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royr17 03-27-2022 11:53 PM

Jahan Dotson
 
Thoughts about him.

He has speed, can catch and could be had in late 1st early 2nd.

What's everyone thoughts bout him.

staylor26 03-28-2022 12:03 AM

I’d be fine with him with one of the 1st rounders.

He’s got great hands and he gets separation.

Kind of reminds me of a Emmanuel Sanders, or Diontae Johnson (with much better hands).

Dante84 03-28-2022 12:44 AM

I like him, reminds me of Maclin.

kccrow 03-28-2022 12:53 AM

Reminds me of Golden Tate but in a slimmer body similar to Jalen Waddle. I like him enough. He doesn't scream out to me or anything but I think he could be good to very good.

royr17 03-28-2022 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16219556)
I like him, reminds me of Maclin.

Same. He's been compared to Emmanuel Sanders.

JPH83 03-28-2022 06:14 AM

I like him and wouldn't hate a 1st rounder on him as staylor says. What do people think of him vs Burks. Is anyone slightly concerned about Burks' combine measurements? Has made me pause a little.

htismaqe 03-28-2022 07:08 AM

He ran a lot slower than he should have. Especially in some of the agility drills. I was super high on him but his combine was lackluster.

RunKC 03-28-2022 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16219660)
He ran a lot slower than he should have. Especially in some of the agility drills. I was super high on him but his combine was lackluster.

I feel this way about Trey Burks. Dotson seems to be fast straight line but his lateral speed worries me.

kcbubb 03-28-2022 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16219611)
I like him and wouldn't hate a 1st rounder on him as staylor says. What do people think of him vs Burks. Is anyone slightly concerned about Burks' combine measurements? Has made me pause a little.

Burks is interesting to me. I love his production in the sec. He also was clocked at 22.6 mph. His 10 yard split wasn’t bad at 1.54. But his 40 at 4.55 is not impressive but how does he get clocked at 22.6 mph on the field?


https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/stat...1hHCdltY05cIig

Toad 03-28-2022 07:53 AM

Yep. I was high on both Dotson and Burks until their underwhelming combine performances. But still be okay with either with one of the 2 first rounders tho. I feel they gotta get a youngster in there to learn this year and take the catches when JuJu leaves after this year.

Plus, they may value a potential peter piper Pickens or Pierce picks early in the 2nd…

JPH83 03-28-2022 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16219684)
I feel this way about Trey Burks. Dotson seems to be fast straight line but his lateral speed worries me.

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Was that who you meant htismaqe? Hadn't seen Dotson's agility drills, shame if they're sub-par

htismaqe 03-28-2022 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16219705)
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Was that who you meant htismaqe? Hadn't seen Dotson's agility drills, shame if they're sub-par

Dotson, yes.

I mean, he wasn't slow. But his numbers were well below what he had been timed at previously.

kcbubb 03-28-2022 07:59 AM

I think burks is one of those who is better comparatively with the pads on. He’s got a lot of great tape. His size is crazy and he’s fast on the field. Huge hands to catch the ball, drops have been a problem for us. Long wingspan with great catch range and he’s big and tough to tackle. He’s often compared to deebo Samuel. I think his combine helps us in that he might be available in the 20s. I’m not overly concerned with his combine with him being clocked at 22.6 mph with pads on. He’s one of those that is comparatively faster with pads on. He doesn’t gain much speed compared to other track guys when he takes the pads off. Dotson seems like a low ceiling guy compared with the tier of wrs above him with jameson, burks and olave.

htismaqe 03-28-2022 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16219709)
I think burks is one of those who is better comparatively with the pads on. He’s got a lot of great tape. His size is crazy and he’s fast on the field. Huge hands to catch the ball, drops have been a problem for us. Long wingspan with great catch range and he’s big and tough to tackle. He’s often compared to deebo Samuel. I think his combine helps us in that he might be available in the 20s. I’m not overly concerned with his combine with him being clocked at 22.6 mph with pads on. He’s one of those that is comparatively faster with pads on. He doesn’t gain much speed compared to other track guys when he takes the pads off. Dotson seems like a low ceiling guy compared with the tier of wrs above him with jameson, burks and olave.

I agree.

kcbubb 03-28-2022 08:06 AM

Burks also compliments the size of our wr room. MVS is on the skinny side at 6’4” 200 lbs. hardman is little. Juju is a bigger at 6’1” 215 but burks is a load at 6’2” 225 lbs.

Toad 03-28-2022 08:08 AM

Well crap. My apologies on that image embed.

That was supposed to be Dotson’s RAS scores.
40: 4.43 very good
10 split: 2.57 average
3 cone: 7.28 very poor
Vertical and broad jump: average

kcbubb 03-28-2022 08:08 AM

I don’t like 5’10” 178lbs Dotson or someone like him unless they have freakish ability and I don’t see Dotson having that. More likely than not, he’s JAG.

htismaqe 03-28-2022 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad (Post 16219726)
Well crap. My apologies on that image embed.

That was supposed to be Dotson’s RAS scores.
40: 4.43 very good
10 split: 2.57 average
3 cone: 7.28 very poor
Vertical and broad jump: average

The 4.43 40 looks good on paper until you realize that Dotson was clocked previously in the 4.3-4.33 range.

kcbubb 03-28-2022 08:09 AM

I saw his ras. 6.26 is not good.

Toad 03-28-2022 09:08 AM

Do we think that peter piper picked a peck of pickled Pickens makes it to #50?

htismaqe 03-28-2022 09:11 AM

I'm not that high on Pickens TBH. Georgia WR's scare me a bit.

Toad 03-28-2022 09:26 AM

Fair enough. Who ya want?

htismaqe 03-28-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad (Post 16219916)
Fair enough. Who ya want?

There's a lot of guys I like that might be better slotted in the 2nd. We're in an interesting spot. Burks is interesting.

ntexascardfan 03-28-2022 12:13 PM

If we go Burks I'd like to use him out of the backfield at times similarly to how the 49ers have used Deebo

htismaqe 03-28-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ntexascardfan (Post 16220312)
If we go Burks I'd like to use him out of the backfield at times similarly to how the 49ers have used Deebo

He did have a couple hundred yards rushing last season, IIRC.

JPH83 03-28-2022 12:20 PM

I don't think Burk's RAS score is great either is it? More i look at it there's only 4 WRs that stand out and then it's a complete lottery. I guess it's probably the same every year. One from Burks, Dotson, Moore and Pickens is going to be very good but who knows which.

Toad 03-28-2022 12:28 PM

Burks overall RAS was a very average 5.77 and he did not re-run the 40 at his pro day

htismaqe 03-28-2022 12:30 PM

The one thing Dotson has here is consistent production. He did it over 2 years, not just 1 like a lot of guys.

RunKC 03-28-2022 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16220352)
The one thing Dotson has here is consistent production. He did it over 2 years, not just 1 like a lot of guys.

That’s one reason I like Sam Williams more than David Ojabo

kccrow 03-28-2022 07:29 PM

I'm not disappointed with Dotson's 40 time, it's fine. I'm highly disappointed with his 3-cone, which was absolute shit.

htismaqe 03-29-2022 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16221175)
I'm not disappointed with Dotson's 40 time, it's fine. I'm highly disappointed with his 3-cone, which was absolute shit.

I'm not disappointed in his 40 time so much as it was underwhelming when he was supposed to be faster. And that takes into account his overall RAS, which wasn't as high as anybody thought. The 3-cone score is just another piece of that.

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 07:22 AM

Man, I just can't get behind a small WR with no elite attributes. I mean, the kid is a football player; no question.

But he's small, not particularly fast, and not particularly agile.

htismaqe 03-29-2022 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16221588)
Man, I just can't get behind a small WR with no elite attributes. I mean, the kid is a football player; no question.

But he's small, not particularly fast, and not particularly agile.

Right. He's the definition of "high floor, low ceiling".

kcbubb 03-29-2022 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16221588)
Man, I just can't get behind a small WR with no elite attributes. I mean, the kid is a football player; no question.

But he's small, not particularly fast, and not particularly agile.

Agreed!

staylor26 03-29-2022 06:32 PM

I mean, would you take Diontae Johnson with much better hands?

I think that’s his ceiling, which is still pretty damn good.

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16223227)
I mean, would you take Diontae Johnson with much better hands?

I think that’s his ceiling, which is still pretty damn good.

Probably not real high. People are talking about Dotson in the first? I mean, I don't see it.

Diontae has a lot of catches, but not a very high ypc. I'll admit I haven't watched all that much Shittsburgh the last year or two (and hated Raperberger anyway) but A little WR with a low ypc doesn't scream gamebreaker to me.

staylor26 03-29-2022 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16223378)
Probably not real high. People are talking about Dotson in the first? I mean, I don't see it.

Diontae has a lot of catches, but not a very high ypc. I'll admit I haven't watched all that much Shittsburgh the last year or two (and hated Raperberger anyway) but A little WR with a low ypc doesn't scream gamebreaker to me.

Diontae Johnson is a legit WR1 in terms of talent, but he’s been playing with the corpse of Big Ben on top of having issues catching the football.

If he had Dotson’s hands, it wouldn’t even be a question.

He likely wouldn’t be at the top of my list, but I’d be fine with the pick.

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16223382)
Diontae Johnson is a legit WR1 in terms of talent, but he’s been playing with the corpse of Big Ben on top of having issues catching the football.

If he had Dotson’s hands, it wouldn’t even be a question.

He likely wouldn’t be at the top of my list, but I’d be fine with the pick.

That may be true, like I said I haven't watched much Shittsburgh lately.

Ben has been shitty for a couple of years, so you may well be right. Still, you'd think he'd be creating some YAC at least.

Anyway, I doubt Dotson is all that high on the Chiefs' list, if the guys we're signing are any indication, we've shifted our 'type'. But who knows?

staylor26 04-07-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16223227)
I mean, would you take Diontae Johnson with much better hands?

I think that’s his ceiling, which is still pretty damn good.

This is from Brugler’s The Beast:

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He is an NFL starter in the Diontae Johnson mold with better hands and punt-return skills.
LMAO

Absolutely spot on.


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