Kia Nero EV EX - Anyone here have one yet?
 

I'm not fond of Kia. Up until recently I have heard nothing but a series of horror stories about this brand. I vowed long ago to never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever buy a Kia.

THAT SAID

I am in need of a vehicle and I may as well get an electric one because I pay .097 per kwh for electricity and I like the sound of traveling 230 miles for $8. All my research has lead me to...

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While I would *NEVER* pay $40k for a Kia... they do have an offer where I can lease this vehicle for 36 months at $270 a month w/15k per year mile allowance. Between the monthly payments, fuel costs, and insurance we are essentially breaking even.

Most everyone I know that has purchased a Kia in the last 3-4 years has been really happy with them. It seems like Hyundai took renewed interest in their "off brand" label and decided to pump out some decent vehicles as of late.

Anyone here have one yet?

/why a lease? Because this is my first ev and this is the first ev Kia has made. Looking before leaping.

My dentist just bought one. I got a filling last week and she told me, because it was her first day driving it to work. She seemed pretty satisfied with the first day.

No, but I've heard good things.

Make sure to install a couple onboard fire extinguishers

I ****ed Billay’s mom in one last week

KIA cars have gotten much better. Never owned one but have friends who have had Stingers, Sorento, K5 and Tellurides. All very nice cars.

Would you be willing to book another appointment in the very near future and get a follow up for me? :D

So am I... thus why I am even considering breaking the oath I made to myself all those years ago.

Thankfully no reported issues of this nature on the full EVs.... yet.

That is crazy because I took my turn with his mom about a month ago and it was in a 1992 Mercury Sable Station Wagon. She must have hit the jackpot on a scratcher with the fiver I gave her.

I'm hoping that the trend continues. The car looks really nice inside and out... just a matter of whether or not it holds up. I'm fairly certain I won't be picking up the buy option at the end of the lease regardless of how much I like this car. Hoping the Ford F-150 Lightning will have a few years under it's belt at that point and I will move onto that.

Kia and Hyundai are great vehicles. More bang for your buck.

I’ve been really happy with a 2018 Kia Niro I bought last February. Been able to handle everything we’ve needed it to. We do still have a larger car with awd that has more space for cargo though

I’ve owned a 2022 Kia Telluride Nightfall Edition for about five months. So far, I couldn’t be happier. I realize that doesn’t help you with your decision about a Niro, but just my offering on Kia, in general.

Subscribing to this newsletter. Been considering replacing the wife's forever thirsty Ford Edge with this.

You do realize that Billay is into cosplaying postmenopausal women now right?

I think you accidentally had sex w/ bill.

Well feel free to ask anything because I worked the numbers around some more and found this to be ridiculously interesting. Gonna go get it, hopefully tomorrow, but probably on Monday.

If I put down $5k my payment would be $270. If I put down $7k my payment goes down to $210. I then do the math.

My payment goes down by $60 per month and 60*36 = 2,160. By putting down an extra $2k up front, I get it all back by the end of the lease plus another $160... AND I pay less per month.

This is ridiculous. Same if I go even harder on the down payment.... I get ALL the money back (over the life of the lease) plus a bit more AND a lower monthly payment.

I had these same concerns regarding KIA vehicles 9 years ago. After gathering a lot of info I came to the conclusion that this wasn't really an issue these days. We are still driving our 2011 Kia Optima. ;)

How do you get all the $ back?

All the down payment money above the $3500 required at signing.

So, if I put down $5k total as my down payment at 15k miles per year my monthly payment comes out to $270 per month.

If I put down $7k ($2k more) total as my down payment at 15k miles per year my monthly payment comes out to $210 per month. That is a $60 per month difference.

The lease is for 36 months. So:

$60 x 36 months = $2,160 (+ $160 to me)

By putting down an additional $2k to begin with I will have saved, over the course of the lease, $2,160, which is a measly $160+ to me, but knowing that I "get" the $2k back over the course of the lease AND my monthly payments are lower is nice.

I've watched Kia go from a total shit box to top of the board in reliability during my career. But I expected it. Toyota and Honda did the same.

So you're not getting it back. You're just paying in advance?

Trying to clarify as I'm currently looking for my daughter who's going away in a couple of months and I'm sick of her asking me for gas money at $40-50 pop.

Nothing's reimbursing you, right? You're just paying a larger down payment and telling yourself, you're getting that money back?

So for instance, if you paid off the entire lease amount up front. You'd physically get nothing back right?

What about the tax write-off as well? Is there any?

Would a lease be a good option for a college student @ 15k miles/year?

I've never understood leasing vehicles. I am 47 and just bought my 3rd vehicle in my life. This is Toyota household too. I would also never buy a something called Nero, but whatever floats your boat though. :) I don't plan on buying another car in my life unless there is a reliable off-road 4WD EV SUV that can go 700 to 1000 miles per charge.

You are correct... no one is reimbursing me any money. Perhaps I misspoke when I said get back.

I've never had a lease before so I really see it as "throwing away money" because I'm never going to own the car. The car this is replacing is 12 years old and we bought it new for $21k. It cost us $1,700 a year for that car (not including interest and the such).

With this car I will be, essentially, putting out $14,560 for a vehicle I will only own for 3 years. Considerably more expensive than our previous one from a bird's eye view of things.

So, my concern in this was that my putting down a larger down payment in order to get a lower car payment would result in me "throwing away" that additional money. Instead... by putting a greater amount down I'm paying less per month and saving a pittance on the price overall.

Basically I was just happy that the extra down payment wasn't just going to go *poof.

Perhaps this is just a well known thing or I just suck at math and came to an obvious conclusion late in life :D... I don't know, I've never leased a car before.

I'm not an accountant so I don't know how it would apply to your situation but...

https://www.keepertax.com/posts/car-lease-tax-write-off

I've been reading that leasing is a horrible idea for college students (well anyone for that matter) BUT if I can keep her on the road in something that is fully warrantied and doesn't have problems throughout her studies and she doesn't hit me up for gas money but maybe 3-4 times a year, I'd be happy to pay $3-400/ month.

Didn't think of the option until you just brought it up here. Thanks!

Well I was asking about the tax deduction for electric vehicles. This wouldn't qualify?

TBH, I would typically agree with you other than the fact that we are, basically going to be driving this car for the same amount of money that we were spending on a 12 year old car *JUST* in gas and maintenance.

We fill that thing up about 6-7 times per month at around $50-$60 per fill up. That is between $350 and $385 per month in gasoline ALONE.

$210 - monthly payment
$50 - electricity
$18 - per month increase in insurance

Dunno about you but $278 per month for a vehicle to travel in sounds like a FAR better option than $370 for just gas on our ancient 4 banger.

/**** me I wish Suzuki were still in the US. that Grand Vitara we bought all those years ago is STILL running like a ****ing top even if it isn't as efficient as newer vehicles are.

Typically lower monthly payments.

Some people like to drive a new car every few years.

Some people don’t like dealing with long term maintenance/upkeep on a vehicle.

Ah, no... because you do not actually own the vehicle but the leasing company does. The nice this about the Niro specifically is that they are knocking $8,900 off the sticker price to get the lease to this price. You have to have banging credit tho.

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These are much cheaper

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I would 100% commute on a bike if it weren't for the fact I work on my farm. The wife, though, cannot travel 64 miles per day to and from work on one of those bad boys.

Note that you'd get $7500 of that yourself if you purchased it. That's just the federal tax credit that they're claiming on your behalf.

As I understand it... unless I owe $7500 at the end of the year, I'm not seeing $7500. If I so happen to get a return at the end of the year (which I usually do)... that $7500 turns into 0.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

You're wrong...kind of. It's a credit on your TAX LIABILITY, not your TAX REFUND. You pay taxes through the whole year through your paychecks, and that's what matters. The refund just settles up. To confirm, just look at your filed return to see what your "total tax" was (line 24 if you file a 1040). It will depend on your income, but if you're above ~$70k or so (for a household if that applies), you'll get all of it.

So to clarify with a specific example, I "owed" about $1500 when I filed my taxes this year, but I got the credit since my tax was much higher than that. In the end, they refunded me $6k.

Good to know, thank you!

Did that $210 part take into account the several thousand that you will put down?

That's why I get Toyotas. Low maintenance output based on my experience. But I don't drive that much anymore either. I go to the golf course and the grocery store..plus summer trail riding, camping, and light rock crawling.

I have a 2007 TRD FJ Cruiser..all black with roughly 150k miles on it. Had it 15 years and soon to be 16. I could unload it today for 25k...which is about 5k less than I paid for in late 2006, which is insane.

My new TRD Pro 4runner in lime green has a 1k miles on it. After not getting a new car for 15 years...I am blown away by some of the features that are standard on vehicles these days.

holy smokes...I might fill up twice a month....maybe. At least we all have options.

Agreed. That’s why I own Honda’s. Own 3 right now and and in my lifetime have owned about 4 others.

Does this change your mind about purchasing as opposed to leasing?

Had to get a rental car last week and got this. I love it. Very spacious in the back so the kids arent complaining. I wasnt sure about ever getting an EV but driving this has been lovely and Id strongly consider it now. The only drawback is I live out in the middle of nowhere on a private gravel road. There is a pretty steep hill and the front wheel drive does not like the combo of gravel and hill. I should try it in sport mode or something other then economy.
Oh I should add that I dont have an ev charger or anything. I plug it into a regular outlet in the garage. This charges slowly, trickle, and I get about 5 miles per hour plugged in and doesnt really keep up with the daily driving. That being said there are a lot of chargers out there in the wild and to charge from 20% to 90ish takes about 30 mins and about 5 bucks.

Not this time around. EV is still relatively new technology and the Niro is still in year 1 of gen 1. Nothing short of an absolute miracle would make me keep this car but I will want that sweet sweet, even if only short term, savings.

That said... don't deal with Kia in Manhattan. The sales manager there named Don is a ****ing asshole.

Don, if you happen to be a planeteer. I ****ing hate you dude.

While talking to a Bank of America loan dude I mentioned buying a new rig to Uber with. He well give you $ for anything but a Kia, lol.

I do own several Arrma Neroes but not a Kia, lol.

Holy shit what a ****ing ordeal this has been so far. Man oh man... their cars better function better than their employees do.

Most dealers I called didn't have the car. No worries there... that is understandable.

3 dealers had a "market price adjustment" markup of $3k that was not reflected on their websites. That annoyed me but whatever.

Then we get to Don at Manhattan Kia. I say again... **** THAT GUY. I literally got in a yelling match with that asshole because he constantly talked over me and did everything short of call me a liar in regards to Kia offering that lease option.

I then called Kia to confirm that this offer even existed because Don stated that the problem must be on Kia's side. That went absolutely nowhere after 2 hours.

I called another dealership (Anderson Kia in St. Joe) who had a car in stock and the dipshit there told me that I would have to come up with the $7,500 money up front from the tax rebate and I would get that back from the government later. I paused, reminded him that I don't own the car on a lease... the leasing company does therefore I don't get the rebate. I heard silence on the other end of the line and then "yeah, that's just how it is". *insert price is right fail horn* Not wanting to argue with yet another salesperson about this I simply thanked him and hung up.

I started calling dealerships in St. Louis and landed on Jim Butler Kia where I talked to a dude named Rex. I explained my situation:

* First I asked him if he had any Nero EVs and lucky for me... there is one coming on the truck and it arrives tomorrow or Monday.

* Second I asked him for his mobile number so I could text him the offer from Kia and explained that I have hit brick wall after brick wall on this and just needed to know if his dealership would honor the offer at the price I had built out. He read gave it a first glance and said it looked good, kept reading, then hit that same spot about the fed tax rebate. Asked me to hang on while he talked to the manager.

He comes back and tells me that it is solid, explained that the rebate offer was EXACTLY as I anticipated, and let me put down a deposit on the vehicle. We may get it as early as tomorrow and as late as Monday.

HUZZAH!!!!!!

If you are gonna get this car... **** every last dealership in Kansas City and the immediate surrounding area. Hit up Jim Butler KIA in St. Louis and ask for Rex.

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I will update this thread with either photos of the vehicle or a rant about how KIA ****ed me yet again.

Dealerships are really tough to work with right now due to all of the shortages, and I've found that most of them have very little idea of what to do with EVs. It's getting better, but it definitely requires knowing your shit.

Good luck on everything going through without a hitch!

Good for you for sticking to your guns.

This whole ev push is a joke, lol.

95% of households don't have sufficient wiring to charge one overnight.
Portable or out in the boonies chargers are powered by diesel generators.
Oh, and let's keep punching damns in the nw, lol.
Windmills have 20 yeaar expectations, non recyclable.
Entire w m farms power a town of 1300-1500. That's what the Vesta techs told me, lol.
Maintenance is high $$, crane rental boys, lol. And they look like shit all over out here.

There needs to be a balance yes, but I don't get it, lol.

I'd respond to this, but there's so much wrong with it I don't know where to start.

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You don’t understand the push? Haven’t noticed the price of gas over the past few months?

Of course I do. It's what this administration wants.

I'm just trying to figure out where we're getting all this electricity for an ev world, lol.
No coal, no nuclear. They haven't figured out hydrogen yet.

Yall want electric but wanna destroy how it's produced is comical.

How many of you work or worked in the field, lol.

It was California using diesel generators.
Regardless the power doesn't just produce itself. Third of our power is coal.

Have you heard of this thing called...

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I will be installing solar panels on the house and on the shop (which will be ready for the EV in a few days) which will power my vehicle along with the majority of my in home use.

Good for you.

I've been looking into panels for my south side.
The panels are great when the sun's shining otherwise you're investing in bigger storage batteries. Not ideal for all of the country.

We'll see in 20 years, lol.

I see you're the op. Not crapping on your post man, congrats.
I just don't get their thinking right now.

We're not hearing about the nw punching damns anymore so I guess the huggers quit caring about Salmon, lol.

The new long distance Tesla can't even be fully charged in a weekend. Musk is developing power packs to help with that so we'll see...

Relax. We will be fine. It’s not like every car on the road is just going to magically become an EV. Gasoline powered cars will be around a looooong time. Lots of people still love the internal combustion engine and alway will.

My roof has a heavy slant and one side faces east, the other west, and there is not a single thing between it and the sky other than the occasional cloud... as I live out in the country. Literally middle of nowhere Missouri.

I expect I will be using the local electricity coop I currently use for my power needs as the battery. Anything that I don't use during the day that the panels collect gets fed into their system and I have a built in "credit" for usage during the night.

Eventually I will move to a battery system but not until that technology gets better. As for tree hugging... that ain't me son. I care about the environment and all but I'm currently more concerned with how this affects my bottom line.

No worries on the crapping on the thread or what not... you are welcome to state your opinion. I get your position though I don't know that it is all based on current tech.

Where are you even getting this stuff? The longest-range Teslas out there charge in about 12 hours on a standard 220v charger. I suppose if you're wanting to just charge it on a 110v outlet it might take the whole weekend, but no one's going to spend $80k on a car and then refuse to pay the extra $750 to have a home charger installed.

I think it's Australia that a millionaire built a huge solar farm and plans to sell the power to China. Underground cable and all.

Finland is finishing up building a nuclear plant that self disposes the waste that the rest of the world's watching.

China is going nuts building nuclear plants. I read 7-8 are currently being built.


I just hope if a tornado comes thru all my shits charged, lol.



I never edited my original post.
"There needs to be a balance." Instead of eliminating fossil fuels.
Car companies are phazing out fossil fuel rigs, just a fact.

Trust me. I had to buy a bigger AH battery for my little scooter to.keep.from driving my daily driver.

The NEW long distance Tesla.
It's not available yet, lol.

I damn sure can't afford an $80k ev and then I gotta worry about my ancient wiring in my house to support 220v Tesla supercharger.
But I if went 120v in my old crib, it's almost 109 hours to charge one of Teslas models. Check Teslas site.

We're not all made of money.

I hate to tell you this, but if you're too poor to install a 220v charger, you're not in the target market for an ultra long range Tesla.

I hope that made you feel good about yourself, lol.

I don't believe DaFace was taking a jab at your financial state.

What he is saying is that while yes, you are *technically* correct that it takes a lifetime to charge from a 120v BUT... if someone has enough dough to spend on an $80k car then they probably not only have the extra $700 it costs to install the 220 outlet and purchase the charger... they also probably live in a home that has wiring which can support 220v.

In my case, it would take 2.5 days to charge from flat to full on this EV I'm trying to buy on the 110 charger and that is not a workable solution for me so I'm forced into the 220. While I'm not made of money, I live on a farm and getting the appropriate 14-50 plug installed isn't a big hill to surmount for me and I needed one anyway.

Would you even need the range afforded by that new long range Tesla?

How about the new Rav4 that pairs a 4cyl engine with electric motors that puts out about 45 miles before the battery is gone. Charges to full over 12 hours on 110 and there is a gas engine that takes over completely when the charge is gone and does something like 44MPG. Overall range is 300+ miles.

Unless you live 20 minutes away from town like I do or drive a large amount of miles in a single day... the battery aspect of this Toyota would likely take care of all your errands and likely the majority of your drive into work, or if you don't work, your drive to do whatever you spend your days doing.

Exactly. It's like criticizing the existence of vans because most houses don't have the room to store an RV.

The car is pretty damn neat. I forget that tax, title, tag and shit adds like $60 a month to a car payment... but worked it out. Got it home, getting my 220v outlet put in this week, I've got enough charge on it to last through the week without having to go and sit in the Walmart parking lot for 4 hours on the public level 2 charger.

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The car is not Tesla fast where you get thrown into the seat upon acceleration BUT in sport mode it will gently push you into the seat upon acceleration. The seats are comfortable enough. Adaptive cruise control was nice and it has steering assist which is nice on long drives on the highway but still freaks me the **** out.

The car is considerably smaller than the previous one (Suzuki Grand Vitara)... it is basically a hatchback that sits high.

Nice car! Happy you were able to close the deal.

Nice! I definitely love the ACC and lane assist (not that those are exclusive to EVs). They definitely help on long road trips or when you're in slow moving traffic. Looks like a fun little car.

I find them both annoying. Our ACC is way too sensitive and it slows the car jarringly at times. The lane assist is also too sensitive so the car is constantly beeping at me over nothing.

I have steering assist on my Accord. Hated it. Disabled it

Are you buying strictly for the gas mileage? Electric cars aren't nearly as green as people think.

I've had bad experiences with KIAs but I guess the quality has improved quite a bit?

I had a KIA Rio 4 door back in 2003 and it was a piece. It was also the most base model they had (it didn't come with power steering lol). it for some reason ate spark plugs. it did get really good gas mileage tho

Congrats on getting the right deal. Buying a car these days for the price you want and the car you want is like buying a house and you are the agent. You gotta work for that shit.

I don't care about the environment at all. I will dunk a baby seal in oil. Rahh I'm crazy. I just want this nation to become less dependent on oil, and it's way less cost for ownership and for use than gas.

There are definitely wide variances in how natural they feel. I had ACC on a rental a few years back and hated it, but I really like it on the RAV4P. You do still occasionally find yourself behind a slow car without realizing it, but overall it does a nice job. And again, the place where I like it the best is in traffic where I can just kind of set it and let it do its thing rather than constantly going back and forth between the brake and accelerator.

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Regarding the acceleration, I'm guessing the Niro is about in line with the Leaf. You're right that it won't wow any Tesla enthusiasts, but it's plenty zippy for what you actually need when driving around.

Out of curiosity, does the Niro do one-pedal driving? I miss not having that on my RAV4P.

While we provide a fairly large percentage of our own oil, far too much of our oil comes from nations who hate us.

I look forward to buying an EV when I need a new car next.

This is why I'm going with an EV.

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At 24MPG, it would take 10 gallons of gasoline which would cost about $36-38.

Add in the fact that maintenance expenses are going to drop as well... it is a no brainer for us.

We do a lot of interstate driving. In town, ACC is a lot more tolerable. On the interstate, it's terrible.

The big problem is that you can't turn it off. If CC is on, safety measures are on. You can't enable CC and shut off the ACC, it's all or nothing.

Eww, that sucks. Mine has the option to do it either way (CC vs. ACC). Though admittedly I've never turned it off.

Not on the Niro!

It's the nuanced part of the discussion that I think people have missed out on. 10 years ago, there was SOME truth to the notion that EVs and solar panels were too expensive to compensate for the cost savings, and SOME truth to the idea that they weren't as environmentally friendly as they sound on the surface.

Since then, the costs and environmental impacts have declined rapidly while the efficiency has steadily improved, and they likely will continue those trends for at least the next 5-10 years. EVs and solar panels are no longer the realm of wealthy tree huggers - they're just plain economical for a majority of situations.

Really, if it weren't for the issue of charging on long drives, there would be very few legit arguments for ICE vehicles at all at this point. Unfortunately, that's a very tough one to solve for.

Yeah, on ours the distance control has 3 settings for distance by no "off" setting.

To be honest, the solution to ICE vehicles, and vehicle costs in general, is to not drive. Unfortunately, as you said, the problem is distance, especially once you get past the east or west costs.

In Europe, I could go anywhere I wanted without ever setting foot in a car. Can't do that here, it's simply not practical unless you live in a major metro.

I think you're car is trying to tell you that you're a bad driver. ROFL