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Dante84 03-30-2022 11:03 AM

Jon Ledyard's 2022 WR Rankings
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those of you who are wondering how Ledyards faired the past few years evaluating WR’s…<br>2021 Rankings: <br>1. Chase<br>2. Waddle<br>3. Smith<br>4. Moore<br>2020 Rankings:<br>1. Lamb<br>2. Jeudy<br>3. Ruggs<br>4. Jefferson<br>👀👀👀 <a href="https://t.co/SYdYdn1r4w">https://t.co/SYdYdn1r4w</a></p>&mdash; Michael Marino (@MichaelMarino37) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelMarino37/status/1509208784257835013?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

2022 NFL Draft WR Rankings & Grades
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In this week’s Bucs Briefing, I release my 2022 NFL Draft wide receiver rankings and round grades. There are a few pro days left, so a couple things may still shift before the draft. But this is likely to be my final ranking of the class. Keep in mind, my round grades are handed out in a vacuum. Each round grade is tied to the caliber of player I believe each prospect will be in the NFL. It is NOT a projection of where I believe they will or even should be drafted in the actual draft. Instead it is a level of valuation I have tied to each player’s outlook for the NFL.

Here are the 2022 NFL Draft wide receivers I still need to complete evaluations for:
John Metchie, Alabama
Khalil Shakur, Boise State
Calvin Austin, Memphis
Justyn Ross, Clemson
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
Wan’Dale Robinson, Kentucky
Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Kyle Phillips, UCLA

12. Alec Pierce, Cincinnati – Round 4 (Spot Starter/Quality Depth)
Spoiler!


11. Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama – Early Round 4 (Spot Starter/Quality Depth)
Spoiler!


10. David Bell, Purdue – Early Round 4 (Spot Starter/Quality Depth)
Spoiler!


9. George Pickens, Georgia – Late Round 3 (Solid Starter)
Spoiler!


8. Jahan Dotson, Penn State – Round 3 Grade (Solid Starter)
Spoiler!


7. Christian Watson, North Dakota State – Round 3 Grade (Solid Starter)
Spoiler!


6. Skyy Moore, Western Michigan – Round 3 Grade (Solid Starter)
Spoiler!


5. Jameson Williams, Alabama – Late Round 2 Grade (Good Starter)
Spoiler!


4. Drake London, USC – Late Round 2 Grade (Good Starter)
Spoiler!


3. Chris Olave, Ohio State – Early Round 2 Grade (Very Good Starter)
Spoiler!


2. Garrett Wilson, Ohio State – Early Round 2 Grade (Very Good Starter)
Spoiler!


1. Treylon Burks, Arkansas – Late Round 1 Grade (High Quality Starter)
Spoiler!


staylor26 03-30-2022 11:06 AM

Burks #1? Interesting.

He’s a guy that’s going to be very tough to pass on if he falls to 29/30.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 11:07 AM

Burks is going to go a lot higher than we think.

staylor26 03-30-2022 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224151)
Burks is going to go a lot higher than we think.

Then somebody has to fall.

Maybe it’s Olave.

Dante84 03-30-2022 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224151)
Burks is going to go a lot higher than we think.

Yep, I'm pretty sad about it. I think he's going to go in the mid-teens when it's all said and done.

RunKC 03-30-2022 11:10 AM

George Pickens eval:

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The physical and athletic traits are there to be a good X-receiver in the NFL, but he needs a lot of polish to his routes and releases.
Boy where have we heard this before?

chiefforlife 03-30-2022 11:11 AM

If this guys ranking and draft position are correct, we could take DE/Burks in round 1 and DT/Jameson Williams in round 2!

Holy Shit! My two favorite WRs in the same draft? Plus D line!

MahomesMagic 03-30-2022 11:12 AM

Drake London too low.

Overall I think rankings look reasonable although I would switch Olave with Wilson.

I had Waddle/Chase as 1A/1B last year, both were fantastic prospects.

Had Jefferson over Ruggs.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16224153)
Then somebody has to fall.

Maybe it’s Olave.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Sit tight and let the draft board develop. No need to trade up at all.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 11:16 AM

5. Jameson Williams, Alabama – Late Round 2 Grade (Good Starter)
Spoiler!
I’m really surprised that Williams’ game hasn’t been picked apart a little more over the past few months. It’s like people saw that he’s absurdly fast and didn’t care about anything else. Yes, Williams has elite speed. It’s why I believe he’ll be a good starter in the NFL. But beyond his ability to make plays down the field, what else does he offer right now?

Williams has a long way to go to become a complete NFL receiver. His route-running is rudimentary, and physical press man coverage could be an issue in the NFL. Williams’ slight frame has room to bulk up, but coming off a torn ACL it will take some time. To be a premier vertical threat, more than just speed is required. You have to win at the line of scrimmage consistently and adjust to the ball down the field. That’s what separates Tyreek Hill and Desean Jackson from Will Fuller. Which receiver is Williams most likely to be in the NFL?

He has the speed, acceleration and size to be Jackson. But there’s a lot more to it. I think there’s a lot better chance that Williams ends up like Mike Wallace, who had several great years in the NFL. There have been flashes of strong catches outside his frame and even some good YAC plays. But right now, Williams’ success is primarily tied to Alabama’s scheme and his ability to run past people. In the NFL, he’ll need to diversify his skill set or perfect his best trick in order to reach the ceiling many project for him.


Like I’ve said. People see speed and then ignore literally everything else with Williams.

MahomesMagic 03-30-2022 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224180)
5. Jameson Williams, Alabama – Late Round 2 Grade (Good Starter)
Spoiler!
I’m really surprised that Williams’ game hasn’t been picked apart a little more over the past few months. It’s like people saw that he’s absurdly fast and didn’t care about anything else. Yes, Williams has elite speed. It’s why I believe he’ll be a good starter in the NFL. But beyond his ability to make plays down the field, what else does he offer right now?

Williams has a long way to go to become a complete NFL receiver. His route-running is rudimentary, and physical press man coverage could be an issue in the NFL. Williams’ slight frame has room to bulk up, but coming off a torn ACL it will take some time. To be a premier vertical threat, more than just speed is required. You have to win at the line of scrimmage consistently and adjust to the ball down the field. That’s what separates Tyreek Hill and Desean Jackson from Will Fuller. Which receiver is Williams most likely to be in the NFL?

He has the speed, acceleration and size to be Jackson. But there’s a lot more to it. I think there’s a lot better chance that Williams ends up like Mike Wallace, who had several great years in the NFL. There have been flashes of strong catches outside his frame and even some good YAC plays. But right now, Williams’ success is primarily tied to Alabama’s scheme and his ability to run past people. In the NFL, he’ll need to diversify his skill set or perfect his best trick in order to reach the ceiling many project for him.


Like I’ve said. People see speed and then ignore literally everything else with Williams.

Jameson is a more polished Mecole. So I would not be surprised if our scouts like him.

staylor26 03-30-2022 11:18 AM

I’d still take Williams at 29/30 with zero hesitation, but yea, no need to trade up to do it.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:19 AM

Man I really like Burks.

And Watson too.

I'm not high on Pickens.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 11:20 AM

Give me Moore over Williams.

ToxSocks 03-30-2022 11:20 AM

The more i watch Burks, the less i think the Chiefs value him over some of these other guys.

MahomesMagic 03-30-2022 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224185)
Man I really like Burks.

And Watson too.

I'm not high on Pickens.

With you on Burks. With you against Pickens.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16224189)
The more i watch Burks, the less i think the Chiefs value him over some of these other guys.

Who do you think they value?

MahomesMagic 03-30-2022 11:23 AM

I see a lot of people wanting Burks in a Shanahan or McVay offense.

But you got to believe Andy Reid could use him too. Draw up plays and get him the ball.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 11:23 AM

And I agree with his write up about Watson. Dude has a huge ceiling but that floor is tough to overlook.

Dante84 03-30-2022 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16224164)
If this guys ranking and draft position are correct, we could take DE/Burks in round 1 and DT/Jameson Williams in round 2!

Holy Shit! My two favorite WRs in the same draft? Plus D line!

He calls out that the draft position aligns with his value/grade, not where they’ll get drafted.

I think both JW and TB are gone before #29

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16224197)
I see a lot of people wanting Burks in a Shanahan or McVay offense.

But you got to believe Andy Reid could use him too. Draw up plays and get him the ball.

Shanahan's offense is pretty different from Andy's but they both come from the same base tree.

ToxSocks 03-30-2022 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224191)
Who do you think they value?

Williams, Olave, Watson. Pickens even.

They seem more prototypical to what the Chiefs traditionally look for.

Which of course means they'll draft a guy in the 3rd that fits a similar mold.

staylor26 03-30-2022 11:28 AM

I’ve really warmed up to Bo Melton with our first 4th to go along with somebody like Metchie at 62.

I don’t think they have to go WR in the 1st, but if they don’t, I really want them to hedge their bets and draft 2.

Honestly, I think they should draft 2 either way.

ToxSocks 03-30-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224198)
And I agree with his write up about Watson. Dude has a huge ceiling but that floor is tough to overlook.

It seems the biggest complaint is his level of competition and production. To me, that don't mean a whole lot.

MY biggest complaint is that he's not really great at contested catches for a guy his size.

You'd like to see stronger hands, stronger ability at the point of contact.

I think his floor is a bigger Will Fuller. His Ceiling? Idk, Mike Evans maybe?

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16224208)
Williams, Olave, Watson. Pickens even.

They seem more prototypical to what the Chiefs traditionally look for.

Which of course means they'll draft a guy in the 3rd that fits a similar mold.

So you don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st at all? I could totally see that.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16224218)
It seems the biggest complaint is his level of competition and production. To me, that don't mean a whole lot.

MY biggest complaint is that he's not really great at contested catches for a guy his size.

You'd like to see stronger hands, stronger ability at the point of contact.

I think his floor is a bigger Will Fuller. His Ceiling? Idk, Mike Evans maybe?

His write up talks about his lack of actual route running and the fact that he just athleted people in college as his knocks.

ToxSocks 03-30-2022 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224221)
So you don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st at all? I could totally see that.

My personal belief, as of today, is that they'll trade a 1st for a rookie contract WR.

If they don't trade, no, i don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st. Though i'd like to see them take a Christian Watson if he's available when they pick.

ToxSocks 03-30-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224224)
His write up talks about his lack of actual route running and the fact that he just athleted people in college as his knocks.

That doesn't worry me at all. I can see that he has the physical ability to be a great route runner. His feet are quick, his body is fluid. He's unusually twitchy for a guy that big. And his body mass is lean and sculpted.

His 1v1's at the senior bowl pretty much sold me. Did you see his release on those slants? Oooof.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16224232)
My personal belief, as of today, is that they'll trade a 1st for a rookie contract WR.

If they don't trade, no, i don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st. Though i'd like to see them take a Christian Watson if he's available when they pick.

I could be on board with all of this...

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16224239)
That doesn't worry me at all. I can see that he has the physical ability to be a great route runner. His feet are quick, his body is fluid. He's unusually twitchy for a guy that big. And his body mass is lean and sculpted.

His 1v1's at the senior bowl pretty much sold me. Did you his release on those slants? Oooof.

Mahomes to Watson? :drool:

RunKC 03-30-2022 11:54 AM

This is why I think it’s the smart money on trading up a bit ahead of NE, GB and Buffalo for one of the top 5. One of those guys should be there at 20 or 21.

Probably a 3rd, 4th and additional 2023 4th gets a trade with the Steelers for 20.

WR is deep at the top unlike DE and DB that is deep with depth

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224295)
This is why I think it’s the smart money on trading up a bit ahead of NE, GB and Buffalo for one of the top 5. One of those guys should be there at 20 or 21.

Probably a 3rd, 4th and additional 2023 4th gets a trade with the Steelers for 20.

WR is deep at the top unlike DE and DB that is deep with depth

The WR class is shallow at the top. NONE of these guys would have been a top pick in last year's draft. They all have warts. It's really deep at the end of the 1st, top of the 2nd.

There's zero reason to trade up.

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224298)
The WR class is shallow at the top. NONE of these guys would have been a top pick in last year's draft. They all have warts. It's really deep at the end of the 1st, top of the 2nd.

There's zero reason to trade up.

That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.

And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.

Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow

The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.

TambaBerry 03-30-2022 12:06 PM

No way am I trading up for any wr. If I'm trading up it's for an edge.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224312)
That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.

And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.

Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow

The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.

Then take a WR in the 2nd. Because the separation between guys like Olave and guys like Watson isn't worth what it will take to trade up.

The answer to trading up is a definitive "no".

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224312)
That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.

And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.

Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow

The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.

There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224330)
There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.

Exactly.

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224330)
There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.

Agree 100%. IMO the best fit is one of the guys in the top 5.

You’ve got Juju, Hardman and MVP who are good complimentary players. They aren’t “the guy”. No we can’t replace Tyreek but you can get someone really good from that top 5.

I still believe Jameson Williams would kill it in this offense. He’s so ****ing good

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224337)
Agree 100%. IMO the best fit is one of the guys in the top 5.

You’ve got Juju, Hardman and MVP who are good complimentary players. They aren’t “the guy”. No we can’t replace Tyreek but you can get someone really good from that top 5.

I still believe Jameson Williams would kill it in this offense. He’s so ****ing good

Why couldn’t he beat out Wilson or Olave?

htismaqe 03-30-2022 12:27 PM

I'll be honest.

This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.

Just being honest.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.

This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.

Just being honest.

Yep.

All of a sudden he's now a can't miss prospect. And it doesn't help that the media puts out these mock drafts with trade ups where we surrender all of this value to take him because "THE CHIEFS LOVE SPEED!".

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.

This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.

Just being honest.

There’s a big drop off after the first 5 IMO.

At DB it’s really deep. I really like the 2nd rd options at S and corner. DE has some really great depth.

Sam Williams, Arnold Ebiketie, Drake Jackson, Kingsley Enagbare.

I don’t see that from the WR group tbh

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:34 PM

And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.

Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?

duncan_idaho 03-30-2022 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224345)
Why couldn’t he beat out Wilson or Olave?

Wilson and Olave both got there the year before him and established themselves during his freshman season.

Williams was at least a part-time starter, as I recall, as a freshman. He had moments as a sophomore.

If I remember the timeline correctly, he transferred after Wilson and Olave announced they were coming back for another year.

It wasn't so much he couldn't beat them out, more that he was looking for a place where he would have fewer mouths to share with.

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224363)
And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.

Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?

Go check out Skyy Moore. Very good route runner, huge hands, good straight line speed. Looks pro ready. I like him but wouldn’t take him until 50

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16224366)
Wilson and Olave both got there the year before him and established themselves during his freshman season.

Williams was at least a part-time starter, as I recall, as a freshman. He had moments as a sophomore.

If I remember the timeline correctly, he transferred after Wilson and Olave announced they were coming back for another year.

It wasn't so much he couldn't beat them out, more that he was looking for a place where he would have fewer mouths to share with.

Wilson was 2019....same as Williams. Olave was there in 2018.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224370)
Go check out Skyy Moore. Very good route runner, huge hands, good straight line speed. Looks pro ready. I like him but wouldn’t take him until 50

And that's fine. There should be good WRs at 50 that would instantly help this football team.

Trading up for Williams because "SPEED" isn't where it's at.

Titty Meat 03-30-2022 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224176)
Exactly what I was thinking.

Sit tight and let the draft board develop. No need to trade up at all.

If Olave slides me sitting isn't going to be the only thing that's tight

BossChief 03-30-2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16224215)
I’ve really warmed up to Bo Melton with our first 4th to go along with somebody like Metchie at 62.

I don’t think they have to go WR in the 1st, but if they don’t, I really want them to hedge their bets and draft 2.

Honestly, I think they should draft 2 either way.

They need multiples at WR, CB and DE, if we’re looking at this in a 2 year window.

With the cost of WRs and pass rushers skyrocketing, it’s smart to utilize this draft to help the cap by possibly even overdraft if those positions.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:54 PM

For all the talk about Juju being on a one year deal.....

If he hits it off with Pat, then I could see them bringing him back.

BossChief 03-30-2022 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.

This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.

Just being honest.

agreed

I’d rather get raped with a toilet brush than hear more about him till after we possibly draft him.

And I’m a guy that would love to have him in KC.

BossChief 03-30-2022 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224393)
For all the talk about Juju being on a one year deal.....

If he hits it off with Pat, then I could see them bringing him back.

It’s a double edged sword though. If he does well, he will need a big shiny new contract. And you know what above average WRs are getting these days.

staylor26 03-30-2022 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224393)
For all the talk about Juju being on a one year deal.....

If he hits it off with Pat, then I could see them bringing him back.

Yea, I think part of the appeal there is that with his age, he’s worth giving a 2nd contract if it works out.

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:59 PM

Tyquan Thornton is very intriguing. He’s not just a vertical threat. He can read zone coverage and use space in the middle of the field. Need that.

His really thin build and tiny hands are worrisome though

MahomesMagic 03-30-2022 01:03 PM

If I had to create a top 3 I would have it as

London
Burks
Olave

The Franchise 03-30-2022 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16224402)
It’s a double edged sword though. If he does well, he will need a big shiny new contract. And you know what above average WRs are getting these days.

I don't think Juju is taking more than $20 million a season.....even if he lights it up this year. He isn't Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill.

BossChief 03-30-2022 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224412)
I don't think Juju is taking more than $20 million a season.....even if he lights it up this year. He isn't Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill.

See that’s the thing.

If he balls out and gets 900-1100 yards and 8tds or something h…I’m not wanting us to give out a Christian Kirk type deal like that.

I’d rather overdraft WR by taking 3 of them and see what happens.

BossChief 03-30-2022 01:12 PM

Also, what he’s saying about London is spot on. I’d love to have him at 50 or 62, but I probably don’t take him at 29 or 30 if he’s on the board.

duncan_idaho 03-30-2022 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224371)
Wilson was 2019....same as Williams. Olave was there in 2018.

I was thinking Wilson had redshirted a year. Maybe he was an early enrollee and that tripped me up.

I think they're fairly equally talented, especially at the college level. Wilson went to a huge high school in Texas and was probably a little more game ready as true freshmen than Williams.

Then COVID happened. And then Olave announced he was coming back.

O.city 03-30-2022 01:54 PM

Garrett Wilson is gonna be the best of this class.

O.city 03-30-2022 02:04 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hard to rank WRs in class because success will largely be tied to role &amp; system. Every team is looking for a different prototype. Generally speaking, the contested catch or big slot types feel like reaches in Rd1. If taking a WR Day 1, needs to be a burner or elite route runner.</p>&mdash; Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1509258696752353289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

htismaqe 03-30-2022 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16224428)
See that’s the thing.

If he balls out and gets 900-1100 yards and 8tds or something h…I’m not wanting us to give out a Christian Kirk type deal like that.

I’d rather overdraft WR by taking 3 of them and see what happens.

Just saw an article about free agent/traded WR's and their projected stats.

They had Juju at 1100 yards and 10 TD's.

TwistedChief 03-30-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224363)
And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.

Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?

No, but we'd have better WR2 and WR3 beside him and our WR1 would be a lot cheaper.

Separately, Chris Simms rankings:

1. Williams
2. Watson
3. Pierce (!)
4. Burks
5. London

The Franchise 03-30-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16224577)
No, but we'd have better WR2 and WR3 beside him and our WR1 would be a lot cheaper.

Separately, Chris Simms rankings:

1. Williams
2. Watson
3. Pierce (!)
4. Burks
5. London

Sure but we technically have a deep threat right now in MVS. I'm not trading up to grab another deep threat. Especially a dude coming off an ACL injury that's 180 lbs.

And I'd love Pierce at 50 if we could pull it off.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224585)
Sure but we technically have a deep threat right now in MVS. I'm not trading up to grab another deep threat. Especially a dude coming off an ACL injury that's 180 lbs.

And I'd love Pierce at 50 if we could pull it off.

That's my issue.

He has warts just like every other WR in this draft.

But when you add in the ACL and the fact that it will likely require a trade up, I just can't see how people think that's a super idea.

I mean I get that some people just love a player but that doesn't mean trading up for him is a good idea, it's just a way to satisfy the crush.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224594)
That's my issue.

He has warts just like every other WR in this draft.

But when you add in the ACL and the fact that it will likely require a trade up, I just can't see how people think that's a super idea.

I mean I get that some people just love a player but that doesn't mean trading up for him is a good idea, it's just a way to satisfy the crush.

I'd love to draft Jermaine Johnson.

I'm also not willing to sell our entire draft to go draft him.

MahomesMagic 03-30-2022 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16224577)
No, but we'd have better WR2 and WR3 beside him and our WR1 would be a lot cheaper.

Separately, Chris Simms rankings:

1. Williams
2. Watson
3. Pierce (!)
4. Burks
5. London

I watched his rankings video. At least he owned up to putting JAGami Brown over Waddle.

;)

Couch-Potato 03-30-2022 03:43 PM

I'm high on Williams, Burks, Watson, & Moore... glad he seems to be as well.

Really excited to hear the next 6 WRs he profiles as well!

Couch-Potato 03-30-2022 03:47 PM

I think the draft typically averages 5 RD 1 WRs?

I see Wilson, Olave, and London going as the top 3 putting Williams within reach of trade and our choice of Burks, Moore, or Watson if we stand still at #29 & #30.

kcbubb 03-30-2022 04:04 PM

Hmm… Watson at senior bowl. I like Watson more after seeing this. He’s got a lot of work to do but the talent is undeniable. No way a guy like Pickens can do this. And his long arms are a real asset in the press man.

https://youtu.be/DzBPgL4ocsQ

Close up of press coverage
https://youtu.be/GhGTJBg_XIQ

BossChief 03-30-2022 05:25 PM

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...xcCwH4bdKEaJWw

Jameson Williams says he will be “fully cleared by training camp.”

Chris Meck 03-30-2022 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16224720)
I think the draft typically averages 5 RD 1 WRs?

I see Wilson, Olave, and London going as the top 3 putting Williams within reach of trade and our choice of Burks, Moore, or Watson if we stand still at #29 & #30.

Man, if it went that way, I'd take Burks AND Watson and get on with my life. Then I'd take Cam Thomas and Sam Williams in the second and go win some Super Bowls.

I doubt it, though.

kcbubb 03-30-2022 08:16 PM

That’s probably a bad idea but it’s sexy! Lol…

Couch-Potato 03-31-2022 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16225056)
Man, if it went that way, I'd take Burks AND Watson and get on with my life. Then I'd take Cam Thomas and Sam Williams in the second and go win some Super Bowls.

I doubt it, though.

I don't hate it at all.

1st - #29 WR Burk
1st - #30 WR Watson
2nd - #50 DE Thomas
2nd - #62 DE Williams
3rd - #94 LB Walker
3rd - #103 OT Diesch
4th - #125 DT Uwazurike
4th - #135 S Cross

Sign CB Gilmore 2-yr Contract

Chris Meck 03-31-2022 05:59 AM

I was just saying the other day in another thread that Burks looked like AJ Brown to me.

htismaqe 03-31-2022 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16224849)
https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...xcCwH4bdKEaJWw

Jameson Williams says he will be “fully cleared by training camp.”

Then we have no shot at him. He'll go in the top 15.

Chris Meck 03-31-2022 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16225355)
Then we have no shot at him. He'll go in the top 15.

Good.

htismaqe 03-31-2022 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16225357)
Good.

Yep.

We're not giving up basically what we gave up to get Mahomes for Williams. The dream is over. Thankfully.

Chris Meck 03-31-2022 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16225358)
Yep.

We're not giving up basically what we gave up to get Mahomes for Williams. The dream is over. Thankfully.

It would've been a huge mistake.

The first two rounds are shaping up to be able to remake our defensive line and WR room in one fell swoop, and passing that up to take one guy would go against everything we've done this offseason.

htismaqe 03-31-2022 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16225361)
It would've been a huge mistake.

The first two rounds are shaping up to be able to remake our defensive line and WR room in one fell swoop, and passing that up to take one guy would go against everything we've done this offseason.

Yep.

I said it yesterday - it's not only counterproductive, it's counterintuitive.


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