<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those of you who are wondering how Ledyards faired the past few years evaluating WR’s…<br>2021 Rankings: <br>1. Chase<br>2. Waddle<br>3. Smith<br>4. Moore<br>2020 Rankings:<br>1. Lamb<br>2. Jeudy<br>3. Ruggs<br>4. Jefferson<br>👀👀👀 <a href="https://t.co/SYdYdn1r4w">https://t.co/SYdYdn1r4w</a></p>— Michael Marino (@MichaelMarino37) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelMarino37/status/1509208784257835013?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
In this week’s Bucs Briefing, I release my 2022 NFL Draft wide receiver rankings and round grades. There are a few pro days left, so a couple things may still shift before the draft. But this is likely to be my final ranking of the class. Keep in mind, my round grades are handed out in a vacuum. Each round grade is tied to the caliber of player I believe each prospect will be in the NFL. It is NOT a projection of where I believe they will or even should be drafted in the actual draft. Instead it is a level of valuation I have tied to each player’s outlook for the NFL.
Here are the 2022 NFL Draft wide receivers I still need to complete evaluations for:
John Metchie, Alabama
Khalil Shakur, Boise State
Calvin Austin, Memphis
Justyn Ross, Clemson
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
Wan’Dale Robinson, Kentucky
Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Kyle Phillips, UCLA
Pierce proved at the Combine that he has the long speed (4.41) and leaping ability (40.5 vertical) for his style of play to succeed in the NFL. But I still have concerns. Pierce is a big, stiff route runner who struggled to separate at the line of scrimmage or in his route breaks against man coverage. He also didn’t impress much at the Senior Bowl. However, he does flash awesome ball skills and late speed to pull away vertically. But I don’t think any of Pierce’s traits are good enough to consistently make up for his lack of separation. Pierce could be a solid big slot with inside/outside potential and special teams value in the NFL. The prototype of an ideal No. 4-5 receiver.
11. Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama – Early Round 4 (Spot Starter/Quality Depth)
Spoiler!
Tolbert could be better than some of the players ahead of him, but a few things are giving me pause. First, the level of competition he faced in college was very low in quality. I could live with that if he had A) lit up the Senior Bowl or B) lit up the Combine. But Tolbert was up-and-down in Mobile, and was good, not great at the Combine. Also, he’ll be a 23-year old rookie who needs to add muscle. Still, his ball skills and acceleration on tape give me enough hope to swing on him in the middle of the draft. Tolbert could be a legit deep threat in the NFL.
10. David Bell, Purdue – Early Round 4 (Spot Starter/Quality Depth)
Spoiler!
To succeed in the NFL, Bell will need to be the outlier of all outliers. At 6-1, 212 pounds, Bell ran a 4.65 40 at the Combine and tested in the 26th percentile or lower in every other exercise. But how do you succeed as a bottom-tier athlete wide receiver in the NFL? With outstanding hands, elite football IQ, exceptional work ethic and willingness to do all the dirty work. Bell has all of that. I see a lot of Jarvis Landry when I watch Bell. He’s a power slot/No. 3-No.4 option in the NFL. He may be a disappointing athlete, but I still think he’ll carve out a career somewhere on the Landry to Jason Avant scale of success.
9. George Pickens, Georgia – Late Round 3 (Solid Starter)
Spoiler!
Pickens has talent, but we just haven’t seen any growth since his freshman year. He’s a solid athlete with flashes of great ball skills. The physical and athletic traits are there to be a good X-receiver in the NFL, but he needs a lot of polish to his routes and releases. He’s pretty reminiscent of Devante Parker as a prospect.
8. Jahan Dotson, Penn State – Round 3 Grade (Solid Starter)
Spoiler!
My wife Brittany is a Penn State graduate and a diehard fan of the Nittany Lions. So I saw more of Dotson over his career than probably any other receiver on the list. He’s an awesome college player who I think will struggle to find the same level of success in the NFL. Simply put, there aren’t a lot of 178-pound outside receivers in the NFL. And the ones who succeed there typically have more juice out of the blocks than Dotson.
That doesn’t mean he can’t help a team, however. Dotson has a lot of great traits to be a slot receiver, including the smarts to read coverages and the toughness to make plays over the middle of the field. He’s exceptionally sure-handed, with just two drops on 138 targets last year! Dotson has enough athleticism and wiggle to be ok after the catch, even though he won’t break many tackles. He’ll compete in the air too, with awesome ball skills and tracking ability.
The problem with Dotson is that it’s painfully obvious on his tape that things change when he faces press man coverage. Michigan was physical with him at the line of scrimmage, and it impacted his performance. Dotson is tough, but just slight and not explosive enough to consistently evade jams. Cornerbacks who were physical with him throughout the route presented much more significant challenges than zone coverage looks. Dotson is likely a slot-only in the NFL, but in the right offense he could be awesome in that role (Patriots?).
7. Christian Watson, North Dakota State – Round 3 Grade (Solid Starter)
Spoiler!
I don’t really need to write that much about Watson. If you’ve followed the draft at all, you likely know who he is as a prospect. Following Combine testing, Watson is now one of the most athletic wide receiver prospects in draft history. And he stands 6-4, 208 pounds of muscle too. Oh, and he tore up the Senior Bowl, putting a mile between him and the next best receiver there.
So why isn’t he a Round 1 lock? Well, because Watson hails from run-heavy North Dakota State, where he simply ran past opposing corners to get open. And Watson got open a lot, averaging over 20 yards per catch with the Bison. In fact, Watson had 59 plays of 20 yards or more in his college career! Considering he had just 164 touches, that’s absolutely nuts.
The question is, what happens with Watson in the NFL? He dropped too many passes in college, and isn’t as consistent as you’d like in contested spots. He only ran a couple routes at North Dakota State, so he’s underdeveloped there too. There are definitely some red flags with Watson on tape, when he just simply out-athleted everyone else on the field.
But his flashes of ability at the Senior Bowl have me excited about his potential. Watson has an incredible combination of size, length and athletic ability. Yes, there is room for Watson to get better. But by all accounts he is teachable, tough and works hard. His competitiveness as a blocker in college shows his physicality. In the draft, there are a few unknowns every year because of how the player was utilized in college. Watson is one I’m taking a chance on in 2022. His ceiling is the best receiver in the draft, but his floor is probably Mack Hollins. He’ll be a clear risk for NFL teams, but the payoff could be massive.
It’s pretty easy to like Moore’s tape. He separates from everyone, makes tough catches and bounces around like crazy after the catch. In fact, per PFF, Moore made 26 tacklers miss last season. That’s more than every other FBS receiver!
If there is a knock on Moore, it’s his size. However, a 5-10, 195-pound weigh-in at the Combine was a big win for him. And Moore’s hands are 10 1/4 inches – bigger than any other receiver in the draft. That shows up on his tape, as Moore catches everything thrown his way, including more than a few contested grabs. His ball skills are solid, and it’s rare to see him drop the football.
What’s most encouraging about Moore is that you don’t see him get pushed around very often. That’s important considering I don’t think he always plays quite to his 4.41 speed. Still, Moore wins vertically enough to be accounted for in that area of the field. And his ability to play inside and outside, as well as pick up manufactured touches and produce with them, should allow him to contribute in different ways. He’s a nice piece to an offense with 1-2 established options already.
I’m really surprised that Williams’ game hasn’t been picked apart a little more over the past few months. It’s like people saw that he’s absurdly fast and didn’t care about anything else. Yes, Williams has elite speed. It’s why I believe he’ll be a good starter in the NFL. But beyond his ability to make plays down the field, what else does he offer right now?
Williams has a long way to go to become a complete NFL receiver. His route-running is rudimentary, and physical press man coverage could be an issue in the NFL. Williams’ slight frame has room to bulk up, but coming off a torn ACL it will take some time. To be a premier vertical threat, more than just speed is required. You have to win at the line of scrimmage consistently and adjust to the ball down the field. That’s what separates Tyreek Hill and Desean Jackson from Will Fuller. Which receiver is Williams most likely to be in the NFL?
He has the speed, acceleration and size to be Jackson. But there’s a lot more to it. I think there’s a lot better chance that Williams ends up like Mike Wallace, who had several great years in the NFL. There have been flashes of strong catches outside his frame and even some good YAC plays. But right now, Williams’ success is primarily tied to Alabama’s scheme and his ability to run past people. In the NFL, he’ll need to diversify his skill set or perfect his best trick in order to reach the ceiling many project for him.
I’ve watched almost every game of London’s 2021 season. My opinion on him has elevated from early in draft season, when I was sure I’d be the lowest analyst on him. London’s college tape is good, but I have some questions about how he’ll win in the NFL. Jump ball receivers have rarely become quality No. 1 options in the league, and London has been considered a top 10-15 pick throughout the draft process. Rarely are receivers with his size and lack of speed top options for an NFL team’s passing attack in the NFL.
But what London lacks in speed and quickness, he does his best to make up for with terrific execution. Although his route tree could be more expansive, London is great at dropping his hips at the top of the route and exploding back to the ball. Technically, he’s a very clean receiver. He’s fantastic at playing the football in the air, he doesn’t give up his hands early and he finds space against zone coverage like a pro. All of those things will allow London to play early and often in the NFL.
So what’s the ceiling? I think people need to stop with the Mike Evans’ comparison. Evans had 10-15 pounds on London and was much faster. He ran by guys in college, and he’s done the same thing his entire pro career. London’s lack of speed will be an issue in the NFL. You can’t back-shoulder catch all game long against every corner at the pro level.
Still, London’s physicality and awareness make him hard to completely bet against. His game will need to be grimy at the next level, and I think he’ll embrace that. London’s ability to play as a power slot possession receiver could make him a fun mis-match option in the right offense. And he’s tough enough after the catch to wear a few different hats in the NFL too. London’s limitations will show up more in the NFL, but not to the point where he can’t help an offense with some good pieces around him.
3. Chris Olave, Ohio State – Early Round 2 Grade (Very Good Starter)
Spoiler!
Obviously Olave and Garrett Wilson are going to be compared as college teammates. But really, they are very different players. I think Wilson is more versatile and wins in more ways, so I have him a tiny bit higher. But if an NFL team needs an outside vertical threat in their offense, Olave is a great option. And he’s more polished than Jameson Williams, even if he isn’t as fast.
What you’re getting in Olave is pretty much a finished product. He’s capable of winning through the full route tree against most cornerbacks, but I don’t know if he’ll ever have the size and explosiveness to defeat top defenders in man coverage. When I watch Olave, I see a surefire contributor to a team’s passing game that will be at his best if he’s not the main focal point of the offense.
Simply put, there will be ways for defenses to take Olave out of the game. He’s not that physical, despite his refined technique. Olave is fast, but not a burner that will force a safety to cap him. And he’s a non-factor after the catch. Also, I’m not sure how often he’ll move inside in the NFL. Olave seems like mostly an outside receiver.
Because of his usage limitations, I doubt Olave will ever be a top threat in a high-quality NFL passing attack. But as a No. 2 or 3, he could thrive. Olave’s ability to win vertically, coupled with sure hands and excellent ball skills, will give him an obvious early role in the NFL. He may never be much more than that, but in the right situation he’ll have a good career.
2. Garrett Wilson, Ohio State – Early Round 2 Grade (Very Good Starter)
Spoiler!
I have questions about every receiver in this draft. I don’t view any 2022 pass catcher on the level of Ja’Marr Chase last year. But with Wilson, my questions are more about how high his ceiling can be. I think he’ll at least be a quality No. 2 receiver in the NFL. Will he be Stefon Diggs, as many have suggested? He’s definitely capable of it. The height of Wilson’s peak will almost certainly be determined by how willing he is to improve as a route runner. Right now, that’s his biggest question mark for the NFL.
Don’t get me wrong – Wilson has great separation ability. And when he runs a good route, that separation quickness is on full display. The problem is that his route timing and movement is still all over the place. He can take too long to get open, using a bevy of moves on a defender rather than being crisp and decisive. If Wilson’s cuts down on all the gyrations and extra jab steps, he could become a strong route runner rather quickly. The ability is already there.
But what puts Wilson on another level is his ability to make tough catches. He’s not just a finesse receiver, and you see that when he’s asked to block or win in a contested spot. There’s no question he has to get stronger, or at least savvier with his hands. But Wilson doesn’t mind playing in tight quarters when he has to. PFF has him with a 62 percent contested catch win rate last season. That’s an outstanding number.
Wilson is already good at almost everything, including being a threat after the catch. But he’s probably never going to become a physically dominant player in the NFL like Treylon Burks can be. So Wilson will need to perfect his craft as a route runner. All the tools are there for him to do so. I’ll bet on him succeeding in the NFL.
Burks’ Combine wasn’t great, but it was still ok, especially when you consider how big he is compared to a normal receiver. At 225 pounds, Burks is a rare build with rare explosiveness for the position. He dominated quality competition in the SEC as an inside and outside receiver. His 4.55 40 time may not have impressed at the Combine, but on tape he runs by good cornerbacks. His “flying 20” acceleration is eye-popping. And he catches everything.
Some have used D.K. Metcalf and Deebo Samuel as comparisons for Burks’ game. Those aren’t quite on the nose to me. A.J. Brown is a more likely comparison. Burks might not be quite as athletic as Brown, but stylistically they play very similarly. Both receivers were predominantly slots in college, and showed great instincts after the catch. They accelerate into space and pick up yards after contact.
Brown never really impressed in his limited reps outside in college, but has made a complete transition in the NFL. Burks only played outside in a handful of reps for Arkansas last year, but his tape there was unbelievable. He blew by press coverage at every opportunity, then made back shoulder or over the head catches downfield. I have very little concerns about his ability to play outside. He just gets it.
To me, Burks is the most instinctive receiver in the draft. Yes, he might never be an elite separator through the full route tree. But he makes contested catches at an incredible rate, and he consistently wins down the field. He has the best chance in the 2022 draft to become a true WR1.
staylor26
03-30-2022 11:06 AM
Burks #1? Interesting.
He’s a guy that’s going to be very tough to pass on if he falls to 29/30.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 11:07 AM
Burks is going to go a lot higher than we think.
staylor26
03-30-2022 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise
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Burks is going to go a lot higher than we think.
Then somebody has to fall.
Maybe it’s Olave.
Dante84
03-30-2022 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise
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Burks is going to go a lot higher than we think.
Yep, I'm pretty sad about it. I think he's going to go in the mid-teens when it's all said and done.
RunKC
03-30-2022 11:10 AM
George Pickens eval:
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The physical and athletic traits are there to be a good X-receiver in the NFL, but he needs a lot of polish to his routes and releases.
Boy where have we heard this before?
chiefforlife
03-30-2022 11:11 AM
If this guys ranking and draft position are correct, we could take DE/Burks in round 1 and DT/Jameson Williams in round 2!
Holy Shit! My two favorite WRs in the same draft? Plus D line!
MahomesMagic
03-30-2022 11:12 AM
Drake London too low.
Overall I think rankings look reasonable although I would switch Olave with Wilson.
I had Waddle/Chase as 1A/1B last year, both were fantastic prospects.
Had Jefferson over Ruggs.
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26
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Then somebody has to fall.
Maybe it’s Olave.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Sit tight and let the draft board develop. No need to trade up at all.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 11:16 AM
5. Jameson Williams, Alabama – Late Round 2 Grade (Good Starter)
Spoiler!
I’m really surprised that Williams’ game hasn’t been picked apart a little more over the past few months. It’s like people saw that he’s absurdly fast and didn’t care about anything else. Yes, Williams has elite speed. It’s why I believe he’ll be a good starter in the NFL. But beyond his ability to make plays down the field, what else does he offer right now?
Williams has a long way to go to become a complete NFL receiver. His route-running is rudimentary, and physical press man coverage could be an issue in the NFL. Williams’ slight frame has room to bulk up, but coming off a torn ACL it will take some time. To be a premier vertical threat, more than just speed is required. You have to win at the line of scrimmage consistently and adjust to the ball down the field. That’s what separates Tyreek Hill and Desean Jackson from Will Fuller. Which receiver is Williams most likely to be in the NFL?
He has the speed, acceleration and size to be Jackson. But there’s a lot more to it. I think there’s a lot better chance that Williams ends up like Mike Wallace, who had several great years in the NFL. There have been flashes of strong catches outside his frame and even some good YAC plays. But right now, Williams’ success is primarily tied to Alabama’s scheme and his ability to run past people. In the NFL, he’ll need to diversify his skill set or perfect his best trick in order to reach the ceiling many project for him.
Like I’ve said. People see speed and then ignore literally everything else with Williams.
MahomesMagic
03-30-2022 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise
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5. Jameson Williams, Alabama – Late Round 2 Grade (Good Starter)
Spoiler!
I’m really surprised that Williams’ game hasn’t been picked apart a little more over the past few months. It’s like people saw that he’s absurdly fast and didn’t care about anything else. Yes, Williams has elite speed. It’s why I believe he’ll be a good starter in the NFL. But beyond his ability to make plays down the field, what else does he offer right now?
Williams has a long way to go to become a complete NFL receiver. His route-running is rudimentary, and physical press man coverage could be an issue in the NFL. Williams’ slight frame has room to bulk up, but coming off a torn ACL it will take some time. To be a premier vertical threat, more than just speed is required. You have to win at the line of scrimmage consistently and adjust to the ball down the field. That’s what separates Tyreek Hill and Desean Jackson from Will Fuller. Which receiver is Williams most likely to be in the NFL?
He has the speed, acceleration and size to be Jackson. But there’s a lot more to it. I think there’s a lot better chance that Williams ends up like Mike Wallace, who had several great years in the NFL. There have been flashes of strong catches outside his frame and even some good YAC plays. But right now, Williams’ success is primarily tied to Alabama’s scheme and his ability to run past people. In the NFL, he’ll need to diversify his skill set or perfect his best trick in order to reach the ceiling many project for him.
Like I’ve said. People see speed and then ignore literally everything else with Williams.
Jameson is a more polished Mecole. So I would not be surprised if our scouts like him.
staylor26
03-30-2022 11:18 AM
I’d still take Williams at 29/30 with zero hesitation, but yea, no need to trade up to do it.
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:19 AM
Man I really like Burks.
And Watson too.
I'm not high on Pickens.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 11:20 AM
Give me Moore over Williams.
ToxSocks
03-30-2022 11:20 AM
The more i watch Burks, the less i think the Chiefs value him over some of these other guys.
MahomesMagic
03-30-2022 11:20 AM
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Man I really like Burks.
And Watson too.
I'm not high on Pickens.
With you on Burks. With you against Pickens.
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing
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The more i watch Burks, the less i think the Chiefs value him over some of these other guys.
Who do you think they value?
MahomesMagic
03-30-2022 11:23 AM
I see a lot of people wanting Burks in a Shanahan or McVay offense.
But you got to believe Andy Reid could use him too. Draw up plays and get him the ball.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 11:23 AM
And I agree with his write up about Watson. Dude has a huge ceiling but that floor is tough to overlook.
Dante84
03-30-2022 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife
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If this guys ranking and draft position are correct, we could take DE/Burks in round 1 and DT/Jameson Williams in round 2!
Holy Shit! My two favorite WRs in the same draft? Plus D line!
He calls out that the draft position aligns with his value/grade, not where they’ll get drafted.
I think both JW and TB are gone before #29
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic
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I see a lot of people wanting Burks in a Shanahan or McVay offense.
But you got to believe Andy Reid could use him too. Draw up plays and get him the ball.
Shanahan's offense is pretty different from Andy's but they both come from the same base tree.
ToxSocks
03-30-2022 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
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Who do you think they value?
Williams, Olave, Watson. Pickens even.
They seem more prototypical to what the Chiefs traditionally look for.
Which of course means they'll draft a guy in the 3rd that fits a similar mold.
staylor26
03-30-2022 11:28 AM
I’ve really warmed up to Bo Melton with our first 4th to go along with somebody like Metchie at 62.
I don’t think they have to go WR in the 1st, but if they don’t, I really want them to hedge their bets and draft 2.
Honestly, I think they should draft 2 either way.
ToxSocks
03-30-2022 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise
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And I agree with his write up about Watson. Dude has a huge ceiling but that floor is tough to overlook.
It seems the biggest complaint is his level of competition and production. To me, that don't mean a whole lot.
MY biggest complaint is that he's not really great at contested catches for a guy his size.
You'd like to see stronger hands, stronger ability at the point of contact.
I think his floor is a bigger Will Fuller. His Ceiling? Idk, Mike Evans maybe?
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing
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Williams, Olave, Watson. Pickens even.
They seem more prototypical to what the Chiefs traditionally look for.
Which of course means they'll draft a guy in the 3rd that fits a similar mold.
So you don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st at all? I could totally see that.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing
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It seems the biggest complaint is his level of competition and production. To me, that don't mean a whole lot.
MY biggest complaint is that he's not really great at contested catches for a guy his size.
You'd like to see stronger hands, stronger ability at the point of contact.
I think his floor is a bigger Will Fuller. His Ceiling? Idk, Mike Evans maybe?
His write up talks about his lack of actual route running and the fact that he just athleted people in college as his knocks.
ToxSocks
03-30-2022 11:32 AM
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So you don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st at all? I could totally see that.
My personal belief, as of today, is that they'll trade a 1st for a rookie contract WR.
If they don't trade, no, i don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st. Though i'd like to see them take a Christian Watson if he's available when they pick.
ToxSocks
03-30-2022 11:35 AM
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His write up talks about his lack of actual route running and the fact that he just athleted people in college as his knocks.
That doesn't worry me at all. I can see that he has the physical ability to be a great route runner. His feet are quick, his body is fluid. He's unusually twitchy for a guy that big. And his body mass is lean and sculpted.
His 1v1's at the senior bowl pretty much sold me. Did you see his release on those slants? Oooof.
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing
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My personal belief, as of today, is that they'll trade a 1st for a rookie contract WR.
If they don't trade, no, i don't think they'll take a WR in the 1st. Though i'd like to see them take a Christian Watson if he's available when they pick.
I could be on board with all of this...
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing
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That doesn't worry me at all. I can see that he has the physical ability to be a great route runner. His feet are quick, his body is fluid. He's unusually twitchy for a guy that big. And his body mass is lean and sculpted.
His 1v1's at the senior bowl pretty much sold me. Did you his release on those slants? Oooof.
Mahomes to Watson? :drool:
RunKC
03-30-2022 11:54 AM
This is why I think it’s the smart money on trading up a bit ahead of NE, GB and Buffalo for one of the top 5. One of those guys should be there at 20 or 21.
Probably a 3rd, 4th and additional 2023 4th gets a trade with the Steelers for 20.
WR is deep at the top unlike DE and DB that is deep with depth
htismaqe
03-30-2022 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC
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This is why I think it’s the smart money on trading up a bit ahead of NE, GB and Buffalo for one of the top 5. One of those guys should be there at 20 or 21.
Probably a 3rd, 4th and additional 2023 4th gets a trade with the Steelers for 20.
WR is deep at the top unlike DE and DB that is deep with depth
The WR class is shallow at the top. NONE of these guys would have been a top pick in last year's draft. They all have warts. It's really deep at the end of the 1st, top of the 2nd.
There's zero reason to trade up.
RunKC
03-30-2022 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
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The WR class is shallow at the top. NONE of these guys would have been a top pick in last year's draft. They all have warts. It's really deep at the end of the 1st, top of the 2nd.
There's zero reason to trade up.
That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.
And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.
Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow
The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.
TambaBerry
03-30-2022 12:06 PM
No way am I trading up for any wr. If I'm trading up it's for an edge.
htismaqe
03-30-2022 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC
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That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.
And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.
Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow
The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.
Then take a WR in the 2nd. Because the separation between guys like Olave and guys like Watson isn't worth what it will take to trade up.
The answer to trading up is a definitive "no".
The Franchise
03-30-2022 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 16224312)
That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.
And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.
Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow
The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.
There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.
htismaqe
03-30-2022 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224330)
There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.
Exactly.
RunKC
03-30-2022 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224330)
There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.
Agree 100%. IMO the best fit is one of the guys in the top 5.
You’ve got Juju, Hardman and MVP who are good complimentary players. They aren’t “the guy”. No we can’t replace Tyreek but you can get someone really good from that top 5.
I still believe Jameson Williams would kill it in this offense. He’s so ****ing good
The Franchise
03-30-2022 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 16224337)
Agree 100%. IMO the best fit is one of the guys in the top 5.
You’ve got Juju, Hardman and MVP who are good complimentary players. They aren’t “the guy”. No we can’t replace Tyreek but you can get someone really good from that top 5.
I still believe Jameson Williams would kill it in this offense. He’s so ****ing good
Why couldn’t he beat out Wilson or Olave?
htismaqe
03-30-2022 12:27 PM
I'll be honest.
This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.
I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.
Just being honest.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.
This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.
I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.
Just being honest.
Yep.
All of a sudden he's now a can't miss prospect. And it doesn't help that the media puts out these mock drafts with trade ups where we surrender all of this value to take him because "THE CHIEFS LOVE SPEED!".
RunKC
03-30-2022 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.
This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.
I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.
Just being honest.
There’s a big drop off after the first 5 IMO.
At DB it’s really deep. I really like the 2nd rd options at S and corner. DE has some really great depth.
Sam Williams, Arnold Ebiketie, Drake Jackson, Kingsley Enagbare.
I don’t see that from the WR group tbh
The Franchise
03-30-2022 12:34 PM
And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.
Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?
duncan_idaho
03-30-2022 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224345)
Why couldn’t he beat out Wilson or Olave?
Wilson and Olave both got there the year before him and established themselves during his freshman season.
Williams was at least a part-time starter, as I recall, as a freshman. He had moments as a sophomore.
If I remember the timeline correctly, he transferred after Wilson and Olave announced they were coming back for another year.
It wasn't so much he couldn't beat them out, more that he was looking for a place where he would have fewer mouths to share with.
RunKC
03-30-2022 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224363)
And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.
Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?
Go check out Skyy Moore. Very good route runner, huge hands, good straight line speed. Looks pro ready. I like him but wouldn’t take him until 50
The Franchise
03-30-2022 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho
(Post 16224366)
Wilson and Olave both got there the year before him and established themselves during his freshman season.
Williams was at least a part-time starter, as I recall, as a freshman. He had moments as a sophomore.
If I remember the timeline correctly, he transferred after Wilson and Olave announced they were coming back for another year.
It wasn't so much he couldn't beat them out, more that he was looking for a place where he would have fewer mouths to share with.
Wilson was 2019....same as Williams. Olave was there in 2018.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 16224370)
Go check out Skyy Moore. Very good route runner, huge hands, good straight line speed. Looks pro ready. I like him but wouldn’t take him until 50
And that's fine. There should be good WRs at 50 that would instantly help this football team.
Trading up for Williams because "SPEED" isn't where it's at.
Titty Meat
03-30-2022 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16224176)
Exactly what I was thinking.
Sit tight and let the draft board develop. No need to trade up at all.
If Olave slides me sitting isn't going to be the only thing that's tight
BossChief
03-30-2022 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 16224215)
I’ve really warmed up to Bo Melton with our first 4th to go along with somebody like Metchie at 62.
I don’t think they have to go WR in the 1st, but if they don’t, I really want them to hedge their bets and draft 2.
Honestly, I think they should draft 2 either way.
They need multiples at WR, CB and DE, if we’re looking at this in a 2 year window.
With the cost of WRs and pass rushers skyrocketing, it’s smart to utilize this draft to help the cap by possibly even overdraft if those positions.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 12:54 PM
For all the talk about Juju being on a one year deal.....
If he hits it off with Pat, then I could see them bringing him back.
BossChief
03-30-2022 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.
This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.
I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.
Just being honest.
agreed
I’d rather get raped with a toilet brush than hear more about him till after we possibly draft him.
And I’m a guy that would love to have him in KC.
BossChief
03-30-2022 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224393)
For all the talk about Juju being on a one year deal.....
If he hits it off with Pat, then I could see them bringing him back.
It’s a double edged sword though. If he does well, he will need a big shiny new contract. And you know what above average WRs are getting these days.
staylor26
03-30-2022 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224393)
For all the talk about Juju being on a one year deal.....
If he hits it off with Pat, then I could see them bringing him back.
Yea, I think part of the appeal there is that with his age, he’s worth giving a 2nd contract if it works out.
RunKC
03-30-2022 12:59 PM
Tyquan Thornton is very intriguing. He’s not just a vertical threat. He can read zone coverage and use space in the middle of the field. Need that.
His really thin build and tiny hands are worrisome though
MahomesMagic
03-30-2022 01:03 PM
If I had to create a top 3 I would have it as
London
Burks
Olave
The Franchise
03-30-2022 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief
(Post 16224402)
It’s a double edged sword though. If he does well, he will need a big shiny new contract. And you know what above average WRs are getting these days.
I don't think Juju is taking more than $20 million a season.....even if he lights it up this year. He isn't Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill.
BossChief
03-30-2022 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224412)
I don't think Juju is taking more than $20 million a season.....even if he lights it up this year. He isn't Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill.
See that’s the thing.
If he balls out and gets 900-1100 yards and 8tds or something h…I’m not wanting us to give out a Christian Kirk type deal like that.
I’d rather overdraft WR by taking 3 of them and see what happens.
BossChief
03-30-2022 01:12 PM
Also, what he’s saying about London is spot on. I’d love to have him at 50 or 62, but I probably don’t take him at 29 or 30 if he’s on the board.
duncan_idaho
03-30-2022 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224371)
Wilson was 2019....same as Williams. Olave was there in 2018.
I was thinking Wilson had redshirted a year. Maybe he was an early enrollee and that tripped me up.
I think they're fairly equally talented, especially at the college level. Wilson went to a huge high school in Texas and was probably a little more game ready as true freshmen than Williams.
Then COVID happened. And then Olave announced he was coming back.
O.city
03-30-2022 01:54 PM
Garrett Wilson is gonna be the best of this class.
O.city
03-30-2022 02:04 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hard to rank WRs in class because success will largely be tied to role & system. Every team is looking for a different prototype. Generally speaking, the contested catch or big slot types feel like reaches in Rd1. If taking a WR Day 1, needs to be a burner or elite route runner.</p>— Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1509258696752353289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
htismaqe
03-30-2022 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief
(Post 16224428)
See that’s the thing.
If he balls out and gets 900-1100 yards and 8tds or something h…I’m not wanting us to give out a Christian Kirk type deal like that.
I’d rather overdraft WR by taking 3 of them and see what happens.
Just saw an article about free agent/traded WR's and their projected stats.
They had Juju at 1100 yards and 10 TD's.
TwistedChief
03-30-2022 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224363)
And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.
Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?
No, but we'd have better WR2 and WR3 beside him and our WR1 would be a lot cheaper.
Separately, Chris Simms rankings:
1. Williams
2. Watson
3. Pierce (!)
4. Burks
5. London
The Franchise
03-30-2022 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedChief
(Post 16224577)
No, but we'd have better WR2 and WR3 beside him and our WR1 would be a lot cheaper.
Separately, Chris Simms rankings:
1. Williams
2. Watson
3. Pierce (!)
4. Burks
5. London
Sure but we technically have a deep threat right now in MVS. I'm not trading up to grab another deep threat. Especially a dude coming off an ACL injury that's 180 lbs.
And I'd love Pierce at 50 if we could pull it off.
htismaqe
03-30-2022 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 16224585)
Sure but we technically have a deep threat right now in MVS. I'm not trading up to grab another deep threat. Especially a dude coming off an ACL injury that's 180 lbs.
And I'd love Pierce at 50 if we could pull it off.
That's my issue.
He has warts just like every other WR in this draft.
But when you add in the ACL and the fact that it will likely require a trade up, I just can't see how people think that's a super idea.
I mean I get that some people just love a player but that doesn't mean trading up for him is a good idea, it's just a way to satisfy the crush.
The Franchise
03-30-2022 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16224594)
That's my issue.
He has warts just like every other WR in this draft.
But when you add in the ACL and the fact that it will likely require a trade up, I just can't see how people think that's a super idea.
I mean I get that some people just love a player but that doesn't mean trading up for him is a good idea, it's just a way to satisfy the crush.
I'd love to draft Jermaine Johnson.
I'm also not willing to sell our entire draft to go draft him.
MahomesMagic
03-30-2022 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedChief
(Post 16224577)
No, but we'd have better WR2 and WR3 beside him and our WR1 would be a lot cheaper.
Separately, Chris Simms rankings:
1. Williams
2. Watson
3. Pierce (!)
4. Burks
5. London
I watched his rankings video. At least he owned up to putting JAGami Brown over Waddle.
;)
Couch-Potato
03-30-2022 03:43 PM
I'm high on Williams, Burks, Watson, & Moore... glad he seems to be as well.
Really excited to hear the next 6 WRs he profiles as well!
Couch-Potato
03-30-2022 03:47 PM
I think the draft typically averages 5 RD 1 WRs?
I see Wilson, Olave, and London going as the top 3 putting Williams within reach of trade and our choice of Burks, Moore, or Watson if we stand still at #29 & #30.
kcbubb
03-30-2022 04:04 PM
Hmm… Watson at senior bowl. I like Watson more after seeing this. He’s got a lot of work to do but the talent is undeniable. No way a guy like Pickens can do this. And his long arms are a real asset in the press man.
Jameson Williams says he will be “fully cleared by training camp.”
Chris Meck
03-30-2022 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato
(Post 16224720)
I think the draft typically averages 5 RD 1 WRs?
I see Wilson, Olave, and London going as the top 3 putting Williams within reach of trade and our choice of Burks, Moore, or Watson if we stand still at #29 & #30.
Man, if it went that way, I'd take Burks AND Watson and get on with my life. Then I'd take Cam Thomas and Sam Williams in the second and go win some Super Bowls.
I doubt it, though.
kcbubb
03-30-2022 08:16 PM
That’s probably a bad idea but it’s sexy! Lol…
Couch-Potato
03-31-2022 05:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck
(Post 16225056)
Man, if it went that way, I'd take Burks AND Watson and get on with my life. Then I'd take Cam Thomas and Sam Williams in the second and go win some Super Bowls.
I doubt it, though.
I don't hate it at all.
1st - #29 WR Burk
1st - #30 WR Watson
2nd - #50 DE Thomas
2nd - #62 DE Williams
3rd - #94 LB Walker
3rd - #103 OT Diesch
4th - #125 DT Uwazurike
4th - #135 S Cross
Sign CB Gilmore 2-yr Contract
Chris Meck
03-31-2022 05:59 AM
I was just saying the other day in another thread that Burks looked like AJ Brown to me.
Jameson Williams says he will be “fully cleared by training camp.”
Then we have no shot at him. He'll go in the top 15.
Chris Meck
03-31-2022 06:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16225355)
Then we have no shot at him. He'll go in the top 15.
Good.
htismaqe
03-31-2022 06:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck
(Post 16225357)
Good.
Yep.
We're not giving up basically what we gave up to get Mahomes for Williams. The dream is over. Thankfully.
Chris Meck
03-31-2022 06:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16225358)
Yep.
We're not giving up basically what we gave up to get Mahomes for Williams. The dream is over. Thankfully.
It would've been a huge mistake.
The first two rounds are shaping up to be able to remake our defensive line and WR room in one fell swoop, and passing that up to take one guy would go against everything we've done this offseason.
htismaqe
03-31-2022 06:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck
(Post 16225361)
It would've been a huge mistake.
The first two rounds are shaping up to be able to remake our defensive line and WR room in one fell swoop, and passing that up to take one guy would go against everything we've done this offseason.
Yep.
I said it yesterday - it's not only counterproductive, it's counterintuitive.