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Dante84 04-30-2022 04:32 PM

*****The Isaih Pacheco Thread*****
 
More to come!

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Sofa King 04-30-2022 04:33 PM

First!

KCUnited 04-30-2022 04:34 PM

OH **** YES!

staylor26 04-30-2022 04:34 PM

4.37 40 for a 200lb+ RB

smithandrew051 04-30-2022 04:34 PM

I like that one! Burner!

BigCatDaddy 04-30-2022 04:35 PM

McKinnon's replacement

TribalElder 04-30-2022 04:35 PM

nice

carcosa 04-30-2022 04:35 PM

BURNT PEACH DA GAWD

chiefforlife 04-30-2022 04:35 PM

Most likely a replacement for McKinnon.

Great Pick!

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 04-30-2022 04:35 PM

He will replace CEH! This guy is a stud!

kccrow 04-30-2022 04:36 PM

Someone was screaming for this kid in the draft forum, it just slips me who. Congrats!

ThyKingdomCome15 04-30-2022 04:37 PM

I really liked Kenneth Walker and this guy's game speed is faster. Fascinating pick to say the least. Dude isn't small either, listed weight 216. Veach really did his homework here.

Tribal Warfare 04-30-2022 04:38 PM

Just watch he's going to shred on the second team, and bounces CEH then becomes the starter by mid-season

Bump 04-30-2022 04:39 PM

was kinda hoping that they would draft a RB in the 7th or another WR and just hope they can make the team and if they get on the field then awesome

TEX 04-30-2022 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16275953)
Someone was screaming for this kid in the draft forum, it just slips me who. Congrats!

It was me. I had him on my late round wish list.

Iconic 04-30-2022 04:39 PM

Veach about to go down as a HOF GM on god

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 04:39 PM

Arguably the fastest back in the draft and did it at about 215 LBs.

Vision isn’t great, not really a pass catcher, isn’t as agile as he is fast (don’t understand the Sproles comp at all).

I mean if you figure he’s a Knile Davis clone, you’re not far off. And in the 7th that’s just fine.

KChiefs1 04-30-2022 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16275966)
It was me. I had him on my late round wish list.


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louie aguiar 04-30-2022 04:39 PM

Possible kick returner?

Coach 04-30-2022 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16275969)
Arguably the fastest back in the draft and did it at about 215 LBs.

Vision isn’t great, not really a pass catcher, isn’t as agile as he is fast (don’t understand the Sproles comp at all).

I mean if you figure he’s a Knile Davis clone, you’re not far off. And in the 7th that’s just fine.

Perhaps he would be an ideal KO/PR/Special Teamer type of a dude?

ChiefsCountry 04-30-2022 04:41 PM

First pick that wasn't on PFF's top 250.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 04-30-2022 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16275969)
Arguably the fastest back in the draft and did it at about 215 LBs.

Vision isn’t great, not really a pass catcher, isn’t as agile as he is fast (don’t understand the Sproles comp at all).

I mean if you figure he’s a Knile Davis clone, you’re not far off. And in the 7th that’s just fine.

Still better vision than Clyde

ThyKingdomCome15 04-30-2022 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16275966)
It was me. I had him on my late round wish list.

Very nice, congrats. :thumb:

ThyKingdomCome15 04-30-2022 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16275973)
First pick that wasn't on PFF's top 250.

I don't know why either. This kid slipped under everybody's radar.

KC Hawks 04-30-2022 04:43 PM

I freaking knew it!

RunKC 04-30-2022 04:43 PM

Excellent speed, solid balance, big body, looks solid catching the ball.

I like it

crispystl 04-30-2022 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16275974)
Still better vision than Clyde

Well...Stevie Wonder has better vision than Clyde so that's not saying much really.

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 16275971)
Possible kick returner?

Yup.

Again - a VERY Knile Davis sort of player.

Give him a clear seam and the ability to hit it in stride and he’ll blast through there and maybe knock the first guy he sees down in the process.

But I don’t see him picking his way down the line and making a controlled cut after he sets his blockers up or something like that. Good runner when his shoulders are square and can punish guys that aren’t ready for his speed at that size, but I don’t see a 3-down back or even a primary 1st/2nd down guy in this system.

Sofa King 04-30-2022 04:44 PM

3.9 ypc in college isn't good though. 1.9 per catch? Yeesh.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Pacheco averaged just 3.9 yards per carry and 1.9 yards per catch last year, but he has outstanding top-end speed. He runs with great effort and has average contact balance. He's a hands catcher, and he flashes as a route runner. -- Steve Muench

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16275973)
First pick that wasn't on PFF's top 250.

Not surprising. For a big fast guy in a soft conference, his production is pretty wanting. And he wasn’t actually the HR hitter his size and the stopwatch says he should be.

And again - I’m not shitting on the pick. We took Davis in the 3rd round right? Getting a guy that’s damn near a clone of him in the 7th is solid.

But this is a strictly measurables play. He wasn’t anywhere close to as productive as the highlight real and stopwatch/scale says he should’ve been. So PFF isn’t gonna like him.

kccrow 04-30-2022 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16275992)
Not surprising. For a big fast guy in a soft conference, his production is pretty wanting. And he wasn’t actually the HR hitter his size and the stopwatch says he should be.

And again - I’m not shitting on the pick. We took Davis in the 3rd round right? Getting a guy that’s damn near a clone of him in the 7th is solid.

But this is a strictly measurables play. He wasn’t anywhere close to as productive as the highlight real and stopwatch/scale says he should’ve been. So PFF isn’t gonna like him.

Soft conference... ROFL

Cut him off bartender.

Sassy Squatch 04-30-2022 04:50 PM

All aboard the Pacheco Express

Iconic 04-30-2022 04:50 PM

I'm just glad we got speed in a RB room that desperately needed it.

louie aguiar 04-30-2022 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 16275984)
3.9 ypc in college isn't good though. 1.9 per catch? Yeesh.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Pacheco averaged just 3.9 yards per carry and 1.9 yards per catch last year, but he has outstanding top-end speed. He runs with great effort and has average contact balance. He's a hands catcher, and he flashes as a route runner. -- Steve Muench

Yeah, very light on production. He was drafted for his measurables.

RealSNR 04-30-2022 04:50 PM

I remember when Darwin Thompson was going to start and set the league on fire his rookie year.

I think some people are going to get googly eyes for this guy too, and will probably end up disappointed

RunKC 04-30-2022 04:51 PM

Just saw this man ran 24 mph in a game at 215 lbs

Goddamn

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 16275984)
3.9 ypc in college isn't good though. 1.9 per catch? Yeesh.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Pacheco averaged just 3.9 yards per carry and 1.9 yards per catch last year, but he has outstanding top-end speed. He runs with great effort and has average contact balance. He's a hands catcher, and he flashes as a route runner. -- Steve Muench

For what it’s worth, his backups were worse. The Rutgers offense was ass (shocker - Greg Schiano gonna Greg Schiano).

He was much more efficient his previous seasons.

Sassy Squatch 04-30-2022 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16276007)
I remember when Darwin Thompson was going to start and set the league on fire his rookie year.

I think some people are going to get googly eyes for this guy too, and will probably end up disappointed

Unless this guy is legit reeruned at football like Darwin award I think he'll manage to do at least something worthwhile.

staylor26 04-30-2022 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16276007)
I remember when Darwin Thompson was going to start and set the league on fire his rookie year.

I think some people are going to get googly eyes for this guy too, and will probably end up disappointed

Chances are you’re right.

But it’s about as exciting as a 7th round pick gets.

And Veach told us he loved the late round RBs, so he probably really likes this guy.

duncan_idaho 04-30-2022 04:52 PM

I think I first saw Tex say something about him in the draft forum. Thought it was a nice late pairing.

Reminds me of Damian Williams. Not really more than a one-cut guy, but when he does cut he has the speed to take it the distance.

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16275996)
Soft conference... ROFL

Cut him off bartender.

The Big 10 could win every non-con and bowl matchup it plays and I wouldn’t acknowledge them as decent. Just the way it is.

I hate the Big 10 more than the AFC East.

Chris Meck 04-30-2022 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16275982)
Yup.

Again - a VERY Knile Davis sort of player.

Give him a clear seam and the ability to hit it in stride and he’ll blast through there and maybe knock the first guy he sees down in the process.

But I don’t see him picking his way down the line and making a controlled cut after he sets his blockers up or something like that. Good runner when his shoulders are square and can punish guys that aren’t ready for his speed at that size, but I don’t see a 3-down back or even a primary 1st/2nd down guy in this system.

I admittedly know little about this kid.

but watching the first highlight video Dante posted above, you can literally watch him do exactly that. You can also watch him catch passes, juke a guy out of his shoes, and run for 6-and you can watch him do it more than once.

Now, will that translate to the NFL? Who knows. You can only play the guys in front of you. But at 215 lbs. with 4.37 speed?

Remember that Veach said there would be starting RB's in the 7th round. I don't think he takes one if he sees Knile Davis.

Just saying.

Bowser 04-30-2022 04:55 PM

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O.city 04-30-2022 04:55 PM

It’s a 7th round pick

Likely he never does anything so start from thetr and if you get anything it’s a bonus

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 16276003)
I'm just glad we got speed in a RB room that desperately needed it.

I hope he can grab that RB3 spot.

Because yeah, I wanted nothing but speed from any RB we added in this draft. We needed it so badly. And if we insist on running inside zone, this guy CAN do some damage. Especially if teams went to stay in 2-high looks.

Best22 04-30-2022 04:57 PM

Rutgers is generally a pretty bad team

He was playing on an outmanned team going against better opponents in the big ten

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-30-2022 04:59 PM

Looks like a pick that will never leave the PS. Should have taken a fatty.

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16276029)
I admittedly know little about this kid.

but watching the first highlight video Dante posted above, you can literally watch him do exactly that. You can also watch him catch passes, juke a guy out of his shoes, and run for 6-and you can watch him do it more than once.

Now, will that translate to the NFL? Who knows. You can only play the guys in front of you. But at 215 lbs. with 4.37 speed?

Remember that Veach said there would be starting RB's in the 7th round. I don't think he takes one if he sees Knile Davis.

Just saying.

I just don’t see Davis as a pejorative. He had some big moments and there was talent there. It just didn’t develop any. The vision never really came around and the system got away from what he’d be good at.

Worse talents than Davis have had productive NFL careers.

You’re just gonna have a hard time convincing me that comparing a 7th round pick and like the 12th RB selected to anyone more impactful than Knile Davis before he’s signed his contract makes any sense.

Pretty good chance that Knile Davis has a BETTER career than this kid. And that’s still just fine. It’s the 7th round.

Iconic 04-30-2022 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 16276062)
Rutgers is generally a pretty bad team

He was playing on an outmanned team going against better opponents in the big ten

Also what I was thinking. How good could that OL really be and how much of his production is really on him? He looks like he has nice hands and is shifty on the highlight reel from what I can tell.

I could definitely see him making the team and that's already insane given he's a 7th rounder.

kccrow 04-30-2022 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16276022)
The Big 10 could win every non-con and bowl matchup it plays and I wouldn’t acknowledge them as decent. Just the way it is.

I hate the Big 10 more than the AFC East.

Hate or not, and the Big has its issues, soft is probably the absolute worst descriptor I could imagine.

CatfishBob2 04-30-2022 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16276029)
I admittedly know little about this kid.

but watching the first highlight video Dante posted above, you can literally watch him do exactly that. You can also watch him catch passes, juke a guy out of his shoes, and run for 6-and you can watch him do it more than once.

Now, will that translate to the NFL? Who knows. You can only play the guys in front of you. But at 215 lbs. with 4.37 speed?

Remember that Veach said there would be starting RB's in the 7th round. I don't think he takes one if he sees Knile Davis.

Just saying.

This guy looks like Kniles Davis. Speed isn't everything. We passed on RBs that are gonna a pick up yards in chunks. What good is 4.3 speed if it can't get out of the backfield. I'm not crapping on the pick though because there wasn't much better in the 7th

Frustrating that this team has invested virtually nothing into RB since getting lucky with Kareem Hunt, other than a CEH who is actually a mid round talent. I'm curious what other teams didn't draft an RB before the 7th

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16276074)
Hate or not, and the Big has its issues, soft is probably the absolute worst descriptor I could imagine.

I don’t mean it as a style of play. I meant it as a quality of competition.

I.E. not hard. Because **** the Big 10.

MVChiefFan 04-30-2022 05:07 PM

His numbers were pretty good his first three years. I’m hoping last year was just an anomaly.

threebag 04-30-2022 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16275951)
He will replace CEH! This guy is a stud!

We can only hope

PastorMikH 04-30-2022 05:16 PM

4.3 speed. I’m wondering if he isn’t being looked at as a WR project.

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 16276153)
4.3 speed. I’m wondering if he isn’t being looked at as a WR project.

He is not.

Dante84 04-30-2022 05:17 PM

Hell, at that speed/weight combo, might make a hell of an "Ace Gunner"

Titty Meat 04-30-2022 05:18 PM

Yeah this ain't it but its a 7th so who cares

Bowser 04-30-2022 05:20 PM

If he can win the returner gig, so much the better. That will allow Hardman to concentrate on WR2/3 and show if he's worthy of a new contract.

Red Dawg 04-30-2022 05:32 PM

This is a 3 down back.

DJ's left nut 04-30-2022 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16276214)
This is a 3 down back.

I presume you’re basing this conclusion on his 47 career catches in 43 games?

Look - maybe someday he can develop that skill, but there’s literally nothing to support this position at this point in time.

kozzman555 04-30-2022 05:37 PM

Is anyone else like super bothered by the way he runs? I mean his stride. It looks like he's just willing his legs to run faster than they can. Dude is fast, no doubt, but I wonder if maybe a running coach could help help out or something.

ThaVirus 04-30-2022 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16276009)
Just saw this man ran 24 mph in a game at 215 lbs

Goddamn


Is that legit? I think Tyreek's maxed out at 23 and he was the fastest NFL ball carrier since they started recording.

CatfishBob2 04-30-2022 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16276221)
I presume you’re basing this conclusion on his 47 career catches in 43 games?

Look - maybe someday he can develop that skill, but there’s literally nothing to support this position at this point in time.

Generally when you see it you know. Nothing looks special with this guy but his speed. He looks like a bottom of the depth chart back

notorious 04-30-2022 05:42 PM

Just give him a chance, damnit.

suzzer99 04-30-2022 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16275973)
First pick that wasn't on PFF's top 250.

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ChiefsFanatic 04-30-2022 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16276029)
I admittedly know little about this kid.



but watching the first highlight video Dante posted above, you can literally watch him do exactly that. You can also watch him catch passes, juke a guy out of his shoes, and run for 6-and you can watch him do it more than once.



Now, will that translate to the NFL? Who knows. You can only play the guys in front of you. But at 215 lbs. with 4.37 speed?



Remember that Veach said there would be starting RB's in the 7th round. I don't think he takes one if he sees Knile Davis.



Just saying.

He made some great moves against the defenses of Ohio State and Michigan. I do not get the Kniles Davis comparison at all.

Just watching the various highlights, I wonder how he was nearly Mr. Irrelevant.

I bet quite a few teams had his number ready to dial in order to offer an UDFA contract.

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suzzer99 04-30-2022 05:51 PM

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carcosa 04-30-2022 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16276255)
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Im hroney

ChiefsFanatic 04-30-2022 05:58 PM

After watching the video about his brother and sister, I really, really want him to succeed on this team.

FN bunch of dust and onions in this room.

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ThyKingdomCome15 04-30-2022 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16276068)
Looks like a pick that will never leave the PS. Should have taken a fatty.

It looks like a pick that sends Gore back to the PS to me.

Rainbarrel 04-30-2022 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16276255)
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CEH has a 12' power pole saw(splatter) and hogs, go for #2

scho63 04-30-2022 06:35 PM

Super great risk/reward pick.

Buehler445 04-30-2022 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16276046)
I hope he can grab that RB3 spot.

Because yeah, I wanted nothing but speed from any RB we added in this draft. We needed it so badly. And if we insist on running inside zone, this guy CAN do some damage. Especially if teams went to stay in 2-high looks.

I agree. I wanted to pick up SOMEONE with speed. I was thinking an undersized jittery guy but this is reasonable. I’d like better vision and pass catching skills but that dude isn’t in the 7th.

staylor26 04-30-2022 06:38 PM

DJ really has been pounding the table for a RB with elite speed and HR ability.

First person I thought of after this pick.

Sassy Squatch 04-30-2022 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzman555 (Post 16276225)
Is anyone else like super bothered by the way he runs? I mean his stride. It looks like he's just willing his legs to run faster than they can. Dude is fast, no doubt, but I wonder if maybe a running coach could help help out or something.

Not "bothered" per se, but yeah there's something that's a bit off with it. Like he's flailing his limbs.

lcarus 04-30-2022 07:38 PM

Yes. Drop 8 back now ya ****s

smithandrew051 04-30-2022 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16276356)
Not "bothered" per se, but yeah there's something that's a bit off with it. Like he's flailing his limbs.

Definitely looks like there’s some wasted movement in there.

Reminds me of how my toddler runs when he takes something he isn’t supposed to have.

smithandrew051 04-30-2022 07:59 PM

So how did this guy only average 3.9 YPC last year?

I don’t think I watched a single Rutgers game. Did he just play behind a bad line in a tough conference?

Looked like he had a nice game against Michigan though.

Titty Meat 04-30-2022 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16276467)
So how did this guy only average 3.9 YPC last year?

I don’t think I watched a single Rutgers game. Did he just play behind a bad line in a tough conference?

Looked like he had a nice game against Michigan though.

He's what you'd expect for a 7th rounder guys are putting alot of stock into that 40 time.


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