. And this idea that he wasn’t productive just simply isn’t true. He had 900 total yards and 8 TD’s in 11 games.

And when he was at the Senior Bowl, he didn’t quite look like a 1st round pick, but he was definitely the best WR there.

He’s easily a 2nd rounder this year. That’s all I’m saying.

Totally understand why you wouldn’t want him at 30, and I agree.

Have you guys watched him? All his plays are big plays where he is wide open against inferior competition. Zero physicality. Being big doesn't matter if you don't use it. Plus he still had a history of getting hurt, iirc.

If we get someone like Boye Mafe or Sam Williams in the 2nd I'd be good with it, but if Wyatt is available I'll be a little pissed

This is right imo. He's tall and fast, but he's slim and not at all physical. I don't think a lot of these guys work out. I really liked hjm as a R3 earlier in the process but absolutely not R1. In R2 i'd prefer Skyy Moore.

To me, that would mean that they sat down with the kid, threw some of the offense at him, he understood it immediately and could diagram and describe the plays and who was doing what and why right back to the coach who was quizzing him.

To me, if they took Watson that high above all of the other big, fast receivers in this draft it means he's got a freak brain like Mahomes did, and they had decided that he was THE GUY they wanted.

I seriously doubt all of that, coming from NDS. Possible, but I doubt it.

I like Doubs, Tolbert, Pierce, Pickens, Wan'dale Robinson. Those are my targets in the 3rd. at least one should be there, according to the mocks.

Agreed. Of that lot I think I’m highest on Tolbert and Pierce, though Pickens is in there as well.

Like you said, one of them should be there in the 3rd and I’d be content with any of them

I’m coming around to this argument for not taking a WR in the 1st. I still love jameson, but lots of talent and speed at wr. I definitely don’t want Dotson.

Alec pierce is interesting. I like how he fights for the ball.

https://youtu.be/ohHloup4w2k

And if you want a little wr, wan’dale Robinson is dynamic and creates separation.

https://youtu.be/J4uPrlPq8UA

Want a fast wr late?

Danny gray
https://youtu.be/1z80fzQHUNo

Velus jones
https://youtu.be/Vy7tm0eTlxU

I even like tyquan Thornton for a limited skill set. He will get killed on the press and his speed needs to be built up. His long or top end speed is unreal. Just send him on fly routes and posts.

https://youtu.be/uDNEK325GnQ

I've gotten to be pretty high on Danny Gray. He's a guy I think you can get in the 4th pretty safely and brings a skill set similar to Hardman when he came into the league.

Yeah I’m with DJ and the rest here. This would not be a good pick

Not at 30 but round 3 would be great. Even if they took him in the 2nd, I figure they must really like him.

Chiefs are taking DL in early rounds. They want to bolster the trenches as priority Vret Breach said so.

The only two receivers I would draft in the first round:

Jameson Williams
Garret Wilson

Watson I would use a 3rd on. You can get better value in other positions than him in the second.

Can you do one of these for dt, de and safety?

You’ve been pretty close to this site?

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com...rd-2022?pos=WR

Here you go bubb. Again, probably quite fluid as I go along but my current thoughts. Certainly open to anyone's thoughts/input on where I have guys.

EDGE RUSHER

DEFENSIVE TACKLE

SAFETY

Well done. Thanks!

I’ve watched DT Eyioma Uwazurike and I really want that guy. He’s probably going to be there in rd 3 as well bc he’s older.

Dude is 6’6 315 lbs and has played everywhere on the DL. Size, athleticism, production. Legit Spags project

I like him too! Big guy that offers some pass rush!

I'd rather have Wyatt in the first, and Leal in the second.

I love that kid's potential. Put him in a couple mocks earlier on. Will likely be in this year's what I want disasterpiece.

http://youtu.be/zx_RIgllGxI

This kid looks like he might be a problem. Would trading Mecole for a pick and going up in the 2nd to get this guy be too crazy?

****ing oof.

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I'd run up to the podium if Watson was there at #62.

I know it’s not going to be popular, but I just have this feeling…

No chance. Absolutely none.

Maybe in the 2nd. Maybe.

They are not taking this kid in the first. I'm not in the cult of Veach or anything, but I'll acknowledge that he ain't THAT stupid.

Agreed. You take a flyer on him as a project from round 2 or 3

Agreed. I'd be fine with him at 62. Any earlier than that though and I'd probably be kind of irritated. He could turn into a superstar, but I just do not see it.

No thanks

I'd be LOTS of irritated.

The more I've read about him, the more he's just a track-star playing football. We've seen dozens of those guys come and go.

Just hard pass. I'm not even sure I'd be happy with him at 62 - I'm virtually certain there are guys I'd like more (like, for instance, Calvin Austin III).

Just being tall don't make you a football player.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...-round-1-after

Jeremiah updated his mock after the Hill trade - has us taking Ebiketie and Watson

So you wanna see a pissed off me?

Because THAT'S how you get a pissed off me.

Lord that would be garbage. I mean just unmitigated trash born of nothing but underwear olympics. Neither of those guys are first round picks in ANY year, let along a draft this deep.

He has Ojabo falling out of the first from what I can tell. Ojabo over Ebiketie is a no-brainer and even Ebiketie stans like Staylor would acknowledge that.

And I mean anytime you can take the 7th best WR prospect in a draft with a pretty mediocre top end but a SUPER deep middle, you really should just do that in the first round.

No, no, no, no, no. No, man.

Have you actually watched any video on him? Watch, man. This ain't Willie Gault. This kid's a football player.

Now, he's going to be rawer than an SEC powerhouse kid would be, but this is not a track star in pads.

I'd love him at #50.

Now that we have 2 firsts are you more inclined to spend one of them on Williams DJ?

The mock with Watson is why we need to trade up to get one of the top 5 wrs if we have to. London, Garrett Wilson, olave, burks and jameson are in another tier from the rest of the wrs. As soon as the 4th in group is gone, we should should trade up to get whoever is the 5th in that group. I hope it’s jameson!

I do think there's a massive drop off after the top 6. If we want someone who we know is an immediate upgrade from what we currently have, it's one of those. Everything after is a complete gamble imo and you'd have to double dip to and play the numbers game

Seems like a soundly bad strategy. Hitting on a WR in round 1 is no guarantee, for starters, and hitting on after the 1st is nearly as high of a probability. Many very good receivers have come at the top of the 2nd too, so standing pat is definitely a solid option.

Let's do a case study of some recent drafts. You're going to see a trend when you look beyond the 2021 draft (its an enigma and too soon)

2021 Draft (early but do it anyhow)


2020 Draft:


2019 Draft


2018 Draft

There are guys that will go in the first due to a higher floor, and there will be guys that will go in the 2nd and possibly into the 3rd and 4th that will become much better NFL players due to higher ceilings.

Watson is a guy I like better than some of the 'top' guys because his ceiling is 'generational talent'. His floor is '4th WR, special teams guy.' So I get taking a kid like Olave over him, though I think there's a 50/50 chance you'd regret it in a couple years.

But when people are throwing names around like David Bell, I wonder what they're seeing, or basing their rankings on.

Wow. That’s really good research. thanks 🙏 That info makes me want to trade up for jameson! What percentage of athletic bama wrs bust?

No the bottom of Watson is John Ross. Ross simply outran everybody in college. Turns out he freaking sucked at the NFL level as he had no moves or route running skills at all and was injury prone.

Regarding Watson's production relative to his competition...

I thnk the fact NDSU runs so much is obscuring his productivity.

He pulled in roughly 1/3 of the team's passing yards over the course of his two healthy seasons there (freshman, when he led them in receiving, and junior, when he led them in receiving far and away).

He's not just a fast guy blowing by people, either. If you watch him, you see a man with uncommon agility and wiggle for a player his size (which is backed up by his athletic scores). He makes a lot of guys miss in the open field.

I'm not sure he's worth a 1st, but I'm not sure he isn't.

See, saying that tells me that you have not watched any video on Watson.

Watson is not John Ross, at all.

You saw all of that and then ended up wanting to trade up for a WR? The ****?

I've seen the tape.....this guy COULD be a WR unlike any WR that comes to mind at the moment. But from what I see he could easily be Jacoby Jones from the Ravens. I'm not completely sold on him as a first rounder. If he's there at our second pick....go for it


FWIW though he's on par with Treylon Burks to me

NDSU went with a two QB system for most of the year. They had one QB who was awful. All he threw was ducks. Watson is legit. He had a couple of great catches against Missouri State. He went against our All-American CB. Difference in the game was Watson.

I think Burks is a higher floor, lower ceiling guy. I think he's probably AJ Brown, which is a fine addition.

Watson is either....well, basically MVS or he might be Randy Moss.

I don't know that I'd take him in the first, but I'd jump on him in the second. IF they took him in the first I wouldn't be mad about it because it would mean they interviewed him and he knocked their socks off. Physically, the kid is a freak. If he's a really sharp football mind too, then he's much less of a risk.

This sums up my thoughts exactly.

Would I take him in the 1st? No.

But I won’t complain about taking a guy with his size and speed either. There’s enough smoke about him going in the 1st that we shouldn’t be surprised by it.

Yes, if you look at the bama wrs that are athletic and had production; like waddle, Devonta smith, jeudy and Ridley, they’ve all done very well. Jeudy is the only one with average numbers (still pretty good) and he’s been hurt and had poor qb play. Jeudy probably blows up with Wilson. Bama wrs have a good track record in league and the percentage of busts for bama wrs is extremely low. Bama prepares their wrs well. Combine the bama background of success with Jameson’s tape and yes, if the four other top wrs are gone by 20, London, garret, olave and burks, move up 9 spots to get jameson. Looking at the track record of picks from what kccrow posted, that history of average play or busts is scary. Jameson is a high floor AND high ceiling prospect in this offense with mahomes.

I agree. His tape is intriguing. He appears very athletic and super fast, but Determining his ability is difficult with the inferior competition.

Burks is interesting to me in that he’s top speed is crazy for 225 lbs. he clocked in at 22.6 mph!😳 he also put up great numbers in the sec. He’s got long arms and great size. I like burks a lot. His size is a plus for me as complement to some of the smaller or pure speed guys we have. I’m not sure how long it will take him to develop & learn in our offense. He got a lot of yards as a gadget guy at Arkansas. And I haven’t seen him run a lot of routes to see how he is as a route runner. Have y’all seen any tape of him as a route runner? Can he be precise and can mahomes trust him? These questions are one reason I like jameson bc bama prepared their wrs well and you could see Jameson’s improvement as a route runner. Ohio state doesn’t have the track record of preparing route runners like bama does either. So, even though jameson may start later bc of the injury, I could see him coming on quicker in this offense with the training on routes at bama in combination with his athletic gifts.

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I am fine with that. I also think we take 2 WRs in the draft.

Some combination of Watson, Pierce, Bell, Ezukanma, or Wan'Dale Robinson is fine with me.

This gets me horny.

Yep. Lot's of names still left if those guys go off the board in that order.

If you click on it, they have Burks going to the Chiefs.

Yep. I kind of like it. I'm not super high on Burks like he should be a top 20 pick or anything but at 29 or 30, he makes a ton of sense.

The only question I have about Burks.....is the report that he ran a lot of his stuff out of the slot at Arkansas. Can he be the outside WR in this offense?

He ran a lot of simplified route trees out of the slot two years ago, like to the tune of 80% of his snaps, according to the scouting reports.

That number was a lot lower last year. He worked outside as he got more familiar with the offense.

It seems like he's still very raw. He has some pretty elite physical traits though.

I like him at 29.

I'd be fine with him at 29 or 30. There are guys that I would be just fine drafting without trading up. I just don't see the value in it.

Now if you can trade up to around 23-24 to get a guy like Johnson (doubtful) or Karlaftis (maybe)...then fine. But I'm only throwing a 4th round pick at it.

Same here.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platf...ls-replacement

21 - Kansas City Chiefs

Jameson Williams

Alabama · WR · Junior

PROJECTED TRADE WITH PATRIOTS

With Tyreek Hill taking his talents to Miami, the Chiefs could use another speedy playmaker. Williams is coming off an ACL tear, but Andy Reid should still have interest in flipping two picks (their third-round compensatory selection and assigned fourth-rounder) to the Patriots to lock him up.

Nope. Not good with giving up a 3rd and a 4th for Williams.

3rd and 4th to get to 21.

And people were talking about a 3rd and 4th to get to 18.

Trading up would be a lot more expensive than people realize. It's just not worth it.

Assuming London, Wilson, olave, jameson and burks are gone, what “guys” are you referring to?