Why did Miami do this deal?
 

Yes, most of us don’t care about other teams. But if you do, explain their rationale. It doesn’t make any sense on its face. You never say never in the NFL but does anyone think they can possibly win the division over Buffalo? Does anyone think this makes them better than NE?


1). BetUS moves Miami all the way up to 11th in the AFC, tied with Vegas at +3500 to win the SB. The Chiefs didn’t even budge, going from +800 to +850:
https://www.betus.com.pa/miscellaneo...k&promo=FLURRY

2). Vegas Insider puts them at 17th now to win SB:
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/


This means they’re still a few slots away from even getting a WC road game. And they gave up a lot of draft capital and salary for the privilege. If Indy or Arizona or Dallas etc did this deal it makes sense.


Are they just desperate to make a splash?

I can't believe the money they're giving him

Good question. They're not a legit SB contender. They're #3 in their own division. Their QB has a history of injuries. It's a dumb trade to mortgage their future for a non-QB. They also just fired their coach and had controversy around that move.

And yes the contract they're paying him doesn't help them.

They've been a Mickey Mouse organization for a long time now.

It sucks losing Tyreek but it's hard to believe Miami won this trade. Maybe other AFC contenders won this trade. But not Miami.

Because they have a QB that requires elite talent around him to have any chance at all of winning anything significant.

Best explanation I've heard is that the coach is from San Fran and wants Tyreek to be their Deebo Samuel.

They are at least trying to make a race out of it with this trade.

It’s the only way to try and overcome the difference between Tua and Allen.

Gotta push those season tickets sales higher

100% this. They haven't won a playoff game in over 20 years.

Take a look at their most recent seasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lphins_seasons

They've been hovering between 6-10 and 10-6 damn near every season since the turn of the century. They're basically the kings of going 9-7/10-6 and missing the playoffs.

They've got a QB they're committed to and zero star power. Why not use that cap space on a guy like Hill who could potentially help develop their QB and bring the franchise its first playoff win since before the Patriots dynasty started? By the time Waddle's extension comes around, they should be able to get out from under Hill's contract if they need to.

Because they have a QB on a rookie contract, and as we know, that's your best opportunity to strike. They're going all in on their your QB and hoping for the best, even if they have their doubts.

I'm an idiot but my guess would be he's a star player who has made big plays for the Chiefs in the past so at the very least he's exciting to watch. You might not win your division but at least you'll get eyeballs and ad dollars and maybe sell a few tickets

Funny our counterparts in the West traded premium draft stock for expensive and elderly or going have to reach deep in their pockets to pay these guys they traded for. They may be tough to beat this year but after that they are going down the drain.


Meanwhile back at Kansas City doing complete opposite Chiefs got a Hershel Walker esk deal (of course not that many picks but still) While our adversaries just got older and lost draft picks Chiefs saved cap money and raped Dolphins for draft picks on a guy that is going cost them a lot more than he's worth and if he didn't want to stay here well~bye. It's better to do the deal now instead of him becoming a FA and leave anyways and we get nothing for him.

I think the Dolphins wanted a toy to bring in fans that's all to make it look like they tried and fans will want to see Tyreek Hill play. He will soon find out he isn't on a contenders team and he isn't making them a contender either.


I want to officially thank the Miami Dolphins for giving us prime draft picks and wish Tyreek best of luck. We won't have to worry about him in the playoffs.

I didn't think i'd be happy to trade Tyreek Hill but the opportunity we have to score big in the draft with a WR and revamp our Dline with pass rusher holly shit this could be the best trade in Chiefs history.

I think your right he is just fun to watch so they can put butts in seats. Good call on that one. He wont' be a threat to us in the playoffs because Dolphins wont make playoffs.

This is the end of the thread.

Please don't do the gay baseball shit where you use a bunch of numbers nobody cares about

Nothing wrong with assembling an all star offensive cast, especially while your QB is on a rookie deal. The way the league is nowadays, whose to say we don't have another round of butthurt QBs forcing their way to more preferable situations. Miami may have just solidified themselves as a top choice there. Hill, Waddle, Parker, Gesicki, and Edmunds are a real nice cast of weapons to play with.

Mahomes to Miami?

Why add a HOF player under 30?

My impression is Miami is not much of a sports town. Maybe all the asses and nice weather give people other stuff to care about.

It makes more sense for a contender like Green Bay to mortgage their draft picks for Tyreek. Or any contender.

This is also true. Maybe Rodgers will add them to his preferred destination next season.

They had a ton of draft picks and still have a number of them. They can pair Hill and Waddle together. Further it distracts from the Flores fiasco. Nothing says the Owner no longer paying a coach to lose as paying a Wr 30 million a year.

They have a mediocre/non-franchise caliber QB on that rookie contract though so what’s the point?

Their ceiling is Alex Smiff with Tyreek.

Funny thing is, Vegas doesn’t even think this helped the other AFC teams anyway since our odds are about the same. Some of our posters freaking out how this makes us sooo much worse in 22 should trust Vegas knows more.

To sell tickets.

would you trade for Lawrence Taylor in the prime of his career? That's a good comparison as far as the way they impact the game.

Tyreek Hill is arguably the most dangerous offensive weapon in the history of the NFL.

Chiefs fans, particularly here on CP, have a jaded view on team building.

We went 50 years between Super Bowl wins and have now found ourselves a premier organization so we're pretty boom or bust.

A franchise like the Dolphins isn't quite as starved as we were and they're also not acclimated to the success that we've enjoyed recently. They don't necessarily need to go out and win a Super Bowl here in the next handful of years, but they do need some consistent playoff success to spark interest in the team again.

And, yeah, put some fans back in the seats. If nothing else, a young QB with Hill and Waddle should be exciting to watch.

Just took a look over at the Dolphins fan forum. They are very excited.

Good for them.

They have a new HC and they're trying to surround Tua so he won't look like a bum.

I'm pretty sure the only reason they did it was so that Chiefs' fans would scream "the sky is falling" for the next 6 months.

Would you trade Hershal Walker for a butt load of draft picks? That's basically what we did of course not as much draft picks as Dallas got but still you got to look at he is replaceable. It's a lot easier to find a WR than it is a linebacker and it's a LOOOOOT easier than finding a LT that needs extended.


We have opportunity now revamp our D line get a pass rusher and a WR that can turn into a stud. We have the best offensive line in the NFL I'm bosting we have the best offensive line in the NFL and mostly because we got studs from the draft Creed and Trey Smith. Trey Smith likes to bully linebackers.


So there is two ways to look at this. Cry me a river we gave up a star WR that would cost us more than we can afford and not be able extend our LT or do as great in the draft.

Or we can take these draft picks flip our D line get a pass rusher and a WR that will probably catch the ball and not tip it in the air for DBs to catch and make interceptions.

They haven’t won a super bowl since 1973. Haven’t had an appearance since 1984. I’m sure they are very starved.

Offense sells tickets even on losing teams.

Put up or ship out of Miami for Tua. Could be a great destination next year for a proven QB perhaps.

****in' A. For some reason I thought they'd won a chip in the 80s.. prob some random mixed memory of Marino winning that one he went to..

You make a good point. They're coming up on nearly 50 years without a chip and 25 years without a playoff win. They're almost exactly where we were a few years back so I'd guess they're probably needing something big.

If all else fails, though, they're in Miami lol Miami is not a sports town like KC.

Hill did it for the money, and I hope it's enough, because he's never been on a losing team before.

Even with all the success, Hill would get frustrated and get in his own head.

Without guys like Mahomes, Kelce, and Reid to get his head right, we could see this deal being one the Dolphins regret.

They don't have anyone to throw him the ball, he's going to be THE focal point of the defense. I guarantee you those Bills defenders are going to take their pound of flesh for those playoff heroics.

The dude is in for some shitty football. So I hope the 30 mil per is worth it.

Tyreek will probably be catching passes from Teddy Bridgewater by week 8.

The Dolphins have been close to the playoffs the last two seasons.

They could improve enough to be a playoff team. They have some good players and maybe this coaching staff will know what they are doing.

Tyreek makes plays that change win probabilities big time.

Salary cap will keep going up, by the time his contract ends, he probably is not highest AAV for WR

lol

I'm sure it will be, bro!

Their one of those franchises like the Commanders/Redskins who used to be one of the top organizations in the 70s/80s and just fell off a Cliff the past few decades.

I just can't wait until Tua breaks another hip, Bridgewater blows another knee, and Tyreek is catching swing passes from Trever Simean.

That's when we offer them one of their 4th rounders back in trade.

Contested catches might have a good synergy with a tentative QB.

Tentative might disappear when you know someone's gonna fight and win your tosses.

Yeah, you've shown me the light. They're actually damned similar to the Chiefs a few years back.

They're irrelevant but not truly the dregs like the Lions or Browns, which was basically KC pre-Mahomes.

Because Hill is an elite player and elite players are rare.

The other thing not mentioned is it gives perfect clarity to what Tua is or isn’t. People bash on the guy but it’s not like he’s had the best supporting cast. The worst thing that could happen is you take a wr with their first round pick and waddle gets hurt and then you are sitting around wondering if he could really win a super bowl. Now if he sucks you have two first rounders next year to go get a new qb either in the draft or on the trade market. And if he’s great you add two more pieces to a contending window. Either option is better than the Daniel Jones “he just needs another year have you seen the talent around him?” game.

So is the approved CP line

Reid and Veach can do no wrong?
or
Reid and Veach without Mahomes is basically the Lions or Browns?

They are an extremely poorly run franchise.

They could have Herbert, Ja'Marr Chase, and their 2022 first and second had they merely stood pat and made the right choices. Instead, they have an injury prone game manager, Waddle, Hill, and an extra $30 million per year in annual obligations.

You're still crying, bruh? lol

For the record, I could have worded that better. I was saying that the Dolphins are irrelevant but not the dregs (Lions and Browns are the dregs).

I don't really get it for them. The trade guarantees they'll have him for five years beginning immediately. Getting him in FA in a year wouldn't allow for that guarantee, so they gave up compensation. That compensation, though, was significant for that guarantee.

Man - you remember how well situated they were after the Tunsil and Fitzpatrick deals?

They should be a budding dynasty. They should be terrifying right now and for the next 3-4 years at least.

But instead they need Hill to even be remotely relevant.

So said that, then you added a coda.

Reid and Veach were here pre-Mahomes, so I'm asking what the CP line is.

You should make a poll

Didn't they have a quiet 7 game win streak or something last year.

I know they sunk themselves early, and I'm sure there are plenty of tomato cans they knocked around in that streak, but I also think you're sleeping on relevance at the moment.

I think it's pretty obvious why Miami did this deal... and we'll find out soon if Tua is worth a damn at QB. Miami now has a nice set of weapons on offense.

You only do this type of trade if you have your franchise QB in place.

Tua is not a franchise QB, regardless of how hard the Dolphins will try to convince themselves otherwise.

There is no approved CP line, John.

Parker + Waddle + Hill + Edmonds/Mostert + Gesicki

sounds hilarious to even think but... does miami have the best set of weapons in the entire nfl right now?

Does foregoing usernames fall under veiled vitriol?

And, for there not being an approved line, there sure is a lot of pushback when lines are nudged.

Against the easiest schedule imaginable. They're still limited by their noodle armed qb. Although, Mike McDaniel is a hell of a football mind. Tyreek as a yac guy in a sf type offense is kind of interesting. Toward the end of his kc run he was kind of becoming that guy anyway.

There's no veil. That should be obvious.

There's only 1 other person in the history of CP to suggest that there's some kind of groupthink clique here that shouts down any dissenting opinion.

One only needs to read this thread to see that there's no such thing as a Planet party line.

That would be a big mistake to use Tyreek like Deebo. Tyreek is a great talent, but it is best to protect him from a lot of hard physical tackles.

Even Samuel was starting to wear down with how they were using him.

Everyone gets a chance for a streak when they get a string of weak opponents. We've had our share of giddiness over those streaks.

I acknowledged that, and I didn't assert they were poised for the SB, just that they are little more than 'not remotely relevant.'

Butts in seats.

Let's put it this way, if you're a Dolphins fan, how do you feel about this trade? I'd be upset we traded so many draft picks for one guy who isn't a franchise QB.

So full out vitriol. I'll update the ledger.

Maybe Dan Marino is coming out of retirement.

I don't hate you. I actually respect a lot of your opinions, on a multitude of topics.

But the way you go about it is simply disgusting. You're the most passive aggressive, condescending person here and it's not even close.

The fastest, for sure.

Imagine being a Fish Fan, getting jacked about this deal, and then seeing Vegas still has you picked to miss the playoffs and KC barely budged losing TY

I'd take that to heart more if I didn't honestly mean my assessments, and if you actually rebutted them with countervailing facts.

When you characterize my perspective as condescending, it pretty much concedes that your gripe isn't so much that I'm wrong, but that I'm right and it's unpleasant to think about.

You are disgusted with a realistic view of the situation, but you transfer that disgust to my frankness.

And frankly, doxxing is about the most disgusting disappointing, . . . wait for it, . . . passive-aggressive, strategy I've seen anyone take.


This has been a disappointing development in a slow drip of disappointing developments, and the rebuttal has been 'everything is fine, so long as Mahomes.' And all I observe is that there isn't a lot of elevate the franchise outside Mahomes, and somehow that's heresy.

But yeah, I'm all alone in kookoo land

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Tyreek won't be going to the playoffs or the super bowl unless he buys a ticket with some of that money the dolphins overpaid him

Tyreeks new QB showed up to work on his first day in a ****ing dress

https://i.imgur.com/xQu2JYW.png

garbage

No pun intended, but because they fleeced the fish at the table (Houston), people thought they were well-run; it just turned out they were only the second worst player at the table.

And the nominations have closed for 2022 Most Mixed Metaphor.

;)

Yeah, that's a little tortured.

Their QB absolutely SUCKS.

It's like putting a carbon fiber body onto a Pinto.

To be fair, my Land's End Fishfleece jumper is super comfy.

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Too doesn't throw anywhere NEAR that hard.

One of Hill’s best traits is getting open on the deep ball. Does Tua even have an arm that will capitalize on that?

Perhaps I wasn’t clear about this:

The only reason I’m saying anything is because you’re wrong and you’ve been wrong about this team and it’s makeup since the day Patrick Mahomes was drafted. You have a problem with building around a drafted QB for some absurd reason AND you’re condescending and passive aggressive about it.

I give you rep comments about a great many things including football takes.

The only time I engage you like this is when you, once again, go in your stupid diatribes about team building and passively aggressively suggesting that those of us who wanted Mahomes are somehow now getting what we deserve. Don’t pretend that’s not what you’re doing either - MANY people have seen it, not just me.